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DA condemns defacing of 'iconic' painting

2012-05-22 19:16

Johannesburg - The defacing of a painting in a Johannesburg gallery depicting President Jacob Zuma with exposed private parts, was widely condemned on Tuesday.

DA spokesperson Dene Smuts described the painting as "iconic" and a brilliant work of political satire.

"South Africa has been descending for some time into a censorious mind-set that is taking us further and further away from the free speech which is fundamental to our democracy," she said.

"If the President feels that his dignity has been impugned, he should sue Murray for damages as he is suing the cartoonist Zapiro."

Applying to court to shut down the exhibition was unjustifiable censorship, she said.

The Moral Regeneration Movement said it had noted "with grave concern" the public debate surrounding the artwork.

"This portrait has evoked a reaction we have not witnessed in years. Many people have been shocked, angered and outraged by what is perceived as an assault on the personal integrity of President Jacob Zuma," said spokesperson Smangaliso Mkhatshwa in a statement.

Implied within the right to freedom of speech and expression was the obligation to respect the rights of others, he said, adding: "Not all legally correct actions are morally acceptable."

Culture

The least one could do was to respect the office of the President, said Mkhatshwa.

He said artists should understand that culture and social traditions played an important role in understanding and appreciating their art. African culture accorded special respect for leaders.

"Could it be that the Brett Murray saga is a wake-up call to black people to take their culture seriously?" he asked.

"Whilst we have the numbers, we have allowed the culture of the minorities to set the national culture agenda."

Nevertheless, the MRM did not excuse the actions of those who defaced the portrait, Mkhatswa said.

The Azanian People's Organisation (Azapo) said it did not condone the painting, but found its defacing repugnant.

"We call on law enforcement agencies to act swiftly on those who have allegedly defaced the painting in the Goodman Gallery this morning (Tuesday) in Johannesburg," said deputy spokesperson Funani ka Ntontela.

"We cannot afford to go back to the old ways where members and supporters of the ANC are not happy with their political opponents resort to criminality."

'Racial tinge'

The Freedom of Expression institute (FXI) said it supported the Goodman Gallery in refusing to remove the picture.

"During the apartheid era, Michaelangelo's statue of David caused a controversy when displayed in a shop window and there were calls for David's nakedness to be covered by a figleaf," it said.

The fact that the painting annoys or offends some people was no reason to seek to remove it.

The test of a country's integrity was its tolerance of expression which caused offence or anger, the institute said.

"We are horrified by the possibility that artwork might not be displayed in a gallery because it causes discomfit in the ruling party."

While it was healthy to debate tolerance, culture, race and repression, the debate had sometimes "taken on a racial tinge".

The FXI said it hoped the courts would defend the artist's right to free expression and the right of creative workers to provoke discussions of this sort.

"We urge the ANC to criticise, even to condemn the work if they wish, to engage in the issues it raises, but not pursue charges or court action which will amount to a bid to censor."

Media

However, different standards applied to media which had reproduced the painting, because of the sensitivity of certain audiences.

"More care has to be exercised where a publication is a newspaper entering homes where young children are present," the FXI said, calling for skilful treatment from editors.

The institute spoke out strongly against a church leader who called for the artist to be banned and stoned.

"The intolerance of such a statement is reminiscent of the worst of apartheid, and the threat of violence totally inappropriate in a constitutional democracy," it said.

Black suspect

The ANC said that while it could not condone any action which was not legal, it equally did not condone the assault of a suspect who was black.

"It is very contrasting and concerning that another suspect, who happens to be a white South African, was not assaulted but was treated with dignity as he was arrested," the party said in a statement.

"Perhaps it is this type of behaviour on the part of Goodman Gallery and its security that might need to be further explained."

The party said the indecency, disrespect and indignity characteristic of the painting had the potential to reverse the healing of wounds inflicted by apartheid and colonialism.

Three people were being held on Tuesday for alleged offences relating to the painting.

Two of them allegedly defaced the picture with red and black paint, obscuring the face and waist of the figure.

A third was arrested for apparently trying to spray the word "respect" on a wall of the Goodman Gallery.

Colonel Vishnu Naidoo confirmed the arrests.

"The two men, 58 and 25 years of age, allegedly made crosses with red paint and smeared black paint respectively on the portrait."

Earlier, the gallery's attorney said the second person was believed to be a 15-year-old.

Full Bench

The arrests came within an hour of the South Gauteng High Court in Johannesburg setting down an application by the ANC to have the painting removed from the gallery for hearing by a full Bench on Thursday morning.

The Film and Publication Board will take submissions on Tuesday night from parties, including the gallery, as it reacts to complaints and decides whether the painting should be classified.

Spokesperson for the board, Prince Mlimandlela Ndamase, said it would go ahead in spite of Tuesday's turn of events, because images of the original picture were still widely available on the internet.

Comments
  • Mummy - 2012-05-22 19:26

    Maybe the white guy didnt resist arrest?M

      Lebzadikgetsi - 2012-05-22 19:30

      So did the black guy

      jmlongwe - 2012-05-22 19:42

      Since when does resisting arrest give the other guy to hit him? You have been brainwashed

      Mthetheleli - 2012-05-22 19:47

      WATCH THE FOOTAGE , BLACK MAN DIDNT RESIST ALSO.

      craiqpayne - 2012-05-22 20:18

      White.. Black.. Green HULK SMASH!!! Get over yourself people!

