Declare farm attacks a priority crime: FF+

2010-12-06 15:46

Bloemfontein - The case against six men charged with the murder of the Potgieter family on their Free State farm was postponed on Monday.

The Lindley Magistrate's Court postponed the case to December 13 for further investigations.

The men face three murder charges each, robbery with aggravating circumstances and being in possession of an illegal firearm and ammunition. They would remain in custody.

Attie Potgieter, 40, his wife Wilna, 36, and their 3-year-old daughter Willemien were found murdered on their farm on Thursday last week. It seemed Potgieter had been stabbed, while his wife and daughter were shot.

Earlier Lindley farmers and Freedom Front Plus members, including party leader Pieter Mulder, protested outside the court. They displayed placards asking for the return of the death penalty.

"We are here to express our anger and frustration," said Mulder.

"For what other reason would you kill a two-and-half-year old baby... it is difficult to explain this other than an act of racism."

Mulder said a further frustration was that the ANC had not said one word about the crime. He said the country's leaders should publicly condemn such killings, no matter who the victims were.

The ANC-led government should wake up and declare farm attacks as a priority crime, just as cash-in-transit heists and murders recently, Mulder said.

However, a handful of ANC Women's League members were also at the court to protest, and show support for the victim's families. Maki Mokoena, from the Thabo Mofutsanyana branch, said they condemned the killings.

  • Vedder - 2010-12-06 15:55

    Steve Hofmeyr only said what many White South Africans are thinking!

      solovapor - 2010-12-06 16:24

      One of the killers was 17 years old. How the hell could he have experienced or lived through apartheid ???

      MetalCut - 2010-12-06 16:26

      @ntokozoe: Uh there are no white apartheid leaders left to apologise and why should any of today's white leaders apoplogise, are you retarded or something huh? By the there werent that much black killing during apartheid so we wont apologise for anything!

      Nathan - 2010-12-06 16:31

      @ntokozoe You said: "you instigated anger within us and now the walls are starting to crack. Until white leaders come out and publicly apologize to black people for brutal killings during apartheid, these killings will always happen." Are you serious? Basically what you are saying is: "kill all the innocent whites until the guilty whites say sorry?" Think about it.

      K-9-Commando - 2010-12-06 16:34

      @ ntokozoe, your comment does seem to have a racist undertone :(

      gillywilde - 2010-12-06 16:40

      When is everyone going to move on from the past and stop going round in circles. Were you never taught that 2 wrongs don't make it right!!!!!!!

      Don - 2010-12-06 16:43

      Ntokozoe: STOP LIVING IN THE PAST!!. Apartheid was abolished 20 years ago, stop blaming Apartheid. Violent crime, corruption, merciless killings and various other misdemenours are happening NOW1 - IN THE PRESENT ! As citizens of this country we have a right to be angry at the ANC for piss poor performance. Adriaan Vlok got down on his knees and washed the feet of some of the victims of his oppresive regime- thats dignity and maturity!No politicians have condemned these attacks. Disgraceful!- And you are suprised by some of the comments?

      riaanmas - 2010-12-06 16:47

      @ntokozoe - Even in apartheid the whites could not commit such a savage act you moron. So now you blacks that did not even live in apartheid have not healed and justify this by killing a baby. Will you still support your statement if a person kills your child in that manner?

      EG - 2010-12-06 16:54

      @ntokozoe: Are you admitting to being a violent people who kill at any provocation? Because if you do, you are confirming what the architects of Apartheid believed about your people. What more do you want done? Do you want 3 year old children to apologise? Maybe you should stop looking at others to do everything for you and start to look inside. Is it that you want earthly things to heal an inner wound? (BTW, when are you going to apologise for Dingaan and Shaka killing other black tribes? Must the Afrikaners kill all English people for putting Afrikaner women and children in concentration camps and buring down the farms? And what do you think will happen in 10 or 20 years time when the children of Afrikaner ex-pats come back to make your children apologise for killing whites?)

      cervezab - 2010-12-06 18:05

      @Vedder - what? "dit het begin met 'n gevoel"? You lost me with your afrikaans pop music remarks. @ntokozoe - the apologies were said at the truth and reconciliation committee, these people don't won't apologies and are not a result of apartheid (too young, unless they are living out their parents dreams of revenge) They are just plain sick individuals that needs to be removed from society

      franssmith100 - 2010-12-06 22:41

      @ntokozoe - ok, if you appologized for what dingaan and shaka did?

  • Picasso - 2010-12-06 15:56

    Why would the ANC make their own initiative a priority crime?

  • wduv - 2010-12-06 15:57


  • kolobe - 2010-12-06 15:59

    too much attention seeking by this afrikaner cultural group. does the da ever comment about racial acts in the country?people affected the most about crime in the country dont whine as much as this cultural group.

      Tom - 2010-12-06 16:12

      This cultural group is getting murdered more than anyone else you idiot.

      Kapenaar - 2010-12-06 16:13

      BIG BIG difference between racial acts and BRUTAL MURDERS!!!

      Zolani - 2010-12-06 16:18

      Sounds like you defending, The killers, so you think its fine if a 3 year old Baby, Gets lead outside and shot in the back of the Head. Your a Strange guy Kolobe

      SA1 - 2010-12-06 16:19


      emmamimie - 2010-12-06 16:23

      Kolobe lets put it this way, you are so used to crime it has become part of your culture that is why you dont whine. Foget about the afrikaaner group, this is and has not been good for this country and guess who is going o suffer from no investments, YOU and remember the only racial comments in this country is because of the RACIAL LAWS LAID DOWN BY YOUR GOVERNMENT. To rid us od these savages is the DEATH PENALTY.

