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Cosatu's nationwide strike gets under way

2012-03-07 07:24

Johannesburg - The Congress of SA Trade Unions (Cosatu) nationwide protest against the e-tolling system and labour brokers is set to start on Wednesday morning.

Support has grown for the protest with labour unions and political parties pledging to join the marches.

Cosatu expected at least 100 000 people to take part in 32 marches across the country. The major event would take place in Johannesburg's central business district.

It also expected its provincial bodies, essential services workers, Eskom workers, teachers, pupils, and other unions to join the strike.

Support


On Wednesday, the Mpumalanga branch of the African National Congress Youth League said it supported the marches.

"The ANC Youth League of Mpumalanga and the entire brigade of young people across the province wishes to express its unwavering support to the march against labour brokering across all sectors of the government and the private sector," acting provincial secretary Clarence Maseko said.

The SA Students Congress said it supported the marches because they were consistent with its bias to the working class and the poor.

"We believe that both labour broking and the e-tolling system are products of a neo-liberal offensive by capital to accumulate at the expense of the South African working class," it said in a statement.

On Tuesday, Cosatu retracted its invitation to the Democratic Alliance to participate in Wednesday's marches.

Cosatu spokesperson Patrick Craven said members of all parties were welcome to join, but "we never invited any party leaders".

Schooling

Democratic Alliance leader Helen Zille said the party did not support Cosatu's call to ban labour brokers, and was opposed to the impact the protest could have on schooling.

Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi said strike action was being used sparingly as it was a huge sacrifice for workers to lose a day's wages.

He said that if the government went ahead with e-tolling on Gauteng freeways after the strike, Cosatu would organise more strikes or other "creative ways" to halt the system.

Vavi said embattled ANCYL president Julius Malema, would join the strike.

The department of basic education said that Wednesday was a normal school day and that teachers and pupils were expected to arrive for school as usual.

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Comments
  • Cast53 - 2012-03-07 07:33

    If people can strike it shows that they can afford to loose the money, so how bad can labour broking be if the people can afford to not earn wages for a day?

      Cast53 - 2012-03-07 08:14

      I just believe the should clearly seperate the 2 issues, I am against e-tolling, but do not believe the banning of labour brokers will help SA only leave thousands more unemployed

      Gungets - 2012-03-07 08:15

      Ohhh, Polio. The DA pulled out because they realise that banning Labour Broking will devastate the country. I use labour brokers because of the stupid, stupid Labour Laws that prevent me from hiring necessary labour (even highly skilled stuff) for short projects. If they ban labour brokers and try and force me to hire full time people I will simple shut that part of my business down. I will lose money but it is just not worth having permanent staff. The DA understands the implications, Cosatu (CosYouAreToe) does not. They will think up another way to blame business once the number of people standing on the side of the road quadruples. So will you.

      Marion - 2012-03-07 08:29

      Did anyone take the trouble to put a little poster in the rear window of their cars objecting to eToll if cant march but feel strongly about eTolling?

      Bluecrest - 2012-03-07 08:36

      @Poloyatonki... If you don't know wtf you are talking about, Shut Up!!! You have not made one comment on these forums that actually make sense. @Kraken... You hit the nail on the head!!!

      deabreu - 2012-03-07 08:36

      Labour brokerig is when a company is looking for temporary staff. What is the union's problem with that? If people don't want to work, they don't need to go through the brokers and can remain at home!! I think Cosatu is using the e-toll as an excuse to get support for a very stupid idea.

      David - 2012-03-07 08:47

      And for those of us who struggle with African languages the loose translation of todays toyitoyi chant is :- Doing the s$#tkickers waltz, doing the s$#tkickers waltz. It don't mean a hoot if there's s$#t on your boots when you're doing the s$#tkickers waltz. Down with Labour Brokers! Down with E toll. In fact down with all forms of work and give us everything for free!

      dewald.galjaard - 2012-03-07 09:06

      Marion I like your idea. Id get it if it'll make any difference?

      Marion - 2012-03-07 09:24

      @Truth24 - I just printed up an A4 page with big lettering on it saying NO eTOLL. Even if it is like passing wind in a thunderstorm, at least you will know that you let your voice be heard in the way best suited to you. People who had to work could even go line the streets at lunchtime with their little posters. One doesn't have to join a big march to make your voice heard and have the satisfaction of knowing that you didn't just talk.

      Bob - 2012-03-07 09:44

      Polly, labour broking is used because companies can't afford to employ losers that are protected by the ridiculous labour laws, speak to deabreu he knows what he's talking about.