      Hugh_Influence - 2012-05-22 21:18

      How can it be racist if it was a black guy head butting another black guy? Who cares - the security suck anyway because those two had a whole 2 minutes to deface the painting before they woke up.

      Irene - 2012-05-22 22:14

      @Diego ~ Shame, seems you have 'racist' on your mind. It's 'resist' - huge difference but then it's to be expected from someone with a tiny mind.

      darryl.maze1 - 2012-05-23 08:42

      How can it be racist???? It was black on black, so please tell me how it was racist?? Thats all you bloody ANC think about. If it was a white security guy head butting a black person we would not hear the end of it and then apartheid would be blamed and brought into it and blah blah blah blah blah.

      Raymond - 2012-05-23 10:08

      The point is, the black dude was apprehended by a black dude. The white dude was apprehended by a white dude. Notice the difference?

  • Crracker - 2012-05-22 19:26

    Dignity is fine. But not as a defense against scrutiny if you enter public life. Your susceptibility to public scrutiny comes with the territory and privileges. If you don't like it retire back to your obscurity. We need to know the characters of our leaders. To use so-called dignity can so easily build up to the kind of situation we see in Swaziland and in Zimbabwe. Rather have a situation erring in favour of our freedoms and democracy than a wall of privacy and so-called dignity shielding the holders of power and which they can abuse to protect themselves. Ultimately it should not be about the high flyers. They can look after themselves. What about the ordinary people? They have NO protections against the high flyers except the power of scrutiny and transparency. Supported by the Constitution.

      Ashimizo - 2012-05-22 19:36

      and how does his penis become a matter of public scrutiny?

      Crracker - 2012-05-22 20:22

      @ Ashimizo That is an issue that should be clarified with the protagonist. Whether we like it or not the organ exposed in the painteing is central to the assessment of him in probably 99% of the population that has been exposed to the news and history so far. The artist did definitely not have the subject as a model for the painting. That organ as exhibited in the painting is a representation (much more than even a plain symbol)of how the leader of this country is viewed. The painting simply expresses what the vast majority (ANC or otherwise) experience in their inner world when they consider the nature of the subject. Let's not be naive about the opportunism and gap taking that are now taking place. So much more secrets to keep safe. So, use dignity and privacy as the excuses to close the access routes to the information. We ALL know it.

      Diego - 2012-05-22 21:32

      ya right get off your high horse. Everyone has a job and a private life. if you're in the public domain they don't own you at the end of the day. It's amazing how we as the public expect the people in the public eye to get no special privileges because they are in the public domain. But we expect them to have no private life because they are in the public domain. This is not fair. No one wrote the rules on how public figures should behave this notion has been misused by the media to further their dirty agendas. DA(Disguised Apartheid) runs the media it is now clear.

      Merven - 2012-05-24 10:18

      @Ashimizo- the taxpayer pay for his penis's 'pleasures'.

  • dave.leverton - 2012-05-22 19:26

    "images of the original picture were still widely available on the internet". - And they will remain there for eternity and nothing can be done about it.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-22 19:33

      Hope you enjoy your invalid victory.

      Raymond - 2012-05-23 08:40

      Sam, worst of all, one of his very few FB friends in the one and only, Fat Tsotsi baby.....

      YrHonour - 2012-05-23 10:42

      @Tamaranui - 100% correct

  • charmaine.paterson1 - 2012-05-22 19:27

    I see images of the ANC supporters and I realise that they are quite right, there are huge cultural differences in this country.

  • Kolobe - 2012-05-22 19:27

    where was this da before the defacing

      Gordon - 2012-05-22 19:34

      does it make a difference to you?

      Kolobe - 2012-05-22 19:51

      what do you think big brain?

      Paul - 2012-05-22 19:52

      Duh...idiot!

      John - 2012-05-23 00:11

      Behind a move trying to get textbooks for poor pupils - don't you think that is more worthy than bothering over a painting and spending millions on litigation?

  • Pacific - 2012-05-22 19:28

    This bloody anc is a sour bunch! No sense of humour, even if the president is a joke! Wherever I travel in the world people always mention what a fool he is!

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-22 19:32

      Yeah, we will take your word on that............NOT.

      Diego - 2012-05-22 21:49

      @pacific it's amazing how people claim to be travelling on this forum. Only to find they are travelling to their racist relatives who also come from SA who think Zuma is a clown because they are as stupid as the idiot that is visiting them. then they and write on this forum about it. The world has got serious issues to worry about I bet they don't even know SA they only know Mandela. go F yourself

      Kirsten - 2012-05-23 12:48

      Tamaranui and Diego... there's this old technology (new to you) called google. if you type there... news report UK zuma or netherlands reprt Zuma... or even Kenyan report Zuma- a whole lot of articles (not of SA) will come up written often by blacks- all saying what a backwards country we are BECAUSE of our president and ruling party who's culture is outdated compared to our constitution... a culture that still has not invented the wheel. Don't forget to spell correctly and then press enter.

