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DA criticises e-toll appeal plans

2012-05-17 13:17

Johannesburg - Cabinet's decision to appeal the North Gauteng High Court 's interim order halting the implementation of e-tolling is "foolish and doomed to fail", the DA said on Thursday.

The interim order issued by Judge Bill Prinsloo was unlikely to be overturned, as sound reasons had been given for it, Democratic Alliance spokesperson Jack Bloom said.

"Government's appeal will just drag out the court proceedings, creating further uncertainty in the credit markets."

He was puzzled by the government's hard line as the SA National Roads Agency Ltd (Sanral) had itself indicated it would not appeal the case.

"It would be far better if government cancelled the e-toll collection contract, rather than continue with a long, drawn-out court battle," he said.

Cabinet spokesperson Jimmy Manyi said earlier that the government would appeal the interim order. He said the government only received a written copy of the April 28 judgment late on Wednesday.

"As we are sitting here, our lawyers are studying the judgment and will advise the executive in due course," he told a fortnightly post-Cabinet briefing.

"Cabinet reiterated its commitment to the user pays principle and its decision on e-tolling as an efficient mechanism of collection."

Manyi said Cabinet also made plain it would not allow embattled Sanral to default on the debt it incurred to complete the Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project (GFIP).

"As a country we need to demonstrate unequivocal commitment to meet all our contractual obligations, including repaying the debt incurred in the construction of GFIP. Defaulting on our debt is simply not an option."

Comments
  • Tuco - 2012-05-17 13:22

    Go ahead please. the more time this drags on the better. Pity our credit rating as a country might be badly affected because of Jacob Zuma and his nobs. Thank you Zuma and your e TROLLS , another nail in the ANC coffin.

      Henri - 2012-05-17 14:01

      Die Bulls se nuwe version van "Touch, Pause, Engage" is nou "Vroetel, Vryf en Cuddle"!

      David - 2012-05-17 14:14

      Goverment magic!! This is what we get from the ANC. They are trying to change Egoli into E-toll-i and RSA into Banana Republic for JZ and Co. They trying to fool us by installing peurple lights on th highways, but we won't be fooled.

      dbaxewanos - 2012-05-17 14:20

      Nail in the coffin,really? The ANC believes it is exempt from public outcry. Because,guess what, the general populace still votes them in.

      Alan - 2012-05-17 14:48

      wtf zoolie? Troll

      Alan - 2012-05-17 14:48

      whaaha @ E-Toll-i

      Jennifer - 2012-05-18 09:23

      Being nude is natural. why not take off the clothes. If you are looking for nudist date or nudist friends. Yeah, naturistpassion.c0m is best choice to you.They can appeal as many times as they want because I STILL WILL NOT PAY for driving on a road that ALL of us have paid for. e-toll can kiss my toll-e.

  • Jared - 2012-05-17 13:24

    Fine... use more of our taxes in support of your private war on South African commuters. (tax payer's money would fund legal costs)

      Peter - 2012-05-17 14:04

      Then the idiot Manyi basically agrees to pay SANRALS debt at the end of the day anyway. So R30 Billion + Court Fees + Any debt left = Manyi giving tax payers a big F**k you

      Keith - 2012-05-17 18:17

      But the extra money stays in South Africa, so the net result is merely a transfer from the taxpayer to another, albeit richer, taxpayer. So does it matter?

      Jared - 2012-05-17 19:34

      Keith the cash spent may stay in South Africa, but the money is still diverted out of government funds away from far more important issues... like not firing 9000 cops...

  • Melusi - 2012-05-17 13:24

    i so can't wait for the general elections!!!!

      Carlos - 2012-05-17 13:27

      Melusi, I just wish more people would think like you!!

      Keaobaka - 2012-05-17 14:26

      If people can just realise that the X is more powerful and less destructive compared to the so-called service delivery protests. If you are dissatisfied with your government you give another party a chance. The electorate should not be at the mercy of politicians, but politicians should be at the mercy of the electorate.

      nkgorupom - 2012-05-17 14:34

      But political illitracy dictates poor people to vote for corrupt ruling party, and then toyi toyi later against sape corrupt party

      Alan - 2012-05-17 14:52

      Bambanani - Troll Alert. The laws now are racist against whites. In spite of that, things will not improve in general for black brothers until the Govt. decides to stop wastage, corruption and mismanagement, and educate people with a proper education. Education plus hard work is the only sustainable way forward. So stop being a new-age racist troll.

      Isabel - 2012-05-17 19:52

      I agree with you totally!

