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DA marchers take off blue shirts in fear

2012-05-15 12:36

Johannesburg - DA marchers taking part in the march against Cosatu in Johannesburg took off their blue shirts in fear of Cosatu supporters as police fired teargas on Tuesday morning.

While marching down Jorissen Street in Braamfontein, they were met head-on by Congress of SA Trade Unions (Cosatu) supporters wearing red T-shirts.

Cosatu supporters were intimidating the DA supporters and not allowing them to pass as they headed towards Cosatu House.

Police fired teargas at Cosatu supporters to try to control the crowd.

Protest

Several hundred people wearing blue T-shirts converged on Beyers Naude Square in the city centre to protest against the union federation's opposition to the youth wage subsidy.

Democratic Alliance leader Helen Zille, youth leader Makashule Gana, parliamentary leader Lindiwe Mazibuko and national spokesperson Mmusi Maimane led the protest.

The planned route was along President, Rissik, Jeppe, Sauer, Burger, Jorissen, Melle, and Simmonds streets.

Meanwhile, Cosatu supporters in red T-shirts waited outside the federation's offices.

"We are here to welcome the DA when they arrive," Cosatu spokesperson Patrick Craven said.

Earlier, police said the protesters could not end their march outside Cosatu House in Braamfontein. Instead it was agreed they would finish at least 50m away, on the lawns of the Joburg (formerly the Civic) Theatre.

The DA believes the youth wage subsidy will create at least 423 000 jobs for young, unemployed South Africans.

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Comments
  • Tamaranui - 2012-05-15 12:41

    Many of my comrades had to remove their Red shirts for fear of reprisal, Democracy at work.....eish this is bad.

      Kala - 2012-05-15 12:48

      Your commie associates had no reason to be there other than to disrupt and injure peaceful protesters. Meanwhile your unemployed bretheren sit on the side of the road with empty pockets and empty stomachs. The level of stupidity on display by COSATU is unbelievable.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-15 12:52

      Kala, Now I have no shirt to go home with. It was ripped off me back. I see the groupies are under your spell regarding mr. Tsotsi Pienaar. I ain't him checkout the I.P address for common sense sake. He resides in Gauteng and I in Zululand.

      Peter - 2012-05-15 12:58

      @Tamaranui stop stirring troll gtfo

      Alfred - 2012-05-15 12:59

      Reprisal from who? The mobs of violent DA supporters we see everyday on tv throwing rocks and burning cars? Oh wait, wrong supporters...

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-15 13:04

      I hope this DA mob has not burnt my red GTI.....Then it is ON.....

      1amAlan - 2012-05-15 13:36

      Why are so many people taking this idiot's bait?

      Bob - 2012-05-15 13:41

      Tamaranui, read what Kala said and learn, you ignorant person, you think you and your commie friends are the only ones that have the right to march, and your red GTI will be safe, DA supporters do not go around burning everything in sight.

      paulgerber969 - 2012-05-15 13:43

      Comrades hmmm the old Soviet communist ceased to exist.

      Gerald - 2012-05-15 13:46

      Tama If you reside in Zululand what are you doing in Gauteng.I just want you to remember one thing, BLOOD RIVER 16th December

      Sean - 2012-05-15 13:46

      @tamaranui. You are such an idiot and a perfect example of why this country will never work with idiots like you in charge. I can't wait to watch africa starve.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-15 14:00

      @ Shaun, We can not wait for people who want RSA to fail (such as yourself ) to find greener pastures. Read up buddy, Africa has been starving ever since the Colonist arrived.

      Nigel - 2012-05-15 16:41

      Tamaranaui is a troll, Eff off twat

  • Sonja - 2012-05-15 12:42

    PEACE AND DEMOCRACY - MET WITH PIGS AND SAVAGES!

      malcolm.molver - 2012-05-15 12:54

      What else do you expect from the ANC and it's allies? Savages

      Genet - 2012-05-15 12:59

      Absolutely right.