  • Tamaranui - 2012-05-22 19:29

    Murray's collaborators......Typical response.... When's Dene Smuts displaying her Bits ???

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 06:52

      hahahahaha....Sam try Empangeni mate. You are welcome anytime my Bro.

      YrHonour - 2012-05-23 10:48

      You can meet me and Tamaranui

  • zetzingane - 2012-05-22 19:31

    thanks to this paiting the anac is united and we know now who the really enermny is I was woried that the DA is gaining grounds

      Irene - 2012-05-22 20:23

      Don't let it worry you. The DA is gaining plenty of ground amongst people with reasoning ability ie. not those primitives ones that cling onto the past and think they're living in the 15th century.

      Blackyoungandangry - 2012-05-23 02:05

      @Irene I would hardly call 20 years ago the 15th century when SOWETO becomes a museum thats when I will vote clearly

      Kirsten - 2012-05-23 12:50

      who is anac?

  • Koos - 2012-05-22 19:31

    Ai, F...K. Do we really need the politicians 2 comment and try 2 capitalise on every single national issue? I am however disgusted @ the ruling party's attempts 2 suppress dissenting and perceived "racist" views. It is once again just another political party (the ANCs attempts) 2 try and match and even surpass the apartheid government. At least the nationalists did not try and fool us into thinking that they represented all of us. DA of course has 2 get onto the Spear bandwagon. Iconic? But alas, u r free 2 hold whichever views u want. PEACE 2 U AND AL OF US, except the ANC who seems intent on dividing us.

  • Cornelius - 2012-05-22 19:32

    All along the DA was having a laugh at the expense of a political opponent. They didn't find it important to comment until this point. Now that some two brave men take a stand against the misguided portrait, the DA is back in the news. Politics of convenience!! Support anyone who takes a shot at the ANC and attack anyone whose actions are in support of ANC!!

      chriswhite - 2012-05-22 20:14

      @Cornelius - your point?

      Cornelius - 2012-05-22 20:36

      @ Chris, the DA will never agree with any position that supports the ANC. The party always conveniently takes a position against ANC. It boggles the mind how a national party like DA can support obscenity as a way of artistic expression.

      Shaun - 2012-05-22 21:13

      @Cornelius If the DA "will never agree with any position that supports the ANC" please explain their support of the youth subsidy? By the 'outrage' of the ANC over this picture they have managed to get Zuma into all the papers in the UK, and onto all the news networks, clever work guys. He is a laughingstock all around the world!

      Cornelius - 2012-05-22 21:32

      @ Shaun, all I am saying is that the DA's positions on national issues are convenient. The party always wants to be seen by its supporters as fighting the ANC or an ANC affiliate. On youth subsidy the party saw an opportunity to take a cheap shot at COSATU. If we say we don't want our kids to be exposed to pornography, why do we then want them to view artistic work that is at par with porno. To accuse the ANC as being unreasonable in its response whilst ignoring the appropriateness of the artwork is wrong. Let's analyse both the input and the outcome to be fair. Surely the ANC can't smile and party while they are under attack

      Shaun - 2012-05-22 22:04

      @Cornelius it is called freedom of expression something that should be protected by the SA Constitution. Zuma is a politician he should just take it on the chin (or in the nuts), just as Steven Harper did. The image may be crass, but it is the reaction of the ANC that has caused it to go viral. The ANC is so bankrupt of ideas that it can only think of playing the race card, to protect the 'Big Man'. The DA is only voicing an opinion in support of the principle of freedom of expression.

      Cornelius - 2012-05-22 22:31

      @ Shaun, I want to challenge you to do a small research of where freedom of expression starts and ends. I am sure you have heard courts passing judgements against character assassinators or people with mischief intentions. Courts balance between insults and freedom of expression. You can't insult people willy-nilly in the name of freedom of expression, otherwise you will be made to pay. A good example, I am one person who do not believe in homosexuality but I can't go around insulting gays and lesbians in the name of freedom of expression. That will be wrong.

      Shaun - 2012-05-22 23:46

      @Cornelius look up Hogarth, or satirical cartoons and see how the British press has lampooned politicians and indeed the royal family down the years(look at the regency period if you want the most virulent examples). Politics is a dirty game, if you want to be a political leader expect the arrows to 'fly' your way. As for doing some research I have done plenty mate. I am a postgraduate student in History at Oxford, and this is why I am appalled to see what SA is becoming, this is the beginning of a failed state.

      John - 2012-05-23 00:16

      Uninformed: what about the move to get 420000 jobs for youth which was 100% in agreement with the ANC? Instead of emotional reasons behind supporting a party, rather use facts and reasoning.

      Cornelius - 2012-05-23 01:03

      @ Shaun, its good that you are a postgraduate at Oxford. At least you have the mental capacity to understand issues. But the research I mean is based on legal matters concerning freedom of expression. I am trying to bring to your attention that courts have found people guilty for defamation but the same courts in some cases have ruled in favour of freedom of expression. All I am saying is that there is a limit to freedom of expression. Insults, lies, misrepresentations and outright mischief can't be supported by Act of freedom of expression.