      Frank - 2012-03-07 09:50

      Last weekend I drove in Joburg for the first time in 5 years. The roads are absolutely shocking. You guys living there must go through tyres and shocks faster than Malema goes through a bottle of Moet at ANCYL conventions. The highways are okay, its the streets in the neighbourhoods that are appalling. Not sure e-tolling is going to solve that problem..

      Jaba - 2012-03-07 10:25

      Marion - I HAVE DONE ONE MYSELF RIGHT NOW. LOL MY COMPUTER IS STILL ON CAPS LOCK ;) thank you for the idea!

      leonardus.breedt - 2012-03-07 13:59

      The labour brokers are bad news.The work is all ready there,but is cheaper and easy to go with a labour broker.Cheap labour is also a modern way off slavery.They know they have no rights at all, because off all the loop halls.POOR WORKERS.The people with this ideas are wrong.GET RID OFF THIS EVIL "LABOUR BROKERS"

      leonardus.breedt - 2012-03-07 14:15

      Gungets i am a supporter off the DA but they cant talk for me.If you want to close a business then do it don't threatening us please.If you close a business some body else will open that and that is business.Because off this anther people will get work.AND YOU CAN NOT TELL PEOPLE THEY ARE STUPID THAT IS DEFINITION OFF CHARACTER

  • Rochelle - 2012-03-07 07:35

    we are all affected be the E-Tolling system and every person rich or poor white or black were suppose to be part of this strike today. we had now the oppotunity to be united for the first time in South Africa and change history and show the govermant that they cant get away anymore by compromising south africans. i am one of the people that are at work and i am not happy at all for not being part of the strike.

      Simnikiwe - 2012-03-07 07:39

      at least you'll be there in spirit.

      Elle-Black - 2012-03-07 07:50

      @ Rochelle I agree 100% hopefully we will one day all come together and strike against the levels of crime and force the government to take notice becuase it's getting absurd.

      Gungets - 2012-03-07 08:35

      In 2 weeks time there is a march against crime. Join. Oh, and the same march will also be asking that Ministers salaries be tripled and their wives all drive Mercedes Benzes, but not to worry, everyone will know you are only there for anti-crime.

      Jaz - 2012-03-07 09:28

      If so many are not happy with the government then why vote them into power again an again? Is it better to cost the economy billions by striking? I'd rather strike for banning unions. They are the cancer that kills our economy. 20 Years after democracy and SA's employment figures looks no better. That considering that trade with SA has been opened and sanctions lifted. SCREW YOU ALL!

      theO rAcLe - 2012-03-07 10:40

      They will get their way with these E-Tolls, if not through us paying it, will be through a fuel increase so WTF this country is run by the wrong government.

      PB - 2012-03-07 11:32

      Gungets, you are brilliant!

      Ashuvha - 2012-03-07 11:52

      No jaz SCREW YOU. You have no sense of the economy.This is a democracy unions we'll never be banned.The economy is not struggling because of unions,it is struggling because South Africans lack the creativity to create new businesses and jobs.Without unions jobs in some sectors would not be protected.

  • miyo27 - 2012-03-07 07:35

    This is one of the few strikes that I will actually support. E-tolling is rubbish and labour brokering takes up positions that could be tunred into permanent positions. What I don't support is the disruptive behaviour and vandalism that goes on during these strikes. The cause I support, the mayhem I do not.

      pws69 - 2012-03-07 07:53

      Have you considered the CAUSE of the increase in the number of labour brokers - the Labour Laws? A change to the labour laws would result in a significant increase in employment, and a reduction in the need for labour brokers.

      PB - 2012-03-07 08:11

      pws69 - ABSOLUTELY!!!!! Cosatu is hanging the labour broker issue onto the e-toll one to be able to claim a much bigger support than is out there. The current labour laws are forcing employers to rather make do with less workers than give someone a chance to proof that they are willing and able to the job at hand.

      Cast53 - 2012-03-07 08:15

      In my opinion thousands of people will be unemployed if labour brokers gets banned, rather relax labour laws and regulate labour brokers.

      Gungets - 2012-03-07 08:23

      Miyo - Labour broking actually provides employment where people would otherwise be reluctant to use labour at all. I use brokers from time to time, for short project assignments up to a year, where if I employed someone it would be unaffordable to end employment after that time. If labour broking is banned, I just don't do those projects, simple. As it is, right now, I wcould find work for two other people for the next year but I am not. I just do it myself. I delay projects slightly and then work 16 hours a day to keep them under control. Nett result - people don't get employed. Ban labour brokers and I personally put 2 peopl eon the street IMMEDIATELY and never employ another. How is that helping?