  • Werner - 2012-05-17 13:25

    foolish and doomed to fail". But they want the gravy they ordered!

      Alan - 2012-05-17 13:31

      The Gravy is in Grave danger

  • Sharon - 2012-05-17 13:26

    The government has no choice, they have to appeal. The pension money they hedged on this scheme is at stake... If they misappropriated less money they would have been able to fund the upgrades from money already paid by the taxpayer. What they are doing now is throwing good money after bad.

      Alan - 2012-05-17 13:29

      yes and WTF - their appeal is paid for by the Taxpayers.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-17 14:08

      Lets all resign and claim our pension. that's what you would call disaster.

  • raath - 2012-05-17 13:26

    I think that government is just afraid that the truth will come out with subsequent investigations. We have only seen the tip of the iceberg, and there is a big festering plot under all these new management companies and systems used to take more money from citizens.

      Alan - 2012-05-17 14:15

      That may well be true!

      valcooperRSA - 2012-05-17 14:31

      Of course that's why they pushed so hard for it to go ahead and why they wanted privacy bill passed so they could hide everything that has been done so underhandedly

  • James - 2012-05-17 13:27

    "foolish and doomed to fail" they said it!!! to hell with e-toll

      Duncan Bayne - 2012-05-17 13:55

      Agreed!

  • E=MC2 - 2012-05-17 13:29

    Well duh! Its the fat, greedy politicians who are losing out on their investment in SANRAL, of course they're going to cry foul... that should be even more motivation for the high court NOT to grant their appeal.

  • Henri - 2012-05-17 13:30

    why doesnt goverment find that R20bil un accounted for 2011 and pay sanral, stop making it the taxpayers problem !!!!

  • Alan - 2012-05-17 13:31

    Remember people - as Servants of the Nation, Arrogance comes first!!

      Alan - 2012-05-17 13:39

      Arrogance Nepotism Corruption

  • Johannes - 2012-05-17 13:33

    "As a country we need to demonstrate unequivocal commitment to meet all our contractual " Why don't the goverment have the same stance towards, providing of services etc. And to stop stealing form the people to feed the few. Also a lot of things are going to come out...arms deal etc etc in the investigations. cANCer is going to get some payback hopefully sooner than later.

  • NrGx - 2012-05-17 13:34

    "As a country we need to demonstrate unequivocal commitment to meet all our contractual obligations, including repaying the debt incurred in the construction of GFIP. Defaulting on our debt is simply not an option." how about demonstrating commitment to the CITIZENS of SA!

  • Peter - 2012-05-17 13:34

    I thought DA spokesperson was Maimane Mmusi. Is this another puppet game by DA?

      Alan - 2012-05-17 13:39

      Maimane is probably stoned.

      Peter - 2012-05-17 14:03

      No he is not, just DA tendencies.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-17 14:11

      Maimane speaks only on televisions when blacks are watching. DA at its best.

      Byron - 2012-05-17 15:01

      Maimane is the national spokesperson of the DA Jack Bloom is the spokesperson of the DA Gauteng on Health

      Peter - 2012-05-17 15:27

      Byron you are not adderssing the issue. There is no link between Jack's portfolio and E-tolls, please explain why is Mmusi not addressing the masses as a national spokesperson? How can Jack bloom pronounce on something that is out of his portfolio, this is a battle of superiority and it's nonsense. DA black voters should open their eyes and red card this behaviour.

      Byron - 2012-05-17 15:38

      "There is no link between Jack's portfolio and E-tolls" - you said it You have to remember, I have to be extra careful of how I word comments on this website as they get reported more often than not - it comes with the territory of rejecting the mob mentality on both ends

  • winston.mullany - 2012-05-17 13:35

    'As a country we need to demonstrate unequivocal commitment to meet all our contractual obligations' Its not a contractual obligation, its wanting to screw the public over so that you and Zuma and all his fat cows can benefit from the cash! MOOOOOve on please!

  • thabo.manganye - 2012-05-17 13:35

    visiting family n joburg is going to be expensive. 'just another reason i wont be coming home for christmas mom at least you know who is to blame'

  • marc.rule - 2012-05-17 13:35

    They can appeal as many times as they want because I STILL WILL NOT PAY for driving on a road that ALL of us have paid for. e-toll can kiss my toll-e.

  • inxsive - 2012-05-17 13:36

    the reason why the gov are fighting this is because some in government might lose some well laid "investment" if the gates dont go up

  • Hermann - 2012-05-17 13:36

    Are lost kick backs involved?

      Alan - 2012-05-17 13:41

      gosh - what are you implying??? Surely not!