      Cornelius - 2012-05-23 01:13

      @ 5centsWorth, you really believe that youth subsidy is a solution to unemployment!! A country can only create employment through improving employment capacity of existing firms or forming new firms. All the other policies are fictional. There are populist policies that political parties can defend but its about votes. Don't believe everything you hear from politicians!

  • Michele - 2012-05-22 19:33

    This is a very sad day for our democracy, since ancient Egyptian times the people have voiced their dissatisfaction with their rulers through the arts, whether by poetry, plays , song etc etc The artist expressed through his painting the very same things that the Communist Party and Cosatu have whinged about for a very long time, lack of moral leadership within the ANC, Corruption etc etc etc Yet these very same people were the first to condemn the piece ? That the whole issue has now been reduced to " racism " is a shockingly bad excuse in my book and an old ANC tactic. Whenever things don't go your way blame the whitey ? We should be long past this nonsense by now, AND ALL South Africans should be able to see through it by now ! I wonder what Mandela thinks when he sees his own beloved party behaving like this ? Not much I would think considering he spent 27 years behind bars for something like freedon of speech which the Government now wants to curb when it suits them ? we should be very wary going forward, our constitution is under attack by some very dodgy leadership to say the very least. Last week we had the goons from Cosatu and this week the governing party showed that they are no better. No wonder they are in a alliance. Thank heavens for the D.A and Mrs Madonsela who seem to be about the only ones who manage to try and keep these guys accountable and responsible but from the looks of things they are losing the battle.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-22 19:47

      Practice some responsibility, The Egyptians knew this as well. This civilization was always a dictatorship. Do you think the 1000's of slaves that died building the pyramids for the Pharaoh's wanted to live this way........ Your argument is not conducive to our RSA environment.

      chriswhite - 2012-05-22 19:55

      @Michele - Duchmen

      Irvin Howard - 2012-05-22 20:14

      What a barren view! If you take away the politics, rhetoric, emotion, racism the painting is rude & in very poor taste. THATS MY PRESIDENT even though I didn't vote for him. There are lines that must never be crossed. But here is something I've learned: If you want expert advice on relationships, ask a single person, about marriage ask the unmarried, about raising children, ask those who don't have. If you want to know how to rule a country, ask those who are not in power. The DA thinks is easy to run a country because they run a province, not as easy.

      Morné - 2012-05-22 20:34

      @ tamaranui: Contrary to popular belief, the pyramids were not built by slaves. It is one of those fallacies along with the notion that might makes right and that the right to an opinion is restricted to the most obnoxious and abusive person.

      chriswhite - 2012-05-22 21:07

      @Jan - please dont bring your bedroom fantasies to the forum - yawn

      Polotic - 2012-05-22 21:37

      @Irvin Howard - At least the DA are running the province well. We can't say that about the rest of the country run by the ANC.

      Diego - 2012-05-22 21:42

      go to hell

      Michele - 2012-05-22 22:15

      Go read a piece at the daily maverick written by Sipho Hlongwane and what I have said will make more sense to the detractors who fall for all the political BS that gets spun. The ANC's best friend: Brett Murray & The Spear

      Cornelius - 2012-05-22 22:16

      @ Michele, I agree with you that people must criticise leaders when things are not going right. However, we should not use obscenities to drive a point. Even Madiba when he was fighting the apartheid regime he didn't use obscenities as a fighting tool. If we use bad methods to fight a bad system, it means we are not different from the ones we are fighting. Finally, you might support the DA which is your democratic right but don't portray it as a party of saints. Of late we have been hearing reports of tenders being given to buddies in the western cape and also some communities have been demonstrating against selective service delivery by the DA in the province. Or you conveniently ignore bad reports about your party while having a field day for ANC bad reports. Be objective and fair in your analysis. No political party is led by angels

      graeme.peel - 2012-05-22 22:35

      No Nigel. That is not the point. The point is that you are wantonly dragging your own name and business through the mud. I mentioned your name and business because it is connected to your profile, and I hoped to remind you to behave on the internet in the same way that you would behave in public and in company.

  • Christopher Zoony De Croes - 2012-05-22 19:34

    http://pangamanagement.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/ayanda.jpg?w=640 if u thought the spear painting was bad. look @ this one

      Irene - 2012-05-22 20:24

      Yup but nothing is said about it because the artist is black. Huge difference!

  • Johan - 2012-05-22 19:34

    Wow Chris its easy to get your vote. So when the ANC says something you don't like(eg kiling white people ........), Cope will get your vote! Rather comment on the weather or something

      Irene - 2012-05-22 20:25

      @chriswhite ~ So glad you've moved over to the anc side of things. Scum like you aren't really wanted among logical thinking people. Cheerio!

      chriswhite - 2012-05-22 20:37

      @Irene - Go look in the mirror - Point made - I rest my case!

      Hugh_Influence - 2012-05-22 21:39

      Chris I highly doubt you're white. So what do you think of this Black artists painting done a long time before this one: http://pangamanagement.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/ayanda.jpg?w=640 Why wasn't there a big stink about that? No comment? So how about a nice luke warm cup of shut the F up.

      Hugh_Influence - 2012-05-22 22:10

      Thanks Chris you just confirmed your TROLL status as active.

