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Dalai Lama saga 'bad publicity for SA'

2011-10-05 10:12

Johannesburg - The Dalai Lama's cancellation of his trip to South Africa was a "huge, huge publicity disaster for our country", a political analyst said on Wednesday.

"There's only one Dalai Lama in the world and only one Desmond Tutu in the world and if any country misses the opportunity to host them or to treat them with courtesy, you can bet that that becomes the worst news about that country - and that is exactly what has happened to our country now," said professor Tinyiko Maluleke, executive director at the University of South Africa's (Unisa) research department.

"[It is] a huge, huge publicity disaster for our country."

Maluleke said he was "astounded" at the way the government handled the Tibetan spiritual leader's visa application.

Disrespectful


The Dalai Lama announced on Tuesday that he had cancelled a planned trip to South Africa to attend Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu's 80th birthday celebrations at the weekend.

He had cancelled the trip because no visa had been granted to him.

"I think it is quite astounding that the Dalai Lama is refused entry into this country, it doesn't make sense at all," Maluleke told SAfm.

"I think that the government is disrespectful of us, the citizens of this country. At least by now, they should have issued an explanation as to why they have behaved the way they have done, and not just to the Dalai Lama or to Tutu, but to the citizens of this country."

He said it would have been in South Africa's interest to host the Dalai Lama.

"It's probable that China has put some pressure on the government. We don't know, but at the end of the day it is not about China, it is about South Africa.

Sad day in South Africa

"Why is South Africa allowing itself to act in this manner when it has the history that it has, the Constitution that it has... led by the government of a liberation movement. Why is South Africa doing this? I think it is quite sad day in South Africa."

It is widely believed the government had buckled under pressure from China - its biggest trading partner - which deems the Tibetan spiritual leader a "splittist" and discourages foreign leaders from hosting him.

Tutu made front-page headlines on Wednesday after responding angrily to the visa debacle and saying that he would pray for the downfall of the ANC.

"I think that the archbishop's reaction is quite understandable... it's a reaction of anger and disappointment. I think all those words about praying for the downfall of the ANC government are really a signal of frustration," said Maluleke.

Comments
  • Pixie1984 - 2011-10-05 10:15

    A huge publicity disaster? Duh! The ANC is a disaster too. Tutu hit the nail on the head!

      Aish - 2011-10-05 10:21

      Dont worry Tutu, I will be praying with you :)

      ChrisKhoza - 2011-10-05 10:22

      "Tutu hit the nail on the head!" - You mean when he called for "white apartheid tax"? Amazing how one person can move from being "a senile old man who must not be taken serious" to a "most revered person"

      StoneFlint - 2011-10-05 10:30

      Yep....The bottom line is....Nothing has changed since apartheid!! One extreme government replaced by another.

      daaivark - 2011-10-05 10:30

      Get a life Chris.

      Pixie1984 - 2011-10-05 10:31

      @ChrisKhoza http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/Content.aspx?id=150751 - read it. Maybe a bit of perspective without selective newsreading would help. Desmond Tutu voices his opinion when necessary, just like you and I. Besides, this situation with the Dalai Lama affects each and every South African, black or white. It displays our governments stance on foreign policy (MADE IN CHINA)and quite openly shows us that they are doing things on their own agenda and not representing South Africans or our country like they should be.

      Gazza69 - 2011-10-05 10:31

      This idiot ANC government has only provided "bad publicity" for SA....So why the big surprise? The Chinese are the masters of our puppet government.....

      Meanleader - 2011-10-05 10:34

      Maybe Tutu will rethink the white tax he recently vomitted up ....we are the only people outraged by this , and offering moral support . Maybe the old man has just learned something about his beloved ANC ...never too old to get an IQ . I am glad for this , because when the whites in SA point out racist laws , and corruption , the world stands still . this has put these morons in the spotlight ...investors will now start to get nervous , and use their trust sparingly when investing in Africa .

      Civil_Rights - 2011-10-05 10:35

      Now the poor man will be forced to jump the border. First it was poor service delivery, than fraud and corruption and now the delay in the Dalai Lama's Visa application. Such issues should be a wakeup call for South Africans to exercise their democratic rights by voting with sense.

      Fred - 2011-10-05 10:38

      Well, there is one consolation. Now the rest of the world is going to understand exactly what sort of immoral and corrupt leadership the ANC government provides in South Africa, and what sort of odds the decent people in this country are fighting against. Hopefully they will scrutinise what happens here, and understand that we are just the latest "banana republic". Problem is that we need decent government and investment to build up this country, and we certainly aren't getting it from the ANC, but maybe this sort of publicity will start to put pressure on the government to change their ways.

