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Cops tortured miners over Malema - report

2012-09-09 10:34

Johannesburg - The police's crime intelligence unit allegedly tortured mineworkers to establish whether expelled ANC Youth League president Julius Malema incited them to violence at Lonmin's Marikana mine, it was reported on Sunday.

Colonel Nkosana "Killer" Ximba made the incitement claim to his superiors, reported City Press.

Asked about the alleged torture, he said: "Did you see me there? Go and do an investigation before talking such rubbish."

Ximba has been implicated in the death of Oupa Ramogibe, the love rival of suspended police crime intelligence boss Richard Mdluli. Charges have been withdrawn pending an inquest currently underway.

On August 16, police fired on striking miners, killing 34 and wounding 78. Another 270 were arrested.

The City Press report was based on information from two official sources, which claimed standard procedure was not followed when the miners were booked out of their cells.

It reported that the State Security Agency was asked to investigate the incitement claim, but could not verify it.

The torture claims echo complaints made by some 150 miners that they were beaten and tortured in custody.

Some detainees claimed officers took them from police cells to interrogation rooms where they were tortured.

The Independent Police Investigative Directorate told the newspaper it was probing allegations of police assaults at five police stations, but was not aware of the torture claim.

Comments
  • keith.f.murphy - 2012-09-09 10:42

    yes of course you idiots will now not be aware of torture

      henryian73 - 2012-09-09 11:03

      We in this crisis thanks to Malema who wanted to 'Kill for Zuma'. When the DA warned our nation to 'STOP ZUMA' Malema said we will kill for him and now. Our country have become the laughing stock of the world and all the top leadership in our nation only interested in their own back pockets and that includes Malema. Its not about the poor. They just being used for the power hungry and greedy lot stealing millions form us all. Where did all Malema's millions come from? In Limpopo you will find the answers. No school books for the poor but a few very wealthy leaders. And yet the millions follow blindly hoping he the hero to help them. If he was why did he pocket the miilions he did that was meant for the poor. Interesting times and yet the poor follow the corrupt like nothing.

      ingi.raikes - 2012-09-09 11:10

      ..........and what may l ask did the miners do to the 10 people; guards, policemen and the others that they tortured and murdered before the mine shooting? It's called having a selective memory! The miners should have their tails between their legs and should count themselves lucky that they weren't all shot dead. After all, why were they all carrying 'weapons' when they marched up the hill? It wasn't to sharpen their toothpicks, was it now??? The miners are bloody lucky that they have the World's sympathy because they are all hiding behind the truth now. If l was the police, l'd shoot them again, all sitting on the hill threatening peace again! Oh and by the way, if they don't want their present wages, that's fine....there are lots of other unemployed people who would love their jobs! They are not slaves, they can leave anytime they like!!!

      pierre.devilliers.9231 - 2012-09-09 11:47

      There are too many reports of tortue in the police force.

      tate.morele - 2012-09-12 12:59

      u are an idiot why are u interfering with our strugle

  • timothy.coetzee.56 - 2012-09-09 10:43

    Perhaps when the battle is over, all we will inherit will be the ashes of a once beautiful land.

  • wanda.mazwati - 2012-09-09 10:44

    thats wrong why shld they behave like dat

  • mkhindana.peter - 2012-09-09 10:53

    Now news24.Isn't there something new and interesting that you guys can write about and report about except Malema or Marikana?Its a new week,a new month and its Sunday...Geeezz. Write about the fluctuating weather or something.

      Econwald - 2012-09-09 11:51

      get a life if you don't want to read then don't, thanks to News24 for update, you can not always read what you like Grow up sir

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-09-09 14:12

      Mkindana.peter. So you want them to write lighter things. I thought News 24 also had an entertainment page. Go there and leave the concerend citizens to do their thing.

      John - 2012-09-09 20:09

      You are an ostrich with your head buried in the sand be careful of leaving your anus exposed. I thoroughly enjoy NEWS24. There are many sites for you to view if you don't like this one!

