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Cosatu: Stop treating protesters as criminals

2011-06-14 14:11

Johannesburg - The Police and Prisons Civil Rights’ Union (Popcru) must ensure that police stop treating protesters as criminals, Cosatu president Sidumo Dlamini said on Tuesday.

"We fought for the right to strike and we fought for freedom of association and we will not have these rights taken away through the back door. These people reflect the frustrations confronted by your own communities," Dlamini told the Popcru national congress in Bloemfontein.

Dlamini said he did not expect Popcru members to be involved in incidents of police brutality, because their members were schooled in the struggle for human rights.

Dlamini also addressed police killings in light of the recent murder of Sergeant Calvin Nonyana at a Lenasia police satellite office on Sunday.

"I call on those responsible for these killings to understand that policemen and women are human beings too and have families like all of us.

"Imagine the pain of those little children waiting for father or mother to come back home only to receive the news that he or she has been brutally murdered by some merciless criminals," Dlamini said.

Popcru is a trade union representing police, traffic and correctional services officers.

Comments
  • Felix - 2011-06-14 14:14

    As soon as they stop behaving like criminals.

      keithy - 2011-06-14 14:32

      I agree 100% but the police need to also stop behaving like power hungry savages.

      senkgisha - 2011-06-14 14:32

      As soon as they stop behaving like criminals....Like your comments on this site then SA would be better country to live in.

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-06-14 14:33

      Exactly - I'm all for striking but S.A. uses it as an excuse to loot. How many massive peaceful strikes have we witnessed in S.A? The government needs to scratch any negotiations if a strike becomes criminal in anyway. And COSATU needs to start taking responsibility for their actions.

      Mnr. Smith - 2011-06-14 14:36

      Agreed, Cosatu can go to hell! Prostesters always resort to vandalism and other barbaric behaviour.

      Kpt_Keyboard - 2011-06-14 14:37

      agreed, but why cant they settle this like normal human adults? If they r going to act like criminal barbarians they r going to be treated that way... This is a very simple concept, or am i missing something?

      Tolerant - 2011-06-14 14:42

      I agree, if they destroy property or kill people they can not be forgiven. Lock them up if they brake the law.

      Edge - 2011-06-14 14:48

      I agree Tshepo. To strike is the African way. You striked to get SA, now you got it. Now you strike to get the farms, now your getting it. Then you strike to get this and that. Try working together, not voting ANC bafoons to take care of the country and things will get better. Your just digging your own hole here and strike when you can't get help to get out. Stop striking and get back to work!

      Bloodbane - 2011-06-14 14:48

      @SexyTshepo come striek in my area... oh wait it's run by the DA and there's no reason to strike... sorry, lets change this... if it was ANC run and you came to strike in my area there would be alot less strikers very very soon.

      Bloodbane - 2011-06-14 14:49

      striek = strike

      Cupra - 2011-06-14 14:49

      Stop voting for criminals then their will be nothing to "toi-toi" about! Its THAT simple!!!!

      Mad man - 2011-06-14 14:55

      Stop your criminal payments to black workers, we want to be paid like whites who do nothing in their offices other than watching porn movies on internet - for night erection

      Kpt_Keyboard - 2011-06-14 14:56

      tshepo u r making ur nation sound dumber and dumber by the day! they say that Africans got an average IQ of about 70! What is urs? 40?

      Kpt_Keyboard - 2011-06-14 14:58

      tshepo, here! go read the facts!! http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/Race_Evolution_Behavior.pdf

      REALIST - 2011-06-14 15:00

      Agree 100% - behave like well evolved human beings, but I reckon that's asking far too much!

      Mnr. Smith - 2011-06-14 15:03

      @ Tshepo You fools want everything just to be given to you. You dont understand the concept, "work to earn". We demand, we want, we suffaaar! This is the way we found you hundreds of years ago, this is the way you will always be.