      ChrisKhoza - 2011-10-05 10:38

      @Pixie1984, I'm fully aware that Tutu, just like you and I, raises his opinion on issues affecting South Africa and its citizens. But the point I'm putting across is that when he raises his opinion that you dont agree with (like the "white tax") you call him "an old man who should just shut up and enjoy his retirement" but when you happen to agree with his opinion (like the Dalai Lama issue) he becomes a hero. How convenient...

      Civil_Rights - 2011-10-05 10:43

      Next thing will be Braaing sushi at braais. Jackie Chan got to the shower head.

      Point Blank - 2011-10-05 10:45

      @ChrisKhoza, I assume when you talk of "you" you not generalising? Heaven forbid man, get a grip. The two are worlds apart in relevance... weak comments Chris, really weak. Try apllying a little perspective here.

      My Father - 2011-10-05 10:49

      The entire SA politics is already in disaster, because we have to compromise the pressure from China. China does not even care. They have already moved on to different African countries. Dumb ANC.

      Matt :-) - 2011-10-05 10:52

      @ ChrisKhoza - I had the same thought. But you know what - as much as one should point out the wrongs in life, one should also commend the good things. I still don't like Tutu for his various apostasies and the "wealth tax" was just wrong, but yesterday he at least intended to do what many people are doing already - praying for the ANC's downfall!

      Charles N - 2011-10-05 10:53

      The reality is that the ANC is getting a lot of funding and back-handers from the Chinese. Why would they bite the hand that feeds it!?!

      Pixie1984 - 2011-10-05 10:57

      @ChrisKhoza Why are you generalizing? Assumptions, as they so eloquently say, are the mother of all f%$k-ups. Do you think that because of the white tax thing, all the whites are suddenly schizo in their choice of backing Tutu up? Look at the bigger picture. Really.

      Travie - 2011-10-05 11:08

      good, This same man put a x next ANC, and wants us whites to have more tax. What goes around comes around. Now that you are feeling how we feel u upset....shame....

      Barry M - 2011-10-05 11:11

      Fight back - boycott chinese products - it is the only way we can make our feelings known and make a positive difference.

      Travie - 2011-10-05 11:17

      @Barry, I dont no mate I prefer to have my tv and xbox and decoder and radio and alarm clock and watch and computer, you willing to sacrifice all that so that Tutu(man who wants us to pay double tax) can have a nice party?

      I_Say - 2011-10-05 11:29

      I have a suspicion that SA is building relations with China that will support us when JuJu's land/Mines/Banks grab policy is effected....

      Bronni - 2011-10-05 11:48

      @ChrisKhoza Tutu did not call for white apartheid tax, he suggested a wealth tax, which is very different and has no race.

      Smart Man - 2011-10-05 12:16

      @ Coconut,i do not care whether you are religuos or not but you do not talk about prayer that way. some of us do beleive so please if you don't mind, say nothin about prayer and God again.

      jonno - 2011-10-05 13:09

      tutu is rightly pissed off that after all he fought for, he has to suffer this disrespect, limiting his freedoms (and ours) like that... its just pathetic. and btw to all the people on about the once off white tax. whats wrong with that? wouldnt it be a gesture of reconciliation? besides, last time i checked we are just plain wealthy and likely to stay that way! and didnt he say wealth tax? not only whites? but even if it was only whites, who cares? though the gov does need to stop taking the piss with our tax money before anyone will pay another cent more!

  • falcon2020 - 2011-10-05 10:17

    imho this is the best thing that could happen this week....even Julius like white folks today. So thank you Mr Lama and Tutu.

      kolobe - 2011-10-05 10:25

      'bad publicity for SA'over a birthday party?vice Jesus better be turning 8 and not 80 with such drama. china is our biggest trading partner and brithday parties are not a bigger priority, finish and klaar

      falcon2020 - 2011-10-05 10:28

      @agree, GOVERMENT could have played it differently, cause now they look incompetent - Attended a NASA lecture at the CTICC - now there's some clever brothers around - we need to get some of THAT Into government!

      daaivark - 2011-10-05 10:31

      What are you trying to say?

      Big mack - 2011-10-05 10:31

      Eish Kolobe, there really is no end to your stupidity is there? Do you have to practice hard to be a twat or does it just come naturally to you?

      daaivark - 2011-10-05 10:33

      Kolobe, your party-line allegiance is admirable but very short-sighted. The party stuffed up big-time here, and this is just so obvious.

