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Dad kills teen accused of attempted rape

2012-02-07 11:14

Pietermaritzburg - A KwaZulu-Natal father is sitting in jail after police arrested him for allegedly stabbing to death a teenage boy he accused of attempting to rape his 7-year-old daughter.

Sandile Mshengu, 17, died at the hands of a mob who had wanted to hand him over to Hilton police.

But the father would have none of that and is alleged to have stabbed the teen.

The incident has left two families shattered: that of the jailed father and daughter and that of the boy whom some Hilton Valley residents fingered as the attempted rapist.

Rumour

Sandile’s father, Thulani Mshengu, told The Witness he was devastated after his son was killed solely on the strength of a rumour.

“No one actually saw him do anything.

“He was killed based on information that someone had heard from someone else.”

Mshengu acknowledged his son was not perfect, but said he did not deserve to die the way he did.

“He had his problems, as he was facing charges on a stabbing incident in this area, but we are very pained over the incident.”

The girl’s family could not be reached for comment.

Police said the 7-year-old, who was being looked after by an aunt, had been asleep in her room in the early hours of Saturday morning.

Screamed

The girl told police that a boy she recognised entered her room and ordered her to undress.

She screamed and he fled.

The screams alerted neighbours who formed a group to track down the intruder, but they were unsuccessful.

Later that morning Sandile was pointed out by a resident. He was also accused of having broken into a home.

Community members caught up with Sandile at about 07:00 and beat him up. The father of the 7-year-old girl is alleged to have pulled a knife and stabbed Sandile to death.

According to Skhumbuzo Mshengu, Sandile's older brother: “At about 05:30 on Saturday I was awoken by relatives at my in-laws, who told me that a mob was looking for Sandile as they suspected he had committed various crimes in the course of the night.

“I went out looking for him and I bumped into the mob who thought he was staying with me.”

Sandile was tracked down to the home of a relative. Mshengu, who was unaware of this development, said he went to a house where the alleged housebreaking had taken place.

He and the owner went looking for Sandile.

Mob

“On our way we bumped into the mob again. They were now rushing back to their homes and said they had to get to work. None of them mentioned that they had found and killed Sandile.”

He said the mother of the 7-year-old girl was crying hysterically and told him that they had killed his brother.

“The man who killed him went to my aunt and told her: 'I have killed your dog'," said Mshengu.

When he got to the scene he found his brother lying dead on the ground, with a stab wound to his back and several injuries on his head.

“What I learned later was that once the group had caught Sandile, they beat him up and decided that they should call the police to arrest him.

“But the father of the child did not want to hear of that and he pulled a knife and stabbed him,” Mshengu claimed.

The father is expected to appear in court soon.
 

Comments
  • Olivia - 2012-02-07 11:26

    Clearly taking the law into his own hands, enraged to protect his daughter. Clearly nothing will be done if you leave it to SAP.

      Jerolan - 2012-02-07 11:29

      If this boy is guilty then justice has been served

      nowelazn - 2012-02-07 11:31

      @Jerolan: What if he isn't?

      Stan - 2012-02-07 11:54

      "No one actually saw him do anything. He was killed based on information that someone had heard from someone else.”

      Youefoh - 2012-02-07 12:47

      nowelazn, He stated "IF", that means if it's NOT then the opposite will occur.

      Heibrin - 2012-02-07 12:49

      Here is something I find interesting (and I know I'm going to get shot for saying this): A lot of people (the majority?) who comment on News24 have berated the ANC supporters for voting with their emotions, rather than their logic. How is that different from giving comments like Olivia, nowelazn, Marion the thumbs down, and Jerolan the thumbs up (nothing personal, J)? You are motivated by emotion, which has no place in fair Justice.

      Janice - 2012-02-07 12:51

      Yes, just for a second, put yourselves in the little girls fathers shoes...

      Jerolan - 2012-02-07 12:59

      @nowelazn - Youefoh answered on my behalf. Thank you youefoh @Heibrin - No offence taken. You have a valid point. It is juts my opinion that heinous crimes in this country under our justice system will never afford these disgusting criminals "fair" justice. While I commented emotionally, it was because I know that my justice system would not carry out justice effectively

      Tilly - 2012-02-07 14:41

      "No one actually saw him do anything" Hellloooooo how many rape cases have an audience?

      charl4e - 2012-02-07 16:09

      "..and that of the boy whom some Hilton Valley residents fingered as the attempted rapist." bad choice of words for this article. go news24!

