Dalai Lama trip cancellation 'a dark day'

2011-10-04 11:04

Cape Town - The Dalai Lama's cancellation on Tuesday of his trip to South Africa was a "dark day", the Desmond Tutu Peace Centre said.

"He said he feels it is clearly inconvenient for the government," the centre's spokesperson Nomfundo Wazala said.

"I do not even have the words to say how sad I feel. This is the darkest day. Our officials felt it was not even important to respond to his application."

The Dalai Lama applied for a visa to South Africa in August to attend the birthday celebrations of Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu, a friend and fellow Nobel Peace Prize winner, on Friday.

But on Monday the South African government had yet to announce a decision, prompting speculation it would refuse him entry for fear of offending China.

AFP reported on Tuesday that he had cancelled his trip.

It quoted the Dalai Lama's office in India as saying: "His Holiness was to depart for South Africa on October 6, 2011 but visas have not been granted yet."

  • Born To Fish - 2011-10-04 11:08

    During Apartheid they had a white "Baas" and now a chinese "Baas"!

      letsdance - 2011-10-04 11:16

      Brilliant comment so true LOL

      Jackool - 2011-10-04 11:18

      Absolutely shameful for a government who once cried freedom. Shameful and embarrassing. South Africa has once again definitively shown who their new masters are. First they were slaves to the western world, now they are slaves to the Chinese. But who cares hey! As long as the fat cats in government and business get fatter and richer the opinion of the man on the street really does not matter. The silliness of it all is that if SA supported a private visit from the Dalai Lama, China would only sulk for a few weeks and then get on with business as they have too much to loose in Africa to react in any serious matter. Now, the entire international community have lost another chunk of respect for the so called freedom fighters of yesteryear. Two faced money mongering bigots.

      mba - 2011-10-04 11:21

      During Apartheid we had an info bill - today we face the same. During Apartheid people were discriminated against based on colour - today we have the same thing. During Apartheid we banned certain people from visiting the country based on politics - today we have the same situation. I agree with you Born to Fish, nothing has changed except our masters.

      George - 2011-10-04 11:23

      Delai Lama has never been a democrat. When he ruled Tibet it was a buddhist theocracy. He ruled Tibet the same way Iran and Saudi Arabia run their countries, along strict undemocratic oppressive religous tyranny. Are people aware that until the chinese clamped on him, the Delai Lama practiced pure class based discriminatory caste system. Tibet also openly practiced slavery until the chinese abolished it. People have this false historical view that Tibet or the Delai Lama are democrats. Delai Lama openly supported the invasion of Irag by George Bush. He is a chameleon opportunist. Check these facts on the web. Social stratifcation and discrimation was abolished in Tibet when the Communists moved in. Delai Lama is not an advocate of any democracy. He must not come here until he fully embraces democratic principles. Where was the Delai Lama when a majority of SA citizens were openly oppressed, he dutifully and opportunistically kept quiet. The Dalai Lama never gets voted into power, instead he rules based on the religious principle of re-incarnation, how strange and foreign to our democracy.

      Jasoneye - 2011-10-04 11:23

      Sad thing is none of this even surprises me anymore! Cry the beloved country!!!!!

      Matt :-) - 2011-10-04 11:25

      The Chinese word for "boss" is "lao ban". Just so the locals can start practising when they next strike...

      Richie - 2011-10-04 11:25

      Yet they always claim moral high ground in support of Libya’s despot? We have just lost all credibility ... we dare not open our mouths about any situation further. Quite diplomacy, playing the victim will not getting us anywhere ...? Pathetic leadership... ONCE AGAIN!

      CHIPPER_CHAP - 2011-10-04 11:27

      I agree with Tutu but disagree on one point. The darkest day for this country is when the ANC become the rulers. You cannot get any darker than that :(

      immelmap - 2011-10-04 11:33

      Tutu only seeks attention.