      Matt - 2011-06-14 15:13

      @ Kpt_Keyboard - answering a post about racial division of IQs, you probably shouldn't refer to an institute named after a guy who married his first cousin and cognisantly practised in-breeding... this isn't Brakpan you know ;-) Besides, the size of one's brain or IQ test results don't prove any racial superiority, less does it prove we all evolved from a rock billions of years ago. I read the Indians have the largest brain matter, which "proves" evolution - tell that to the billion of them living in squalor in India. Or, does the lack of BO and bodyhair on Japanese "prove" their racial superiority? They apparently thought so, they did those experiments to prove it! Anwyay, back to the actual topic at hand!!! On the one hand, if protesters stopped behaving like criminals then maybe they'll get respect from us. On the other hand, dissent will not be tolerated in the Communist, Marxist Dictatorship that SA is fast becoming... how long before political opponents and activists are permanently silenced... it's a miracle Helen Zille is still alive!

      Nunya - 2011-06-14 15:15

      @MadMonkey...yes you poor monkey..still getting paid penuts by you black ANC boss...hahahah. Not like you white baas, hey???hahahahah...once a aapie, always a aapie!!!You just striking against the ANC, so, go ahead...

      Edge - 2011-06-14 15:25

      Hey Mad-man, just shows you how dumb you are thinking we whites sit and do nothing. Blacks are in control of government. Whites create their own jobs as we can't apply for BEE and so on. If we don't work, we don't get money. That's how live works....work = get paid money. Where do you think our money comes from. Growing them in our back yards. Perhaps start working and you'll get some moeny, not by killing farmers and screaming like your leaders.....take from the whites!

      SeanJ - 2011-06-14 15:28

      Tshepo u do realize when the ppl strike 99% of the time its against the government, Your superly wonderful caring government that dont do anything wrong. U striking so u can get paid more from them not the white bosses. idiot

      Kpt_Keyboard - 2011-06-14 15:31

      Well Matt, his facts seems pretty on target to me, so does it realy matter what you say?

      Jade - 2011-06-14 15:43

      Do POPCRU still support the legalisation of dagga? They did 2 years ago. Any movement on this issue? Dagga should be legalised: Popcru Cosatu's congress could end on a high note, with police union Popcru pushing for dagga to be legalised. The proposal was due to come up for debate today when delegates debate resolutions. Popcru general secretary Nkosinathi Theledi told The Star that by legalising dagga, the police would be freed to focus on fighting more serious crime. If adopted, said Theledi, the proposal would be forwarded to the SAPS top brass for consideration. "Whether we like it or not, dagga is being used and it should rather be legalised. "We are saying it should be regulated ... the age limit on who is allowed to use it. "Research even tells us that there are cases where doctors prescribe dagga for patients with particular ailments. "If it happens, then this will save police resources - instead of chasing after (dagga sellers and producers), they can look at bigger crime," said Theledi. Theledi, who says he does not smoke dagga, said he was initially opposed to the idea, but had been persuaded otherwise by his union. While the use of dagga may encourage some users to try harder drugs, Theledi said regulation - such as that on alcohol sales - should be enforced. Legalisation would also "empower the people who produce it and will add to the economy", according Theledi, stressing it would be up to congress delegates to debate and finalise the issue.

      Ai! Ai! - 2011-06-26 11:45

      Dear Felix, Please do not generalise. There are so many honest, upright policemen/women out there looking to your safety. If they all behaved like criminals, why are so many criminals caught? Surely a house cannot be divided amongst itself?

  • USSA - 2011-06-14 14:18

    Stop acting like criminals and grow some decency. Stop singing and converse. Stop breaking and burning things and walk in peace. Stop demanding, and start negotiating like intelligent beings. Maybe then, some form of agreement could be reached.

  • Smindlo - 2011-06-14 14:19

    they must stop behaving like savages!! why the vandalism? why the burning of private property? why the trashing of streets?

      Together - 2011-06-14 14:28

      true - and the best form of protesting is to vote for change. Nothing gets broken and you take some responsibility for choosing better leadership.

      USSA - 2011-06-14 16:07

      @ Smindlo I concur Smindlo. Can't answer your questions though...sorry.

  • dotty_01 - 2011-06-14 14:19

    it works both ways..... it seems as though 'Africans' can do nothing peacefully - there always has to be aggression, looting and destruction with these guys. that dreadful singing and dancing that they do also contributes to the impression that they are backward, uneducated and totally unable to be civilised and dignified.

  • oh.wow - 2011-06-14 14:21

    well maybe if they stop throwing stones at passing cars, burning tyres, throwing stuff at the police, burning their work areas *which are all criminal acts just by the way) they will stop treating them like the criminals they are. If you want to protest, protest properly in a peaceful way.