      Frank - 2012-02-07 17:40

      I find the concept of mob justice very interesting; you often read about it happening within the poor communities for crimes as "small" as theft. Yet how often do you hear about the community going after criminals that steal, rape and murder people in wealthier neighbourhoods? They are not intent on stamping our crime within society, only within their own community. Everyone in the townships know who the criminals are, yet they will only point out or sort out a criminal that has done something wrong within their own community. I don't quite get it. Is it a racial issue?

      Sharon - 2012-02-07 21:03

      i wonder how he died at the hands of a mob if the father stabbed him

  • Marion - 2012-02-07 11:27

    Mob injustice... Doesn't even say that the little girl identified him. Just that : “No one actually saw him do anything. He was killed based on information that someone had heard from someone else.”

      Heibrin - 2012-02-07 11:49

      So true Marion. People all want a law-abiding country, without corruption & tender fraud, without violent home-invasions etc, etc; and then go and congratulate someone, who is at this stage, a murderer. Either apply justice accross the board, or not at all. And to the thumbns down crowd: look at your son / uncle / father / friend, and imagine someone walking down the street screaming that he is a rapist. Would you congratulate the crowed that assaults him, nevermind the guy that stabs him, all because someone claimed he's a rapist??

      Elle-Black - 2012-02-07 11:53

      @ Marion yeah but he has a case pending for a stabbing incident so ...

      StarStruck - 2012-02-07 11:57

      I agree. There is no proof that this guy actually did it but the mob seemed to know this guy by reputation. It is shocking though that they did not let the police investigate the crimes before jumping to conclusions but then again the police are only here to do the paperwork and not the actual work.

      Marion - 2012-02-07 12:29

      Even if he was in trouble for a stabbing incident it doesn't automatically make him a potential rapist. Does it?

      mike.clery - 2012-02-07 13:07

      This is the tragic consequence of an incompetent and criminal-friendly justice system. Our conviction rates are ridiculously low, sentences are mild, and parole is given after ludicrously short time served. And how can murder and rape cases be allowed to drag on for years, all the while the accused is out in the community?

      rbczovczov - 2012-02-07 15:35

      The government with its failure to draft effective policies to combat crime is responsible for MOB JUSTICE and its effects in case of those wrongfully accused by the mob. The mob has totally lost faith in the justice system of this country considering one can get R500 bail for murder even in the face of a mountain of damning evidence. I can kill you today and be out on bail before you are even buried. What kind of justice is that, which honors the rights of the accused more than those of the victim? ?

      modumo - 2012-02-07 16:00

      This is just a clear indication that South Africans, black, white, purple and blue are just g@@tvol with crime, this should act as realisation to the government, police and their structures that people are fighting and fighting hard to live a decent life with all these troubles we face everyday which also include crime. Crime has eaten away at our pride and dacayed our society. If the government does not show the people that they taking a stance on crime, people will do that for themselves. period.

  • Santapola - 2012-02-07 11:27

    Good riddance..i will do the same if it was my daughter

      Heibrin - 2012-02-07 11:44

      Your daughter who DID NOT identify him? You would kill someone based on hearsay from a neighbour?

  • StarStruck - 2012-02-07 11:31

    Mob justice = Death Penalty.

  • rofras - 2012-02-07 11:35

    i hope rapiest learn something from this..

  • Penny - 2012-02-07 11:37

    so let me get this right'he entered the room and ordered the child to remove her clothing'since when is that attempted rape? if so then when a gnae enters his room and tells a woman to remove all her clothing, he is attempting to rape her??? The problem we have in this country it would appear is that firstly in a large sector of the population, the workings of body/body parts and distinction between good touch and bad touch and privacy are not ever discussed because it is considered taboo.Yet on the other hand having unsafe sex with a partner who's background and sexual history is unknown is OK, having multiple partners is OK, having multiple offspring is OK even if you cannot provide for them. At best this unfortunate teen is guilty of unlawful entry and intimidation but the father is guilty of ignorance and murder

      imoagi1 - 2012-02-07 11:55

      There's a huge difference between a stranger and 'gnae' ordering you to undress... the reaction of a stranger's orders is obviously spiteful and harming! However the father shouldn't have murdered the teen, especially since there was no evidence that it was him.