      Richie - 2011-10-04 11:37

      @George so you have to be a democrat to be good? He's religion (which is really more a philosophy) might be strange to you, but should have no bearing on his visa application. There is a lot more to the Dali than your little research project shows. He received the Nobel peace prize ... those guys are slightly smarter than you and I assume they have also done their research. I'm not saying that they are more correct than you in summing up his moral fibre. But, to list your ill informed "research" to justify once again pathetic showing by our morally corrupt government is idiotic. I have a job and don’t have the energy to respond to your pathetic analysis... but go get some more information, to get a balanced perspective. As you are way off.

      willieman - 2011-10-04 11:40

      Guys the textile indistries were shut down by this economic thugs from China.Many of our people lost their jobs from WC to Natal to Bloemfontein to Hammaskraal etc and unfortunately the anc is happy about it

      Honey_Spider - 2011-10-04 11:43

      Absolutely true, these twats need a boss, they cant make decisions for themselves, they must have, yes master, no master!!! Pitty we cant launch Zuma and his chumps out the country.

      Johannes Viljoen - 2011-10-04 11:44

      Thanx for that one George, I am interested in one thing, to all who say let the "holy guy" come here, I was just wondering, would you jeopardize your relationship with your biggest trade partner, over one guy? Forget that the government is ANC, rather ask yourself this unbiased question: Would I do something that could potentially prejudice economic stability for the sake of this one guy?? If were to be in that position, I wonder if I would give him a visa, really I doubt it

      daaivark - 2011-10-04 11:44

      George, your comment is actually irrelevant. Tibet is a so-called "theocracy" - or was - with that I agree, but I don't think it was ever repressive, and the issue is not one of democracy vs autocracy, but of a man of peace wishing to visit a nation supposedly at peace, but being blocked because of our government's affiliation with a repressive regime. Perhaps, with your extensive research you could have learned how to spell Dalai?

      tailormade - 2011-10-04 11:47

      George, Your opinion doesn't matter; it's the opinion/policy of government that matters & on that point: It's government's blatant double standards that are so incredibly frustrating. We've welcomed many a dubious characters into this country, yet have no time for the Dalai Lama??? If this country is okay with people like Mogabe entering our borders, then surely it must be okay for the Dalai Lama to do so. Your rationalisation of this double standard lacks proper logic. What you are indeed saying is this: Of all the dignitaries ever granted a visa to this country, the Dalai Lama is the least worthy and therefore doesn't deserve one.

      Pixie1984 - 2011-10-04 11:49

      As Khaya says: Nkosi sikelei' China. Maluphakanyisw' uphondo lwaya..."

      mylord - 2011-10-04 11:53

      agreee with yu born to fish to for the first and the last time very sorry Tutu just invite me I am available.

      Blondie - 2011-10-04 11:57

      A dark day indeed......

      Ripley - 2011-10-04 11:57

      @George - Don't let us kid ourselves that we currently live in one of the world's great democracies. Let us also remember that the person who you seem intent on denigrating happens to have been awarded the Nobel peace prize in addition to over 80 international awards for compassion, peace, non-violence, inter-religious understanding, etc., etc. He is now refused entry by a country that has the embarrassing reputation of having sided with almost every pariah state in the modern world including Venezuela, Cuba, Zimbabwe, Libya (under Gaddafi) .... the list goes on. To admit to being South African these days almost causes one to cringe.

      Chronoman - 2011-10-04 12:04

      I don't care about the credentials of the Dalai. At least he is not a danger to South African society. This whole episode points to the Chinese who wish to restrict the movement of a particular harmless person, AND then bears so much pressure on an independent government on the other side of the globe that it succumbs to that pressure. Of course it also points to the state of mind of the government that succumbs.

      steve - 2011-10-04 12:10

      Prof!! I reckon the proof will be in the pudding, I can't agree with that on the basis Holland supported sanctions against apartheid and their human rights record is excellent, don't forget what happened on the Copper belt recently Chinese masters shooting and wounding 15 strikers,seems you are not up to date?

      Toilet Brush - 2011-10-04 12:14

      Will the US grant Mulla Omar of the Taliban a tourist visa if he were to apply for one?

      Johannes Viljoen - 2011-10-04 12:14

      @ Chronoman, very good valid point u making there, but could you answer my question herein supra. I would like to know where you draw the line between what's morally right and economically right? What would you have done should you have been government, not taking sides but this to me bears an interesting debate that goes deeper thn the current scenario. Think about it, how does the morality of diplomacy (of this kind) weigh up against the stability of SA's economy

      steve - 2011-10-04 12:19

      I see Prof realised he was'nt a Prof after all and has made a disappearing act!!

      Currie_Mafia - 2011-10-04 12:20

      Too true...

      M - 2011-10-04 12:28

      The more things change, the more they stay the same.