  • Jason - 2012-05-22 19:35

    im a da supporter but they really irritate me with quite a number of things, first they replace tony leon with some other white women, then they randomly select bad battles to enter. the above is just another example of it.

      TheyTookMyNickLaZynEko - 2012-05-22 19:47

      'some other white women'? please stop defining people by the color of their skin organ!

      chriswhite - 2012-05-22 19:56

      @ they ...cant be bothered with rest of name - tw#t

  • Xulu.Thulany.Xaba - 2012-05-22 19:35

    Lol DA=Dom Alliance!

  • Vincent - 2012-05-22 19:36

    I asked this at the other article but I seriously want to know why this painting is racist. I seriously cannot see it and no one has give a good explaination why it is.

      chrisscrossxyz - 2012-05-22 19:46

      duh? - are you from Norway

      Xulu.Thulany.Xaba - 2012-05-22 19:48

      No racism in the picture, I think sometimes people intend to misinterpret the word \racism\ boSs,and the race card honestly Boring

      Diana - 2012-05-22 22:38

      Looks the same stupid to me. Since what time having a "tool" became a sign of beloning to a certain race?

  • Lucy - 2012-05-22 19:37

    Yawn yawn yawn the anc are milking this for every cent of our money...divide and rule...only thing the very people who are the poorest in the land are the ones who will continue to suffer the most...and they are wisening up very fast to these fools. Just now they will be trying to go to court to sue or shut every citizen up = and there will be no money for them to steal or waste. These are the same people who kept crying freedom freedom freedom...well that is what a democracy is all about ..freedom...so shut up now and lets have some freedom in all forms and stop trying the divide and rule kick..we have all wisened up you fools.

      Luvhani - 2012-05-22 20:13

      Come on Lucy stop lying 2 urself bcos u might end up passing this supremacy mentality of urs 2 ur kidz and they wil carry on wasting time moaning bout sumthn they cannot change instead of concetrating on issues they can bring change in. B honest wit urself atlist...

      Luvhani - 2012-05-22 20:14

      Come on Lucy stop lying 2 urself bcos u might end up passing this supremacy mentality of urs 2 ur kidz and they wil carry on wasting time moaning bout sumthn they cannot change instead of concetrating on issues they can bring change in. B honest wit urself atlist...

  • janzanele - 2012-05-22 19:38

    DA thanks for showing your stupidness,if you think you will claim victory in our beloved Mzansi forget it,you fail to help people in western cape,now you think buy the youth vote with that march

      Anthony - 2012-05-22 20:05

      chris you need help go smoke more tik.

      Gerhardus - 2012-05-22 20:22

      for a province that works I'll accept their stupidity any day.

      Irene - 2012-05-22 20:26

      @chriswhite ~ Helen commands respect. What has Zoooomer ever done to earn respect?

      Irene - 2012-05-22 20:38

      @chriswhite ~ Well why don't you look in the mirror because you'll never see a bigger p03s than the face looking back at you. Repulsive creep!

      Anthony - 2012-05-22 20:39

      oh I see, still haven,t got help yet.

      chriswhite - 2012-05-22 20:44

      @Janine - thanks for taking the time to look at my profile x x x all for you... i'm as imperfect as Zuma or Zille or you ... and you know what i still wouldn't draw a picture like that in a country already in a very fragile state... i'm a sinner honey so until i'm saved show me what Helen has or stop making f#ckin mockery where it could lead to severe sh#t .....wake up were not in europe

      Irene - 2012-05-22 20:51

      @Janine ~ chriswhite is nothing but white trash. Scum of the earth, no wonder he's now a cANCer supporter. Belongs with them.

      chriswhite - 2012-05-22 21:09

      @Irene - i love your colour you chose

  • John - 2012-05-22 19:38

    One day the Emporer heard from two swindlers that they could make the finest suit of clothes from the most beautiful cloth. This cloth, they said, also had the special capability that it was invisible to anyone who was either stupid or not fit for his position. The emperor then allowed himself to be dressed in the clothes for a procession through town, never admitting that he was too unfit and stupid to see what he was wearing. For he was afraid that the other people would think that he was stupid. Of course, all the townspeople wildly praised the magnificent clothes of the emperor, afraid to admit that they could not see them, until a small child said: "But he has nothing on"! Hans Christian Anderson

  • jmlongwe - 2012-05-22 19:45

    Thanks DA, i knew you'd say something dumb and lose some votes, was a matter of time. Try read the environment first before commenting next time.

      Morné - 2012-05-22 20:41

      Good point, they have nothing to gain by commenting. I, however applaud them for condemning this blatant attack on freedom of speech. It is unusual for politicians to do the right thing even when it will cost them votes.

      willybegood - 2012-05-23 08:44

      http://pangamanagement.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/ayanda.jpg comments on this?

  • TheyTookMyNickLaZynEko - 2012-05-22 19:46

    "African culture accorded special respect for leaders." well personally I don't follows bad leaders. what about my culture?