      Brian - 2012-02-07 11:57

      What is that then Penny? If I come into your room and order you to undress, is that ok then? Unlawful entry is it? What will your husband/boyfriend/father say? Two wrongs don't make a right as the saying goes, but people are frustrated with the perceived lack of justive that prevails. Sorry for the boys parents, but we are rid of a future potential rapist and murderer.

      mike.oosthuyzen - 2012-02-07 12:05

      Oh my gosh, Penny are you serious? You must be incredibly stupid if you cant tell the difference between going to a gnae and having a stranger break into your house wake up your 7 year old daughter and order her to undress. I seriously hope you're joking

      Elle-Black - 2012-02-07 12:11

      @ Penny your statement is really pathetic

      dave.j.colquhoun - 2012-02-07 12:14

      Obviously no children in your life hey!! What if had been you that was being "intimidated"????

      Moi - 2012-02-07 12:17

      Wow...you cannot be serious????? Why else would he tell her to undress? Your "logic" is seriously flawed.

      lungile.mngomezulu - 2012-02-07 12:20

      Penny, does the gynae 'visit' the woman's house in the middle of the night and ask her to undress? and is a 7 year old girl considered a woman these days? Which large population doesn't discuss the workings of body parts? Any touch to a 7 year old by a stranger in the middle of the night is a really BAD touch. Im not saying 2 wrongs make it right,however I disagree with your opinion.

      Perfume5 - 2012-02-07 12:34

      Does this woman have children!!!! Both families have been left traumatised by this incident.

      elsabe.wessels1 - 2012-02-07 12:42

      Penny, cleary you have no problem with the fact that a 7 year old girl should remove her clothes for a stranger. Show some human kindness.

      Lerato - 2012-02-07 13:31

      @Penny Ijooo - really???u wrote/said that aloud???

      David - 2012-02-07 13:41

      Ah come on Penny. If your 'gnae' comes to your bedroom at 12:00 at night ordering you to undress....what will you be thinking? After hour consultation??

      Christopher - 2012-02-07 14:09

      is anyone home??? clearly not! Some things are better left unsaid...and this is one of those times Penny! Actually just by this comment, do not ever voice your opinion...leave everything unsaid!!

      Tilly - 2012-02-07 15:14

      Eish Penny, you're not the sharpest blade in the pack. If you want to be "heard" use the "grey matter" girl.

      Anon - 2012-02-07 15:24

      Penny, if you're quiet, then people will only THINK youre stupid, but when you speak (or in your case broadcast your thoughts), people will KNOW you're stupid

      arlene.hanns - 2012-02-07 15:50

      Penny you are clearly living in another universe.This didnt happen in a gynae's office!!! It happened in a bedroom.duhhhhhh.

      modumo - 2012-02-07 16:06

      Epic Fail...."Yet on the other hand having unsafe sex with a partner who's background and sexual history is unknown is OK, having multiple partners is OK, having multiple offspring is OK even if you cannot provide for them" how does this have anything to do with the article. the other problem is that people dont comment on the article, each article gives u the chance to comment about THAT SPECIFIC ARTICLE, if there was 1 place to comment then you could bring and state such tyhings...I understand its Tuesday but Penny u need to wake up and quick

      Taunyana - 2012-02-07 16:44

      Penny, you ass. You must be from Nigeria. We are fighting for a safe neighbourhood and you come with your jazz. Go run, oxygen wanker

      vsidii - 2012-02-07 21:56

      Penny,even a stupid person looks clever when they are quiet...WHAT REALLY BOTHERS ME MOST IS THAT YOU ARE A WOMAN...we are talking of a 7yr old child...u honestly dont see something wrong with that?

      Silvana - 2012-02-08 06:34

      @Penny. Hope your spaceship is just here to refuel. When a stranger tells you to undress, he definitely has NOT got a "pap smear" in mind.

  • Whitty - 2012-02-07 11:38

    Even if he did not attempt to rape the young girl, he was terrorising the community by stabbing and breaking in. He needed to be put down and deserve to rot in hell.