  • Chris - 2012-05-15 12:43

    Patrick Craven just needs a swastika on his arm.

      malcolm.dale - 2012-05-15 15:20

      Craven couldn't make it in his home country so he came here to stir the sh..! He failed overseas in his homeland now he thinks he is the BWANA MKUBA here!!!

  • Mark - 2012-05-15 12:44

    Bullies and thugs! Obviously there is truth to the DA protest given the COSATU defensiveness, hence aggression.

      Andrew Collings - 2012-05-15 12:51

  • Shirley - 2012-05-15 12:48

    These are the workers that drive this country??? They are thugs who are acting like prison rioters and thats where they belong!

  • Manu - 2012-05-15 12:53

    You known what? I am still ignorant about what this whole youth employment subsidy is all about. Does anybody know the details?

      Manu - 2012-05-15 13:23

      Just as I suspected. People are rallying behind a phrase they don't fully understand. Amazing!

      Marion - 2012-05-15 13:43

      @Manu - Just saw your comment. My understanding is that it is a subsidy proposed by Pravin Gordhan to provide training opportunities for the youth so that they can gain experience in jobs. Its implementation has been in stalemate despite the fact that apparently everyone except COSATU believes it is a good idea. COSATU is the dog in the manger. Now stop pleading ignorance when you know darned well what it is.

      NrGx - 2012-05-15 13:44

      What is truly amazing that you are probably the supporter of the red shirts, and a clear indication you would support violence when you dont/cannot understand what the subsidy is about. rather remain silent and be thought a fool, than speak and remove all doubt!

      111wes - 2012-05-15 13:48

      Here let me google that for you......http://lmgtfy.com/?q=youth+employment+subsidy. Regarding all your comments. You need to realize that inciting negativity is not what this country needs. Rather you leave!!!

      Morné - 2012-05-15 14:00

      avatar Morné - Just posted Report comment If you want the technical detail, go buy yourself a textbook or a financial magazine. To me its seems that the youth wage subsidy (and the march) is about taking power away from unions that are currently determining our economic policy and employment structure. It is a first step in addressing unemployment and consequently this ticking time bomb we are sitting on. The unions have no real interest in the unemployed as their main focus is the employed unionists and how much they can squeeze out of employers. We need to have better ideas than the narrow-minded garbage getting spewed at us at every turn. This protest is a way of voicing this in a way that will get through to all spheres of society.

      Manu - 2012-05-15 14:02

      Marion, I don't know what it is and I am offended that you think I do. I am willing to bet that if you went onto the street and asked people what it is most won't know either. Right going back to the subject. How will it create jobs? From the way you have described it it's about training opportunities. How do training opportunities translate into job creation?

      Manu - 2012-05-15 14:05

      I find the attitude here very disturbing. Rather than answer questions calmly and with information, people just lash out. What kind of behaviour is this? NrGx, your response has nothing to do with my question. And where did I say that I support violence? Ease up on the emotion and dial up on logic.

      Zakes - 2012-05-15 14:06

      don't be stupid Manu, once the DA take action then you are starting to asked some stupid question.. Viva DA viva ‘the DA deliveries’. DOWN WITH TRIBALSIM AND FRIENDS OF IMPERIALIST FORWARD WITH THE THRUTH IN DEMOCRACY FORWARD!!

      111wes - 2012-05-15 14:06

      Read the link i sent you. it explains all!!!!!! it provides subsidies to employers to promote the employment and training of inexperienced youth instead of employing experienced others! NOT A HARD CONCEPT!

      Marion - 2012-05-15 14:07

      @Manu - I apologise for saying that you know what it is when you say you truthfully don't. Companies will be given cash incentives to employ youth to train them in jobs so that they can gain experience and after x number of years enter the workforce with experience. Pravin Gordhan originally proposed it. COSATU don't want it because they say older workers will be retrenched / sacked to make space for the young lowly paid trainees. Or something to that effect. NEDLAC has been trying to reach agreement on this but COSATU is always the stumbling block. Once again, sorry. I really thought you were just trying to be provocative. Google youth wage subsidy and you will find many sites where you can get proper background information. Peace.