  • Gavin - 2012-05-17 13:37

    what kind of f'ing idiot government fights the voice/will of its own people ?? jummy manyi should be made ambassador to uranus and shipped there on the first russian rocket we can find.

      Alan - 2012-05-17 13:43

      Maybe N.Korea's next attempt? Long Range Imbecile launch

      Alan - 2012-05-17 16:23

      You see the government thinks that it is only the DA opposed to the tolls and that all the anc supporters are for it.

      Alan - 2012-05-17 16:23

      Alan, I think my pic is better than yours.

  • Heinrich - 2012-05-17 13:38

    Only ANC members should pay e-tolls!

      Henri - 2012-05-17 13:41

      they must also pay our sintax, every year siggies and booze go up !!!!!!

      Jean - 2012-05-17 14:03

      best idea I've heard all day.

  • Farmworker - 2012-05-17 13:42

    And now DA provoked COSATU, and they don't know that if COSATU could say yes, then the E-Toll is gonna be implemented in a split

      Alan - 2012-05-17 13:51

      Except that cosatu and the anc are at war with each other as well.

      Alan - 2012-05-17 13:55

      er DA provoked Cosatu? hmm - I think not. And Vavi the Chameleon last night tried to turn the issue as being 'poor people getting fed up with rich people'. whaaahaaa - how pathetic was Cosatu response No 4? Vavi is one of the richest (self confessed), and the issue had noting to do with rich/poor. DA is trying to help the youth get into the employment market. And anyway - what the Hell have poor people got to b*tch at rish people for? They should be bitching at the Govt. to give them a decent education. Rich people work to get there, and they provide tax and employment. Vavi is pathetic, absolutely pathetic.

      Peter - 2012-05-17 13:59

      It still wouldnt be implemented even if Cosatu said yes, Cosatu only made a noise they did nothing more to stop E-tolls, cosatu never took anyone to court to stop it, your praise of the thugs in red is worrying

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-17 14:15

      @Alan, DA provoked COSATU. Why not march to government if they want youth subsidy to be implemented. COSATU is no government.

      Alan - 2012-05-17 14:56

      @Siya - they marched to Cosatu, because Cosatu are holding the ANC to ransom on the subsidy, and because the ANC are to toothless to take on Cosatu. The DA is ore concerned with getting the subsidy implemented, to help people get into the job market. The march was legal, and the DA were attacked long before they got to Cosatu House. The DA had agreed not to go right up to Cosatu house. That answer your question?

  • Wanderering - 2012-05-17 13:42

    I think the minister saw the amount of cars that was stauck on the N1 this morning and it struck him his bonus and new car was in jeopardy.

  • Abram - 2012-05-17 13:45

    Defaulting on our debt is simply not an option,can someone please explain to me how does the debt benenefit the poor,i think umanyi uyanya stru

      Alan - 2012-05-17 14:04

      If SA defaulted, we would never get loans or investments. SA has a very small economy and little 'money inthe bank'. We cannot finance our own growth. No investments means job losses. To put it in context, a company like APPLE is worth much more than SA.

  • Phelamanga - 2012-05-17 13:45

    The whole e-tolling saga was concocted and supported by this selfsame cabinet. Let them take a cut in their salaries and financial privileges of about 50% and they can make the commitment to repay the loans from that. But, if they do that, come Mangaung, they will withdraw their candidacy.

  • tk.bhengu - 2012-05-17 13:46

    Remember these moments when elections come.

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2012-05-17 13:49

    Our Lawyers, paid by tax payers money, another branch of the Anc-Elitist leeches foundation they know they will loose but they also know they will make a quick buck, Money signed off by their ANC bed partners. I wonder whose paying the backhand.

  • vernon.samuel.7 - 2012-05-17 13:49

    The ANC is being sneaky. They know that the OUTA is doing fund-raising for their court bills thus far and are finding it difficult paying for the court battle. The longer they draw out the case, the greater the chance of OUTA backing down. They, meanwhile, have unlimited resources in the form of our taxes! So the buggers are using our money to screw us! Somehow seems unfair as we are sponsoring both sides of this battle in some form or the other.

      Alan - 2012-05-17 14:59

      Yeah - and somebody made the point that the govt. is desperate to prevent the full truth on the Tolling deals made come out into the open. Could be a little incriminating and embarrasing for them.

      vernon.samuel.7 - 2012-05-17 15:45

      Embarrassing for our government!!! Come now Alan, when did our government ever do anything embarrassing? :-)

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2012-05-17 13:50

    The government officials, ANC cronies that sign off on these court costs should be made to pay the costs, once they loose.