      Taunyana - 2012-02-07 16:45

      Right Whitty. Whitty for President....Im with you

  • mullervince - 2012-02-07 11:44

    He did what he thought was right, cause there's no law in this country. We salute and support u.

  • Lorenzo - 2012-02-07 11:44

    Geez this is like an episode of Day of our Lives!! Wow. Well good… if I had a daughter who was raped id go to jail for killing the rapist too.

  • Derek - 2012-02-07 11:50

    he died too quickly....should have extended his agony a bit...

  • Felix - 2012-02-07 11:53

    Am I the only one who can't figure out who is who in this story?

      Linda - 2012-02-07 14:31

      Apparently there are some of us who are as confused - does that mean we're a bit thick?

  • Stan - 2012-02-07 11:57

    the story does get confusing at times in terms of who is who...

      sandimzilikazi - 2012-02-07 12:29

      I'm also confused "He said the mother of the 7-year-old girl was crying hysterically and told him that they had killed his brother."

      Marion - 2012-02-07 15:18

      @sandimzilikazi - I had to read that sentence a couple of times but when you have done that it makes sense even if it is very badly worded. The mother of the girl told the brother of the dead boy i.e. Skhumbuzo Mshengu that they had killed the dead boy.

  • mmatau - 2012-02-07 11:59

    none of these criminal activities would be happening if we had proper law enforcement in the country!

      Stan - 2012-02-07 12:03

      are you sure? Point to me one country where there are 'none' criminal activities and think before you type...

  • pws69 - 2012-02-07 12:05

    Indicative of how little confidence the ordinary citizen has in the effectiveness of the police FORCE. I just hope he was actually guilty, and not an innocent dying in vain. Condolences to the family in any event.

  • ivan.coetzee2 - 2012-02-07 12:11

    OMG, tragic in so many ways!

  • Sechaba - 2012-02-07 12:13

    the girl's father should be jailed for life, how can one stab one to death just over the rumour

  • dave.j.colquhoun - 2012-02-07 12:13

    If the justice system was working properly, then I'd agree that the suspect should have been handed over to the SAPS. However, our justice system doesn't work properly when it comes to child rape so how could anyone expect the community to trust the system. Guilty or not, this teenager has served a purpose by letting the message be heard that anyone wanting to commit an act of violence against a small child will know that the community will not tolerate his / her actions and that justice will be swiftly meted out. As a father of young children, I might have done the same. Sad but true!!!

  • Shirley - 2012-02-07 12:15

    If the laws wont help then I geuss people feel the need to apply their own justice. Government and lawmakers have so many laws defending the criminal and a strong conviction and sentence are FEW and far between. If he was guilty-good riddance,one less to support on tax money and allow out on R500 bail so he can do it again!

  • hettie.badenhorst1 - 2012-02-07 12:17

    It seems to me that he lives by the sword ... so he died by the sword....

  • munyaradzi.ncube - 2012-02-07 12:20

    Boy = Rapist Father = Muderer Both = Criminals

      nthabiseng.priklopil - 2012-02-07 14:23

      correction, boy - allerged rapist.

  • Garth - 2012-02-07 12:24

    Savagery, utter savagery. Killed on a rumour and humans that deem themselves civilised exult. How did we get here, to this place of barbarity? Why are we here? While politicians rape the resources and murder the economy the citizens do the same to each other, as if emulating their heroes; but the coin is blood.

      galef - 2012-02-07 12:33

      Garth.......how did we get here?.....we never got here....this sort of barbarity has been around since before you and I were born....its in their nature.....these ppl grew up with kangaroo courts...it was their tradition...but I personally feel he got what he deserved.....I think all rapist should be killed....

      Garth - 2012-02-07 14:09

      Gale - `in their nature', `these ppl', `their tradition' you make a great case for being named a bigot! Do you not see that this is exactly what we do not need in this land of ours - more killing. Yes the anc government is useless. Yes the courts are impotent. Yes the police are mostly inefficient and ineffective. But when a BOY is killed on the SUSPICION and RUMOUR of an ATTEMPTED/THREATENED rape, then I think that our society is in dire trouble and is ripe for violent upheaval. And you and I will be in the front of the firing line, of `ppl' such as `these'.

  • Breinlekkasie - 2012-02-07 12:31

    Well at least we know the 17 year old has been rehabilitated.