      Pixie1984 - 2011-10-05 10:35

      Kolobe, birthday party aside, it become a problem when another country starts deciding who we can be friends with because we want brownie points. Do you honestly think China will stop trading with us if we let the Dalai Lama into the country? They need to exploit us as much as our government wants their money. Do the math.

      Civil_Rights - 2011-10-05 10:40

      Your grammatical errors and structuring of sentences is 'bad publicity for SA'and your brain.

      jen - 2011-10-05 10:42

      @civil rights: was that your valuable contribution to this blog today?

      PB - 2011-10-05 10:44

      kolobe, you just can't let an opportunity go by without re-affirming that you are totally clueless. Here, read this s l o w l y, maybe then you will get the general gist of what the rest of us are p!ssed off about : I know it seems to be about a party - but duffus, it is not what all of this is about. THE GOVERNMENT ARE NO LONGER ALLOWED TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IN SOUTH AFRICA - THE CHINESE MAKES THOSE FOR THEM AND THEN TELL THE ANC WHAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO. GET IT? You and your fellow joufs are forever ranting and raving about job creation - how many jobs are lost because of chinese imports (of totally crap quality)? How many South Africans, no let's rephrase - how many young BLACK previously disadvantaged, jobless South Africans are employed by the thousands of chinese shopowners? How many local BLACK workers are employed on the countless chinese contracts (such as the pipeline from the Vaal dam to Sasol)? NIKS, NOTHING, ZERO.

      Vela Stardust - 2011-10-05 10:45

      @falcon. Why are the clever brothers not in politics? Very sad for South Africa. In general, brothers with the lowest IQ possible are voted in and PAID with taxes to run this country. Dangerous state of affairs! The clever brothers must step up to the plate PLEASE!

      Matt :-) - 2011-10-05 10:45

      @ Falcon2020 - yeah I know - Julius will die for whites and Tutu wants the ANC to crumble... have we entered a different dimension or something? Next thing you know, JZ will go celibate...

      jen - 2011-10-05 10:49

      KB: And those lowly paid workers never return to China after the work is done in order to grow the Chinese population in Africa. In most cases they use soft criminals to do construction work in other countries.

      allie - 2011-10-05 11:04

      This fiasco has got snake Mothlanthe written all over it.Zuma is bad but this even exceeds him.Moth,the quiet ,sternface ,unsmiling one with his loudspeakerfriend Malemmer.

      Cliff - 2011-10-05 11:05

      Kolobe, Once again you show us all what a low IQ you must have you bumbling idiot.

  • jen - 2011-10-05 10:17

    Although every other Tom, Dick (especially) and Harry can come and get asylum, get illegal grants and jobs and have a mafia-like war on our turf. Al paid for by a handful of citizens.

  • Not Black - 2011-10-05 10:19

    WHO IS ALLOWED INTO SA? ? African Poverty Architects ? American 2 Faced Politicians ? Angolan Corrupt Oil Barons ? Bangladeshi Credit Card Scammers ? Brazilian Narcotics Mules ? Chinese Human Rights Violators ? Chinese Sweat Shop Owners ? Congolese Rapists ? Croatian Criminals ? DRC Car Thieves ? Egyptian Corrupt Rulers ? European Arms Dealers ? Greek Assassins ? Guinean Dictators ? Haitian Ex Dictators ? Indian Industrialist / Govt Manipulators ? Israeli Mafia ? Italian Mafia ? Ivorian Warmongers ? Japanese Whales & Blue Fin Tuna Killers ? Lesotho Stock Thieves ? Liberian Diamond Connected Ramp Models ? Libyan Murdering Despots ? Moroccan Bouncers ? Mozambiquan Fraudsters ? Namibian Seal Cullers ? Nigerian Drugs & Scams Lords ? Pakistani Revenue Fraudsters ? Russian Human Traffickers ? Rwandan 'Generals' ? Saudi Addict Gamblers & Speculators ? Scandinavian Dolphin Cullers ? Serbian Assassins ? Somali Pirates ? Swazi Sex Maniac Kings ? Swiss Corrupt Bankers ? Thai Prostitutes ? Turkish Gambling Machine Pedlars ? UK Honeymoon Murderers ? Ukrainian Nightclub Owners ? Venezuelan Dictators ? Vietnamese Rhino Hunters ? Zambian Ex Despots ? Zimbabwean Dictators ? Zimbabwean Illegal Immigrants ? Zimbabwean Land Grabbers Now who does NOT GET INTO SOUTH AFRICA? Nobel Peace Prize Winners... Says it all about the State of this Country, I REST MY CASE.