      Prof - 2011-10-04 12:33

      steve --- your NEWS24 removed my comments and i rather stop commenting as they felt offended when I said Chinese baases are better than Dutch baases.

      RoyoF - 2011-10-04 12:38

      EHH GEAORGE YOU ARE SOO CLEVER. But democracy as decided by buddhist faith with 1 ofits main tenements being that of re-incarnation and the evolvement of the soul thus supports a class based system.Thats what the people want and thats Democracy in case you dont understand that Komraid . China never has or will give the people of Tibet a proper representation in the Beijing govt machine and has activly promoted a policy of population transfer into Tibet of Han Chinese so as to displace ethnic Tibetans or outnumber them.Tibetan religion and culture has been squashed,stifled and burnt by succesive progroms and social manipulations from the 50's till now.Lets not mention the detention,imprisonment and torture of many Tibetans and the suppresion of their political activites in Tibet and abroad . Lets not mention the dissapearance ,brutality and murder of 1000's.Lets not mention that as George maybe your a chinese agent used to being backed by forces or tyranny . Or maybe you work in the dept of inter-irrational relations which as of late is displaying the lowest IQ ability of a once proud and upstanding organ of this country that was widely respected . Nelson Mandela would never have allowed this shameful thing to have happend.

      Ogre - 2011-10-04 12:38

      The ANC blue light brigades can now replace the blue lights with red lights and signs on the sides saying "mobile whorehouse, Chinese clients only!". Our ANC government has once again prostituted your hard fought "values" for money which the man on the street will never see and pay for for the rest of their lives. The Chinese generals must be congratulating themselves for getting another government to prostitute themselves and their people. Once the hooks are in they are difficult to get out. The ANC should copyright their screw ups as they supply comedy material to all the stand up comedians out there.

      Almaki - 2011-10-04 12:40

      Shame Prof: When will you realise that no baas is good for you?

      tootingdel - 2011-10-04 12:56

      It's so sad - so simply put but so very true unfortunately. Why is is when so-called freedom fighters get into power they seem to forget the needs of other freedom fighters elsewhere in the world. They should be championing those causes - not bending over backwards in supporting a corrupt and repressive regime like China.

      sabc10 - 2011-10-04 12:57

      @willie.South africans lost their jobs because our big corporates run by whitemen have been laying off staff from banking,to resturants to housewives.The motivation is profit and big fat bonuses that run into millions for the directors that think they living in a province of europe and that they entitled to have holiday homes,three cars,a boat,a game farm,3month holidays,three dogs,3 maids,..etc. You can now walk into any of these corporate or retail business and you find locals are been replaced by zimbambweans,malawians,swazi,etc... Even housewives are employing malawians. This blame game on china is pure jealousy....

      Denise - 2011-10-04 13:11

      ....How do you say, “We’ve sold our soul to the devil” in Chinese?

      sabc10 - 2011-10-04 13:48

      gathering by the comments,usually from certain whites,its because apartheid taught whites to stereotype and demonise chinese... the ANC should use the Havard psychometric evaluation tests to screen these white racists out of the system and make them reapply for their citizenship.

      AJ2 - 2011-10-04 13:59

      How much economic benefit do you really think is at stake here? The reality is none at all. China wont walk away from the mines and resources because of this visit? You think all the plastic rubbish SA imports is creating jobs in SA? China must be laughing their asses off, we probably the first country that actually fell for their 'ultimatum'.

      Looking@SA - 2011-10-04 14:05

      @Jackooi; Correction on your history. SA never had "western masters" English yes, but that ended a long time ago in fact it was the west that put the pressure on the Nats government with sanctions. And the west was resisted for a long time. Don't know where one South African gets his ideas of "western tendencies," but I think that China has a much bigger agenda in SA than does any western nation. Unless of course you mean a love for true democracy and market driven economies. But what you say about the shame of not allowing the Dali Lama in SA it is truly shameful. Here is one who spoke out in favor of the ANC and supported their struggle against apartheid. For the oppressed to not remember what it was to be oppressed is one of the saddest things in the world. Shame on the South African government for this one. The world that supported you in your struggle is now ashamed.

      G-spotWizard - 2011-10-04 14:05

      Soon a government representative will tell us that the silence of the government regarding this application was taken out of context. What a shame for SA. Now, shamelessly SA will go on the international stage the show support for palestinians as if SA knows better about human rights, fairness and justice. It is now clear to me why chinese shops and malls don't pay VAT. South african is in bed with china. Dalai Lama please do not disturb.