  • Chris - 2012-02-07 12:32

    Savages!

  • Lumko Ntshinka - 2012-02-07 12:37

    Im afraid this is what my military dad would do, not only is he overprotective but he is totally discontent over our justice system, a notion shared by most s.african citizens, wont justify this man's action but neither am i going to bash him...

      Charlotte - 2012-02-07 13:53

      Listen, I actually wanted to post the same thing, my military dad would I guess kill too! But you can not have that mindset anymore, times have changed! Especially if you just kill with no evidence or facts...

      Lumko Ntshinka - 2012-02-07 14:21

      I know dear, but lets put ourselves in their shoes, its hard enough having your baby gal, the helpless innocent angel you were supposed to protect with your life assaulted in that manner, its another having the culprit run around free and living without a worry, im not condoning the act but its only natural for a briused human being to resort to the extremes to heal that wound or make sure it wont happen again, when it comes to our military dads that would be killing as thats what a soldier is primarily trained to do.

      Lumko Ntshinka - 2012-02-07 14:21

      I know dear, but lets put ourselves in their shoes, its hard enough having your baby gal, the helpless innocent angel you were supposed to protect with your life assaulted in that manner, its another having the culprit run around free and living without a worry, im not condoning the act but its only natural for a briused human being to resort to the extremes to heal that wound or make sure it wont happen again, when it comes to our military dads that would be killing as thats what a soldier is primarily trained to do.

  • foxiloxi - 2012-02-07 12:39

    The more crime and the less the police do, is going to result in this kind of thing happening more and more frequently!

      Elle-Black - 2012-02-07 12:42

      Too true

  • elsabe.wessels1 - 2012-02-07 12:46

    If every citizen take the law into his own hands, there is no more hope for our country. We still have to abide to the rules and regulations of the law. If that boy is not guilty, the poor dad will probably be found guilty of killing someone who did not do him or his family any harm. What happened to this poor child is bad, my heart goes out to her.

  • Mphotent - 2012-02-07 13:03

    NO COMMENT

  • Sanegran - 2012-02-07 13:19

    The events that occured here don't make sense. 1.If he wanted to rape her he would have attacked her not order her. 2.Maybe this boy was set up by the community for other crimes he committed. With the above said i think this boy must have been a menace to the community and they felt that he should be killed. A mob could not stop one man from stabbing the boy !!!!!!

  • ludlowdj - 2012-02-07 13:41

    Unfortunately Justice is not seen to be one in many cases. In many others the specter of deals and privilege seem to raise their heads. Long gone are the days when courts issue just verdicts, modern law more often relying on who has the best speaking representative and who's attorney knows the loop holes, its therefor no surprise that people are taking the law into their own hands, the police are not to be trusted so who do you turn to? It reminds me of the film "law abiding citizen" which was the center of many debates, the general consensus being that the main character was correct and acted in the only way he could against a corrupt system, but that at the end of the day he acted outside the law and was therefor also fully accountable.

  • Patrick - 2012-02-07 13:47

    Jungle justice seem to work as our judiciary does not.

  • Johann - 2012-02-07 13:53

    When there is no more law and order ,people wil take the law in their own hands,because they see the failure of state to maintain law and order. And if there is no law , the law of the mob wil prevail.

  • Tshepo - 2012-02-07 14:13

    ...good riddens 2 bad rubbish, pity abt de lil girl's father though.

  • Paul - 2012-02-07 14:25

    alleged rapist dead based on hearsay... the father of the child's father is facing charges...can we trust that justice would be served , find out what really happened?

  • Bokfan - 2012-02-07 14:31

    This is the anc legacy of hopelessness at work. The pigs drink and eat on behalf of the masses who slaughter each other at will.

      Sanegran - 2012-02-07 15:51

      What has the ANC got to do with this. Please don't make stupid comments i am sure you must be some sad Afrikaner.

      Victor Vusi Radebe - 2012-02-07 17:10

      Go to New Zealand Bok. This type of crime happens all over the worl.

      Heibrin - 2012-02-07 17:30

      Victor, I beg to differ, mob justice as it happens in South Africa, in particular, and Africa in general, differs a great deal from riots happening in Europe, the US etc. None of the riots kicks off by someone accusing another of a crime, and the mob then killing said person. Take care: i didn't say there is no vigilante justice, only that there isn't mob-justice.