  • goyougoodthing - 2012-09-09 10:57

    The ends justify the means. Malema is trying to bring this country to its' knees and should be locked up. Any method to get him is welcomed.

  • johan.jacobs.5680 - 2012-09-09 11:00

    Yet another lie.

  • fort.horseman.7 - 2012-09-09 11:06

    God says 'Beware of oppression,it will create exessive darkness on the day of Judgement' and on the land it is committed.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-09-09 11:19

      Who or what is this god?

      fort.horseman.7 - 2012-09-09 11:27

      Unfortunately by the time you find out,itl b too late!

      fort.horseman.7 - 2012-09-09 11:30

      The God who created the heavens and the earth and everything in between.

      hudayfah.newman - 2012-09-09 12:15

      Ah! The flying spaghetti monster one again. I think you should try a new one now that one has had its days

      goyougoodthing - 2012-09-09 12:54

      The Caped Bunnyman... the spaghetti monster is as tired as Jesus, Moses and god

      fort.horseman.7 - 2012-09-10 18:49

      To those who thumbs down Gods Warnings,can i ask u how many thumbs downs on the planet earth would be able to prevent the sun from rising tomorrw morning??

  • fort.horseman.7 - 2012-09-09 11:13

    'The screen between the invocation of an oppressed person and God is none'

  • herbert.plessis - 2012-09-09 11:16

    I still want to know why so few were killed and wounded? From the amount of policemen at the scene having their R5's, and the amount of gunfire heard on the news, I expected a lot more death. how poor are these policemen trained? Did they shoot for the legs? Why? If you are attacked in this fashion you put two or three shots close to each other in the chest. I think only one R5 rifle was loaded with live ammo and the rest only had blanks. Has the ammo budget also been "lessened" by a corrupt supplier?

      cya.ngoma - 2012-09-09 11:37

      Herbert, the aim was not to kill those miners by the police but to defend themselves, that is why you saw on those videos some of the rounds being shot on the ground in front of the protesters

      mondli.botha - 2012-09-09 16:45

      Herbert you a complete demon n I see your father did a great job in cultivating inhumaness in ya sorry soul.

  • ntsunyane.frederick - 2012-09-09 11:22

    South Africa belong to all who live in it,black or white.The statement was issued in Kliptown by ANC.It has been proven that in SA we are able to solve our disputes through debates,negotiations.Talk about Codesa,info bill and e-tolling.Not through inciting violence.Let us own our country and stop Malema from pulling our country backward.We don'nt to be like Zimbabwe.Malema and Lamola are racists.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-09-09 14:19

      Ntunyama.frederick. At Kliptown they didn't forsee a South Africa where the corrupt introduce a new version of racial superiority. No one in government today adhere to the Kliptown declaration, if they did, they would all asked to be locked up tonight. Solving our problems through debates is a fools dream while a painting by a white man can cause havoc and the same kind of painting by a black man is met with silence. Malema and Lamola are fabrications of the new way of thinking in the ANC, they and only they are responsible and they and only they will have to wake up really soon or we are futher on the road to Zimbabwe than we would wish to be.

      max.reynecke - 2012-09-09 19:36

      Mondli, you must lay off that sh$t you smoke...it makes you sound so over pigmented.

      Johnson - 2012-09-10 06:36

      South Africa belongs to all when they want us to hear it - in fact whites are the least welcome here. If the cat get babies its blamed on whites.

  • luke.dekoker - 2012-09-09 11:22

    Why would the cops torture the miners? they know that idiot malema and his followers are guilty of this, why have they not arrested fat-boy yet? Surely they have enough against him to do so or ARE THEY SCARED of this idiot?..court judgements; SARS' socalled investigation!!; corruption deal/tenders, etc?

  • dnxumalo2 - 2012-09-09 11:22

    you wonder when this going to stop.

