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Corrie could have been saved - family

2012-09-24 17:47

Johannesburg - Ex-world heavyweight champion Corrie Sanders' family believes his life could have been saved had he received urgent medical attention, the SABC reported on Monday.

Sanders died in the Kalafong Hospital in Pretoria on Sunday after being shot in the stomach at a party in Brits the previous evening.

The fatal shot was fired while Sanders was trying to shield his daughter from three armed robbers who had stormed into the restaurant and started shooting randomly, Beeld reported.

According to relatives, Sanders was taken to Kalafong despite the fact that there was a private hospital nearby, because he didn't have medical aid.

His ex-wife, Sunette, said he'd also been refused treatment at the Steve Biko Hospital in Pretoria because he was shot outside the Tshwane area.

Comments
  • thereevos - 2012-09-24 17:59

    The red tape is bull sh**t with these hospitals....what happened to compassion.there's no way that if he had survived that the bill at the hospital would not have been paid ...this whole country would have rallied together and helped.1000 people @ R10 ea is already 10k.there's a huge boxing fraternity that would fork out to help let alone people in general that feel the families despair.....eff u Steve Biko hospital

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-09-24 18:19

      Name and shame the private hospital...

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-09-24 18:20

      As far as Steve Biko is concerned the minister must take full responsibility.

      louwhan.hoffmann - 2012-09-24 18:41

      I agree with you thereevos. If the private hospital was aware of his status, they should have treated him. He is a person of national interest and funds would have been guaranteed by nationally or internationally. It amazes me that he did not have any private insurance. I don´t know what his financial situation was but I alway thought for winning a world boxing title would earn him millions of dollars.

      om.nom.nom.01 - 2012-09-24 18:58

      For once I am surprised, being turned away from a government hospital because you were shot outside Pretoria. Is this even possible? *Still trying to pick my jaw up off the floor*

      mihaip007 - 2012-09-24 19:38

      I was watching sabc news (don't ask why...!)! NO mention of Corrie's death whatsoever - not even in the sports news! Outrageous! If it were Baby Jake, there would be flags flown at half mast! I would call for a boycott of paying TV license so that these guys can feel the pain where it hurts most: their pockets...!

      GullibleX - 2012-09-24 19:50

      I disagree with your sentiments thereevos. Its not about the "railing together" and "boxing fraternity" to foot the bill. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. All South Africans should be treated the same. The pvt hospital should at least stabalise a patient(no matter who he is) before shipping him off to a government hospital. If I am not mistaken, that is the law. If not, then they should all be closed down. Steve Biko Hospital should get an investigation running and the perpentrator should be prosecuted to the max. The is no excuse for refusing to admit a dying patient... PERIOD !!!

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-24 20:00

      How disgusting is it that cANCer has allowed our once functioning government hospitals to become so useless!!!!

      rowan.clark.10 - 2012-09-24 22:07

      SAd!! SAd!! SA solutions non negotiable. Do these scum (robbers) even know whats wrong and right anymore?

      gungets.tuft - 2012-09-25 08:03

      @irene.buthelezi.1 - you clearly never visitied hospitals outside of white areas in the 1970's and 1980's. I did, and they were as bad, if not worse than they are now. I worked in emergency response back then and we knew that delivering patients to hospitals like Edendale were a death sentence in themselves. Trust me on this - in many areas they have not changed - no better, no worse. In many they have improved 10-fold. I am not excusing government - with the available budget they should be able to do much, much better, but please do not compare to the hospitals under the Nats if you do not know what you are talking about. I do, and you are just wrong. On another note - if they had taken Corrie to a private hospital, they would have stabilised him and then transferred. My guess is that they did not try. I am also trying to figure out why someone as prominent as Corrie did not have medical aid. Seems really strange.

      clive.wannenburg - 2012-09-25 10:23

      What ever happened to first stable the patient then transfer him to available hospital. makes me sick to think if it had been one of the criminals he wouold have got private care no questions asked. RIP Corrie you will be missed, enjoy the golf above may your drives be straight and your puts true.

      koos.meyer.52 - 2012-09-25 11:42

      The irony is that if one of the criminals were shot they would have been accepated at the private hospital - how the F can that be? ANC BS I guess? Always favouring the criminal elements in SA...

      manny.dasilva.902 - 2012-09-25 12:23

      But robbers and thugs that are shot and captured are taken to the nearest private hospital....?

      coenie.swanepoel.7 - 2012-09-25 12:34

      @ squeegee. The only operating hospital currently in Brits is Reefmed Hospital thus that is probably the one that refused the initial treatment in Brits.

      sylvia.shaw.7 - 2012-09-25 13:53

      What an absolute tragedy caused by red tape and greed. I am so disgusted to read this.

