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Cosatu: Don't ban 'shoot the boer'

2011-04-15 18:00

Johannesburg - Cosatu has backed a call by its North West wing and the NUM for AfriForum to drop its attempt to restrain ANC Youth League president Julius Malema from using the lyrics "shoot the boer".

"Whether the lyrics of such struggle songs should be sung today is another debate, but banning them is not practical; people will still sing them nevertheless," Congress of SA Trade Unions (Cosatu) spokesperson Patrick Craven said in a statement.

The case was underway in the Equality Court in Johannesburg on Friday.

AfriForum believe the lyrics cause hostility and make Afrikaners feel threatened, whereas Malema and the ANC disagree, saying they are not intended to cause harm, and are part of the party's history and heritage.

AfriForum has said it accepted the lyrics being part of a museum display or a play, but that singing them in a political context polarised people in South Africa.

Comments
  • one-way - 2011-04-15 18:18

    Can Cosatu No Wait, Kiss the Boer, Oh shit, Hang on Shoot the can, Ima bitchan, Wat ? Eish O.K.Comrades, here goes Kiss the boer , Kill Cosatu, Ban the can Sing the Song

      Thandiwe83 - 2011-04-15 22:37

      Ban any song that creates hate...

      Stox - 2011-04-17 17:44

      It's in my history and culture to take black people as slaves. Can I do that then? *Disclaimer - no I can't because that part of my "culture" or "history" was deemed inappropriate. So we pruned it. It's called evolution. Evolving as a culture by pruning off the bad habits as we learn and grow. Let's see if black South African's who support this Malema cretin can evolve a bit more...*

      Mashudu Sioga - 2011-04-18 07:51

      i think stox is out of his mind, believing that his culture allows blacks to be slavery,,,,,,,,,i think he does not understand what is culture or he does not have a culture at all.

      OB1 - 2011-04-18 14:33

      Mashudu - Stox was not suggesting we bring back slavery, he was simply making an analogy to illustrate that just because something is a part of one's culture, does not make it ok. Culture is a living thing that is constantly evolving, and that we must constantly evaluate it and discard things that are a part of our culture when we learn that they are not right or appropriate any longer. Slavery was a part of white culture a long time ago, but it was wrong, and so was abolished eventually. Today people are dying because of attitudes of one group of people toward another. This atttude is being fulled by songs like 'Kill the boer', so we need to do away with it...not forget it and where it came from or why it was sung, but stop singing it publicly cos it incites violence and militancy towards fellow south africans.

  • Radrodent - 2011-04-15 18:20

    It's a crappy song anyways. We can do without this so called piece of history.

      Johan - 2011-04-15 18:44

      @Radrodent the problem is this piece of history is like a fresh dog turd and the ANCYL are like flies clinging to it. You try and get a blue-arse fly to not be attracted to a piece of $hit.

  • maseratifitt - 2011-04-15 18:21

    Nobody said anything about banning the "song". The words should just be classified as hate speech, which it is. The cowards can still sing it in their toilets or while they hide behind their body guards, trying to intimidate small groups of people.

      Judgmental - 2011-04-15 18:29

      It's the same as the Whites using the word "Kaffir" in publi;,it's banned because it's offensive to a certain group in our country and the Whites didn't carry on about the banning of that word, we excepted it's offensive and moved on.

      Francois - 2011-04-15 18:43

      Judge Mental, I am not sure that we excepted it. Did we not rather accept it?

      Judgmental - 2011-04-15 19:02

      Well spotted Francois, typo error on my side...in actual fact public was spelled wrong too, but I saw it too late

  • MaLemmer - 2011-04-15 18:22

    Ask Germany why The Horst Wessel song is banned! Ask Germany why parts of their Anthem are banned!

      Win14 - 2011-04-15 21:26

      Yes, you are so right comparing it to Germany. Germany's banning of certain Nazi lyrics is entirely self-imposed. The same should be expected from todays ruling class of South Africa. They've got us by the balls anyway, so why rub it in ever further with songs that are obviously offensive to us. It's the small man's never-ending revenge for something he personally never experienced. That makes it doubly sick. I agree that there would be no need to ban this boer-kill song if our new leaders were a self-disciplined type of people. But they are gloaters, destroyers and locusts. They've never really had the chance to overpower us, annihilate us, i.e. they have never tasted true victory - because we simply handed it all to them on a platter. And that is actually hard to forgive, you know. In their hearts, they wanted to kill us just like the song, but we never gave them the chance, and we still rule the economic roost today. Rather daunting, hey? We'll be the enemy forever.