      Evaline - 2012-02-07 21:12

      Victor, I've only been living in South Africa as of July and I have to say that mob justice does not occur all over the world in the manner it occurs in South Africa. There may be be cases vigilante justice elsewhere, but none where a person is accused of a crime and they are then chased down and killed by a mob.

  • Greg - 2012-02-07 14:39

    mobs unlike the justice system usually get the right man.no community will just act on hersay. he also must have done more than just order the girl to undress.and when do we act after he rapes your daughter. if he didn't succeed now he would have later. sad but neccesary. give the father a bells.

  • drakelivingstone - 2012-02-07 15:03

    Does rape justify death... Really? I mean seriously? Have we reverted to a past stage in history where if you commit a crime you should be put to death??? USE BRAIN CELLS PEOPLE - NOT THAT HARD. What i do personally believe in is if you are unholy enough to take a life from this world, then your life does not deserve to be in it either!!! All on sufficient evidence ofcourse.

      Elle-Black - 2012-02-07 15:49

      @ drakelivingstone what if you are unholy enough to try and rape a 7 year old,what then?

      Lindiwe Skosana - 2012-02-08 08:09

      I truly hope you don't have a daughter and if you do, you never ever get some scumbag trying to take away her innocence like that.

  • lungile.mngomezulu - 2012-02-07 15:12

    Reminds me of the movie called " Law abiding citizen" where a man failed by the justice system took matters in his own hands!

  • arlene.hanns - 2012-02-07 15:51

    Is the girl 7 or 17?

  • arlene.hanns - 2012-02-07 15:56

    It's alleged people...Put yourselves in his family's shoes.They had to hear that their "dog" has been killed, just based on a resident who pinted him out without the child present.

      Taunyana - 2012-02-07 16:26

      Arlen, you are mentaly sick, this savage was also wanted for house breaking. If I meet you maybe I kill you also. We need a safe street for our kids. Kill any animal that is suspected, the remaining will behave.

      Heibrin - 2012-02-07 17:33

      @Taunyana: OK, you are suspected. I say so, so it must be true. By your own words we need to kill you. Is how naive your comment is beginning to show through?

      Zimbobwe - 2012-02-07 19:15

      If I have a son who have a pending case of stabbing I would be relieved. Next thing he comes to your suburb to steal, rob and rape your family. Kill them young they don't grow to commit more henious crimes. If he stab then he must be stabbed period.

  • kellyann.karna - 2012-02-07 16:03

    i would have done the same thing if that happened to my daughter

  • Deon - 2012-02-07 16:06

    Our police and justice dept are not the best in the world but rather let them decide on who is guilty and who is not. The mob should also be locked up for kidnapping the boy and being part of a murder.

  • Taunyana - 2012-02-07 16:21

    Well done father...killl the dog. This daily rape must come to an end. I would have done the same too, if it was my daughter

  • Dave De Jager - 2012-02-07 16:44

    Savages!!

  • flysouth - 2012-02-07 19:03

    Amongst the 90 or so murders per day in SA, this is not even a ripple in a small pool! Dunno what everyone gets so worked up about.

  • Lynn - 2012-02-07 22:42

    Live by the gun - die by the gun. He sounded like a bloody skollie of note. He was up for a stabbing incident and it appears he was well known in the area getting up to all sorts. He clearly is on bail and probably has a string of offences behind him. They say he stabbed and was involved in housebreaking incidents. Even the father admits his son was perfect. So maybe the taxpayer has just been saved a few bucks by getting rid of more scum. The justice system failed by letting him go in the first place. Good riddance.

  • Silvana - 2012-02-08 06:24

    Barbaric action because of the ineffectiveness of our justice system. Had the police been called, it would have taken years to go to trial. In the meantime, the alleged rapist would have been out on bail. I don't condone what happened, but I can empathise.

  • Saamprater - 2012-02-08 06:36

    Thank you Vavi, Blade, JZ, Malema and our beloved (ex) minister of police Selebi. The mob will do these things because you abdicated your responsibility to the people of this country. Sies!! to all of you and you don't deserve another vote, ever.

  • Kimon - 2012-02-28 15:17

    Failing justice system = Mob justice!

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