  • Louis - 2012-05-17 13:51

    Everyone says that the e-tolls will cost civilians too much, increase food costs, etc etc; do you honestly believe that the ANC government gives a damn about what the e-tolls will do to the public? Its about self-enrichment, and that's all it is...

      Alan - 2012-05-17 14:19

      I am not thinking that that will last much longer .. the ANC have failed to deliver on almost all of their promises, people are unemployed and cannot find jobs, taxpayers are overburdened and at breaking point, and scandal after scandal rocks the Anc. Govts. round the world are falling like skittles, especially the corrupt Govts. When people have had enough - the Govt is in big trouble!

  • cromwell.mudzwari - 2012-05-17 13:54

    All of a Sanral is embattled and all that they did was implement government's policy. Poor planning from the Government they thought they were just gonna milk money away from us just like. Jimmy Manyi has a big mouth, I always find his comments coming from a big man with a small mind. Our Govt have forgotten who they are dealing with. we are not paying period and they cant force us.

  • tshep0 - 2012-05-17 14:06

    YAWN Whats next??DA not happy about Manyi's shoes?DUH!!!!!

      Alan - 2012-05-17 14:20

      I am more worried about Jimmy's hands, and what they have been dipping into.

  • tumstone - 2012-05-17 14:15

    the same way government and sanral got themselves in this mess without our concent, they should get themselves out. no citizen of SA knew the numbers involed, so the smart asses that calculated our money as part of the payments towards the dept, should deduct it and find it somewhere else

  • Jean - 2012-05-17 14:16

    Anc for etoll, cosatu against etoll, DA against etoll, cosatu against youth subsidies, anc for subsidies, DA for subsidies. Am I the only one seeing the pattern, the DA really understand the wants and needs of south africa...

  • Kabelo - 2012-05-17 14:16

    Jimmy manyi we won't remember u wen u a gone like u friend cicleka.

  • Mark - 2012-05-17 14:21

    Yes the bullies dont want to listen . Let them go ahead i wont pay the tolls .How arogant can this government be we wherent reconized in this whole debackle but some how we are going to be screwed

  • Konanani - 2012-05-17 14:27

    Pshhh wat izt,DA week?

  • valcooperRSA - 2012-05-17 14:27

    This is like a merry go round....nothing has an end just goes round and round in circles

  • EyesEars - 2012-05-17 14:41

    The government can "bail-out" saa AGAIN, but they can't pay sanral (for which they already received the monies for the road since 2008.) How pathetic!

  • Ntobane Setabola - 2012-05-17 14:47

    Zuma must find another way feed that team of his of wives,e-toll se gat...

      Alan - 2012-05-17 15:00

      appatrently Juju wil be minding cows soon. He may have a good deal for the pres? Or not!

  • thabo.manganye - 2012-05-17 15:04

    u buy a car, u need to pay monthly instalments, insuarance, tracker, petrol(R13per Ltr)servcive, tyres and now e-tolls oh not forgetting the annual fee you pay to the council. Please guys, we are all suppose to enjoy this country. looks like the government is on a mission to get everyone blacklisted. where are we going to get the money after all you take our hard earned money( taxes) to feed your families. this is just but going out of hand.

  • mmmmTim - 2012-05-17 16:40

    The cANCer have actually succeeded in pulling the country together again, as did the World Cup. The more they resist the will of the people, the closer we will get to a full-scale revolt against taxes. General refusal to pay e-Tolls now, refusal to pay the new street parking everywhere, SABC rip-off TV license fees (where is the user-pays principle here?) and so on. The cANCer needs to realise that very soon the poor people will realise that the cANCer really does not care about them at all - I am sory that that is the case. The ANC had a wonderful opportunity handed to them in 1994 and since, and have squandered the chance through pure greed, as did COPE. We need a real alternative that will appeal to everyone, soon.

  • sandy.langenstrass - 2012-05-17 17:08

    Those that are saying..."the anc will never be defeated"......watch out... STRANGER THINGS HAVE HAPPENED......NEVER SAY NEVER.. The more the DA step up and prove themselves...and stay committed the more things can turn around and shock those that doubt.

  • Keith - 2012-05-17 18:14

    Don't you appeal AGAINST a court order? You are, after all, teaching people to use our language correctly. Or you should be!