  • Gorilla - 2011-06-14 14:21

    ummm. maybe if they stopped burning, breaking, intimidating etc. They might get a bit more sympathy.

  • david - 2011-06-14 14:23

    *wild applause* It's overdue to be said. These are not criminals that the police are regularly suppressing, it's citizens who are being left without basic services by the SA government, who are only happy to kill it's citizens to shut them up.

      eJay - 2011-06-14 14:30

      The police is well within their rights to protect people and property from raging savages, throwing stones, setting fire to things, damaging cars to name a few 'activities' that go on at such marches. A citizen quickly becomes a criminal when moving outside the law.

      Together - 2011-06-14 14:36

      The best form of protesting is to vote for change. Nothing gets broken and you take some responsibility for choosing better leadership - perhaps Cosatu can roll out a programme explaining that to all it's members?

      Smindlo - 2011-06-14 14:36

      @Ejay, agreed.teachers must stop intimidating and disupting schooling activities when they go on strike!! why stab pupils who want to learn!! same applies for nurses, the intimidation of patients at hospitaals during strikes in just not acceptible. in fact all these savagery acts have to be criminalized!!

      Victor - 2011-06-14 14:42

      They are criminals the moment they throw a rock, brake a window, hit someone. What happened just last week? Cars driving past was thrown with rocks by protesters. When did that person, driving past had anything to do with the reason the protesters was striking? Why is he targeted? Even if he somehow had anything to do with the strike, its still illegal to cause damage to another persons property. The same goes for shops that was burned and looted at strikings. Dlamini is right in, that they fought for the right to can strike. However they do not have the right to break the law.

      Tinkie - 2011-06-14 15:24

      Yes, they do have a right to strike. Every one in this country has the right to strike, protected by the constitution. HOWEVER, with the right to strike, comes the responsibilities. Buring buildings, destroying things, intimidation, etc are NOT a right!!! By behaving in such a manner, you are stepping on the rights of others. Two wrongs don't make it right! If you want to strike, fine, go ahead. However, be responsible. Go about this in a dignified manner and you will then gain more support and respect. As eJay states, the police are within their rights to protect people and property. When you overstep that boundry, expect retaliation. Don't act in a criminal manner. What are you teaching your children? That if you can't or won't give them something, they can destroy things in your home and your neighbours' homes to get their own way? It is exactly the same thing. Strike, toyi-toyi or whatever, just don't destroy or intimidate!!! Stay in the law and be responsible adults!!!!

  • Mart - 2011-06-14 14:25

    I have very little doubt that protesters flout the law and bring this police action on themselves...well most of the time at least. Recent news reports suggest that South Africa will very shortly lose it's position as the major business hub in Africa and this is due in part to foreign investors and traders logically looking for more stability. When human rights are replaced with a perception of entitlement to do whatever they please, these protesters are dragging South Africa's name deep into the mud.

  • sefeddt - 2011-06-14 14:26

    They are criminals. In almost every instance involving Cosatu from teachers strike, health care workers strike, metro officials strike, refuse workers strike, transport drivers strike, train drivers strike etc, the strikers have been violent, damaging property, intimidating non strikers and the public. That is why i find it ironic when Vavi/Cosatu bleat on about becoming a banana country when his own members are contributing.

  • Ed - 2011-06-14 14:30

    Ofcourse protesters should not be treated as criminals - except when they perform criminal acts like vandalism, intimidation, bodily harm.... etc. etc

  • Lyndatjie - 2011-06-14 14:30

    They intimidate and threaten people who want to work. They destroy and torch when they go on a rampage. If this doesn't brand them as criminals then its no wonder there are some that have a VERY distorted view of right and wrong!

  • VADERLAND - 2011-06-14 14:31

    "Dlamini said he did not expect Popcru members to be involved in incidents of police brutality, because their members were schooled in the struggle for human rights." Schooled in human rights my foot. They always carry on like a bunch of animals. Say schooled in black domination then I would believe you

      cerveza - 2011-06-14 14:35

      @Vaderland - I find it very ironic that someone that supports white domination takes the time to complain about black domination. Are you mad at the ANC for thinking like you do but from a different side of the line?

      Drolpeer - 2011-06-14 15:29

      @ Cerveza: Is jy onnosel?