      NrGx - 2012-05-15 15:11

      Manu: I retort by quoting in your words. "Just as I suspected. People are rallying behind a phrase they don't fully understand. Amazing!" That is the emotional statement which initiates emotional responses. We all knew you knew very well what the the subsidy is about, and subsequently calling fellow "forum-ists" that THEY are the ones that rally behind something they dont understand. My response indicates that your use of wording is nothing more than incitement to uplift your own misinterpretation under the guise of others ignorance. As I said: rather remain silent and be thought a fool, than speak and remove all doubt!

      Manu - 2012-05-15 16:33

      Marion, Thanks for the explanation. You seem to be the only rational person left in the room. Ok from your explanation, yes the idea seems good, but we also have to accept that if no new 'real' jobs are created then cosatu has a valid reason to be concerned. The effect of this youth employment subsidy is to create artificial jobs. Afterall companies are given cash incentives to create those training/artificial jobs. This still remains a zero number game because no new real jobs have been created. So the net effect of this in the long run is to reduce salaries which are defined by the cash incentives. I can understand why cosatu would be worried about this. Remember that the employed work force is their constituency. An employment youth subsidy makes sense in an environment were new real jobs are created. The focus really should be on creating new 'real' jobs.

  • Ad - 2012-05-15 12:54

    I can imagine Vavi wanting to march to the DA's office pretty soon....Thats how gullible he is!

      Nyiks11 - 2012-05-15 15:48

      I can imagine Vavi and Patrick Craven out of breath rolling on the floor laughing at the DA supporters getting their arses kicked . .skop skiet en donder

  • -Pastor Ben Dlamini- - 2012-05-15 12:58

    Helen Zille's idea to march to COSATU house was irrational and provoking, I heart goes out to the injured. Zille is to blame for this mess. Sadly its blacks who are used and put at risk by DA. Since when DA is a black party? shame on you Zille. If I were COSATU Iwould have done the same.

      Shirley - 2012-05-15 13:02

      Whats it like there in LaLa land??

      odupreez - 2012-05-15 13:08

      And YOU call yourself pastor (? a man of the church ? ), thought provoking.

      Shirley - 2012-05-15 13:09

      And by the way-its SAD that cosatu are unable to march without violence,its sad that they behave like crazed thugs and even sadder that THEY are the ones inflicting pain and danger on innocent people! I didnt know we were back in the 70swhere paties were judged by a "black" party or "white" party. What you are saying is that anc is only for blacks?? Get a grip!

      Dirk - 2012-05-15 13:09

      Funny that a man like you who claims to be a Pastor still see black and white. What a hell of a suprise awaits you when you die. There are only souls and they have no colour - not eeven a little bit. Keep on preaching pastor - keep on. God will have his fun with you in many strange ways.

      William - 2012-05-15 13:10

      Oh i understand...its ok for the ANCYL to go to Sandton and demand "economic freedom" (what ever that means) and its fine for COSATU and other trade unions to intimidate schools and non-tu workers, but god forbid Pastor, that another Party puts their foot down on an important issue for all South Africans. Shame on you.

      William - 2012-05-15 13:13

      Fulfilling the prophesy pastor? Sheeps in wolves skin?

      Bob - 2012-05-15 13:17

      You call yourself a pastor..?? SHAME ON YOU...BLOODY AGENT..!!!

      Frans - 2012-05-15 13:18

      Mr. Dlamini, are you really a Pastor or is it your first name. For a pastor your comment is to say the least STUPID. Go read up on the history of the DA - do you know Helen Suzman was and what she stood for? I don't think you do.