      gail.hayesbean - 2012-09-25 14:58

      I took a man with a burst appendix and acute, hepatic, abdominal and renal failure from a private doctor who had issued a medical instruction that he be admitted stat to a Govt Hospital. When his wife went in to find someone to help get him admitted she was directed to outpatients where despite the instruction given she was given an appointment date 2 months later. Another Govt hospital had misdiagnosed him as had clinics so he was in extremis. I went into the admissions officer and threw a tantrum of monumental proportions finally cowing the officer in showing me to where the Physician on Duty was. There I didn't even waste time asking the nurses about - I searched the cubicles and dragged the physician out and showed him the Doctor's instruction. When he wavered I told him that I was going to call our local Newspaper and he could tell them what he was telling me or I would take the media to the Hospital Supervisor. I knew it was probably way too late but the least they could do was administer palliative care. The physician caved and he was admitted as instructed and placed on immediate support. He had 7 operations before he succumbed because I phoned morning and night to ensure they didn't send him home.After my experience with my father I decided NEVER AGAIN. Don't mess with me - I have attitude and rights and I WILL USE THEM or sue you.

      geoff.liddiard - 2012-09-25 15:36

      Sorry guys what is the problem!! The health people in SA are just a money motivated bunch who think nothing of their Hippocratic oath. This same bunch, whether surgeons or mere GPs, charge more than most doctors in first world countries which is why our medical aids are so expensive and probably why Corrie didn't have one. They are also the same bunch who swore blind that Shabir Shaik had a terminal disease.

      claudia.meads - 2012-09-25 15:42

      If a person dies as a direct consequence to a deliberate refusal of medical care and/or a constructive lack of proper medical care then it is MURDER of the highest degree. The family should lay a charge of murder against the Minister of Health for constructively inhibiting the competence of state hospital - inter alia: trash Cuban "doctors" (who are little more than glorified nurses), medical school qualifying "doctors" who are near illiterate but qualified on their blackness only, overall lack of services, competence, etc, etc. Before 1994, SA had some of the best state hospitals in the world, any drop in these standards resulting in the death of a person, is MURDER. The death of Corrie Sanders demonstrates everything that is wrong with post-94 SA - the family should until the minister of Health and each (supposed) "doctor" and all other staff are jailed for life. PS: do not put your hopes up that they will ever catch his murderers, they are probably in Limpopo, as part of a certain vigil...

  • judith.taylor.56 - 2012-09-24 18:00

    A major failure of our medical institutions - disgusting!

      christelle.james.7 - 2012-09-24 18:08

      is this not just a drop in the bucket of everything which is failing Judith?

      denny.cray - 2012-09-25 10:07

      @Kevin - the entire SA healthcare system is shot. It has been on life support for years. Government has made a promise about healthcare which it simply cannot keep. The private healthcare system already bears a huge load of what the government has already promised to do. Even private hospitals struggle to maintain full medical staff compliments. My girlfriend works at a private charity hospital (although it does receive state funds too) and since she has been there they have *never* had enough doctors. (They also have regular GPs acting as specialists because they don't have one specialist on the staff due to chronic shortages) Remember that doctors aren't the ones admitting patients (we hope!). Under normal circumstances the patient would've been sent to the private hospital, stabilised then moved on. I'm interested to know why this didn't happen. There could be a good reason so I'll reserve judgement until we actually know more. Finally, perhaps think twice before blaming doctors who are already working insane hours and saving hundreds of lives for less money than a well placed ANC comrade.

  • wade.johnson.58726 - 2012-09-24 18:00

    Absolute Disgrace. Its becoming more & more difficult to be a proud South African.

      DraganTrenk - 2012-09-24 19:26

      Proud of WHAT-Exactly? Please,name it?

      wade.johnson.58726 - 2012-09-25 01:59

      @DraganTrenk: Well, we can be proud of...um...we can be proud of....I got nothing.

      paul.c.wadsworth - 2012-09-25 12:30

      We can be proud of the fact that Corrie was a World Champion and a South African

  • tokoziza - 2012-09-24 18:01

    It's a disgrace! Our hospitals should hang their heads in shame!

  • bharatee.narsi - 2012-09-24 18:07

    4 years ago my husband was taken to the Kalafong Hospital and died there because the hospital only operated on him 36 hours after the accident. I know the pain of losing someone because of don't care attitudes !

      christelle.james.7 - 2012-09-24 18:24

      What happened to the old notion of medical people doing it as a calling and not as a job?