      Ashuvha - 2012-03-07 08:48

      How can anyone with a brain say labour brokers exist because of labour laws?Labour brokers existed long before the country South Africa existed.jan van riebeeck was South Africa's first well know labour broker.

      Marion - 2012-03-07 08:54

      @Ashuvha - During the week a guy commented on the fact that he was tied into a two-year contract and couldn't wait to get out of it. As I understand it, employees of labour brokers must be moved within three months in order to avoid the employee being considered a permanent employee of the client company using his/her skills. Like playing chinese checkers.

      Ashuvha - 2012-03-07 09:02

      Marion That is exactly the problem,labour laws are trying to keep up with such people to avoid exploitation,but they are always ahead after the laws take a long time to be debated and changed.People will do anything to protect profits.Even clothing manufacturers from China and Taiwan come in to our country and regularly come on TV and tell us that to relax labour laws and we'll see more employment.Do we really want the kind of employment China calls employment?

      Gungets - 2012-03-07 09:05

      Ashuvha - nonsense. PLain and simple nonsense. Race has nothing to do with who I employ from labour brokers. Their skills are what I look for, not colour. A lot of the folk I employ regularly would work no other way. They love short assignments, then they travel for 3 - 6 months, come back and get another 6 - 9 month assignment. They like it, it suits me perfectly. Apparently the only people who don't like it is you and Cosatu. I would get Bryce and Anil to respond here as well but they are currently between assignments and both working as ski instructors in Aspen, USA, for 5 months during the US winter. They return at the end of May, to work for the labour broker again.

      Layla - 2012-03-07 09:20

      You have no idea what you're talking about. Labour Brokers do not take up positions that can be turned into permanent positions. A lot of companies cannot afford to take the time to search for appropriate candidates who will be placed temporarily with them when they for instance have a female employee who needs to go on maternity leave and they must have someone in that position during her absence. Many other companies such as manufacturing companies, require labour forces only for certain periods of the year due to orders they receive etc. Do you seriously expect a company to employ 50 people permanently that they only have work for 2 months out of the year? So they should carry the cost of having employees that they do not have work for? Do you know what that results in? RETRENCHMENT! Labour Brokers do not just specialise in Temporary Positions either. There are a lot of them who place people in Permanent Positions as well so before you are against something, perhaps you should find out more information on who they are and what they do.

      Ashuvha - 2012-03-07 11:00

      gungets The picture you tried to paint of labour brokering is unfortunately not what the majority of workers go thourgh in this country,most are not working on short assignments as ski instructors,most are at the level were they are exploited and disrespected.Most are not more than slaves,most are locked in contracts,it is modern day slavery not paradise like you are saying.I asure you it's not only me and COSATU who hate it.Only those who are the beneficiaries would not hate it.

      PB - 2012-03-07 13:02

      Ashuvha, it is a catch 22 situation. If you were an employer who have a need for extra workers for a specific period - would you risk the job security of the whole company and all it's workers by locking the business into full time contracts with a couple of workers? The current labour laws are a great deterrent to employers - the need for labour brokers exist because there are people like you who would rather go toy-toying than get the work done. On both sides there are unscrupelous people. As far as Cosatu goes - unless a union official isn't stirring trouble, he is not seen as doing anything for his members.

      Ashuvha - 2012-03-07 14:51

      pb What do you mean people like me who would rather go toy-toying than get the work done.Do you know what kind of work I do?How did you come to the conclusion that my work is not done?

  • Fidel - 2012-03-07 07:43

    People’s politics can be found in the form of resistance in the street and elsewhere not in parliament. COSATU is defending rights(Labour Brokerage) that had been won in long and hard struggles which are now under severe attack. The counter-revolution is undoing all of the social and economic gains won through popular struggle and resistance. Since 1994, South Africa has become a paradise of profiteers, both black and white. In this global environment where raw global unfettered capatialism is on the march the price that would be exacted for this effort will seemingly be enormous. And South African students are going to learn more in a day of participation in social struggle than they could learn in a year of going to class.

      Jaz - 2012-03-07 09:53

      Yeah, like the resistance efforts in the other African dungholes have really catapulted them into the limelight. For all the right reasons I might add.