      Pieter Mulder - 2012-05-15 13:18

      And you area pastor???????????

      dorovan - 2012-05-15 13:20

      Very christian of you Pastor Dlamini - a so called man of the cloth playing the race card again. WHAT WOULD JESUS SAY?

      Mike - 2012-05-15 13:26

      COSATU. Is a mafia organization run by it's own Jimmy Hoffa.

      Bobo - 2012-05-15 13:43

      I see you false prophets are everywhere....Dlamini

      paulgerber969 - 2012-05-15 13:45

      A Pastor ???? Which church . Bush Church

      Marion - 2012-05-15 13:46

      @Pastor - I'm glad I'm not one of your flock if indeed you are a pastor. Leading the sheep to the slaughter are you? armed with only your ignorance about the DA supporter/member base. Anti-DA individuals always need to drag colour into the debate.

      SNG62 - 2012-05-15 13:48

      You give religion a bad name, idiot!

      Marion - 2012-05-15 13:52

      I actually stooped to checking out Pastor Ben's fb page and he has close on 5000 following him to the slaughter. Shame on you pastor for supporting COSATU when you probably have members of your church who would benefit from something like the youth wage subsidy. Better to keep them coming to your soup kitchen (if you have one) for handouts isn't it. Gives you the power benevolent pastor of the poor.

      Ben - 2012-05-15 13:52

      tell me , are you really a pastor or is it just your name?

      Bob - 2012-05-15 13:55

      Pastor, the only thing you wrote that makes sense is "since when is DA a black party" no they are not a black racist party, they are a mutiracial party that will benefit all the people of this country instead of stealing of them and making false promises.

      arcticencounter - 2012-05-15 13:58

      The DA is NOT a black party as you suggested Pastor. It is a multi-racial party, the same as the ANC purports themselves to be. Shame on the hooligans throwing rocks at peaceful marchers, who are doing so according to their democratic right (although, like Malema once said: "we don't know what this animal, democracy looks like - very evident indeed). I don't know whether you have one of those "Pastor", "Beauty" or "Doctor" first names, or whether you are a pastor by profession, but I would not like to be a member of your "flock" should the latter be true. You are a hypocrite and a charlatan.

      Roy - 2012-05-15 14:48

      Have you ever seen the destruction when the ANC & Cosatu have their illegal strikes? What do you have to say about that You should take off your blinkers and see how your people are destroying this country

      Nyiks11 - 2012-05-15 15:29

      Doctor Khumalo , Professor Mlungisi Ngubane , Pastor Ben Dlamini ,Nurse Ngobeni , President Radebe

      thembinkosi.maseko.5 - 2012-05-15 15:49

      our poor brothers and sisters taken advantage of even the leaders of the march were DA black leaders (lindiwe maimane)

  • Manu - 2012-05-15 13:00

    People complain that what cosatu is doing is not democratic. Actually in a democracy you can protest, and I can then protest against your protest, and you can protest against my protest against your protest, and I can then protest against your protest against my protest, and then you can ... and later we can all have a jolly good time.

      Michelle - 2012-05-15 13:06

      However it is Illegal to injure any other person - assault ring a bell?

      Manu - 2012-05-15 13:17

      Michelle, you are right it is assault. But you have been on this earth long enough to know that when two groups of opposing protestors meet head on there is going to be violence. It's human nature. You go anywhere in the world and this truth will hold. Even in a democracy you can't expect to march to the HQ of a volatile organisation and expect nothing to happen. Quite irreponsible behaviour.

      Jandl Reevo Reeves - 2012-05-15 13:23

      You wrong dick...DA marches for freedom of The youth to help.vavi's thick skull incited Violence by opposing their Peaceful march.did you read The article properly clever Boy.teargas was Fired at cosatu protesters.

      Erna - 2012-05-15 13:34

      You wrong Manu, there doesn't need to be violence! Only stupid people try to solve problems with violence.