      DraganTrenk - 2012-09-24 19:37

      I took my son(in pain,because of kidney stone,2 days ago,to the C.Masegte,or whatever name is now for the Job.Gen.)There you will find the most USELESS,LAZY,IGNORANT OXIGEN PARASITES on the EARTH!!! After 5 hours(feeling helpless and not been able to have any attention of the speciman at the Reception of the word 165) I've been attended by a very kind doctor lady from Ghana.We need to import more of the DECENT,CIVILIZED, HUMANIZED people.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-24 20:03

      @christelle ~ the answer to your question is simple ... look who's 'running' the show!

  • www.hephzibah.wapsite.me - 2012-09-24 18:08

    Sick! Disgusting! What happened to the hippocratic oath? Is it nul and void now? Only money talks these days it seems! Life has no more value anymore unless you mention dollars !!!!!!

      jacqueline.engelbrecht.54 - 2012-09-24 18:49

      More like hypocritical oath! They smack a band-aid on and give you a boot out the door! It's all about the politics and the money!

  • beki.khumalo - 2012-09-24 18:10

    He was \refused treatment at the Steve Biko Hospital in Pretoria because he was shot outside the Tshwane area.\ That's terrible! What nonsense is that? I've never heard of such a thing. They should sue the hospital!

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-24 20:14

      Sebenza, are deaf? Sit down and shut up until you have sobered up from the glue you've been sniffing

  • shauns4700 - 2012-09-24 18:11

    Just shows you this Gov is, just to as they please. If this was some politician, he/she would have been invited with open arms!

  • mzuvukile.maswana - 2012-09-24 18:13

    This is what our beloved South Africa has become. Money and unnecessary policies have taken over moral obligations of our society.

  • njabulo.njbl - 2012-09-24 18:13

    His daughter should take heart that he died a hero protecting her as a great dad would. The ONLY man to knock out a Klitchko

  • teddy.beer.319 - 2012-09-24 18:13

    Sad. But there are too many variables in the story. Ex-wife, only guy shot twice by people shooting 'randomly',at a planned party, no medical aid etc. The champ might have been the target. He can't be so unlucky. Difficult to say this but justice denied may never do him enough justice even in death.

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-09-24 18:25

      Get a life, dweeb...

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-09-24 19:20

      That's your breath sebenza...

      teddy.beer.319 - 2012-09-24 20:10

      Why does emotion have this tendency to make us take things at face value? I am just making a point that we may throw away the baby with the bathwater if we think the chap who hit him twice in a critical area was 'shooting' randomly. Its not a Pink Panther scenario.

      Cherri - 2012-09-25 08:47

      You watch too many movies, teddy.

      riette.nothling - 2012-09-25 11:27

      U watch way to many movies.

      petronella.dutoit.1 - 2012-09-25 23:20

      Do you mean it was a planned murder?

  • Rodney - 2012-09-24 18:22

    tht is not fair. Aron motswaledi must answer and explain why healh in public run tht way..! Tht f@@k..?.

      papikie2 - 2012-09-24 19:04

      I do not see how this is Motswaledi's fault. It is that of private health system.

      michelle.h.koekemoer - 2012-09-25 10:47

      Kevin, no where does it say private health refused treatment... what it does say was that he was not taken then because he did not have medical aid. You may find that the ambo don't take non=medical aid patients to private hospitals. Must agree with the commentator above that I find it strange he had no medical cover. In this day and age with the state of our government hospitals Medical Aid should be very near the top of priorties.

  • dgawthorpe - 2012-09-24 18:25

    By right Mr Sanders could have been taken to a private hospital where he would have been stabilized AND then sent onto a Goverment Hospital.

  • Mike Peach Purchase - 2012-09-24 18:28

    Sue them.

      gail.hayesbean - 2012-09-25 15:18

      In this instance suing will be throwing good money after bad. The fact that he was refused admission to a hospital because it was outside the area which the ambulance serves makes it a highly complex case. When you are involved in a tragedy of this nature you need reliable smart family and friends to take as many pics as possible of the scene and interview witnesses yourself if you want to stand a chance of winning a legal case. I was lucky enough to have those things when my family were involved in a collision with two cows at night. Insurance and legal were gobsmacked that I a victim could provide them with these vital pieces of evidence and it even delayed our court hearing because the farmer did not know we had them until the court sat. It does not bring back a young virile man who employed about 8 people in his business and it certainly wasn't enough to keep me for the rest of my life since I was 49 at the time, but it certainly helped go some way towards allowing me to finish educating the son who was injured with me.

  • oliver.lankes.3 - 2012-09-24 18:39

    sebenza, you got no compassion for great south Africans. Shame on you for your comment

      floccino - 2012-09-24 19:37

      Sebenza u r a typical Zulu who think to kill a person is to dance umshini wam. Go to hell and stop showing us how stupid and careless you are and how you were raised in your family.