      Pekkie - 2011-10-05 10:25

      Agreed, but at the end of the day its crime that will unite all victims of it to beat it back into the hole it came from, the ANC have lost huge ground, The Black elders are still respected in their communities and Tutu was part of their lives in one way or another, they will turn the tide against the ANC, they will get tired of swimming against the current and drown!

      jen - 2011-10-05 10:31

      NOT Black: I so agree with you. But effing sadly these glutonous, stupid and greedy politicians won't read this blog. The time has come.

      Dal68 - 2011-10-05 11:20

      Man, we are a truly colourful nation with all the scum allowed into our midst......or are we screwed into oblivion through it?

      Susan - 2011-10-05 12:13

      ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      York Hunt - 2011-10-05 14:57

      Agreed, brilliant comment!

  • Mark Fysh - 2011-10-05 10:19

    Finally, the Emporer has lost his clothes.

  • King Solomon - 2011-10-05 10:20

    China is the playground bully and Zuma is the coward who won't stand up to him.

      sabc10 - 2011-10-05 12:59

      King Solomon you're blind and prejudiced as a bat....you have closed your eyes to the USA.

  • Born To Fish - 2011-10-05 10:20

    ja baas china! Sorry Baas China, Will not do that again Baas china!

      sabc10 - 2011-10-05 11:36

      Ag siestog ! You sound guilty of doing something bad to chinese people?

      James - 2011-10-05 11:37

      Spot on "Born To Fish" ..... the ANC has gone from having a "white" master to having a "yellow" master ....... they can't go with having a Master watch over them ...... :-)

  • King Msendi - 2011-10-05 10:24

    "I think that the government is disrespectful of us, the citizens of this country." The majority of this country don't even know who Dalai Lama is. This will pass like Tutu's call for whites to pay "tax". Since the day he made the speech about tax, he was a bad man but today he is great man. Something positive will happen and this will be over…

      daaivark - 2011-10-05 10:36

      I think you do your people a great injustice by asserting so blithely that the majority do not know who the Dalai Lama is. Our people, though often very gullible, are no longer completely in the dark. People use phones, do the facebook thing, watch news. They DO KNOW what is going on, and I reckon that Bishop Tutu is a great deal more popular and influential than you appear to concede. This was a blunder of huge proportion.

      Point Blank - 2011-10-05 10:48

      @King Msendi, don't assume everyone is as stupid and ignorant as you... what an insult. Go play with a panga.

      Lab-Rat - 2011-10-05 11:03

      The majority of the country can't count to 2 but that doesn't mean that we should abandon maths because of it.

      King Msendi - 2011-10-05 11:05

      @Daaivark… I do respect your comment, but I know what I am talking about. Not knowing Dalai doesn't mean that you are stupid…

      King Msendi - 2011-10-05 11:14

      @Point Blank… An insult is calling me 'ignorant and stupid'. Anyway you are forgiven… I don't argue with people like you…

      Gaina - 2011-10-05 11:54

      there are more than a hundred white people in South Africa, chances the one who in thse past lambasted Tutu are not the same people who praise him for his stance now, and anyway they are completely different issues which people are allowed to comment on. Personally I thought the Tutu was playing for the camera and enjoyed himself - always thought he was a bit of a clown. I am sorry the majority don t know about the Dalai Lama its their loss. The state of government in this country is pathetic, and education even worse.

  • Ngqeku - 2011-10-05 10:24

    The Archbishop will be fine after a while. Stop making this a big deal

      Koos Poggenpoel - 2011-10-05 10:33

      @Ngqeku - but you won't. The Arch at least has a brain......'nuf said! Racist Tjop!

      Ngqeku - 2011-10-05 10:51

      Its just a birthday bash. That's all it is. Why should it cause animosity?

      jen - 2011-10-05 10:56

      He might, but SA image won't be. Zoomer and the SA government is the laughing stock of the world, even here in East Africa where I live.

      Together - 2011-10-05 11:02

      Because it shows the entire world that SA no longer understands who or what is important in the world, that SA makes decisions without understanding the impact of those decisions, and that SA simply has bad manners and a very weak will. I'm not sure how the passing of TIME is going to change any of that. If you don't understand the importance of this issue, scroll back and read the previous articles and comments, then Google to find out what it's about. Which is what Home Affairs could have done, I guess.

      Prof - 2011-10-05 11:20

      Ngqeku -- tell them. very soon he will be talking about the wealth tax. It's their hero now because of his birthday party.