      Kala - 2012-05-15 13:38

      Manu - You are dellusional

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-15 13:42

      Manu Manu, When are you going to realize talking """Common sense""" gets one berated here at NEWS24.

      Daniel - 2012-05-15 13:43

      Well then it depends... either a) news24 is only reporting the violent behaviour of COSATU members or b) it isnt human nature but the nature of COSATU's members and I don't see why its irresponsible for the DA to march because COSATU can't keep their members under control. One of our most basic rights is to protest without fear of reprisal or is this another right reserved only for tripartite members and associations

      Manu - 2012-05-15 13:46

      Jandl it's ironic that you complain about respect for freedom of speech and the behavior of cosatu. Well I will tell you something very interesting about the comments on News24 and the respect of freedom of speech. By far the majority of insults, name calling, and racist comments are by white da supporters. This is a fact. Just look at your comment. You call me a 'dick' because I have peacefully exercised my freedom of speech. Your insults and the insults typical of da supporters are just another form of violence ... but it's violence through language and through words. How does this kind of behaviour shape up with democratic ideals? As far as I can see there is very little difference between you and those throwing rocks, yeah you talk democracy but you don't understand it.

      Manu - 2012-05-15 14:06

      Tamarnui, we can but try.

      Manu - 2012-05-15 14:07

      Erna, where did I say that there needs to be violence?

      Michael - 2012-05-15 14:12

      How would like it if it happend to you....its does not happen everywhere in the world...it only seems applicable to uneductaed black fool savages

      Kala - 2012-05-15 14:16

      @Manu - The DA lead march was legal. The COSATU march was illegal and meant to be confrontational. There was no reason for COSATU to have its members on the street. I'll guarantee you if there were no COSATU members there then the day would have been peacuful and no rocks would have been thrown. COSATU are not responsible enough to see the march for what it is.

  • Nigel - 2012-05-15 13:01

    Pathetic & shameful, but no surprise with Cosatu's reaction. Thugs and criminals hiding behind the flag of 'freedom', yet their actions reveal what they truly are and what their real agenda is - i.e. Power not democracy.

  • anthro45 - 2012-05-15 13:07

    The funny thing is that all these Cosatu people intimidating the DA, are unemployed.

  • Paul - 2012-05-15 13:08

    COSATU and its supporters clearly do not support the principles of Freedom of Choice and Freedom of Movement and Freedom of Speach!

  • Edward - 2012-05-15 13:10

    South Africans must be very much afraid of a country where it is okay for others to air their views, and participate in any strike even if it is at risk of loosing lives. Why is COSATU allowed to prevent others from excersing their right. Is COSATU claiming monopoly on strike. Be very much scared South Africans.

      Pieter Mulder - 2012-05-15 13:16

      O yes!!!!!!!!!!!

      Erna - 2012-05-15 13:37

      I am already!

  • Pieter Mulder - 2012-05-15 13:10

    Nice democratic SA.

  • Rose - 2012-05-15 13:13

    COSATU ARE JUST COWARD AND SELFISH,JUST A PEACE OF PAPER...

  • kpaul.z.harrington - 2012-05-15 13:13

    is there like a war? that I perhaps missed, cos I left my ninja shirt at home... don't wanna be caught unprepared.

      Hudayfah - 2012-05-15 13:46

      lol calm down daniel son, the time is not rite yet,wax on wax off.

  • Dirk - 2012-05-15 13:14

    Make your life easy. Don't employ Cosatu affiliated persons. The effect is only on about 10% of this countries workforce so no great shakes. Employ youths willing to learn and work irrespective of colour. Let the fat Cosatu cats sit in their offices and live large while willing and able South Africans of all colours get to work to care for their families. By the way Vavi, what have you done for the Aurora workers that your big friend placed out of work. Pls let us know about the results, not your usual lip service backed by sweet blue F&*ckall.

  • Bob - 2012-05-15 13:15

    SAVAGES...ANIMALS...PIGS.... What about free speech..? NOW MORE THAN EVER..I WILL SUPPORT THE DA.......!!!!!