      Chronoman - 2011-10-04 15:27

      @Johannes Viljoen, the course of events present the answer to your question, I think. I am sure government holds the Bishop's affairs dear (despite his criticisms of government of late), considering at least his huge role in the struggle, but despite that it bowed to China. China has a huge cheek to dictate to a sovereign state whom it should allow entry. It is not as if the Dalai will come here to do harm to Chinese interests. I find this interesting because China basically owns the USA but it has no influence in the US.

      Ayoba - 2011-10-04 17:14

      @Born to Eish, You think its an easy decision for OUR government hey?

      Warslat - 2011-10-06 07:12

      @ daaivark Man you're ignorant...George is absolutely right. The Lamas were a nasty bunch who tortured and maimed people. You don't think it was ever repressive because you seldomly actually think at all. Do some real research, Brad Pitt's "4 Years in Tibet" doesn't count.

  • sushi - 2011-10-04 11:09

    This is embarassing.from august sis!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Eternity - 2011-10-04 12:01

      How disgusting. I so ashamed of our country and everyone that still votes for this kind of goverment. It saddens me to be associated with this kind of disrespect and cowardice

      Hangmann - 2011-10-04 16:34

      Do note he didn't qualify "darkest day". During the apartheid era, there may have been dark & darker days but not the darkest. ANC, you're an embarrassment to SA and the world, except China.

  • jen - 2011-10-04 11:09

    Our government is full of toothless clowns.

      nic - 2011-10-04 11:12

      Monkeys banging cymbals to circus music. Picture it...

      Matt :-) - 2011-10-04 11:24

      Toothless - oh, are they from the Cape?

      Jackool - 2011-10-04 11:41

      @Matt. What we have in the Cape is not called toothless, it's a called passion gap and is very erotic indeed.

      Matt :-) - 2011-10-04 11:46

      @ Jackool - LOL... on the bright side, one could eat slapchips without opening their mouth...

      allie - 2011-10-04 12:02

      MR viljoen,en dis ok as Mugabi kom kuier?

      Jackool - 2011-10-04 12:17

      @Matt...I wasn't really thinking slap chips, but ok, point noted.

  • Flarkit - 2011-10-04 11:10

    It's very very sad that the govt is willing to waste millions of tax money on Robert Mugabe and Charles Taylor, but won't honour the dedication and efforts of Bishop Tutu.

      karlkat - 2011-10-04 11:43

      Just shows the mentallity and agenda of the people in charge of this country and the arrogance...but they want to rule

      Snys - 2011-10-04 11:51

      Is Charles Taylor and Tailormade the same person?

      Kenno - 2011-10-04 13:12

      and a few weeks ago, everyone wanted to lynch Tutu for saying that the whites should be taxed for their past!! What hypocrites South Africans are!! Also....Who REALLY cares if this buddist man comes here?

  • Matt :-) - 2011-10-04 11:10

    We could give the ANC (ptoo! ptoo!) the benefit of the doubt. Maybe Dalai Lama just realised he was out of air miles... "Our officials felt it was not even important to respond to his application." That just says it all really. Too busy stealing our money and breaking the law to care about a little thing like a world-renown voice of peace coming to SA.

      Jackool - 2011-10-04 12:15

      I think the process stalled when they couldn't find the name "Dalai Lama" registered anywhere.

      Matt :-) - 2011-10-04 12:43

      Maybe they expected him to jump the border at Limpopo River like everyone else

  • alootacontin - 2011-10-04 11:12

    Did anyone really think they would grant the man a visa......we may as well rename the continent as Chinafrica; for it won't take long for the chinese to control the whole continent and if you are lucky enough to be invited onto the gravy train, then your future is assured,...unless the masses wake up and boot them out.

      Taurus 11 - 2011-10-04 12:18

      What do you the anc stands for ALL NOW CHINESE

  • tailormade - 2011-10-04 11:12

    (shake of the head).....and now the government will say it's not their fault.

      Born To Fish - 2011-10-04 11:13

      Taken out of context maybe?

      tailormade - 2011-10-04 11:36

      You lost me now. What are you referring to?