  • tshepo.maganedisa - 2012-09-09 11:25

    Its funny how some of the readers ahve the insight on this story, some say its true some say its a lie, how do we know for sure since none of us where there and with guys like Killer Ximba in power who said that is not possible? It could be true and yes it could be false but before we comment gather facts before and stop taking side and especially on matters that you know nothing of - all i am saying let the authorities investigate to prove the allegations whether are true or false and quite frankly dont think for a second you making sense by commenting things that you are unsure of because you will want to defend and you will expose your stupidity further *bored with some of the comments*

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-09-09 14:23

      Tshepo.manganedisa. I wasn't there, I didn't see and I am not going to base my opinion solely on what we are seeing on television and read in the papers. I am wary of manipulation because if you watch Sky news or Al Jazeera, you hear very different stories. Day before yesterday they showed on Sky how the police supposedly chased the miners into the koppies where they tried to hide and they were shot there. If that us true, that is murder in broad daylight. So who am I to judge?.

  • crracker.crackerr - 2012-09-09 11:26

    Preparing the groundwork for propaganda that the police are torturing Malema (and some close politcal/fraudster acquaintances) when he is arrested? Unfortunately the majority of South Africans will disbelieve the police and the state's denials. The ANC has allowed the groundwork to be laid. Easy for the new wave of propagandists to add just a tiny bit of their own fertiliser for maximum effect. Thanks ANC!

  • Michael - 2012-09-09 11:46

    Why is the media always blamming police? Some of us are happy that our police are alive, last week those miners threatened to kill management openly, but thats not news? WTF

      terrylee.heuer - 2012-09-09 13:20

      Yes and those were representatives of the miners!!! Shouldve been arrested on the spot just for saying that!!! Violent leaders cause violent followers

  • Econwald - 2012-09-09 11:53

    criminals are always tortured when the police want information, i was once a victim

      goyougoodthing - 2012-09-09 12:15

      And a criminal... so you deserve what you get

      Wally Walters - 2012-09-09 13:04

      they only doing their job

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-09-09 14:27

      Goyougoodthing. Many of the anti-apartheid activists where brutally tortured by white policemen who made it their business to extract the truth!!!! They were taught by ex members of Hitler's SS who found a save haven here after the war. Would you say these activists were criminals, or the police who so enjoyed doing the torturing?. Just asking since you seem to be an authority on who get what they deserve.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-09-09 14:46

      I think, Jacqui, you miss the point. These Hitler SS mean are dead now, the white men do not hold control. The police are run by people representative of the demographics of this country. The police need to interrogate these people to extract the truth. This has nothing to do with ancient wars which you can't seem to drop. Get over yourself

      John - 2012-09-09 19:59

      I know what you are saying but I would not say ALWAYS but GENERALLY tortured. There are a few good cops amongst the THUGS. I do not care what you did, your section 12 constitutional rights were violated by THUGS, this ASSAULT is WRONG! I hope that their families are subjected to their THUG behaviour so they can gain some understanding!

  • belnick - 2012-09-09 12:35

    I pity malema followers who go for his advice,they like lost sheep following troubled,GREEDY!corruptive shepherd who loves to ignite trouble for the innocent,and who loves being shown on tv.TWAT

  • crracker.crackerr - 2012-09-09 12:36

    @ Econwald Maybe you are talking the truth. But in the current propaganda atmosphere one should not believe a word unless there is substantive and reliable corroboration. So easy for example to just make that seedling of an allegation and leave it to germinate. Given the history of the unreliability and lying nature of the leaders in this country your commentary will no doubt fall on fertile ground. One again it should be pointed out that if the police have nothing to hide they would make arrangements for all contact and interviews with detainees to be videotaped. In fact, all contact by law enforcers should be videotaped. The current leaders should really think hard about it. Their turn to be subjected to police/law enforcement treatment may be a lot closer than they may imagine. It also goes for some politically apppointed/protected law enforcers. Change the law NOW! For the sake of this whole country.

      Econwald - 2012-09-09 18:44

      can't disagree with that thanks for your notion

      John - 2012-09-09 19:47

      You are so RIGHT , I couldn't agree more with you!