  • Chibuli - 2011-04-15 18:23

    This jut shows how insensitive the ANC and ANCYL are towards Whites in this country. I thought the ANC stood for a non-racial democracy? What's the reason for this racism? Can someone form the ANC explain why they support racism?

  • Lestor - 2011-04-15 18:24

    "Whether the lyrics of such struggle songs should be sung today is another debate, but banning them is not practical; people will still sing them nevertheless," Congress of SA Trade Unions (Cosatu) spokesperson Patrick Craven said in a statement. Banning murder is not practical, people will still murder anyway. Logic +1

      Johan - 2011-04-15 18:50

      Yes Lestor, but don't provoke people to commit murder, there is a huge difference between banning and provoking. Logic -1

      Taurusaurus - 2011-04-15 18:51

      "Banning murder is not practical, people will still murder anyway. Logic +1" - best comment!!

      Mike - 2011-04-15 19:05

      As the good proff said its not a song its a chant.

  • Simpiwe Cele - 2011-04-15 18:26

    Don't ban just relegate to the annals of history , a song to be sung when reminiscing about the bad old days over a beer or two with fellow cadres. Dont divide our nation and alienate minority groups

      Kudubul - 2011-04-15 18:43

      Thanks for coming up for us Simpiwe!

      maseratifitt - 2011-04-15 19:50

      If only there were more leaders with your insight, Simpiwe.

      TshepoFriday - 2011-04-15 20:10

      oreo biscuit you again??? i must admit i personally think its a stupid song and Mr Malema looks like a fool wannabbe ganster puting his hands in the air in the shape of a parabelum but banning it will not change anything....malemas supporters will still sing the song if its banned or not.

      Spoofed - 2011-04-16 14:32

      @ThsepoFriday.. The bottom line of it all is this... Malema gets away with far too much and in doing so he hurts the nation. and the fact is the nation needs to stand up to all who are not looking into our best interest. Instead he is creating a great and bitter divide. Remember the world cup? Remember how everybody was getting along and everywhere you looked people were friendly to one another, people laughed and joked together.It did not matter where you lived, rich or poor, we knew we were all south African and we were proud! For one month this country stood together! That is how it is supposed to be! I want to live everyday like that, don't you?

  • Jason - 2011-04-15 18:30

    So let me see... farmers singing "shoot the township resident" would undoubtedly lead to massive uproar, but township residents signing "shoot the farmer" is ok? Where the hell is the logic and how can this lunacy possibly be defended under the guise of any kind of "heritage"?

  • Keith - 2011-04-15 18:39

    What a cop out if you listened to the trial, Prof. Grey who studied all the ANC songs, "Shoot the Boer" it is not a song it is a chant and the movements which go with it are the telling sign. Julius if you are so beloved why all the body guards, bit of over kill again I would say or are you scared tht a Boer will kill you instead. As for your stupid comments on all rich whites, what about you........you spend money like water and where do you get it from? 16 lawyers also a bit of an over kill don't you think. Comment is from Dorothy and not Keith using his facebook address.

  • semaj - 2011-04-15 18:51

    I am about to make up a song about "shoot the Cosatu/Samwu striker". We have had more than enough disruption of our municipal services in a paying suburb of Johideousburg. We will never recover the lost costs and have even less hope of recovering the cost involved to get rid of our garbage by driving it to a dumping area kilometres away. I cannot and will not fill my car with two or three weeks of stinking garbage simply to help out a non-functional service. Will rather do the squatter thing and throw it all out on the sidewalk.

  • Mxhuma - 2011-04-15 18:59

    So the taxpayer is the one who is footing the bill for this case?

  • Madelane - 2011-04-15 19:05

    Oh well so Cosatu has pinned its racism to the flag pole along with its alliance partners.......

  • Henry - 2011-04-15 19:30

    Hope Malema loses this case. Because if they win we will never hear the end of it

  • Kevin - 2011-04-15 19:45

    Shoot the boer! good sentiments for a nation that is malnourished. Kill your food supply! kill your growth! Kill your will to survive! Every country needs farmers, without them, we are hungry! Leave them alone, let them have all they want, they feed us all!

  • Shadoz - 2011-04-15 20:07

    Yes daddy ANC we will do as you say ... I think the turnout of this case is gonna be very interesting.