  • harold.parsons.37 - 2012-09-24 18:39

    This issue that private hospitals will not trear you unless you belong to a medical aid is killing a lot of people. The hospitals refuse to accept a cheque and even putting down R30000 cash would not change thier minds. I think there is a kickback in the system that the hospital can not get from a private patient. I had to wait for the morning and pay them R100000 as a deposit even though the proceedure came to R63000 in the end all the doctors did what was neccasary and I paid when I got the bill. Something is wrong and the hospitals do no care.

  • Johnelle Olivier - 2012-09-24 18:43

    Corrie was probably the gunmen's target. He does have a shady past

  • nukki.green - 2012-09-24 18:44

    sue them

  • bamakhani - 2012-09-24 18:47

    Life on sale these days!

  • andy.zondi - 2012-09-24 18:51

    WTF so if I'm bleeding outside a private hospital I gotta just suck it up?\r\nCorrie couldve been saved, I wouldve driven that ambulance right into that private hospital and force them to treat him mxm#pissd

  • makarapakaplan - 2012-09-24 18:53

    So we waste many man hours trying to find a lost illegal miner underground but cant help a citizen who's been shot and requires urgent assistance?

  • isabel.ashe.7 - 2012-09-24 18:53

    What the F..k is going on... I believe that is True going in SA.. A family member of mine was Hijacked, and he shot one on the head... My family had to go to Fembisa hospital. and the jijacker was taken to Private Hopital in Kemptom...The Mother F..ker also did no have Med.AID, so why take him there. Was it because he was Black and my family was white..@ sebenza....You are a sick person that has no respect for people.... Who would you like if someone said that about your Mother too. If your mother is still a live she should give you a good talking to... You are a Disgrace to all Good Black people in SOUTH AFRICA..

  • mark.vanderheever - 2012-09-24 18:56

    But if the robber was shot he would have received the best treatment at the Garden City Clinic. Maybe criminal is the way to go !!!!

      Savethe White O - 2012-09-24 19:06

      Absolutely right its called looking after their voters. Another reason there is no death penalty, there will be no anc voters

      bbooyse - 2012-09-24 19:18

      Also, consider the prison population (who are eligible to vote) -- Would they vote for a party that actually advocates harsher sentences or even the death penalty? Of course not.

  • yusuf.amod.5 - 2012-09-24 19:01

    What happend to the good old days of apartheid.Even state hospitals were world-class.We gave up all those privleges for the luxury of pissing next to a white man and sitting next to whites on a bus.haha

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-24 20:07

      Yusuf. So true but the moronic cANCer voters are not able to see this.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-24 20:33

      No Themba, I speak for the likes of you and your ilk. Dumb as mud!

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2012-09-24 19:04

    I am so glad we no longer visit restaurants.

      gwilym.howes - 2012-09-25 18:51

      Gee, what a dull life you must lead...

  • trevor.pietersen.3 - 2012-09-24 19:09

    "Our".. SA local hospitals a disgrace..RIP....and condolences to the family....HE was a hero

  • peter.wojciechowicz - 2012-09-24 19:26

    Astounding that the cost of saving a life is balanced by the type of medical aid one carries. Surely life is worth more than a few paltry rands. Who cares if the incident was outside of Pretoria???? What has happened to humanity?

      denny.cray - 2012-09-25 10:15

      If life is worth more than a few paltry Rands then why do people who could afford medical aid not buy it? Why do people get shot and robbed over a few paltry Rands? I may agree with you but it seems society as a whole does not.

      gail.hayesbean - 2012-09-25 16:06

      Actually Peter, some Govt. Hospitals have care as good as and sometimes better than Private Hospitals. Doctors are in short supply everywhere and frequently overworked because the Healthcare Organisations where they practise insist on them performing X no of procedures per day frequently with too few nurses to care post-op for people where the Doctor may have made a mistake and the patient bleeds out internally for example and dies as a result of a relatively routine procedure. If the DR is in surgery and reliant on the nurses who are in short supply because the Hospital Care group won't/can't appoint more nurses then when something like this happens who does one blame. Doctors have to make tough calls sometimes in Emergencies and perhaps Corrie's condition was deemed to be irretrievable and there was someone else who they could save with relative certainty. One of the things people forget when they castigate Dr's for charging so much is that just becoming a GP requires at least 7 years of study and internship etc. Someone has to pay for that med student or they have to take a loan. They HAVE to have cars (HP or Loan during that time and they also have all the normal expenses and then some for specilised equipment which they require during training. When a Med student finally qualifies and can earn he has a shorter working life than a matriculant, is repaying loans and ready to marry or may even have married. Most Doctors are only $10 away from being broke many months.

  • floccino - 2012-09-24 19:28

    What is really happening with our south african goovernment and services, a person can die just because they say he was not shot in their area? This fat ANC guys don't know why they are in government. ANC as a whole make me sick.