  • cya.ngoma - 2012-09-09 12:42

    We won't know even if this is the true because these miners have been telling lies. Firstly \It was a miner taken from the hospital

  • keith.f.murphy - 2012-09-09 12:56

    I just want to send a message to Day Titus who was question a short while ago on Aljazeera Tv.Dany please dont think we are all idiots , your answers to the Media on Aljazeera does not carry any weight and what do you mean we have to weight on investigationswhen the whole world saw on TV how the miners were gunned down.Whys suspend and charge those cops ?What investigation when the prove is there they killed to miners.Please Danny wake as I mentioned we r not all idiots how the hell can the Devil investigate his own father ?

  • keith.f.murphy - 2012-09-09 13:09

    Charge the cops for mass murder or the ones who gave the green light to shoot to kill miner worker, workers. shooting a man that surrender with his hand help up and then gun him down is brutal murder.And those changing the painting by spraying wants to hide the prove what the witness is confirming

      crracker.crackerr - 2012-09-09 16:46

      @ keith.f.murphy Try as you might, the facts are simple and etched into the minds of all straight thinking South Africans. The police reacted against a background of the the following: The miners used a muti-pratcitioner to prepare them for a violent confrontation with the police; The miners were armed and posed armed for photograhical shoots; The miners had killed 2 policemen, 2 security guards and 6 miners (of their own categories) prior to the direct confrontation with the police and the police knew of the miners' actions and the fact that they were armed; Among the many weapons found were the fire-arms of the killed policemen - they and the other 8 of the ten mentioned were apparantly set alight and tortured (in different permutations); The videos clearly show that the miners were the aggressors and we of courst know that the police knew of the miners' prior actions. Add the fact that the majority of those arrested WERE NOT EVEN EMPLOYEES OF THE MINE IN QUESTION. It was, to state it clearly and despite the mistrust many of us have in the police and their low level of competency and honesty, a direct attack on the state. It was a declaration of war. Unfortunately the weak-spined politicians of almost all the political parties in this country sides against the police - as did the lawyers who sit equally comfortably in their nice surroundings. BUT not one of them will go to the nest trouble spot and demonstrate how to resolve it. You lose, Murphy!

      John - 2012-09-09 19:42

      It would seem that the CONSTITUTION has no meaning to the commentors on this site. They may be ignorant so one has to ask them to read the CONSTITUTION! If they reject the CONSTITUTION then one can only conclude that they are STUPID!

  • Mohlomphehi Thabo - 2012-09-09 13:30

    striking miners this striking miners that....when will the media speak boldly that these miners are the murderers who hacked any moving object on their way to death?why cant it be boldly told that these miners were intending to shoot and hack more policemen to death?

      sam.molopyane.9 - 2012-09-09 15:23

      Unfortunately we don't see things the same r maybe we watching different news channels the minires were prepared that if dialogues collapse they will kill who ever stands in their way. You must remember that earlier in that week some had killed strike breakers. I'm not sure why people idealize this miners. That's not how u strike. Unfortunately in this country we have so called leaders who will use this to score some point

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-09-09 14:09

    Just another day in this place called South Africa, where everything is screwed up good and proper.

  • amelda.davies - 2012-09-09 15:49

    It was Malema. Him and his nationalization of mines! Does this creature have parents? His not too old to get a slap or two! You young twit! Go catch a bus in the road somewhere! Leave politics to adults. You and your stupid sidekick.

  • Harold Chisimba - 2012-09-09 17:24

    So they wanted five-star hotel treatment in police custody?

      John - 2012-09-09 19:28

      THEY simply wanted their rights under the CONSTITUTION which I suggest that you read.

  • John - 2012-09-09 19:25

    A bunch of thug SAPS told me \f..k the CONSTITUTION, we have our own constitution!\ WE need to look at section 12 (1) Everyone has the right: (c) to be free of all forms of violence

  • John - 2012-09-09 20:20

    KILLER Ximba, another thug who has lost sight of the CONSTITUTION , if he was literate enough to even read it, never mind comprehend it!

  • paulus.berendt - 2012-09-10 13:42

    you can hate GOD but He will LOVE you even if you do want to acknowledge

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