      VADERLAND - 2011-06-14 15:48

      @cerveza there are moves afoot to sideline the white people, and on the black side to dominate the political as well as economic landscape, and pretty much everything else and yes I do criticize that. And I know which side of the line I am on, thanks for pointing that out.

  • JIMBO99 - 2011-06-14 14:32

    But they are criminals?? they vandalize property, assault people who dont want protest and disrupt everyone else s lives.. why not just negotiate like the rest of us??

  • Paul - 2011-06-14 14:34

    When the protestors start behaving like civilised human beings and not breaking down and destroying everything in site then you have the right o make these comments. It is also about time that the trade unions are held financially responsible for damage caused during strikes and marches.

  • Anonymous Thinker - 2011-06-14 14:35

    Most protesters are criminals! Destroying of public or private property is a crime! Maybe COSATU should remember that and get their "people" to stop behaving like criminals and then maybe the police wouldn't treat them as criminals.

  • Enigma - 2011-06-14 14:37

    I agree with everyone on one thing & that is behaving like criminals. However real criminals are roaming the streets and killing innocent people while police are deployed on protesting areas shooting protesters with live ammunition. This shoot to kill rule made by Gen Bheki Cele has turned our protectors into murderous. We are now afraid of the thugs and the police also, who do you trust when everyone is now trigger happy?

  • Stella - 2011-06-14 14:38

    If they stop acting like bloody criminals - which will never happen!

  • Mnr. Smith - 2011-06-14 14:38

    "We fought for the right to strike and we fought for freedom of association and we will not have these rights taken away through the back door. These people reflect the frustrations confronted by your own communities," oh please, WTF?!?! get over the "struggle", wake up and smell the democracy you fools!

      Jackie - 2011-06-14 15:10

      I could not have said it better. Amandla

  • biskit - 2011-06-14 14:40

    Throwing stones at unsuspecting civillian vechicles is a criminal offence - Its called maliscious Damage to Property

  • jock van wyk - 2011-06-14 14:46

    when protesters behave like criminals the police must react

  • Wow! - 2011-06-14 14:47

    Cosatu can only expect to be treated reasonably when their strikers follow the rules: • No coercion of non-strikers • No damage to property • No Interfering with other people rights • No Intimidation Until that happens, the Police have a DUTY to protect South Africa’s citizenry.

  • Joy - 2011-06-14 14:48

    They are not treated as criminals UNTIL they start destroying public and private property during their strike action - then all bets are off !

  • Maxwell - 2011-06-14 14:51

    I’ve one wish I would wish that the South African Police Services retard from recruiting officers on the basis on a mere Matric. Watch America investigations on the DSTV Channel, Reality zone you would see skills, education plus intelligence being evinced until the perpetrators are brought to book no matter how long ago the crimes were committed. It’s a pity to see cases being thrown out of our courtrooms due to lack of evidence purportedly amassed by the investigating officer (police officer). At least the government should prescribe specific instructions in respect of prerequisites when recruiting these members, because not every officer is out there dealing with crowd control, some are busy gathering evidence and information to continue expediting the investigation.

      Bloodbane - 2011-06-14 15:10

      it's because of affermitive action and lack of propper training. add that to having crimnals in goverment and idiots in top cop postiions... BTW crimes get thrown out of courst all over the world due to stupid reason's and corrupt cops.

      Matt - 2011-06-14 15:31

      @Bloodbane me old mucker... you need a new keyboard ;-) but yeah you're right

  • Maxwell - 2011-06-14 14:51

    I’ve one wish I would wish that the South African Police Services retard from recruiting officers on the basis on a mere Matric. Watch America investigations on the DSTV Channel, Reality zone you would see skills, education plus intelligence being evinced until the perpetrators are brought to book no matter how long ago the crimes were committed. It’s a pity to see cases being thrown out of our courtrooms due to lack of evidence purportedly amassed by the investigating officer (police officer). At least the government should prescribe specific instructions in respect of prerequisites when recruiting these members, because not every officer is out there dealing with crowd control, some are busy gathering evidence and information to continue expediting the investigation.

  • Numsa - 2011-06-14 14:51

    @cervesi how can u insult me? i belong i nthis country u belong in europe go back please just because i dont spell or speak liek u u think yur clevearer than me VIVA

      Bloodbane - 2011-06-14 14:53

      @Numsa - there are lost of people birghter than you.... but it's not about that. it's about who you support and choose to follow... you choose to follow idiots we'll treat you like and idiot.