  • kumbulani - 2012-09-24 19:37

    Human life vs medical aid, human life vs area of incident. Jesus's life was taken coz of money. The system prefers cash upfront against life. These are the last days prophesied, love of many shall go cold, unthankful, evil doers and thats the society we living in. Its time to repent

  • robert.doyle.712 - 2012-09-24 19:41

    Same thing happened in the days of Apartheid for a black person.That country is effed and nothing has no will ever change. GET OUT NOW!!!!!

      carmjooste - 2012-09-25 03:11

      Been out 5 years already - And sad but true - Reading all these comments, nothing has changed, just gotten worse :(

  • jeffrey.d.walker.9 - 2012-09-24 19:43

    A persons life ,and /or suffering takes 2nd place these days, MONEY being the 1st consideration. I'm almost sure that in a case of emergency, prescribed minimum benefits apply, where, by law, no Hospital may turn him away, and are obliged to at least stabilize him.

      xolani.sikade - 2012-09-24 19:50

      N1H1 could have save Courie,now we see the need for goverment to push forward for one health medical aid!

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-24 20:01

      The constitution entitles everyone to “emergency medical care.” The medical staff who turned CS away clearly do not understand what their calling is about and must be fired

  • GullibleX - 2012-09-24 19:48

    I disagree with your sentiments thereevos. Its not about the "railing together" and "boxing fraternity" to foot the bill. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. All South Africans should be treated the same. The pvt hospital should at least stabalise a patient(no matter who he is) before shipping him off to a government hospital. If I am not mistaken, that is the law. If not, then they should all be closed down. Steve Biko Hospital should get an investigation running and the perpentrator should be prosecuted to the max. The is no excuse for refusing to admit a dying patient... PERIOD !!!

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2012-09-24 19:54

    If we do not bring back the death penalty these attacks will continue.

  • themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-24 19:55

    What the hell! The constitution guarantees anyone the right to emergency medical treatment! Nowhere does it say a medical aid card must first be produced. I hope heads roll

      FinalJustice - 2012-09-24 21:45

      @themba, you may want to visit a few hospitals to review the current state of affairs: 1. Private hospitals will not touch a patient before medical aid status have been verified or before you pay up a huge sum in deposit (I'm talking R10-15K at least). 2. Government hospitals will not touch a patient (employee) that has been injured on duty because they have to be referred to private hospitals. I can confirm the above in my own experience. Can any doctors, nurses in this forum please comment on the correctness of my statement(s)?

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-24 22:35

      Finaljustice, I have told you what the law says. What you have told me is that the law is being broken. Someone needs to enforce it. I hope Corrie's family is the first one to do so

  • boeretroos.redakteur - 2012-09-24 20:06

    A dying man looked up at those walking by and stepping over him, none had compassion and no-one would help.Another rich man with influence came over and said he would help him if he could pay but the dying man had no coins with which to pay and he was left in the road. Then an old beggar came along and said he would help the dying man, he offered him his life and the only coin which he had and said to the caregiver take this coin and help this man, I also give him my life so that he may live. The caregiver was astounded and could not believe that the beggar with nothing would help the dying man and those with plenty would not. So he opened up his door to the dying man and took care of him, making sure he was restored to fullness. He also poured money out in front of the beggar and said this is for you. The moral of the story is - do good unto others and help those in desperate need for the great caregiver who rewards looks on.

      gail.hayesbean - 2012-09-25 16:15

      I've been here believe me - and justice has been served. The rich man who refused is dying from a long drawn out painful death that I am glad the poor man he refused didn't have to suffer, Sure he suffered for 9 days but Karma is a bitch and what you sow, so shall you reap.

      boeretroos.redakteur - 2012-09-25 18:41

      I propose a new law - That no person in need of urgent medical attention and who's life is in immediate danger should be refused emergency treatment at ANY hospital or medical facility. A denial would constitute a schedule one offence with mandatory imprisonment for one year and or a fine for R250,000.. The person can be tranfered after he has been stabilized and not regarded critical to a general hospital or care facility. The State must pick up the bill for the emergency treatment from such a first attention facility later on. I thus propose "Corrie's Law"

  • herman.burger.5 - 2012-09-24 20:06

    The @people@ who refused him treatment should be tried for murder. If there is a law that allows this barbaric practice of only allowing those who can pay to survive this should be changes ASAP. The medical profession in this country has become as self centred and money minded as the politicians. They only care about themselves and their wealth even if it means that someone has to die. Shame on you!!!!!

      gail.hayesbean - 2012-09-25 16:28

      It was Corrie's time, young and all as he was. Nobody is guaranteed tomorrow and he died protecting someone he loved. Let us mourn his passing and not blame the caregivers who had to make the decision. If anyone is to be punished for murder it is the person who shot him twice. You do need to ask why was Corrie the only one shot and killed if the gunmen were shooting wildly and how come nobody else was wounded as some people have. People who work in areas of service such as Police and Medicine are not to blame when the patient succumbs to injury or disease. He would probably have died even if he had Medical Aid and we can only speculate as to why he didn't. Consider what his life would have been like had he actually survived - it would have been an endless round of pain, discomfort and sitting in Outpatients rooms because of things like colostomy bag infections etc.