  • Travis Vermaak - 2011-10-04 11:13

    EMBARASSMENT!!!! I love South Africa, but I honestly feel ashamed of our government. Every day I read another embarrassing headline with the acronym ANC, or a variation there of (ANCYL if you hadn't guessed).

      daaivark - 2011-10-04 11:15

      I agree. This is NOT what we had in mind when we voted in 1994.

      CVDL - 2011-10-04 11:25

      Daaivark, this IS what you voted for. You were just to thick to realise it.

      Travis Vermaak - 2011-10-04 11:30

      Correction *ANC isn't in this headline persay, but it has ANC written all over it!

      CHIPPER_CHAP - 2011-10-04 11:41

      Pekkie your name should be Bekkie as you have too much of it.

      daaivark - 2011-10-04 11:45

      Tman, I think everyone knows what I mean. You just choose to be obtuse.

      Travis Vermaak - 2011-10-04 12:01

      Daaivark, I was correcting my own statement...not entirely sure what you are referring to

      Enigma - 2011-10-04 12:12

      @Pekkie. What you have is called Verbal Diarrhoea. We Dutchmen call it "bekspuitpoep" Normally it's not tolerated in grown-up conversation from children. So please... save your childish critisism of daaivark's comments for your peers.

      Kgwadi - 2011-10-04 13:26

      @Pekkie.So you think the Dalai and Tutu must be everyday thoughts of SA youth?SA youth must shape their own future,with new thinking,irregardless of someone`s religion,belief,cult etc.Most of the time,old people judge from the past.Dalai,Tutu,Zuma,Mamphele,Mandela,etc,you have done your part(good or bad) and thank you.Can you rest?

  • Neutkraker - 2011-10-04 11:13

    And now for our new masters and oppressors - the People's Republic of China. It seems the ANC only knows how to be opressed and function when prescribed to. Could it possibly be the reason why Julius Malema is so popular?

      DarkAngel - 2011-10-04 11:25

      Yep, makes me wonder about all our rhino killings.......maybe government is feeding them with rhino horns

  • Mike - 2011-10-04 11:13

    It is a sad indication of where the government is leading us when songs calling to kill a minority are defended yet an esteemed spiritual leader is not welcome in our country. The devils must be smiling.

      Truth24 - 2011-10-04 11:17

      too true!

  • AdamE - 2011-10-04 11:14

    i appreciate that the dalai lama was not coming here on official business and would be great to have him here for the arch birthday but really ......after the previous debacle about visa for him did they really think that he was going tob e successfull this time.....reallyy???

  • Pekkie - 2011-10-04 11:15

    Its Tutus punishment for the wealth tax he recommends, Rich politicians don't want to pay wealth tax lol

  • Truth24 - 2011-10-04 11:15

    Given the current situation in our country it's the Dalai Lama that should errrmm not want to be associated with us!

  • letsdance - 2011-10-04 11:15

    The Government had to ask the Chinese bosses first.....what retards

  • Bantu - 2011-10-04 11:18

    Another colonial master on our doorstep, china.

      Gido - 2011-10-04 11:45

      Trust me.. apartheid and colonialism will look like a joke once China is done with Africa!.. You ain't seen suffering yet!

      sabc10 - 2011-10-04 13:18

      Yes a "master" that did not come here to stealing the land,that fought apartheid,that fought colonialism,that recognises slavery,that did not cause war in africa,a master that has been in africa since 1960.

      Cindy - 2011-10-04 15:18

      @ sabc10: Trade between China and Africa in 2008 was worth 107 billion dollars – a 45 percent increase from 2007. China has been under intermittent fire about its bad human rights and environmental record and its disregard for democratic practice. It was recently slated for closing a seven billion dollar deal with Guinea, a country that suffered a military coup at the end of 2008. Several audience members found an echo in Africans’ experience of China on the continent. "Ordinary citizens get very little in turn," one delegate argued. "Government officials sign deals and pocket huge sums of money. The Chinese come to Africa and take our riches away. But the Chinese markets are closed to African entrepreneurs." This warning emanated from a number of participants at the China-Africa Business Summit held Oct. 22-23, sponsored jointly by Corporate Africa, a publication of the UK-based Times Media Group, and the China-Africa Business Council, a non-governmental organisation promoting private investments in Africa. I think this sums up the dangers of being too cosy under the duvet with China..... Cinese businesses are well-known for reaping the rewards with no tangible benefit to the host country.... they're a bit like parasites actually, feed on the host until there is nothing then left, then abandon it