      Felix - 2011-06-14 15:08

      Please put more effort into your trolling, it's rather obvious.

      Lab-Rat - 2011-06-14 15:32

      Hehe, I'm willing to put my life savings on the fact that he is "clevearer" than you.

      mike - 2011-06-14 15:50

      wrong you belong back in the hole that you crawled out of

      marisa.cronje - 2011-06-14 17:01

      OK Numsa... take a look at this and tell me how bad zimbabweans and whites are compared to south african blacks mmm? http://www.news24.com/Galleries/Video/Videos/South%20Africa/Mob%20murder%20in%20Diepsloot/0210ab51d67e469f9b3cbae65c6d7394/Mob-murder If you have a hellish mind, you will always live in hell... nothing will save you.

  • Jackie - 2011-06-14 14:52

    Why would these people now be protesting? Do they not know that with them voting for the ANC, they are giving them a mandate to carry on as they have done for the past 17 years? People must be educated as to the meaning of their right to vote and what it ultimately means when they vote for any given party. If they were not happy with service delivery, as supplied by the ANC, why vote for them again? Ignorance or stupidity? Or maybe promises made that we all know will not be kept? Please people, before the next election, THINK before you vote. If you vote for the ANC, then things will stay the way it is right now and then I do not think that you should protest, as you have put these people in power, in effect saying that you approve what they do. That is what your vote means!

      mamakalami - 2011-06-14 15:31

      Jackie - the ANC is a direct creation of whites. If the whites did not create the Union of South Africa in 1910 to enfranchise whites - giving them complete political control over other race groups. Thus removing the right of blacks to sit in parliament, the ANC would never have been in existence in 1912. So stop complaining about the ANC – they are here to fix your selfish state of governance. They’ve learnt from you how business is done. Voting will not fix the state of corruption in this country it dates back to the establishment of the Republiek Van Zuid Afrika.

  • MacTheBoer - 2011-06-14 14:54

    Police must practice restraint. Until the protestors start destroying property or assaulting others. At that point the level of force necessary to restore order should be employed.

      Bloodbane - 2011-06-14 15:08

      @MacTheBoer - so what you are saying is police should not be pro active but only reactive.... when they see the twits dancing int he street and running at shops with bricks in their hands they should look the other way... wait until the brick is thrown.... tell me what if that brick is aimed at you... or one of your family members... should the police look the other way and wait for you to die before acting?

  • Virginia - 2011-06-14 14:56

    Its about time that the Police were put in the own barracks like before. Old airforce and military camps could be used for this, take them out if the townships where they are continuously shot at and killed and where they themselves can be away from the criminal influence and do their jobs as it should be done, looking after the citizens of this country.

  • Tsundzuka - 2011-06-14 14:57

    Let the racist comments begin

      Bloodbane - 2011-06-14 15:06

      they began the moment cosato started speaking

  • Kim - 2011-06-14 14:58

    As long as protestors behave like criminals they should be treated like criminals and the same goes for strikers.

  • Maxwell - 2011-06-14 14:58

    I’ve one wish I would wish that the South African Police Services retard from recruiting officers on the basis on a mere Matric. Watch America investigations on the DSTV Channel, Reality zone you would see skills, education plus intelligence being evinced until the perpetrators are brought to book no matter how long ago the crimes were committed. It’s a pity to see cases being thrown out of our courtrooms due to lack of evidence purportedly amassed by the investigating officer (police officer). At least the government should prescribe specific instructions in respect of prerequisites when recruiting these members, because not every officer is out there dealing with crowd control, some are busy gathering evidence and information to continue expediting the investigation.

  • Fanie - 2011-06-14 15:03

    Strikers in this country = criminal

  • Keith - 2011-06-14 15:04

    Maybe the protestors should stop acting like animals protest without causing damage first!!

  • gavmac - 2011-06-14 15:06

    Maybe the protestors should stop behaving like criminals...then they won't be treated as such!

  • Chris - 2011-06-14 15:07

    You are as dumb as the protesters.....Mr Sidumo Dlamini.