  • sebenza.vanrooy - 2012-09-24 20:06

    SCENARIO Malemma suffered severe chest pains after his asserts were attached for auctioning, he was rushed to a nearby private hospital where he was refused treatment because of lack of finance and medical insurance. He was certified dead on arrival at tshilidzini hospital 3000km away from his home. Is this fair or not?

      Savethe White O - 2012-09-24 20:14

      Let's celebrate ah dam if only

      sebenza.vanrooy - 2012-09-24 20:14

      Hoor one stereotype devil, just watch her angels will follow

      millionwatts1 - 2012-09-24 22:08

      Hehehe Irene's swearing says more about her than Malema but I digress, Corrie had no medical aid? A lesson to all people squandering their income here.

  • Bongiwe Hlatshwayo - 2012-09-24 20:13

    ths steve biko nonsense has cost another lyf, d family must lodge a complaint with d minister himself!! a stomach gunshot is not supposed 2 kill anyone even if liver is damaged cos u can live with a 1/4 liver. i work in CBD but getting a non-med aid pt to steve biko is like talking 2 a rock!! emergency stabilisation of any patient is d law n how come steve biko is d only naughty hosp in pta??

  • norman.parkin - 2012-09-24 20:14

    I am so sorry for your loss. My Dad died 5 Years ago because Montana Hospital in Pretoria did not want to operate on him after he was shot through the Stomach and Kidney until we paid a R50 000 deposit. My Dad did have Discovery Medial which he just joined, and due to a 3 month probation, discovery did not approve to cover the funds for the hospital to give him access. So we had to stand in for the funds. After lying in the waiting room for 12 hours, they only started operating after we paid the deposit. My Dad died 2 days after because of Septicemia, for he was exposed for 12 hours. After discussing this case with a very influential Lawyer, he mentioned that most of the top Lawyers are on retainers paid by the Medical Aid Funds, and you will need deep pockets to take a case like this to court, and many years. I however feel that it is time to get together, and start a Class Action case against these institutions, and stop this craziness. Please email me on norman.parkin@gmail.com, if you had a similar story. It is time.

      norman.parkin - 2012-09-24 20:50

      Hi Sebenza, I can understand if it was a simple case, but with Discovery Medical, we assumed he will be given access. A three month probation must exclude any accidents, and violence cases like this. The other challenge was that the hospital tried to stabilize him, which was the worst thing. So he was not allowed to be moved, nor did they allow him in to operate on, due to Discovery not covering the costs. So being exposed for such a long time to his insides, caused the Septicemia to settle in. Being in Margate at the time, we could not get up to Gauteng quickly enough to secure the funds. So according to me, 1) Discovery is at fault, and should not use the Probationary period to exclude access to medial help in a case of an accident or act of Violence. In fact all acts of Violence should ultimately be covered by Government. 2) The hospital is at fault, and should have taken action to try to save his life because they could not stabilize him. This should also be made LAW. If patient can not be stabilized to transfer to a state hospital, or other facility, the institution that the patient fist taken up in must take all the the needed actions to attempt to save the life of this patient. This COST must be covered by government regardless.

      mariette.brand - 2012-09-24 21:06

      Wonder whether you got your R50 000 back??!! They might as well stuck that R50 000 up their asses because it didn't save your dad! What a waste!

  • Neal Sing - 2012-09-24 20:22

    my son died in rehab because of poor medical care at Netcare.The Rot is everywhere. To the family i feel your loss

  • zimbobwe.mugabe - 2012-09-24 21:05

    Formner world heavyweight boxer living without a medical aid in this wild west world of ours??? I feel sorry for Corrie don't know his circumstances why was he breathing without a medical aid but it's a tricky one. What happened to his money??? Why did the wife took him to three different hospitals??? If I'm injured shot I would want to be taken to the nearest hospital not somehwere outside my vicinity. This woman is suspicious but the truth will come out, ex-wives are so dangerous.

      lorna.m.eaton - 2012-09-25 15:24

      It was the ambulance that took him to hospital, not the ex wife. The ambulance would have radioed to see which hospital was prepared to take the patient. You make assumptions about the ex-wife that are slanderous, cruel and probably untrue. Try to get some facts before you comment, zimbobwe.mugabe

  • obadia.segwape - 2012-09-24 21:49

    what happend here m confused corie i am so sorry u stil my hero

  • pyn.appel - 2012-09-24 21:56

    If one of the criminals got injured that same private hospital would have treated the scum ... get real !!!! RIP Corrie

      Onke.Dali - 2012-09-25 17:24

      How do you know this?