      Martin - 2012-03-07 10:51

      "South African students are going to learn more in a day of participation in social struggle that you could learn in a year of going to class" - probably the most irresponsible and short-sighted sentence I've read in ages. How dare you say something like that in a country where education is a major issue. If you want to find people who are going to escape poverty, go look in you local library, schools and universities...they are there, sitting behind desks and books. You are cheating the youth out of an education and future with that view. Get it together.

      Garth - 2012-03-07 11:26

      Fido - you just do not get it do you? Socialism failed, completely and utterly and will always fail just so long as human beings possess their own brains, regardless of what Chomsky or the others state in their well-versed but absolutely impractical and totally inapplicable works. `The counter-revolution is undoing all of the social and economic gains won through popular struggle and resistance.': You swallow a marxist/leninist handbook? `And South African students are going to learn more in a day of participation in social struggle than they could learn in a year of going to class.' What ever else you are, what ever else you ever state, this one statement places your ignorance of reality and inexperience of the real world on display for all to see.

      Ashuvha - 2012-03-07 12:01

      but jaz you are the biggest dunghole today,your mouth smells.

      Jaz - 2012-03-07 16:23

      Nope it's your Ashuvha that smells - pull your head out of it. Pity you never saw Zim, Kenya Mozambique etc. before their (ahem!)revolutions. Then you would understand why they are all flocking to SA. Beautiful countries once, with working infrastructures - now, not so much. Visit Mozambique for a holiday - maybe you will understand then where we are headed if people like you don't wake up.

  • pws69 - 2012-03-07 07:45

    "On Tuesday, Cosatu retracted its invitation to the Democratic Alliance to participate in Wednesday's marches." Was this before or after the DA said they would not join the strike, preferring to go the legal route? These COSATU clowns are dishonest in the extreme. No wonder they are part of the ANC alliance. Thick as thieves, the lot of them.

      Helmut - 2012-03-07 08:03

      The e-tolling protest is only a red herring. Vavi knows Cosatu will not get the numbers he claims if they only march against labout brokers, which are at present the only part ofthe economy that provides and creates jobs! it therefore is logical that they have to be closed down to make sure we have more people in the streets! Whatever helps to speed up the ruining of the country is good enough for these clowns!

      Garth - 2012-03-07 11:32

      Typical useless, worthless anc/cosatu/sacp rhetoric. `Actually, we extended the hand of partnership, but if you do not wish to take it, then we actually did not extend it at all.' And the shame, the crying shame is, that their are people out there that believe these words and believe in these incompetent twisters of truth and reality. `The truth is secondary to the struggle - aloota continua'

  • Sidney Gilroy - 2012-03-07 07:50

    When there is dissatisfaction with train services...the trains are burned down. Lets do the same with the e-Tol Offices and some paintball guns aimed accurately could render those cameras they intend to use worthless ornaments.

      Hunter - 2012-03-07 08:24

      You need to be a above average marksman to hit those with a paintball gun, but it would be fun trying!

      VaMbozha - 2012-03-07 09:20

      we can use SAPS to hit the cameras...ummm they will miss and shoot the planes ha ha ha

  • Anthony - 2012-03-07 07:53

    on the road to no where

      Simnikiwe - 2012-03-07 08:02

      Wrong, on the road to e-tolling freedom in our lifetime.

      Art - 2012-03-07 08:10

      That is the National Anthem for South Africa... "We're on the road to nowhere".... (Talking Heads)

      Art - 2012-03-07 08:11

      Or is it ..." We're on the road to PAY THERE" ???? ROFLMAO!!!

      Gungets - 2012-03-07 08:25

      Simni - there will be no roads unless they toll. Get a donkey, it will be the only thing that will be able to negotiate the paths.

      Gungets - 2012-03-07 08:31

      By way of explanation. a single normally loaded 18-wheeler truck causes the same wear and tear on the roads as 50,000 (yes 50 THOUSAND) cars. Makes the head spin, doesn't it. A truck overloaded by 30 tons (it happens all the time) multiplies that by 10 - 500,000 cars (1/2 a MILLION). So, if you want to protest something, protest that fact that heavy transport is being subsidised by each and every car. Trucks never pay for the damage they cause, either in tolls or in licensing. So - fix Transnet. Fix the railways so that 3/4 of these trucks are taken off the roads and back onto tracks where it is much cheaper to transport and saves the roads. March for that, then I am there. But make the march against road costs AND labour broking and I withdraw.

      theO rAcLe - 2012-03-07 10:50

      We will pay E-Tolls be it through the proposed way or through fuel increases, WE WILL PAY.