      sabc10 - 2011-10-04 15:42

      @cindy...china has many foreign parasites in china exploiting the workers and other chinese resources. Even during the gold rush south african mines were exploiting and enslaving chinese or malay workers.Some or their remains were just dumped and mistreated. During WWW2 japanese were invading and abusing chinese people. In the USA chinese slaves were also shipped and used to built the US transatlantic railway line. Recently american companies eg Apple have been discovering poisoning chinese workers and the region where they have their factories in china. Time magazine showed that chinese people make only 1-3% of an electronic item like a Iphone.The rest of the profit goes to first world countries and mostly US corporates. A similar situation is not unimaginable with south african corporates. If you look at their balance sheets they having extremely good profits despite the recession.

  • Ross - 2011-10-04 11:19

    A dark day indeed. Fortunately Mugabe, Gaddafi and the dictators from Myanmar are very welcome here. I was taught at the age of five not to try and understand how their heads work because it will drive one crazy.

  • Darwinian - 2011-10-04 11:19

    Wonder if cANCer will still blame apartheid/white imperialists when the new masters had taken over....

  • Whitey - 2011-10-04 11:20

    This is so sad, I had so much hope for the country but we are moving back to apartheid - this no democracy,

      HHSC - 2011-10-04 14:23

      Government by the stupid for the stupid ... the collapse of our education system under ANC rule, just ensures the masses are blissfully unaware of how poorly there beloved ANC is performing ... the struggle is over the enemy is now those that are bleeding our country dry and are lowering your civic right to basic healthcare, education, water, elec its not the whites that are doing this its your elected officials, and they doing it right under your noses... The sooner we open our eyes to this and demand change the better

  • GypseyAnn - 2011-10-04 11:20

    Our government have once more demonstrated that they are spineless leaders. How embarrassing! They did not even have the manners to speak up either way! They are also just displaying how disrespectful they are!!! COWARDS!!!!!!

  • Marcus - 2011-10-04 11:20

    who the f*** cares! The Dalai Lama and Desmond Tutu can pick a window! Desmond is just sour, now he can't party with a lama!

      GypseyAnn - 2011-10-04 12:04

      Seems you too could learn some lessons about respect dearie!

      Marcus - 2011-10-04 13:34

      Respect what, the lama or a tutu? No thanks. And the lama means what to me??? piece, love, tolerance... I can get that from a hippie O.o

  • Oxygen - 2011-10-04 11:20

    I hope the Chinese rip off certain 'government' officials in SA. They think they're BUDDIES for some inexplicable reason.

      Cheekiechops - 2011-10-04 11:37

      Agree. Wait for it tho', won't be long before the Chinese are labelled racist.

      sabc10 - 2011-10-04 14:10

      Actually records show that chinese have been ripped off The most recent example is Aurora Mines where South Africans wanted to dressup this mine and sell it to the chinese as a A+ rated mine. Most of this money will go to two main characters in south africa : Big Business corporates and Government.

  • Ben - 2011-10-04 11:21

    Feel so ashamed of being South African today... Dalai Lama 0 - 1 ANC/CHINA ... Bend over and bite on this slaves....your new master, China, is going in dry....

      SinghH - 2011-10-04 13:21

      Actually I think it is Dalai Lama 0 - 2 Chinese Republic of South Africa. They denied him a visa in 2009, due to pressure from China

  • lester.nel - 2011-10-04 11:22

    what! I thought this was china I should go speek with my travel agent!

  • Morne - 2011-10-04 11:23

    South Africa seemingly has no problem granting terrorist leaders from other countries asylum. People who have murdered their own countrymen, women and children. Yet a Noble Peace Prize winner is not welcome in this country. Says it all really doesn't it?

  • Anton - 2011-10-04 11:23

    Unfortunately, very few countries are able to stand up against China. South Africa just can't afford to do so. It would be dumb and stupid. No birthday party, not even that, of one of my heros, Desmond Tutu, is worth risking the millions, if not billions in trade, with one of the greatest economies in the world. How sad it may be, the SA government, has to do what is best for this country and its people.

      pseudo - 2011-10-04 11:28

      Trade with China at the expense of our human rights and the constitution... How is that the best for the country and its people? How about a consistent foreign policy based on democracy and human rights?