      Voyager - 2011-10-05 11:23

      @Ngqeku You don't seem to understand the bigger issues at play here. 1) The cANCer has made South Africa China's biaaatch. If they can dictate to us who we allow into our country, what else are they dictating to us. 2) The cANCer feels it is not answerable to it's own citizens but does feel it is answerable to it's Chinese masters. 3) For the cANCer, money means more than principles. 4) Our country, which sought the help of many other nations in our dark days now turns its back on others in similar need - the cANCer has thrown away our moral compass. So you see, this is more than just about a party - have far-reaching implications. Phansi cANCer, phansi!!

      woogoo - 2011-10-05 12:28

      Now do you really see a Tibethan Monk as a religious FANATIC - now what on earth would Osama Bin Laden then be - sorry go read the definition in the dictionary - or try wikipedia on the net on what fanaticism and specific religious fanaticism is???? Sorry but then a lot of Christians are also religious fanatics...... Are you going to ban them as well - Are you going to ban the ARCH as well? How on earth can you compare the winner of a Nobel Peace Prize be to a fanatic like Osama Bin Laden? Looks like something got lost in translation or interpretation or is it just grabbing to "populist rethoric" out of (read "made in") China?

  • Lonewolfman - 2011-10-05 10:25

    From your lips to Gods ears, we need better values for our Youth as they are growing up thinking Malema is God and crime pays.

      woogoo - 2011-10-05 12:29

      AMEN

  • Banana_Republic - 2011-10-05 10:26

    The Dalai Lama lives in India, India trades with China, China trades with India. So whats the problem????

      Parko - 2011-10-05 10:33

      India and China trade out of necessity , but they are certainly not friends

      Not Black - 2011-10-05 10:35

      Yes Correct, But China is S..T SCARED of INDIA. Both Economically, Intellectually & Militarily. India does not bow to ANYONE, Not the EU, Russia,UK or the USA. I REST MY CASE.

      jen - 2011-10-05 10:37

      No love lost between China and India.

  • EnglishBoer - 2011-10-05 10:27

    Everything the ANC does or says is bad publicity.

  • willieman - 2011-10-05 10:27

    Let us close this topic and move on

      Normaldude - 2011-10-05 11:37

      Willieman You move back into your deep slumber, us people with a bit of brains want to air our opinion :You go back to GAGA Land ZZZZZZ

  • daaivark - 2011-10-05 10:30

    So tell us something that is not patently obvious to a one-eyed deaf-mute.

      Matt :-) - 2011-10-05 10:48

      Oh I'm sorry Daaivark, I didn't know you were a one-eyed deaf-mute ;-) (lol)

      Barry M - 2011-10-05 11:09

      Matt - Pekkie told us he was - yesterday! Like two kids fighting over a toy!

      Badballie - 2011-10-05 11:19

      depth perception and the sound of one hand clapping for starters.

  • tootingdel - 2011-10-05 10:32

    Excellent assessment of the situation We must rid ourselves of this self-centered government and it's hangers-on. I still find it incredible that a government made up of so-called freedom fighters cannot find themselves able to host someone who represents another freedom cause. Shame on them all!

  • againstbiascomments - 2011-10-05 10:34

    the ANC government is worried about all the fongkongs from China, eish this government of ours

      bushy4life - 2011-10-05 11:23

      Ask the Government to try and explain that their relationship with China is beneficial to the country to the thousands of now unemployed textile workers.However,this must take place in a hall on the Cape flats and the venue doors must be locked with only the Goverment officials and the 'Mense'inside.They will soon find out what 'MOER HULLE ' means!!!!!

      sabc10 - 2011-10-05 11:42

      You mean that : If you look around you there are already many fong kongs in south africa and they ain't chinese.

  • MandlaSithole - 2011-10-05 10:35

    I've been looking for reasons to start praying. I think I've found it.

  • Enigma - 2011-10-05 10:37

    Thanks Prof, but calling it a publicity disaster is putting it mildly. The whole Dalai Lama visa fiasco spells disaster upon disaster for our country and it seems that the government of the day (I wonder for how long) are blissfully unaware what consequences their shortsighted stupidity might have. The rest of the reasonable thinking world must think of all SA as utter fools.

  • Niren - 2011-10-05 10:41

    Does this damage our chances of landing the SKA project? Like so many other negatives coming out of our so called leaders, I think it does affect our chances.

  • Snowcap - 2011-10-05 10:44

    I'll wager that this has very little to do with incompetence or inefficiency on the part of the relevant department that issues visas in the SA government. This is much bigger. It can all be explained very simply and even one word should be sufficient: China. They have done it to other countries that they trade with or lend money to, and I have very little doubt that they have done it to us. Very recently the esteemed Zuma and other officials had very high level dealings with China, and one of the conditions set by them would have been: do not grant a visa to the Dalai Lama. China annexed Tibet during the "cultural" (euphanism for control and oppression) revolution, the Dalai Lama went into exile, and he has been a thorn in their flesh and an embarrassment to them ever since. All he wants is his country back and the freedom of his people. Today, "Maoist" insurgents funded and organised by China cause instability in Tibet.