  • janet.mcdonaldbelstead - 2012-09-24 22:32

    Sadly in SA to most the Hypocratic Oath means NOTHING! What does matter however to the hospitals is your current financial status before all else! If you have medical aid or if you have thousands of R's available, then they will consider giving you some treatment - not the best treatment possible, but just "something". If you can't produce proof where they are going to get their Rands' from, then they don't want to know you! Truly disgusting behaviour, but honestly not only in the medical field!

      teddy.beer.319 - 2012-09-24 23:27

      I think the SA version is called a 'Hypocrite Oath'.

  • janet.mcdonaldbelstead - 2012-09-24 22:37

    Also, and I'm going to get a lot of slack on this one: A few years back I ended up in casualty at a major PE hospital - first question: "How are you going to pay? Medical Aid?" (not caring on how ill you are or how much pain you're in!). Once we'd sorted that out, I was taken through for treatment. Whilst we were there, a scruffy filthy stinking individual was brought in - street person - no questions asked, just immediate treatment. It is a guarantee that if you are "less tanned", then you will be questioned and denied treatment. BUT, if you're "tanned", then you're treated like royalty - money or not!

  • trevor.pietersen.3 - 2012-09-24 23:14

    Oh no...and THIS goverment...wants to impliment a new hospital plan....THEY are "killers"condolences to the family

  • jcoetzee1975 - 2012-09-24 23:25

    unreal

  • caryl.daniels - 2012-09-24 23:41

    I am so happy not to be a south african anymore...i am not proud specially when I read these stories ..simply terrible!! no regards for human life no matter what the circumstances are!!! time for the world to step in a fix you lot ...its getting crazier!!

  • eric.f.moloi - 2012-09-25 00:45

    These story has 2 sides if it cn be properly followed,ppl who r afraid to face de truth r concentrating on 1 to suite their agendas,if a different race was involved here,we would read lot of stories n finger pointing

  • maretha.mineur - 2012-09-25 05:12

    Many people go to bed hungry every night in SA, yet no on expects food stores to hand out food for free to everyone who turns up their doors. Or clothing stores to hand out clothes to the needy, or plumbers to travel to your house on their cost and do repair work for free because you cannot pay. Yet with medical treatment everything must magically be for free. The hospital is a business, just like any other business, they pay for goods and services and have to charge for goods and services. Doctors pay for the petrol in their cars needed to travel to that hospital, no oath will pick up the bill. The problem is the tragic state of our public hospitals and we need to fear the NHI, as then we will not even be able to pay for better service, as is possible now. It is sad to read on these forums how doctors and private businesses like hospitals are attacked and insulted and unreasonable demands made.

      lorna.m.eaton - 2012-09-25 15:33

      On one level you have a point maretha.mineur however this is a life-threatening emergency not clothes and food. People feel that someone in extremis should be treated at the closest hospital with facilities that is available. The bottom line is that the standard of (emergency) healthcare is dreadful and our country has the knowledge, manpower and money to have far better healthcare, if it was managed and administered properly. That is for EVERYONE, not just the elite, or those on medical aid or who are criminals. It's disgraceful that to be sent to a government hospital in an emergency is tantamount to a death sentence.

      maretha.mineur - 2012-09-25 16:25

      The most important part of your reply, Lorna, is "closest hospital with FACILITIES THAT IS AVAILABLE" Clearly the private hospital was not equipped to handle this emergency, would have taken hours to assemble a surgical team. Only state hospitals have the facilities and manpower to offer 24 hour service. Which Kalafong did- and the surgeons there will see more trauma in a month than private specialists in a year. What is tragic is that South Africans have NO idea how good the medical service is they get- those of us with family in Europe with their famed NHI models, know the truth. The vicious and vile remarks directed at doctors at the drop of a hat, by people who have no idea what they are taliking about, is nothing short of tragic. On another forum doctors are called " spineless murderers" who should emigrate. South Africans should be careful of what they wish for, for they might just get it!