  • Mhlonso - 2012-03-07 07:54

    Democracy means the rule of the people. If the masses are not happy then how the masses are going to vote next elections? Voting is more powerfull then marching. People still behave like we are ruled by a monarchy which can not be charged. There is no point in crying and then vote in the same people/party back.

      TBlogger - 2012-03-07 08:23

      Could not agree with you more..

      colin.dovey - 2012-03-07 09:25

      Yours @Mhlonso, is THE most sensible suggestion on this forum today. THAT is what our votes are all about. By marching, people lose their own cash.....the Union Bosses still get paid a FAT salary, march or not!

      JohhnyBGood - 2012-03-07 12:14

      @Mhlonso, the problem is that come the next election day, 'the people' will still vote cANCer and then complain soon after the food parcel was eaten and the T-shirt has faded.

  • Stan - 2012-03-07 08:10

    wish I could join them... I have a flight to catch

  • Willie - 2012-03-07 08:12

    The strike should be about the disbandment of the alliace 'cause there is no longer good purpose to have this alliance. Lines should be drawn clearly now.What is happenning now is just a joke actually Vavi should be disciplined by the anc for organising marches against the decisions of the mother body.

  • Jannie - 2012-03-07 08:20

    polidonkey has againposted his usual KRAP !!

  • Marion - 2012-03-07 08:35

    I have medical problems that prohibit me from being at the strike even though I would have loved to show my support in this fight by joining in. However, my health didn't stop me from putting an A4 poster in rear window of our car to say NO eToll. I will also endeavour to go stand on the corner of a nearby main road with my own little poster objecting to them. Those with company cars will have the tolls paid for by their companies just as their petrol is paid for by their companies. They don't give a s**t about the rest of us in my opinion cos it won't affect them directly.

  • nishan.sitlu - 2012-03-07 08:46

    Is there any march that the ANCYL does not support? Marching is all they do!

      njdejager - 2012-03-07 09:55

      Its all they CAN do!!!

  • Noelle - 2012-03-07 08:49

    this is one strike I want to be apart of! I think the tolls are a joke!! We cough up enough for government and now they want u to PAY MORE! NO! Go strike, as I will not pay anymore!!

  • leonardus.breedt - 2012-03-07 08:50

    The labour brokers are not right.First this are cheap labour with no rights.Second the worker can not open accounts and have no security at all.A labour broker thing is evil.WHY.??? Because this is bad for the economics of this country and this is a modern way of slavery.

      Ashuvha - 2012-03-07 08:55

      You are right and some people want to blame labour laws.Let those who speak against labour laws succeed in influencing government to remove those laws,they will be the ones crying.Everybody must be regulated to avoid abuse.Remember when the beret police were given too much power they abused it,the same will happen if employers are given the right to do whatever they want.

      Malcolm - 2012-03-07 09:48

      What absolute drivel. The pay matches the job description and has nothing to do with "labour broking" - we hired programmers through a labour broker, the monthly salaries were well into the 5 digit range... Should these people now not have jobs just because you are ignorant? (We would never hire these same people long term as they just aren't a good long term investment - they are not capable enough) If they can't open accounts then this is a problem with the places who issue the accounts, it has nothing to do with the actual concept. PS - opening accounts is generally a bad idea anyway, so I'm not so sure this is such a bad thing.

      leonardus.breedt - 2012-03-07 13:21

      First a labour brokers didn't creahate work.The work is all ready there.The bushiness people have work but, they don't want the responsibility of the workers.If the boss don't like you, then you must go if hes right or wrong.The poor worker have no rights and the unions can do nothing to help the worker.LABOUR BROKERS MUST GO

      leonardus.breedt - 2012-03-07 13:39

      Malcolm you are so wrong.You want just to make money out of people this all.Why you don't hire business people if you don't want people to work permanent for you?I can tell you,you want to tell them boo and baa.That means they have no rights with you and you are scared of the labour law.

  • Malose - 2012-03-07 08:54

    I am perturbed by some of the comments that do not support the burnning of labour brokers. We all know how much young graduates are exploited by labour brokers. Those people use others to enrich themselves. you can only disagree with this if you are running a broker yourself. As for the e-tolling system,the gorvenment is just undermining us. LETS GO OUT THERE IN NUMBERS AND SUPPORT COSATU. THIS IS FOR OUR BENEFIT. ONE WAY OR ANOTHER

      Darryl - 2012-03-07 09:08

      Would do that Malose but you know as well as I do that there will be the same crap happening at the march, intimidation, violence, looting e.t.c. it is already being reported that there was intimidation! Sadly the rabble / mob is mostly made up of militants who know nothing else other than anarchy. If you want better roads then it needs to be paid for - Africa has a concept of handouts and this is why it is failing!

      gerald.steyn - 2012-03-07 09:14

      Malose, you are obviously regurgitating something you heard somewhere else, probably out of Vavi's mouth. Where are these young graduates that are being exploited by the Labour Brokers? I don't know about them so obviously we don't all know!!!