  • Koos - 2012-05-22 19:47

    I AM SICK OF ALL YOU WHITE AND BLACK RACISTS. I AM SICK OF POLITICAL PARTIES WHO TRY 2 SCORE POINTS ON ISSUES OF RACE. I AM SICK OF HUMAN BEINGS WHO CONSTANTLY FIGHT OVER THE SCRAPS THAT POLITICIANS THROW AT US. I GUESS I STAND ACCUSED WHEN I RESPOND 2 ALL OF U IN CAPS.

      Twentyfivemay - 2012-05-22 19:52

      My man why not just go jump off a cliff, no one is intrested in ur CAPS RANT!

      mooka.pheto - 2012-05-22 19:54

      come on people, I don't think this crap of race is working anymore, I won't support any black person who rapes kids or kills white farmers because of I'm black, wrong is wrong period. we have challenges as a country let's work together for betterment of our country!

      chriswhite - 2012-05-22 19:59

      @mooka - that's the point i'm making - white people are the worst at throwing the 1st stone ..... sick sick sick of it.... just common decency both ways would do a lot better than hiding behind some sh#t "artist"

      Peter - 2012-05-22 20:06

      I sit here reading the same thing over an over?whites?I'm white an South African,a white painted a disgusting painting?so everyone blames white people in general?one persons sick mind has no reflection on the way us south africans should move forward. \r\nworking together.

      Gerhardus - 2012-05-22 20:11

      I'm sick of people that type in caps.

  • Imtiaz - 2012-05-22 19:48

    To all the people out there who says it \freedom of speech\ if you don't agree of what our president is doing you can speak out against him but you'll have no right to draw a naked picture of him. You have to respect him. His our first citizen. Remember IF YOU WANT RESPECT YOU HAVE TO GIVE RESPECT and two wrongs don't make a right so you can't justify the artist or the gallery.

      carpejugulim - 2012-05-23 06:11

      Imtiaz respect is earned by thought, word and deed both in and out of the public eye ... it isn't just demanded or given because of an alledged position or rank.

      willybegood - 2012-05-23 08:48

      http://pangamanagement.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/ayanda.jpg What about respect for Arch Tutu? No, only for the ANC president? Arch Tutu painted with his pen1s showing not not 'culturally insensitive', 'disrespectful' or 'racist'. Why is that? Did the ANC chastise and demand the artist of this painting remove it? NO?! Why is that?

  • Dakey - 2012-05-22 19:49

    I'd love to know how the DA would feel about a painting of Helen with her breasts exposed? Perhaps a painting of her embracing Zuma in a moment of passion? Sorry, I'd like to see some objectivity from the DA on this matter. As for defacing the painting? Surely another form of freedom of expression?

      Anthony - 2012-05-22 20:07

      hey chris you are truely sic get over your self

      Anthony - 2012-05-22 20:24

      shame you need help "sic"

      chriswhite - 2012-05-22 21:28

      Janine - Sondag sit ek naby jou in die kerk - dan gaan ons koek bak - you morally upstanding virgianl super woman - bravo!!!!

      Hugh_Influence - 2012-05-22 21:44

      Chris, you DO know that crack will fry your brain hey? Just checking... D**S.

      chriswhite - 2012-05-22 21:59

      @Hugh - you would know then crackhead - stupid f#ck

      chriswhite - 2012-05-22 22:48

      @hugh - you're scaring me ... w@nker

  • somikazi.pita - 2012-05-22 19:50

    \DA condemns defacing of 'iconic' painting\ LOL...what a shocker!

      willybegood - 2012-05-23 08:50

      Just like they defended this 'iconic' painting http://pangamanagement.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/ayanda.jpg

  • jmlongwe - 2012-05-22 19:50

    I wouldn't be surprised if people pulled 'a zimbabwe' in this country, too much tension being toiled with. People are playing with closed wounds. Keep it up and you will see. All i can say is im glad im black for 'a zimbabwe'

  • Jason - 2012-05-22 19:57

    I agree that the painting was in bad taste. But let's put the painting aside and look at the reaction. Evidently this country is never going to be a normal peaceful place to live.

  • Jacobs - 2012-05-22 20:00

    I am highly amused at the lack of intellect and stupidity displayed by readers of this article, especially 25may. It is simple minded people like you that have the intelligence of an amoeba and the ignorance of child who will continue to vote for a party that doesn't care about you. By the time you wake up, you will see its too late, South Africa will be a banana republic. Wake up 25may!!!!

      tnmunyai - 2012-05-22 20:56

      The party u r talking about have done a very good job to us. If u don't see, is up to u with your rasist blind eye. If u hate something you wil neve apriciate even if it can give u the most thing u like in your life.

      Polotic - 2012-05-22 22:04

      @tnmunyai - And pray, tell us what they have done! Dept of Public Works in total disarray, The Police Force riddled with corruption. Police untrained. Education a disaster. Crime out of control. Thousands of civil servants guilty of fraud. The E-toll saga a disaster. Mpumulanga riddled with corruption. Eastern Cape on the brink of collapse. The HIV disaster. - These are just a random selection of what the ANC government has achieved.