      Flarkit - 2011-10-04 11:32

      I see your logic, but why then are we quite happy to squander tax millions on putting up Mugabe and Charles Taylor, who're not even worth the dirt under the Dalai Lama's sandals?

      Anton - 2011-10-04 11:43

      Pseudo, "Human Rights" !!!! Come on, this government has up to, not even two weeks ago , supported the biggest terrorist Africa has ever known ( gaddafi ) In that case: let it than rather look after our economy!!!!!

      Anton - 2011-10-04 13:40

      I am sorry, if I upset some, but my point is, that SA has not got one iota of Human Rights in their Africa policy, So than WHY , for a birthday party, upset one of the largest economies in the world?? It just makes no sense!!! We need jobs in SA, otherwise there are going to be less and less birthday parties!!!!! For our Human Rights, let's rather stick closer to home!!!!

  • bumblebee - 2011-10-04 11:23

    This is just shocking .... typical SA mentality, feed the greed, .. but dare not let a Nobel Peace Prize winner in to celebrate a birthay with our Tutu, hey our Governments priorities and the message they send to the rest of the world is just astounding! What an imbarrasment our country is.

  • hendrik.voges - 2011-10-04 11:24

    What a damn poor show for South Africa. Again!

      Kgwadi - 2011-10-04 13:34

      There is no show,hendrik.Economic future is the show.Dalai will be dying soon.Should we sacrifice our future generation just for Lama?and when he leave,he must take the Zumas,mugabes,zilles etc (u`have done ur part).New begining,new thinking,no more ghosts from the past.Our now sixteen yrs must not be exposed to this guys done-beliefs,but solutions to the future.Kenya elected someone 89yrs,can he plan for the coming 15yrs?

  • Nawe - 2011-10-04 11:24

    Dalai Lama does not pay our bills but Chinise government.

  • - 2011-10-04 11:25

    A dark day indeed......yet the DESPOTS of the world are welcomed and feted....anc CONTINUES to show its true colours!!

  • Tolerant - 2011-10-04 11:25

    I bet you he will get the Visa approved next week, to little and too late.

  • Realist - 2011-10-04 11:25

    The ANC regime must have bowed down the their Chinese Bosses? It surely does not take more than a month to decide to grant a visa. It takes a matter of minutes or does the ANC Regime still operate in AFRICAN TIME? ANC Regime is as bad as the Nats - there goes our so-called THE CONSTITUTION and it BILL OF RIGHTS - gone to the dogs and not worth the paper is was written on. Outcome of Dalai Lama request to visit RSA RSA ANC Gov = 0 , CHINA = 2

  • michelle.blackie - 2011-10-04 11:26

    Very very sad. A man of peace should be welcome anywhere!!!!!

  • Ann - 2011-10-04 11:29

    What an embarrassment for South Africa!

  • Thatguyoverthere - 2011-10-04 11:29

    Chinese puppets, and the debt will never be cancelled because the Chinese Government is the Communist Party and Communists always hang together. The world rallied behind the ANC to bring democracy to SA but the ANC will never reciprocate. Look at the hatred the ANC feels for the common man in Zimbabwe and Tibet. Bah!

  • Not Black - 2011-10-04 11:30

    Dear ARCH, What have YOU learnt from this debacle? Are YOU going to REALLY DO SOMETHING? Well, my friend, at least take the OPPORTUNITY to show your CONTEMT with DIGNITY and COMPASSION. Ever heard of MAHATMA GANDHI? Im sure you did, and he is the ONLY HUMAN BEING who would address this differently, had he been alive today. GANDHI would have: 1. NOT even considered spending MONEY over the 3 odd days celebrating an 80th Birthday, 2. He would have embarked on a Hunger Strike rather to OPEN the EYES of the purpertrators of INJUSTICE - In this case the Gutless ANC. 3. Gandhi would have definitely DISCOURAGED anyone even comtemplating to have a party as he was always aware of his POOR & DIRE People. 4. Gandhi would have insisted that the FUNDS, whether his own or from ANY donors, to be channelled to FEED THE POOR or UPLIFT THEM. 5. What is the NEED to get all your friends and connections to a party? They are all Nobel and Peace Lauritiettes and they ALL should be looking at contributing such lavishes to assist poorer and needier people. 6. Would YOU embark on doing this? 7.Would YOU go on a Hunger Strike as Gandhi regularly did to EXPOSE the TRUTH and INJUSTICES? 8.Ever heard of ANA HAZAARE recently in the Indian News? He has guts to FAST, go on HUNGER STRIKES and expose the CORRUPTION in INDIA. 9. You may enjoy your Birthday, but squandering Money to Celebrate? Whilst there are so many needy starving and desperate people in SA? 10. But then again. I REST MY CASE