  • Thami Fraser - 2011-04-15 20:54

    The justifications offered by some ANC politicians to continue singing the “kill the boer” song at this time is very unfortunate and short sighted. Just given the general level of violent crime, and the high murder rate in our Country, none of us should be singing about killing. One understands that there was a time and a context for singing that song. But now is not the time to be singing that song. Now is a time for singing of Healing, Reconciliation and Nation building. Now is a time for singing of Hammering Swords into Plough Shears. Words are not as innocent and innocuous as some among us would have us believe. Words are powerful beyond imagination. Words have the power to speak Life, or death Let us speak words of Life. Words have the power to Build, or destroy Let us speak words that Build. Words have the power to Heal, or hurt Let us speak words that Heal. Words have the power to Bless, or curse Let us speak words that Bless.

  • Thami Fraser - 2011-04-15 20:55

    The justifications offered by some ANC politicians to continue singing the “kill the boer” song at this time is very unfortunate and short sighted. Just given the general level of violent crime, and the high murder rate in our Country, none of us should be singing about killing. One understands that there was a time and a context for singing that song. But now is not the time to be singing that song. Now is a time for singing of Healing, Reconciliation and Nation building. Now is a time for singing of Hammering Swords into Plough Shears. Words are not as innocent and innocuous as some among us would have us believe. Words are powerful beyond imagination. Words have the power to speak Life, or death Let us speak words of Life. Words have the power to Build, or destroy Let us speak words that Build. Words have the power to Heal, or hurt Let us speak words that Heal. Words have the power to Bless, or curse Let us speak words that Bless.

  • Melgo - 2011-04-15 21:07

    but dit you not hear? Boer does not mean Farmer but policeman so apparently it is OK to kill the police!! Nice good to know. Do they even realise that more than a fair share of policeman are black ANC voters? Just show the level of IQ involved - like none. Zero!!

      Boer - 2011-04-15 22:28

      Ja die goed is vreeslik dom.

  • Sword&Cross - 2011-04-16 07:34

    Since WHEN is it acceptable for a nations leadership to blatantly become criminally anti-social? oh, of course - since it transformed itself from a human nation to that of sub species crawlers thieving everything.

      Paco7 - 2011-04-18 12:14

      it is the decades of rape, torture,murder and plunder by the white imperialist,colonilist blood sucking vermin that has caused the black man to rebel against the system,against the previous government and against any form of law because the law was seen as evil as they were extremely evil killing anyone that asked for equal rights and you have the nerve to use all these deragotary terms towards us blacks...screw you and anyone else that has a problem with our struggle songs

  • selby mokoen - 2011-04-17 11:28

    people,lets be realistic man,song is just a song.we all hv freedom 2 sing any song u wnt 2.it was ZUMA "lethu mshine waam" nw MALEMA,who is th next target 4 senseless things?lets waste time nd money on important issues plzzz

  • Rudi - 2011-04-18 10:54

    In South Africa, Act No. 4 of 2000: Promotion of Equality and Prevention of Unfair Discrimination Act contains the following clause: 10. (1) Subject to the proviso in section 12, no person may publish, propagate, advocate or communicate words based on one or more of the prohibited grounds, against any person, that could reasonably be construed to demonstrate a clear intention to - (a) be hurtful; (b) be harmful or to incite harm; (c) promote or propagate hatred.[23] The crime of crimen injuria ("unlawfully, intentionally and seriously impairing the dignity of another")[24] may also be used to prosecute hate speech.[25] 'nough said.

  • waine - 2011-05-01 15:12

    Cosatu, thats great logic! "By banning the song people will still sing it." That is like saying why ban shebeens?, they will still sell liquor illegally! This song has no place in our society. Ask any person of average intelligence and education whether this song should be allowed. I guarantee 80% to 90% of people will say it is wrong, as it fuels hatred and violence, - that includes all race groups! But I guess its hard to find such reasonable intelligence in government!

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  • WeWantChange - 2011-05-17 16:36

    COSATU are such idiots for not seeing why this is so wrong. This is part of our history ,lets leave it there and MOVE ON! VOTE SOUTH AFRICANS VOTE! WE WANT CHANGE!

      WeWillChange - 2011-05-17 17:26

      Once again, completely blinded by colour. Repeating the mistakes of the past. Whats the point? How much more energy do these people need to waste? How much more life or hope do they need to drain from the people in the country that actually contribute positively..... I honestly dont even think they know why or who they're supporting anymore. if it were about colour.... then why is the majority of this country still suffering? It seems its all about greed, money and playing a game that only they understand.... Malakes!!

  • Tamara - 2011-05-19 19:07

    We have a new struggle. A struggle against oppression, corruption and poverty. We have a new struggle, that's not about race. Our struggle as South Africans are to end the rule of the ANC government, or to force them to be accountable and to do their jobs. Anyone care to write a song about THAT?

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