  • MoZaHo - 2011-10-05 10:45

    And now our petrol will go up, the Rand will fall further, and the ANC fat-cats get richer. Lovely.

  • Cire - 2011-10-05 10:47

    Tutu is, for once, correct on this issue - other than that the man is an idiot!

      Point Blank - 2011-10-05 10:49

      Like you.

      Ngqeku - 2011-10-05 10:57

      You only love or support any black man when it suits you. You don't even know what you are about

  • Nasturtium - 2011-10-05 10:48

    Tutu took the words right out of my mouth! My thoughts and prayers accompany those of Desmond Tutu! May you live long.

  • carvern jacobs - 2011-10-05 10:49

    A few years back they did the same thing, he applied for a visa and they did not grant it cause they were worried it was wgoing to affect their chance of a deal with china

  • Cliff - 2011-10-05 10:54

    The bloody goons are running this country what can we expect!

  • eloffler - 2011-10-05 10:55

    Yep, no more local manufacturing for the genetically inept and incapable black masses. China will now supply it all and the white man will fill the tax coffers with his genetic intelligence and knowhow. However, there'll be more emptying of the tax coffers by the corrupt black masses, more borrowing then from the Western world, and more devaluation of the Rand. Like Rhodesia, these mongoloids won't be able to repay the huge loans, and so the currency here will be devaluated in order to offset. Those one man, one vote black mongoloids at the top of government will be the only ones scoring, with their harems and lavish lifestyles funded by white taxpayers.

  • Damian - 2011-10-05 10:57

    Pretty soon, the ANC will extend an invitation to the Dalai Lama following the public backlash. But it will all be smoke and mirrors. The Chinese are not stupid, they will realise that for their continued colonization of (South)Africa, they will need the ANC in power to achieve their goals, and as such would probably tell the ANC to allow the Dalai Lama, as in reality, they know his visit will change nothing wrt Tibet, other than regain the vote of the mindless sheeple. They just didn't expect this backlash - or their arrogance knows no bounds. His next visit will mean NOTHING. Just like woodwork's lies about not hating white people. Didn't he call us all criminals just the other day. The 'masses' are idiots and will continue voting ANC. Like the saying goes, never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers. Slowly some are opening their eyes and vowe never to vote ANC again, but SA will probably be in the 5h1thole by then. Well done to Tutu though for speaking his mind.

  • 106SA - 2011-10-05 10:58

    The ANC are too busy stealing money and planning disasters like nationalisation to care about public relations!!!!!!!

  • Big mack - 2011-10-05 10:58

    Cry the beloved country!! Sinking faster than a lead balloon.

  • siviweviddosngcobondwana - 2011-10-05 10:59

    It is undersably incorrect for the goverment of a country with the most progessive constitution to bow to the pressure from the country with known disregard for human rights such as China.Notwithstanding the above statement,the Dalai Lama fans need to understand that the Dalai Lama is leading the Tibetan goverment in exile a stance which makes him to be regarded as a splittist by China.Nelson Mandela in 1998 did cut ties with Taiwan in favour of China because of understanding the importance of China as SA's trading partner.Consistency needs to be mantained in relation to international relations, more especially when it comes to major trading partner like China.Why the country must strain its relations with China because of one separatist in the mould of Dalai Lama. Bishop Desmond Tutu must stop being a hypocrite.It is seems as if he is regretful of his decision to leave public life.Perhaps he is scared of being obsolete.Tutu must must concetrate on religious affairs and leave this opportunistic and hypocritical tendencies of his.

      falcon2020 - 2011-10-05 11:24

      fair points all round.

      frans.visserdsb - 2011-10-05 12:09

      The only problem is - Tibet was an independent country until the 1950's, when China invaded and oppressed them in a butal campaign where thousands lost their lives. And the argument about straining ur relationship with our biggest trading partner is rubbish - The Dalai Lama visits the USA, Australia, etc. - no straining of relationships there. Our government have shown their hand - they are prepared to antagonise the West (the USA and European Union, whose combined trade far outweighs our trade with China) in order to support Ghaddaffi in the UN security council, but backs down over the visa of an old man? Then they have the temerity to underestimate our intelligence by lying to us about not approving the visa? It is a relatively minor issue... but it shows the moral integrity of our current government to be nonexistent....

  • allibrit - 2011-10-05 11:02

    Unfortunately most of the voters in this country have no idea of who the Dalai Lama is, and don't read the news......