      sipho - 2011-10-04 11:39

      Hey, Brother, Ghandi actually insulted us Africans: “The measure of a society can be how well its people treat its animals.” So we mustn't be too quick to support him either. Like the Llama, he stands for whatever we and the Chinese don't.

      InternetMan - 2011-10-04 11:58

      Ghandi was nothing but an over-rated hippie.

      Pen Of Zorro - 2011-10-04 20:59

      Eh...Sipho are you nuts? Are you actualy proud of treating animals with crulety? And then claim that to be cruel is to be African???

  • balderdash - 2011-10-04 11:31

    Government by procrastination...

  • Jannie Swem - 2011-10-04 11:31

    all hail the wing wong chopawop... China is raping africa.

  • FATHERMOX - 2011-10-04 11:32

    Mr. Tutu he will soon be fine, as his best and beloved friend 'MADIBA MANDELA' is not even on his side on Dalai Lama visit.

      lucas - 2011-10-04 12:40

      Madiba has Alzheimer's and does not know about his party's shenanigans at all. In fact he does not care about anything anymore. He always appears vacuous at his parades organized by those who misuses him still.

  • CliveVar - 2011-10-04 11:32

    The South African Government has now shown unequivocally, that they are, despite their protestations that they are a sovereign nation beholden to no one, most certainly controlled by China. Their actions have proved that they are nothing but cowards, ready to bow to the demands and vagaries of others. I have no doubt that now that the Dalai Lama has called off his visit, they will now rush to state that they have agreed to his visa. They should be thoroughly ashamed of their despicable and cowardly actions.

  • bill - 2011-10-04 11:35

    total lack of manners and curtesy- go back to the bush zuma.

  • malose - 2011-10-04 11:39

    Zuma's administration is riding on the back of a Chinese tiger...Will they dare to alight?

  • Jedi Master - 2011-10-04 11:40

    You get what you vote for......

      Not Black - 2011-10-04 12:00

      Now THAT is definitely THE MOST INTELLIGENT COMMENT today. Well Written Mate

  • GT - 2011-10-04 11:46

    And all these years I thought that Zulu's had a backbone.

  • Spartan - 2011-10-04 11:46

    Well it's like movies. The original Karate Kid = White & Japanese = Success The remake Karate Kid = Black & Chinese = Failure Need I say more.

      InternetMan - 2011-10-04 11:59


      emile.eley - 2011-10-04 22:14

      Well I guess it's true what they say about small things and tiny minds.

  • TheWiseOne - 2011-10-04 11:47

    So when you best friend hates a guy for steeling his girlfriend, it is cool if you invite him over for the game. Loyalties towards your friend mean nothing, because he is not your boss. We live in the global village and must act like that. Only the US is arrogant enough to do what ever they want. Dont get be wrong, I dont like China, but like it or not, we need them.

  • Pixie1984 - 2011-10-04 11:47

    As Khaya says: Nkosi sikelei' China. Maluphakanyisw' uphondo lwaya..." Shame on you SA government..doing what you want to and not representing South Africans wishes. Spineless sods.

  • THEMBELANI63 - 2011-10-04 11:48

    why did this Tutu invite the guys cos he knew from d onset dat dey wont allow him in.This Tutu just seek attention and he wont get it, even his birthday wont be a big thing...its just a normal birthday like!!

      lucas - 2011-10-04 12:44

      Thembelani you are asking a man of principles to get down to the level of zero conscience an zero intellect. I admire him for sticking to his guns (pun intended), and inviting a peace-loving man in the face of resistance from the greedy and lame-brained.

  • Christo - 2011-10-04 11:49

    Our next national dish is Fa King Duck.

      sabc10 - 2011-10-04 14:44

      I thought it was boerewors :))

  • zelda britz - 2011-10-04 11:49

    IM PROUD OF MY COUNTRY, but ashamed of its leaders

  • Seven9 - 2011-10-04 11:50

    Dirty government!