      Martin - 2012-03-07 11:00

      I'm a young graduate, and so are all my friends, and their sisters and brothers, and my classmates, and...well, lets say I know a couple of hundred young graduates. Not one is being exploited by a labour broker.

  • Ben - 2012-03-07 08:57

    Actually for this one. E-tolling sucks and labour brokers are scumbags feeding of the poor.

  • Pharaoh Malope - 2012-03-07 08:59

    Go work Polidonkey, working hard but not smart like the donkey you are. I so wish you loose your job and get hired by labour brokers, see if the peanuts they will be paying you can absorb the shocks from e-tolling system!

  • Stack - 2012-03-07 09:01

    my staff have been threatened and chased away from work. They threatened our office staff with physical harm and told us they will be back this afternoon and we had better not be here - "before the end of the day you will be crying!"

      Darryl - 2012-03-07 09:10

      This is why a march means nothing - it is not a volutary act, it is intimidation and a type of extortion.

      MSGRule - 2012-03-07 09:13

      Thats why most of the marches strikes are BS. If everyoen was left alone there would hardly be strikes and economy crippeling movements.

      Martin - 2012-03-07 11:01

      I hope you phoned the police.

      Stack - 2012-03-07 14:22

      We did Martin at 7 am. By 9 they still weren't here and at 2.21 pm they still aren't here. Granted there was a shooting in Meadowdale down the road from us so i think they had their hands full. We have sent everyone home for their own safety !

  • Natalie - 2012-03-07 09:17

    How badly are Durban commuters affected by this strike???As we have staff that rely on public transport.....

      Martin - 2012-03-07 11:08

      As far as I know public transport is running rather smoothly in Durban. We have a full compliment of staff today in Cape Town did not have to make any special arrangements. I've spoken to our employees, and they agree with our use of labour brokers. We are not currently directly affected by e-tolling as our roads in Cape Town are in pretty good shape due to some top notch governance. We might feel pinch a bit later, but we'll make some extra money and deal with it.

  • Pharaoh Malope - 2012-03-07 09:21

    Mhlonso disagreeing with the ANC on policy issues and economic agenda does not translate to end of marriage. The Alliance was not formed on ballot but through blood sweat and triumph and its roots are deeper than you may comprehend. The working class will continue to engage the ANC robustly and revolutionary if necessary but the marriage is nowhere near ending. If you believe in divorce as way of solving indeferences then the majority doesn't share same sentiments unfortunately.

      Mhlonso - 2012-03-07 09:59

      Unfortunately my friend that what makes me sick of African politics. People follow like sheep. The blind loyalty is appalling. I for one think the E-toll was done without public consultation because they knew it would be difficult to get away with it so they just went ahead and decided they will apologize and ask everybody to obey the law. R20 Billion lost last year and counting. R16 Billion lost in 2010. Pharaoh Malope what are you saying sir? One eyed man is a king in the land of the blind? Are we blind?

      Archie - 2012-03-07 10:21

      Most ministers in parliament (ANC)are communist members so in reality the SACP runs the country.The ANC is just window dressing for the voters who generally wont vote communist.Listen to the speeches ,comrade/cadre/proleteriat/working class.They are stuck in 1960 .Sorry boet you have been eyeblinded.The mantra about DA being for whites only is wearing thin,we are for all voters in RSA and we have been against this e toll since the beginning.Think, 40c a liter onto the fuel bill and this would have been paid for soon.Now 80% in every rand goes out the country for years,makes you think.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-07 11:12

      @Mhlonso. The biggest fear is that the politicians start seeing it as a % of the national budget and than believe that it is still low and therefore becomes an acceptance. Even if it is 5 to 10 % it is a hell of a lot of money. The next thing is going to be to control this now "acceptable" fact not to get to high. When accepting something, that should have never been there, is to lower the standards to enable one to reach it. Never mind if it is nothing and only just caring the name "standards". People in this country blinded themselves for short term gains and let them self's be lead through using dividing factors.