  • tailormade - 2011-10-05 11:03

    Eish, it is not my fault.....we were going to grant the visa by December....I already asked Tutu to move his birthday party....eish, these people with their Asian tendencies are sooooo impatient...they should just chill.

  • pat2luke - 2011-10-05 11:04

    If you are a convicted criminal you get in! Mike Tyson, Paris Hilton, Snoop Dog for example

  • victorp - 2011-10-05 11:06

    Desmond Tutu Sorry The Right Reverend Tutu with his pulpit politics caused our family to leave the ANGLICAN Church. Any how what has Christianity got in-common with Buddhism? Or are his standards slipping. What does the bible say?

  • Brainbow - 2011-10-05 11:07

    This event is evidence that the country has been hijacked by thieves. Bring on the next elections so that we can fix the problem. Let us also now pray.

  • chandredewet - 2011-10-05 11:07

    It is sad news, but I am glad it happened.for things to be fixed, things need to come to the surface, this issue has brought alot to the surface, and now our government will have to be accountable, play open cards! In fact people who maybe have been ignorant about even the role of China in SA, through this whole event, are asking questions! Thank God for truth coming to the surface. I trust we as a country will keep challenging, asking questions and justice, freedom will come!

  • Tank24 - 2011-10-05 11:07

    I wonder what the masses have to say about this, not the fact that the visa wasn't issued but the fact that their elected government has sold their freedom to China. All they have done is swap the white master for the yellow master. It also goes to show how fickle Tutu is. The ANC is fantastic when they do what he wants them to do, but the moment they do something he does not agree with he "plots" for their downfall. I wonder if the rest of the masses are as as fickle as he is.

  • Waldez - 2011-10-05 11:08

    Yes tell them Tutu they the ANC must watch out , must watch out cause they won't be in power in 2018 and thats the truth. Can't wait

  • CathrynReece - 2011-10-05 11:09

    Haven't seen it on too many international news sites though...

      Damian - 2011-10-05 11:39

      Every major news organization in the world ran the story. http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/04/world/africa/south-africa-dalai-lama/index.html?hpt=wo_bn7 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15164383 http://www.france24.com/en/20111004-dalai-lama-cancels-south-africa-trip-over-visa http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/259705/tutu-slams-s-africa-over-dalai-lama-visa-row http://www.scotsman.com/world/Zuma39s-ANC-39worse-than-apartheid39.6847829.jp http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCATRE7936FP20111004 You were saying?

  • black knight - 2011-10-05 11:19

    ok, whats done is done, and this refusal was done a year or so ago!!! I wonder if Lama will only get a visa when Tutu passes on to another world!!!!Did anyone honestly think the policies of this 'Made in China' ANC govt would suddenly change? Lama and Tutu should know better... unless they did know,and wanted to spark this political debacle...well its working...

  • UKUTHULA EMHLABENI. - 2011-10-05 11:26

    Lol....when the Americans force countries by any means neccesary from acting on Israel its called diplomacy..however when China "persuades" S.A not to allow the Dalai Lama in...its a disaster....lol...ask OBAMA who defied the Chinese by hosting the Dalai Lama at the white house the power of China was there for all to see when OBAMA did not make the traditional public appearence on the front loan with the Lama....go to sleep Tutu(tHE same arch..who said he will be ashamed walking the streets of New York,with Zuma as the president...) R22BILLON RAND Vs Tutu birthday =THE BEST DEAL WON...LOL. PS.By the way the Dalai Lama cancelled the trip himself...not that he was refused entry...lmfao.

  • Badballie - 2011-10-05 11:26

    China has less regard for non Chinese citizens than even the worst colonists had its going to be fun watching the majority pull these ANC cadre out of their luxury homes and necklacing them when they realize how badly they have been sold out by the ANC regime. China does not provide employment opportunistic for non Chinese citizens. Their policy since the end of WW2 has been world domination from within, by whole sale export of Chinese nationals to almost every western country on the planet, they are on record as saying they will conquer the world without firing a shot, they will take it through the democratic process of the host countries own voters roll.

      sabc10 - 2011-10-05 11:46

      Its not true.If you go to any retailer or restuarant in south africa foreign nationals are working there.These retailers are owned by whites and in indian shops you only see indians.Even certain non profit and NGO's have foreigners working there.