      Ganon - 2012-05-22 22:11

      For years it was a BANANA Republic run by racists who made sure blacks are undermined, no schools were build for them, no houses, at Sasol we were led by whites with Standard 2 (Grade 4) and we had Matric with Exemptions, we were not allowed to share trains, toilets. We use to shop in a small windows outside queueing while whites were shopping inside. The pension grants and salaries were not the same for Whites, Coloureds, Indians & Blacks. We were not allowed to stay in surburbs, if they find you after hours they use to lock us up and beat the hell out of you. They use to do target practice using blacks as targets. I can mention so many things which the so-called corrupt ANC has changed. When DA marches we see only the black faces ( the Whites, Coloureds & Indians ) who are the majority are no where to be seen. That is why we will always vote for ANC, call us stupid, your Freedom of Expresion, in the olden days they were going to hunt you down and lock you up for that. Mzansi for sure!!! Of course if you think you're better than us blacks, why don't you go somewhere like New Zealand & Australia. We are going to make this country right, there are noble men out there, black or white who has noble intentions. Right always win. Racism is racism & DA is practising it, you can shout until u're blue in the face like DA, Badman Gallery & City Press promote racism in the name of political satire, finish & klaar. As for defacing de picture..kwaakwaaaaaaa!!!!!

      Xulu.Thulany.Xaba - 2012-05-22 22:53

      @Polotic? come to diepkloof you will c

  • papi.seheri - 2012-05-22 20:03

    It is widely expected that the white minority wud condemn de defacing.the painter did not show any fibre of respect when potraying de president of de majority of de republic,if it was his father potrayed in de spear i wonder how he wud hav felt.sick!

      willybegood - 2012-05-23 08:52

      why was this painting not defaced? is it because it was painted by a black man? http://pangamanagement.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/ayanda.jpg

  • Herman - 2012-05-22 20:04

    This has proven that most people in SA are racists, black and white. Will never change.

      Irene - 2012-05-22 20:27

      Stewart ~ Was it ever alive?

  • ntjeke.wilfred - 2012-05-22 20:07

    shhhh,we knw the painting is ironic but shhhh re batla taba ena e fite,

  • deslopes - 2012-05-22 20:11

    I own the domain TheSpear.co.za it is for sale. www.thespear.co.za

  • YuccaN - 2012-05-22 20:14

    Viva DA Viva ? ? We want TRUE democracy not this moc-kery

      malebogo.ivan - 2012-05-22 20:28

      I was expecting that from da, just because its a black person they condem what happened,if it was hellen zille or deklerk they would have condemned the artist.

      malebogo.ivan - 2012-05-22 20:28

      I was expecting that from da, just because its a black person they condem what happened,if it was hellen zille or deklerk they would have condemned the artist.

      tnmunyai - 2012-05-22 20:40

      You are a stupid person.

  • scnzama - 2012-05-22 20:15

    Bloody DA.Who cares what these bafoons have 2 say.an official opposition party with only 17% of parliament represantation.nxaaah.This DA is a joke

  • Zenzile Tshanda - 2012-05-22 20:16

    stop it chris. u killing me.

      chriswhite - 2012-05-22 20:20

      Please dont put a soundtrack of her voice to the picture - i know how clever these technical guys are - i can only handle so much!!!! imagine....actually dont!!!

      Anthony - 2012-05-22 20:28

      any one need help, lot of sic people out there?

  • Freedom - 2012-05-22 20:17

    The point is that: If this was a painting of Mandela, everybody would have been shocked and angered. Because we all respect him. But this is Zuma, I can't say I really care what is drawn of him.

  • errol.wagner - 2012-05-22 20:18

    THERE IS A STORY [WHETHER TRUE OR NOT] OF AN EMPEROR PLAYING THE FIDDLE WHILE ROME BURNT - THAT IS WHAT OUR PRESIDENT IS DOING - FIDDLING WITH IRRELEVANT ISSUES WHEN MANY OF OUR PEOPLE HAVE NO JOBS, BASIC SERVICES ARE LACKING, CORRUPTION IS FOUND AT EVERY LEVEL, PEOPLE ARE FINDING IT DIFFICULT TO KEEP UP WITH THE RISING COSTS, AND RACISM IS ON THE INCREASE. MR PRESIDENT THERE ARE MORE SERIOUS ISSUES TO ADDRESS THAN YOUR DIGNITY - ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES AND YOUR YOUR NAME WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS A GREAT MAN LIKE MADIBA AND NOT GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS A MAN WHO DESTROYED HIS OWN DIGNITY BY HIS BEHAVIOUR.

  • Dorino Kalamaras - 2012-05-22 20:19

    FFS - it's a damn painting... Why is this suddenly an issue.. What about graffiti ? Can't you see the real picture here..

      Irene - 2012-05-22 20:40

      Primitive culture.

  • Gee - 2012-05-22 20:19

    What an outrage! How dare these people destroy such a perfect representation of our president? I would have liked to suggest a few minor changes to the portrait though. A golden showerhead in the top left corner, garlic clutched in his right hand and the spear replaced with a blunt okapi...but that's too late now!