  • Gauteng - 2012-03-07 09:24

    People when are we going to be united on this issue of e-tolling as this affects every one in this country more especially gauteng and western cape"...let stop pointing fingers to each other Africans or Europeans let's be all united blacks an whites,orange and greeen. Away with e-tolling systems.

  • sizwe - 2012-03-07 09:30

    Today South Africa takes the first prize in terms of being the most unequal society in the world. The richest decile is earning about 94 times more than the poorest decile. Africans, who constitute 79, 4% of the population, account for 41, 2% of the household income from work and social grants, whereas whites, who account only for 9, 2% of the population, receive 45, 3% of income. The poorest 10% of the population share R1, 1 billion whilst the riches 10% share R381 billion. Our country is trapped in a developmental paradigm that has simply reproduced these conditions for 18 years now. I tend to agree with Vavi here he does make a valid point, something has to give

      Darryl - 2012-03-07 09:53

      And 97.47% of all statistics are made up on the spot. But I get what you are trying to say - so what is the answer? How would you solve the problem? Remember that this problem exists throughout 3rd world countries - you would be ignorant to think that this is only an African problem - I challenge you to have a look at India, China, Brazil e.t.c. the disparity between rich and poor is ridiculous - it is NOT a race issue, it is much more complicated than that. Do you honestly think that if all the whites left South Africa that the problems would be solved - are you honestly that ignorant?

      Omnivore - 2012-03-07 10:03

      Agreed and I support Cosatu's cause this time - it is the very poorest and unskilled who are exploited the most, not just by labour brokers by politicians as well - when it suits them. I love it when they bite the hand that holds the leash. Why would the ANC allow such an exploitative practice in the 1st place? Regulatory legislation should have been put place ages ago. Now here we are, subjected to another unruly mass action event. Marches are not good for SA. Watch as the people litter the streets, break windows and burn vehicles. Mobs are almost always a bad thing because the bad apples will ruin it for everyone, every time. They are destructive to the economy, property and also to the general morals of society. Something has to give, yes, but let's hope it is for the better. History has shown time and again that the only true solution for success is have skills, discipline and to be competitive. The Afrikaners had to learn this too - after the Boer war they were uneducated, placed little value on education and most lived in rural areas. The government at the time had a difficult task getting them educated and employed, but it paid off eventually. Shamefully, black SA'cans were left behind. The ANC today is facing a similar challenge - they are trying to build a stable and prosperous country and they appear to be taking the long term view, which is good. Sadly they lack focus and have failed us on many fronts - in terms of education alone, we have lost at least a decade.

      Omnivore - 2012-03-07 10:22

      The current situation did come about because of race based inequality. Many black people think that whites are somehow hogging too much of the pie and that they are being denied their fair share. I can see why they would feel this way but truth is that whites or no whites, uneducated masses of people will remain poor and miserable unless they are made employable AND industry creates the jobs. This is what the US did a hundred years ago. It is what Japan, Korea and Singapore did. More recently, China and India have begun the process. The poor in the rest of Africa are generally even more poor than in SA because those countries do not have the means to jump start their economies. In SA we do have the means. We must say no to the politics of polarisation. Greedy politicians only use us as weapons against each other so as to increase their own personal piece of the pie. Instead of working against each other, SAcans of all backgrounds should be encouraged and inventivised to make a positive contribution through mutual respect.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-07 10:55

      @s1zwe. I admire that you try to implement figures and % in your point, but being a kind person, I will strongly advising you not to deal literally with it and neither leave out divisional brake downs. As well as apply levels while working through dimensions. Yes, your calculation make sense to you up till 2nd or maybe even 3rd phase, but than you apply it while short of, at least, another 2 to 3 phases. No, I cant help you. I do not have the time. The article is not going to be available for so long and I am tired of doing freebies for people that already made up there minds.(not saying you are one) Your idea could have worked and is noble, but your use and reflexion is falling short. Please stay on trying. It is good for the brain. Just not state it publicly before it was not done correctly.

  • Fenderbender - 2012-03-07 09:35

    Now to sit back and watch the cities burn, what a country !

  • Linda - 2012-03-07 09:44

    Reason that labour broking exist is to take away employees benefits such medical aid, pension funds, fair treatment etc. We all know how brokered employees are treated, first time offender equal to immediate dismissal without mitigations etc. I full support cosato on this issue, E-tolling, do we need it when we pay for almost anything, how about using petrol levies to settle the outstanding debts, and why was this tender given to a foreign company?