      elsje.botha - 2012-09-25 16:44

      Maretha "Clearly the private hospital was not equipped to handle this emergency, would have taken hours to assemble a surgical team." Which you know how? The reason Corrie was turned away was not given as 'we cannot treat you because we do not have equipment and a surgical team'. It was 'you do not have medical aid'. There is a vast difference between the two, and for people to react in the manner they have (critisising doctors and hospitals) is only natural. Emergency medical treatment is exactly that, an EMERGENCY. Buying food and clothes is far from that and to compare the two is, to say the least, naive. A doctor true to his Hippocratic oath would have accepted the patient, with or withour medical aid, with or withour equipment and done his best to save him. Instead, and true to the SA culture these days, they sent him to another hospital, 'because someone else will deal with it'. It is a disgrace - and I see no sign of 'how good the medical service is'. Wish for doctors to emigrate? If we don't get the medical attention that is needed, when it is needed, what is the difference?

      maretha.mineur - 2012-09-25 16:59

      Elsje, which I know because the hospital manager said so. A surgeon would have had to travel from Pretoria. He was never " turned away" by the hospital, he was not taken there, as the EMT team knew there was no surgeon. You seem to believe that all medical interventions are the same: let me help you: if you need emergency surgical intervention and you land up in a hospital thas does not have a team on standby, as they do at Kalafong, you will die in casualty and no doctor in the world will be able to help you. Your naivety lies in the fact that you do not know the patient got the the medical attention he NEEDED, you keep on insisting he should have been sent to a sure death. Instead he was given a chance. And if you do not see any evidence of how good the medical service is, you have clearly not experienced enough to be able to compare.

      johleneh - 2012-09-25 17:26

      @ Maretha - it is a proven FACT that medical aids as well as most (generalising here) Doctors, completely overcharge. Discovery makes BILLIONS in profit every year and if you speak & deal with the people who are denied cover/authorization etc you see that they are ONLY in it for the money. Yes business have to make money, but NOT at the expense of morality and humanity, for godsake woman would it bankrupt everyone involved to care a little more for each other? Or should we just turn the other bloody cheeck?"

      johleneh - 2012-09-25 17:30

      From reading all your posts, it seem you might have been the Doctor on duty that night! Nobody here is attacking ALL or every Doctor, they are attacking a system that breeds people that no longer care of anyone or anything but themselves. It seems that you won't allow a bad word to be spoken when it is clear that in this case, there were medical professionals who just did not go the extra metre to help a fellow traveller. And THAT is sad

      maretha.mineur - 2012-09-25 18:28

      johleneh, and you are a Medical Economist now, who has done practice cost studies to make you an expert? The term overcharge has no meaning at all, people just mean: did not charge my medical scheme benefits. For the EXACT SAME procedure Discovery will pay either R 1008.00 or R 604.60, or R 278.60, depending on your particular plan. So what is now the "fair rate" you think? It is not at all clear that any medical professional refused any treatment that night, in fact that simply did not happen at all. There are practically ONLY bad words spoken on all forums where medical professions are concerned, doctor bashing has become such a popular sport in South Africa that even those doing it seem to be totally oblivious of it. Curious tactic too, let's just insult and villify hard working people and that will incencentivise them to up their game and serve with a smile!

      maretha.mineur - 2012-09-25 18:41

      And it might be important to remember: private hospitals may have a 24 h emergency room, manned by specially trained GP's and they DO attend to any true emergency that presents. It is absolute rubbish that dying people are turned away from emergency rooms at private hospitals. Specialists, however, are summoned and all disciplines are not available at all hospitals. Their travel time can be very long, depending on where you live. So the EMT team decides where the optimum place is to go, which they clearly did here.

      johleneh - 2012-09-26 10:07

      Hi Maretha, I definitely do not advocate Doctor bashing so understand your sensitivity to the issue. I just believe that many professionals ie teachers, doctors police etc, do not enter the profession because they want to help & work with children but because of holidays or money and I find that sad as money and materialism is fast becoming the most important thing in almost everyone's life. Anyway my condolences to the family and yes we should all be more appreciative of what we do have instead of breaking it down.

      lydia.benkenstein - 2012-09-26 10:44

      Maretha, I suspect you work for the medical fraternity, and gee I am right. Practice Manager at a hospital. You all protect your own. Go figure!

      maretha.mineur - 2012-09-26 11:35

      johleneh, thanks for showing that you do have insight and no Lydia, I do not think everyting is perfect, nothing ever is. I do sometimes, however, fear for the future of the SA patient and remain amazed at the lack of insight. At the mention of the word " doctor" it is like a shark attack and people do not seem to understand we are dealing with a scarce and dwindling resource- the average age of an SA specialist is 56! A recent survey showed that 80% of doctors actively DISCOURAGE their children to join the profession, where earlier it was a proud family tradition.Now why would that be the case if it were such an easy licence to print money? The media has a hand in whipping up these emotions, but going on forums calling doctors " spineless murderers who should shove their degrees in their ..... and emigrate" , does not translate into a win-win situation.