  • Bobby - 2012-05-15 13:17

    The aggressive reaction from the highest echelons of power in this country to this protest is a display of intolerance and arrogance that they have for any opposition and also a soft foretaste of what is to happen should there be any serious threat to their power base. Democratic rights are to them are but words to attract voters. Be warned SA your so called leaders are showing their true colours and this is only the beginning.

      Erna - 2012-05-15 13:38

      Wonder what our president will have to say about this? Or will his silence be deafening, as usual?

  • William - 2012-05-15 13:18

    COSATU thinks it's only them who have a right to march. Painfully, you will find that those who met DA marchers head-on are the very unemployed youth.

  • Rob - 2012-05-15 13:18

    This type of behaviour simply proves the point that democracy is easily corrupted. Perhaps such actions will lead to justifications for dictatorship.

  • VWhitepaw - 2012-05-15 13:20

    Wait... Did Cosato have approval for their "against" march?

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-05-15 15:15

      Nope, it was illegal

  • Ferdie Van Der Merwe - 2012-05-15 13:22

    You are all a bunch of bloody idiots cosatu!!! You can go to hell for all I care!!! Animals you are. Not humans. Go back to your god for Salem caves!!!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-05-15 15:15

      God for Salem?

  • brionyl.french - 2012-05-15 13:25

    why get ugly?

      Erna - 2012-05-15 13:38

      Because that's the only way they know.

  • mariska.ras - 2012-05-15 13:28

    Keep it on comrades!

  • -Pastor Ben Dlamini- - 2012-05-15 13:35

    who told you Pastors can't comment? I am Black, South African and a pastor of cause. Since when there is no colour in South Africa? there are Blacks, coloureds, and whites. I am black no wonder why I had to spend almost my entire life living in shacks, no wonder why my first salary was less than R700 a month. no wonder why my mother spent her life working for peanuts. do you know why its because we are black.

      Erna - 2012-05-15 13:39

      No one said you can't comment - its what you say that is wrong for a pastor.

      Kent - 2012-05-15 13:44

      @ Pastor Ben Dlamini. No it is not because you are black, it is because you a pastor?!? and your comments do not reflect that.

      Frans - 2012-05-15 13:52

      Shame Ben, your first salary was R700,00 now you're getting thousands from your poor 'followers'. No one said you can't comment, it's just the contents of your comment.

      Bobo - 2012-05-15 13:59

      Stop spitting your racial hate _ Go look in a mirror false prophet...Jesus was a King who ride into town on a donkey, his parents weren`t rich..But can you show me where He ever blamed any other race for it? Self pitty will get you nowhere, blaming others even less.

      Terence - 2012-05-15 14:08

      Pastor Ben do not do this to the Lord, you should be an example to everyone. You should be a leader not s person that complain about things like these. Focus on your calling, people need to see the light in you. You are the salt of the earth, do not do this to our Lord. PLease I beg you. Forgive, and love Jesus more than your race. You will do good in this.

      paganosza - 2012-05-15 14:09

      Not so long ago, my first salary was 700. Must be because I am black. Wait, wrong party. I sucked it up, and now I earn well. Must be apartheid. No wait, too young for that. Wrong party again. Oh wait, I know, reverse apartheid! That's it. As a young, white male, I can tell you all about that. I never stayed in a shack, but I suppose a children's home isn't much better. What's the difference then? Honestly, it's all about HOW you Party!

      Roy - 2012-05-15 14:54

      Read your own little comment and see why you have people commenting against what you wrote. You are NOT a man of the cloth but the devil in disguise.