      unrealchris - 2011-10-05 12:27

      @sabc10. So your clothes that you ar wearing right now is not made in China, or maybe you also had R400 000 to spend from the sabc for your overseas trip? The news my friend is that your clothes are from China and so is most of the clothes in this country. Where once, we had a clothing industry in this country, guess who is now making the money out of clothing and no, its not the whites of this country or any other whites, but your little yellow friends from China. Thats just one industry and there is plenty more to mention. China is a mojor force in the world and SA is just to Sh_T scared to stand up to them

      sabc10 - 2011-10-05 13:20

      @unrealchris...if you open you eyes you will see that the high unemployment is the result of apartheid.That presently the unemployment has worsened as result of industries that are laying off.Many of these in south africa have no relationship to china (just to please your sick mind) they are services such as Banking,iNSURANCE,certain retailers,building industry,mining,motor industry...etc... Why even south african housewives are firing domestics. Its the result of profit,standards of living,living beyond your means which white people (in general) just like the americans have far greater than any other nation.In america wall street and corporate banks have shown who has profitted the most....the 1% americans. Many of these industires in south africa have more white people than ever working.Also whites in south africa have got richer and richer and continue to benefit.If you look at the real estate you will see that all the land and houses (R20million) are owned by whites.

      sabc10 - 2011-10-05 13:34

      @badballie you're still living in your unethical and sordid past of apartheid..chinese people do employ non chinese citizens...the proof is all around.China was a victim of WW2. You're a victim of apartheid and you need serious mental help.

  • Gil - 2011-10-05 11:28

    Iam not south african but iam a african, and iam sorry that is the prove that not every one is ready to rule...ANC in mandela time that will not happen you shame us all with those kind of decision. And them you talk about freedom,u still in jail in your minds you should treat that first. Gil

  • letsee - 2011-10-05 11:31

    How can the ANC strategists do such stupidity?

  • Andrew - 2011-10-05 11:39

    I think the arch bishop's reaction is pre-mature, he should have waited for the Government to give explanation on the matter before he can lashes out. As for the Government,its a total disrespect to the public for not coming out and explaining this fiasco that they have caused.Dear Tutu,let's not involve our almighty God into this politics. Just like we criticised Zuma when he used Jesus in his speeches. PAK(BLOEMFONTEIN)

      sabc10 - 2011-10-05 13:49

      South Africans have a culture of over reacting..its the result of apartheid brainwashing the people with statements such as Swart gevaar (black danger),Rooi gevaar (Red danger),Jod gevaar (Jewish danger),Geel gevaar (yellow danger)... Its a culture of paranoia from the south african whites (in general) The paranoia reflects the aprtheid education crap that was fed and it shows also in certain black people that have been educated in this manner. As result it was estimated that a third of South Africans need serious mental help.

  • Ekke - 2011-10-05 11:41

    Not Black - October 5, 2011 at 10:19 Is this a thing against the Nobel association? Whatever, I think the Arch's outburst is completely understandable and, taking into account the support he has, even among ANC members, we might just be at a turning point in our SA history. Especially now, with Malema saying he does not hate white people, as long as they are willing to share; and, with him (and others) rallying to unseat Jacob Zuma next year, we are indeed living in interesting times (that ol' Chinese curse on us).

      Not Black - 2011-10-05 16:41

      I READ with Interest my Mate, Sadly speaking, there reality is 66% Ingnorant Electorate vs 34% of Disillusioned Electorate. Too many passengers on the BBBEE & Codesa 2 Gravy Train. I Rest My Case.

  • cbennett - 2011-10-05 11:41

    Let us just take the emotion out of this for a second. We have just signed a R20B trade agreement with China and in these bad economic times we need this sort of boost to the economy. The bigger picture is that we need to ensure the survival of our economy.The govt. took the correct decision regarding this issue. They neither denied nor confirmed whether his Visa was denied or not.Having Des Tutu upset because his guest list couldn't be filled is as small sacrifice to ensure the future of our economy. We cry out for economic growth and when the governent makes a decision to ensure our survival, we still complain. We cannot have our bread buttered both sides. All modern democracies do this to ensure it's citizens survive.

  • GuyverXT9 - 2011-10-05 11:44

    ANC is bad publicity for South Africa.

  • xmahlaba - 2011-10-05 11:46

    It is not the first time Dalai Lama has been refused access to the country and south africa is not the first country to refuse him access to it's country! So what's a big deal now? Because is Tutu's Birthday is comming up now we have to dance to his gitter? He never liked Zuma in the first place and has publicly declared that, obviously Zuma does not represent him because he did not vote for him! He must just go complain to DA that they are not fighting for him! Is this something that we can talk about really?

  • Ingie - 2011-10-05 11:48

    AG SHAME!!! who the hell cares..so over this now. wonder who is paying for all the delgates to attend his birthday...US AGAIN!!!! EISH