  • Pharaoh Malope - 2012-03-07 10:02

    Now sit back and watch the masses taking away your bread earned through abuse and exploitation of workers you heartless Labour Broker! Watch the masses take away your looting/embezzlement opportunity you corrupt politician! The masses have a clear agenda and will not be distracted with your desperate attempt to mislead them with your unfounded notions!

      trublu1873 - 2012-03-07 10:40

      Pharaoh, you are what I classify as a first hand dickhead..

  • DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-07 10:03

    The last news I listening to was that the DA except and was planning to take part, even if not agreeing with both points, but Cosatu had internal problems with the invite and than they withdrew it. Vavi himself was doing it. Sometimes one must listen to the news and not only rely on what you have last red on the web.

      Pharaoh Malope - 2012-03-07 10:09

      Who is your news source?

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-07 10:59

      Was on e-news last night.

  • Pharaoh Malope - 2012-03-07 10:35

    Mhlonso the ANC like any other political organization has internal/national problems and is constantly dealing with issues of mismanagement and corruption. Hence the suspension/expulsion of public servants and political elements accused/found guilty of misconduct/crime. People like you are leaving the movement thinking it is the right, sane thing to do. Look at Cope as one example of many. Since its formation Cope exhibited all form of mismanagement and corruption. Leaving the mother body is a pointless exercise worse it weakens and tries to reverse our democratic gains. Name any party that is clear on agenda and policy you know of in SA? I will personally give the ANC my unconditional but critical support until a majority black-led political party with a clear agenda and policy, principled and ready to serve surface. By projection I don't see that happening in my life time and don't believe there can be such an ideal party.

  • Allan - 2012-03-07 10:37

    why does this forum always have to be Black vs White, for goodness sake man! I agree that we all have an opinion regarding various issues, however debate the issues and the the colour. Labour brokers are the core of employment in this country and should earn the repect they deserve. How many people would be sitting at in poverty (black and white) , should the labour brokers be banned. I have no comment on the E-tolling system. @Avula, your comment "Typical white,they are fighting for your freedom,so that the government doesn't take all of your money,don't be stupid.They are fighting for you to afford life and you spit in their faces.The same under apartheid some of you couldn't even fart,now you can enjoy pornography and gambling thanks to their efforts" --is completely STUPID, you must have a brain the size of a mustard seed!

      Omnivore - 2012-03-07 10:44

      Labour brokers do enable corporations to exploit people. You must be blind not to see this.

      Martin - 2012-03-07 11:12

      @Omnivore: May I ask you what you do for a living?

      Pharaoh Malope - 2012-03-07 11:28

      Dear Allan, kindly share with us how labour brokers create employment for the people working under their contracts. My layman understanding is that employment/positions exist in institutions because of specific industrial needs. Those positions will exist even after the ban of labour brokers because their establishment and existence is independent of labour brokers. Unless you use your intellect to show us how they will become extinct by banning of labour brokers.

  • Mohsin - 2012-03-07 11:23

    IM ALL FOR THE MARCH AGAINST E-TOLLS BUT NOT FOR THE BANNING OF LABOUR BROKERS

  • Pharaoh Malope - 2012-03-07 11:59

    Trueblu1873 would you please engage me on an intellectual level? I don't take serious people who argue through insults without facts/well thought researched opinions. You are contributing ONLY junk here! Please suppress your ambitions of making a point here if you are clueless about the issues discussed. Get updated information so your participation can build a nation. But if mental disability is what's hindering you then seek professional help and refrain from exposing yourself here!

  • shaheen.matthews - 2012-03-07 12:28

    This blady strike is causing inflation increases, cos they want more money for their labour and that cost gets passed on to the consumer by the companies to produce the goods and services.

  • shaheen.matthews - 2012-03-07 12:30

    These blady strikes cause inflation!!!! The government is run terribly ( corrrrrupt to the max ) and cant control groups of people.. pure poo

  • Pharaoh Malope - 2012-03-07 13:52

    Leonardus you have the wisdom to realize the fact most people overlook. The employment that keeps the functioning of Labour Brokers going and workers exploited is NOT created by Labour Brokers, so how can it cease to exist when Labour Brokers are made history? Increased unemployment as a result of banning Labour Brokers is an illusion and a misguided projection.

  • monkinsane - 2012-03-07 15:28

    I for one support COSATU's strike. How the hell else are we supposed to make the goverment listen - they just do as they please no matter the outcries from the public. Hurt their pockets and maybe they'll start paying attention.

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