      Rob - 2012-05-15 15:20

      You forgot to mention that there are people here. Type casting everyone as black, white, or coloured indicates a limited world-view. It would be better to encourage each individual to be themselves rather than some artificial group imposed on them by an external ideology.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-05-15 15:21

      Funny, how my dad and his 8 siblings were dirt poor, couldn't afford shoe laces, let alone food. My late Gran had to work as a domestic worker to make money to provide. 'Lo and behold, none of them are failures, sitting at home complaining; they used what my gran taught them and got off their asses and did something about it. My dad now has his own successful business, because he... WORKED HARD FOR IT It has nothing to do with race. Are you so insecure and ashamed of your skin colour that everything that goes wrong in life is blamed of racism? Shame for you. Instead of you being a racist pastor, you should have had some ingenuity and made a success of your life, instead of preaching bullsh*t and bigotry. God can't help you, help yourself, moron.

  • etienne.human - 2012-05-15 13:38

    All of the above is true. Cosatu is arrogant, democracy failed blah blah. Fact is Zille did not think. Maybe she is trying too hard. WHY does the DA want to go to their level? Why take the battle to their stronghold and battle ground? DA has their own style which worked for them up to now, now Zille wants to show that the DA can ALSO demonstrate where and when they want to. WRONG! You are sitting with 2 supporter basis that comes from 2 different intellectual and socio-economic backgrounds. So she wants to show the ppl she is marching for THEM- eh, wrong decision ms Zille. Loyalty there have deep racial roots. Was this outcome expected? Of course it was. Is the DA prepared to face hand to hand violence in the streets? Is the DA prepared to go bare breasted and even naked to drive their point home? As Cosatu members do? If not, go home and go back to your style of opposition and peaceful protesting. Don't go to their level, it's a fight you can never win.

      Daniel - 2012-05-15 13:49

      very true - but I seem to remember Gandhi pioneering the peaceful protest movement and his supporters were beaten because of it... just not sure this style of protest will have any effect on COSATU and its members although it did on the old S.A. administration

      etienne.human - 2012-05-15 14:22

      I agree Daniel, but remember you need the world's interest to play martyr. Right now africa gets no attention and they see it aa a racial matter. With the simple answer to whites: what the hell are you doing there? Get the hell out! DA just don't have enough black militants to face Cosatu and ANC and then getting the world's attention for black on black violence.

      Manu - 2012-05-15 16:49

      Ah a rational thought. Now if I had said this I will be showered with insults from the usual suspects.

      Mashilo - 2012-05-15 22:19

      Well said.

  • paganosza - 2012-05-15 13:40

    Oh! Parties are now color coded? Damn, ok, 20 years on, I must have been sleeping. I think I need to form my own party, hola pilot.

  • siyambukaarchibald.sikrweqe - 2012-05-15 13:43

    Zwelinzima Vavi thinks he's bigger than South Africa.. F¤¤k him

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2012-05-15 13:43

    Viva DA Viva The new future government, down with Casatu, down with the thugs and bullies.

      hein.abrahams1 - 2012-05-15 15:48

      Can you swim long distances? You better practice and learn fast....or develope fins ...gonna need it.

  • Kenny - 2012-05-15 13:45

    There is only one version of democracy and that's democracy itself however it is interesting to note that when things dont go Cosatu's way Zwelinzima Vavi's mamparas have a different version of democracy which they will use to suppress and intimidate those holding an opposing view Shame on you COSATU

  • Rob - 2012-05-15 13:46

    As a rider to the many comments here referring to COSATU activists as animals I have two points. Quite often a retort is made along the lines that ani,mals do not behave so badly, not sure about that but whatebver... The real issue is There is one facility that makes human different from all animals (as far as we can know), and that is humans (except the pathologically insane) all have an ability to choose there behaviour. Calling the COSATU thugs animals may be satisfyimg but at the same time as reducing them to a lower form (than human) life it also awards them a built in excuse for their behaviour. Still, maybe that is exactly the point of calling them animals...COSATU must be proud of their achievement in distinguishing the perpetrators in this manner.