  • Heini - 2011-06-14 15:08

    Will get no sympathy from me, these 'protesters' loot, break, burn anything and everything they come across, never has it been done peacefully or within the law. The funniest thing is 'protesters' strike against the very same ANC they vote into power!! And although peaceful striking is a nice way to bring a point across, but you can't always get what you strike for, somewhere a line needs to be drawn! But what do i know, i live in a DA governed province, no such trouble here. So strike strike strike strike and in 2yrs time vote the corrupt ANC into power again. Talk about banana republic

  • frangelico - 2011-06-14 15:10

    @ Dlamini,every body has the right to protest,but when they become violent,trashing every thing insight,damage property not beloning to them is that not criminal?I bloodywell think it is.The police must take the neccerery steps to stop these thugs because that is what they are.You can not call them innocent of any crime I wish you can be in their path when they go on the rampage,then tell they are not criminals.

  • Gerrit - 2011-06-14 15:11

    As soon as the protesters stop behaving like criminals, and the police stop employing criminals!

  • epherb - 2011-06-14 15:12

    Intimidation and causing damage to property are criminal attributes. Nobody has the right to act in an unlawful manner. Cosatu uses people to further their own political agenda. Criminals need to be behind bars!

  • Numsa - 2011-06-14 15:12

    @Felix u are a trol watever that means, maybe it means a clevwe well informed black person so i nthat case i am hahahah u clown

      Bloodbane - 2011-06-14 15:14

      @Numsa does your monther know your playing with the grown ups.... play is over it's nap time now... night night

      Lab-Rat - 2011-06-14 15:39

      That's right numsa, it means you're a "clevwe well informed black person".

  • DebbyLou - 2011-06-14 15:15

    Protestors are criminals if they vandalise and taunt people who do not join in the protests! Protesting used to calm and civilised - not anymore - they intimidate, they burn tyres, block roads, that's being a criminal and therefore they should be treated as such!

  • Betsy - 2011-06-14 15:16

    The right to strike is one thing - it's not a license to stone the police, to loot and intimidate, and to burn down buildings!

  • Michelle - 2011-06-14 15:17

    Maybe if protesters didn't behave like criminals they wouldn't be treated as such!!

  • William - 2011-06-14 15:17

    @Bloodband. I told that you are just a moron. You live in the world of idiots. Why do think there is no God. You are short sighted.

      Bloodbane - 2011-06-14 15:20

      @William - actually my sight is very good... your brain however is not... need to lay of the drusg dude... tell me if I libe in the world of idiots and your in that world what does that make you?

      Bloodbane - 2011-06-14 15:21

      BTW it's Bloodbane. bane not band... at least get the name right... you can copy and paste it's easier....

      Lab-Rat - 2011-06-14 15:40

      I'll second what Bloodbane said. There is no god and you, William, might just be the one who is short sighted. Religion is half the problem with this country in the first place.

  • Matt - 2011-06-14 15:18

    I knew a shopkeeper in Pinetown years ago - every morning he swept his stoep outside the shop - then they had a big strike... they beat him up because he dared to sweep his stoep - all he said was that he didn't want them to empty all the trash cans on HIS stoep... Act decently, or else expect no sympathy from us!!! Oh and if you keep acting like thugs while "dimunding" 20% increase every year, while we WORK and can be grateful for 5%, we also won't give a right royal...

  • Sean - 2011-06-14 15:18

    Here's a quick newsflash for the Rocket surgeons at COSATU: If protesters are damaging private or public property then they are criminals. Here's a request from us, the law abiding members of society. Could protesters please stop protesting and instead voice your concerns through the official government representatives that you elected. If you do not get satisfaction then vote for a new party. That is how democracy works. Tou cannot keep voting for the same corrupt idiots from the ANC/SACP/COSATU alliance and then protest when you do not get all the freebies they promised you. Rather Vote for a party that will let you get a job.

  • lollie sue - 2011-06-14 15:19

    always protesting for what, they shld go back 2work, lazy ppl

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  • Michael Pitt - 2011-06-14 15:21

    if you protest violently or illegaly face the full wrath of the law .

  • Zion - 2011-06-14 15:21

    If a crime is committed during or as a result of a protest is it still classified as a crime.? It appears that if that were the case then your car can be set alight during a protest action and you have no recourse to the law. Or you shop can be looted and you must live with it.