  • diego.singer - 2012-05-17 19:08

    This is my Letter send to the autodealer of the Motoring suplement that come every week free to all in JHB and got choose " Letter of the week", hope SANRAL listen about it: Good day I been reading all the comments about the E-tolling system, and we know is unfair that a overseas company was choose to do it when we are very capable of doing the same or better job; But my comment is that something is been done to help with the bumper to bumper traffic and need to be pay one way or the other, but why SANRAL took over all the highways just as they expand the highway with only 2 more lanes!; That’s wrong, if they need to Toll to pay for that expansion ok, toll the lines SANRAL done extra not the ones that been around for more than 30 years; A thin divider barrier will do it, people who can afford to pay the toll fees take the express toll way line, when others that don’t mind to lose a minute or two should continue using the lines that been around for long time. In this way trucks carrying essential products won’t be toll and should not be an increase in the main products a family needs every day. Keep the good work : Diego

      Isabel - 2012-05-17 20:04

      Are you crazy? Do you think ANYONE will voluntarily pay these tolls? If so you are so, so naive, my friend. The no-toll road would be clogged in no time and the toll section would be empty of all but taxis and the super-rich. Don't you get it? We are opposed to these roads not only because of the cash factor, but in PRINCIPLE, because we have already paid for these routes. Go and start THINKING, you idiot.

  • chad.blignaut - 2012-05-17 19:34

    The government is aware the Outa is already Financialy burdened. This is why they are going to appeal the case. They are going to take our tax payers money and throw into this case and simply outspend OUTA. Unfortunately they will win in the end if we do not stand up and fight back. The question is how do the people stop this from happening? The answer is throw our money into the pot "DONATE DONATE DONATE" Send sms repeatedly to OUTA get their banking details. Take R50 that you would spend on "Legaly" an e-tag, if the E-toll takes off and send that to Outa and whilst you are at it throw in an Additional R50 that would not be legally bound but rather from your personal resource. If this is not enough add in just one month of what you would of expected to of payed legally for e-tolling, if it took off. This will mean Outa will be in the financial position to literally Outspend them "Gauranteed". This will have them running back and withdrawing their Legal Appoach. Do it Now "GO TO OUTA WEBSITE AND GET THIS BALL ROLLING" Do this ASAP before Government are able to get a handle on this case. http://www.outa.co.za/site/

      chad.blignaut - 2012-05-17 19:35

      The Government is simply shifting the Financial Burden from Sanrail to themselves thus removing the pressure from Sanrail. People should continue to apply pressure on Sanrail even Further. If you Bought an e-Tag go push them for a refund forcing them into further Financial Ruin. If you get that money back then send only half of those monies recieved straight to OUTA. We will crush this E-TOLLING like never before, sending a clear message to all. The people stand for the people, Not the people stand for government. The governement needs to get a clear message that they are there to represent the people, and not the people are there to support the government.

      chad.blignaut - 2012-05-17 19:35

      Here is a quick Calculation for you. If we are to say legally pay R50 for an E-Tag If we are to Legally pay a capped Limit of R550 Then lets for argument sake state the following it would not be unreasonable to expect then that a capped total for the first month would be R600 in real terms of E-tolling Collection So then lets for argument sake say we only have to pay half of the R550 this would then come down to a total of R275 just for your first month in a conservative calculation. Now lets take half of that R137.50 Which is really really conservative in terms of What you would be Legally obligated to pay. Now take the number of people that have reportedly already registered which is in the region of 500000 people. Lets imagine for a second that 500000 people Donated instead of these monies to E-tolling they donated that to OUTA for Legal fees. This would put R68750000 at the disposal of OUTA for fighting and preventing this thing from ever even taking off. R137 is not a huge expectation in terms of a once off fee for the freedom to be heard.

      chad.blignaut - 2012-05-17 19:36

      @anyone who wishes to support OUTA Here is the Link http://www.outa.co.za/site/legal-fund/

  • flinkjon - 2012-05-20 08:01

    Can the ANC not do the honorable thing to set a nation free.And keep it that way.Now they receive new powers from the people and then change to tell they will install e tolls until Jesus come.The custodians of the constitution do not really now how to interpret it same as the bible they use to draw more sheeple.Did they not learned from the past that righteousness bring justice!!!! They speak about dept as if they bear the cost incurred.Seems they made decisions that dwell all around the rands and cents which the masses will never see or benefit from.How can an old poor veteran visit his own people waiting for years to mingle with them still pay the government put into place.I think their lawyers need to tell them the money they pay them is the same funds of the masses.How can they cut off their their resources and plan a dignified career.

  • George - 2012-05-21 19:00

    What about keeping the contractual obligation viz a vis the constitution. This government has broken every provision, from racism to condoning genocide against a vulnerable minority. Shame on you. The ancestors are most unhappy and the tokoloshe will visit many people.

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