  • Pixi3kid - 2012-05-15 13:49

    A very clear example of how to protest and make yourself heard! Marching without tyres being burned or rocks being thrown(well until met by other Parties)a good way to get your point across... UNTIL someone comes and F*@cks it all up!

  • Roy - 2012-05-15 13:57

    Vavi should be arrested for allowing his members to use intimidating tactics to stop the DA march. He should also stop blaming "outsiders" because he knows it is his people who are doing this. The ANC,ANCYL can march and destroy property etc but the DA who wanted to hold a peaceful march are stopped. WHY?

  • paganosza - 2012-05-15 14:00

    What we need is a group hug... Lemme take my blue shirt off first :)

  • Michael - 2012-05-15 14:00

    pure savagery....this is the way forward defiantely.....back to the dark ages...why oh why the violence,savages the whole lot.South Africa is going to the dogs...

  • jgmentz - 2012-05-15 14:06

    People should not be afraid of their governments, governments should be afriad of their people.

      Ulindi - 2012-05-15 14:24

      In an democratic government yes :)

  • Matthew - 2012-05-15 14:07

    @SNG62 or we have to fight =/ not anyones favourable choice,but to some,it seems that what it will have to come down to.Nothing you can do when the other half of a country dosnt want or care to "meet you halfway" on anything. so sadly,that dosnt leave to many other options =/

  • ken.marape - 2012-05-15 14:10

    Well even I knew something like this would happen, they should have asked to JUJU to help in controlling the crowd

  • sbekezele.msimango - 2012-05-15 14:14

    I saw it all, when will this thing end coz you hurting each other? They may be wearing DA or COSATU t-shirts but they are our community members, brothers and sisters. Stop it and talk like adults.

  • tlosoul - 2012-05-15 14:15

    serves them right, DA should not march to COSATU house!!! They should march to government offices. Bloody agents.

  • Terence - 2012-05-15 14:19

    Pator Ben, do not sow this type of seed, the type of tree that can grow from it might be worse than you expect. Love the Lord above even your opinions. You will do good in this and do not let your guard down pastor, please I beg you. Look diligently after the sheep entrusted to you and treat them higher than yourself. You will do good in this. Forgive, do not let anything stay in your heart that does not belong there.God Bless Pastor Ben.

  • Vaaldonkie - 2012-05-15 14:21

    Where is that "freedom of movement" thing now?

  • mihaip007 - 2012-05-15 14:49

    I just wonder - why were they trying to block them to go to the cosatu's hq? What were these uncivilised pricks thinking was going to happend? Was the DA going to take and occupy the hq? What??? idiots..!

  • nmateke - 2012-05-15 15:05

    in SA we just changing chards ....All the DA's that I see here are the same ppl who marched with vavi....I wonder what can an idiot like me learn from this

  • kwaaito - 2012-05-15 15:06

    We told them the march was confrontational.., but the cowards didn't want to listen.\r\nRun!!! You rented cows

  • Nyiks11 - 2012-05-15 15:13

    he banna , o maponapona sathane

  • Sikanyiso - 2012-05-15 15:15

    what happened is so unfortunate in a democratic country.

  • EndTheFear - 2012-05-15 15:16

    Is 'nt it sad that a peaceful service protest can degenerate into a Cosatu Rock Concert? Come on guys,this is reflecting very negatively upon SA than you appear to realise and this sort of behaviour reminds me of the xenophobic attacks,where SA's democracy comes into doubt.We need to stand up and rebuke this sort of barbarism from our so called leaders as South Africans.This is nonsense

  • Wela - 2012-05-15 15:28

    WELL SAID MANU THE DA SUPPORTERS ARE THE ONE MAKING INSULTS HERE I THINK THEY STARTED THAT VIOLENCE ,WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS,DA IS USING POOR BLACK PEOPLE, IF YOU CAN READ THE DA COMMENTS THEY ARE INSULTING IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH THEM

      Rob - 2012-05-15 15:42

      Wela: Hello!....sorry if you find that insulting. Try self examination