  • yolande.gunter - 2012-05-22 20:20

    Painting was in bad taste..yes ..we all want a president we can be proud of, one who keeps his word and do the right things even when under pressure..honest not corrupted.. can we honestly say these things about him? This is what the man inspired..TheSpear..hardly

  • renier.potgieter.5 - 2012-05-22 20:22

    The painting was in bad taste, and if it was done of any of you without your consent, you would be angry too. Zuma should sue Murrey for everything he's got for defamation of character, but he should at least be man enough to correct the 'racism' slur. The subject matter is not about race. I think if he had used the opportunity and bought the painting instead, he would have put the ball back in his court and beat Murrey at his own game. The front page news story would have been about Zuma's great sense of humour... NOW Murrey is in the headlines and the value of his art probably skyrocketed! Now half the country knows the guy's name and he's the only one that gains from this media debacle.

      Ganon - 2012-05-22 22:18

      And Murray will be laughing all the way to the bank, they will probably had sold it to him for R 20 million instead of R 136 000. I say the two guys made my day, I'm still laughing, kwaaakwaaa. The madam at BADMAN Gallery is fuming, sy gaan iemand dood maak vandag, kwaaakwaaa!

      willybegood - 2012-05-23 08:56

      http://pangamanagement.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/ayanda.jpg Arch Tutu laughed when he saw this painting. No 'horror' from the ANC about this one... but then again, the black man with his pen1s showing is not the 'holy' 'moral' JZ.

  • Freedom - 2012-05-22 20:23

    The artist should be allowed to paint what he wants. The freedom of speech and expression of all citizens is a right. It is a foundation of democracy. If the artist wishes to paint a promiscuous man who has 22 children, 5 wives, a few affairs, and alleged to have raped an HIV positive women, then the artist should be allowed to express his artistic license. Its a weapon. A spear.

  • papi.seheri - 2012-05-22 20:26

    Enaf of male strippers can we have madam zille and her concubines on stage,or better @ teazers i thnk it will suit the white palate!

      chriswhite - 2012-05-22 20:30

      yeah lets make a picture - cool idea well done - dumb DA!!!! you should have taken the moral high ground and condemned it!!! Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid

      Irene - 2012-05-22 20:41

      Why? What immorality has Helen Zille ever displayed?

      Irene - 2012-05-22 20:53

      @chriswhite ~ You're a vile little man.

      chriswhite - 2012-05-22 21:12

      @Irene - you beautiful Nun you!

  • craiqpayne - 2012-05-22 20:29

    Old news by next week

  • netswera.livhuwani - 2012-05-22 20:32

    The oldmen must stop showing young girls his jompi and these artists will also not draw paintings showing Jompis rather something positive.

      yolande.gunter - 2012-05-22 20:43

      Precisely I agree to get respect you must act accordingly and earn it..

  • Nockx - 2012-05-22 20:40

    Aggggaa. Bite me, I'm tasty

  • Mthetheleli - 2012-05-22 20:40

    Many whites will always wonder why there's a fuss about this bcoze our cultures as black people are always opposite to what whites believe in

      Irene - 2012-05-22 20:42

      Evolve into the 21st century. It'll be quite liberating.

      IcemanGP - 2012-05-22 20:45

      But doesn't \your culture\ also believe in having sex with babies to cure you from aids, or if you are a president you have a shower.

      willybegood - 2012-05-23 09:08

      is this also your culture? Painted by a black man in 2010. It didn't get all this "revulsion' and protest from the ANC. http://pangamanagement.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/ayanda.jpg

  • Margaux - 2012-05-22 20:40

    i saw it on the news. only part i liked was the beatdown the brother got. that was a brilliant takedown. had it been a white security guard then its some racist crap i guess. kick ass!!!!!!

      Irene - 2012-05-22 20:43

      Exactly Margaux. What about the pic by the black artist? No problems with that one which is even worse than The Spear! But not so much of a squeak about it and why - the colour of the artist!

      willybegood - 2012-05-23 09:10

      Irene means this painting ;) http://pangamanagement.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/ayanda.jpg

  • thabojames.mohanoe - 2012-05-22 20:47

    I lyked what those 2 guys did. That painting was a disrespectful of a black man dignity. I wonder what the reaction was gona be if the paiting was of madam Z. Nxa! Sis. Freedom of expression my *ss! Im stil angry n shocked.

      chriswhite - 2012-05-22 20:50

      you're not perhaps an artist are you or know one - i have an idea - Helen Zille naked - not pretty i know but hey "t's freedom of expression"

      Hugh_Influence - 2012-05-22 21:56

      Chris I'm sure you're jerking off to the stick figure drawings that reflect the age of your mentality.

      chriswhite - 2012-05-22 22:01

      @hugh - please man i've asked you to keep your bedroom stuff to yourself - little weirdo

      willybegood - 2012-05-23 09:12

      Like this painting was "a disrespectful of a black man dignity (sic)" http://pangamanagement.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/ayanda.jpg Why no protest or defacement of this painting? Wait, don't tell me ... its because the artist was black!!!!

  • Teuneman - 2012-05-22 20:47

    I think the painting was done in bad taste. I'm sure there are other ways in which he could have expressed himself with the painting. Also, the matter could have been handled more discreetly by the ANC and to everyone giving deconstructive critisism: if you're not part of the problem or solution, shut up.

      Peter - 2012-05-22 21:00

      You made me feel proudly South African, that is nation building, no name callinga, no blacks, no whites, neither hatred, but resolve. It is refreshing!