      EG - 2010-12-06 16:28

      That's because that cultural group won't be affected by crime if it wasn't for the other cultural group. We are not doing it to ourselves amongst our cultural group. Your cultural group is doing it to us AND to yourselves.

      Rumncoke - 2010-12-06 17:26

      Ai kolobe - same ol' troll as always....

      7thFloor - 2010-12-06 17:47

      In 90% of the world its consider freedom of speech to whinge. So I don't care what colour you are, continue to whinge! make as much noise as possible. It will one day cure the deafness the SA government seems to suffer from.

      Boerseun - 2010-12-06 18:18

      Last week, a worker of mine, who was with us for 12 years, were caught 3 days in a row, stealing from us. Nogal on video. Needless to say, this means she's was fired. Now last night our shop were vandalysed and things stolen.(What's the odds for this??) The perps also shat everywhere, which the cops say is a way of desecrating the place and us. This was the 12 time since Jan 2009 that we have been broken into or vandalysed...and you want to say there is no problem. Make no mistake, even if I have to choke out the truth from someone, this time I will, but no-one threatens my family anymore, not ever. Tell that to your buddies...including those who screw up life for everyone in the Freestate.

      John Wilderness - 2010-12-07 03:10

      @Tom How can people from this cultural group be murdered more than anyone else when the claim is that since 1994, 3000 farmers were killed and the annual murder stats is 17000. I think you the idiot.

      AJ - 2010-12-07 07:46

      @John Wilderness, from a farmer perspective this is true - higher than a policeman etc in fact. It is not meant as a total of white or Afrikaners even.

      Picasso - 2010-12-07 08:03

      Kolobe moron, this afrikaner cultural group is feeding your sorry ass.

      James1 - 2010-12-07 08:17

      @John Wilderness. There are maybe 27000 farmers in this country with 50 million inhabitants. Now they say that 190 famers get murdered each year that is a % of .7% of the Farming community that gets murdered each year. Whereas if I use your figure of 17000 murders poer year divided by 50 million people then you will find that the general average is 0.03% of the popultaion that gets murdered in SA each year. Now who is the idiot?

      James1 - 2010-12-07 08:22

      Another thing. Farmers are more likely to be murdered than policemen on active service. The figures for cop deaths is 140 p/a and farmers 190 p/a. The police have 137,175 members. That means that farmers are 7 times more likely to be murdered than a policeman on active service. The cops get danger pay for their work. Do you still think that farmers are wrong about the murders getting out of hand?

      johncarlos.biza - 2010-12-07 11:00

      @John Wilderness, it's actually around 1900 farm murders, and 600 of the victims are black. People's maths here(Tom) doesn't make sense. Maybe the education system failed them badly

      johncarlos.biza - 2010-12-07 11:11

      @John Wilderness, it's actually around 1900 farm murders, and 600 of the victims are black. People's maths here(Tom) doesn't make sense. Maybe the education system failed them badly

      isede - 2010-12-07 12:47

      you are right kolobe . A few people dead and aall of a sudden a lot of noise because they are whites . Priority crime my foot , everyone is damn suffering from criminals as far as I know

      Other Justin - 2010-12-08 13:06

      @kolobe, @John Wilderness & @johncarlos.biza. The South African farmer community has the highest PRECENTAGE death rate than any other "group" of people in this country, instead of writting any old drivel that comes to mind, look it up for yourself. It is more dangerous to farm in this country than it is to be an active police officer combatting some of the most violent crime in the world! Does that sound right to you? Don't take my word for it either, LOOK IT UP, EDUCATE YOURSELF! @isede - if you have children, lets say I break into your house one night to steal your TV or the R1000 in your wallet, but after I take what I want, I take you beautiful little baby out of bed, put a pistol to the back of her head and pull the trigger? Sound like a robbery? I might be stupid, but it sounds like I had something against you or the colour of your skin? Seriously, sometimes people don't see what is right in front of them. VIVA AMAUSELESS VIVA!!!!!!

  • Juliaas - 2010-12-06 15:59

    "However, a handful of ANC Women's League members were also at the court to protest," Aisch. What are wi dealing with here? The scum of the earth?

      cervezab - 2010-12-06 18:09

      too bad the ANC woman's league don't have more say, at least they see crime as crime and don't feel the need to defend their skin colour by saying "it happens every where" and "you complain too much"

      franssmith100 - 2010-12-06 22:44

      pity they have nothing to say about malemas refusal to pay the fine for recent charges involving woman...?

      Hardtail - 2010-12-07 07:45

      Good on them.

      Picasso - 2010-12-07 08:06

      Respect to the Women's League, just as with the march to the Union Buildings in the sixties the women must do what the men don't have balls for.

      James1 - 2010-12-07 08:56

      I was very suprised that theyu were there.

  • PANNEVIS - 2010-12-06 15:59

    How many times do we still have to turn the other cheek before we start striking back and retaliate - kill one of us and we will kill ten?

      MetalCut - 2010-12-06 16:17

      That day are getting VERY close my friend. Dont put the white man in a box! More and more white people are getting sick and tired of this crap and we WILL strike if this goes on.

      Cobus - 2010-12-06 16:19

      Give this man a double Bells!!!

      Cobus - 2010-12-06 16:25

      Give this man a "DOUBLE BELLS"!!

      Zawadi - 2010-12-06 16:54

      Pity that this happened and is happening. Could u please tell me Pannevis what the threats are for?

      Johnny - 2010-12-06 17:03

      start loading bullets my friend. Time is already upon us. Get the !@#$ ready!

      scarecrow.irene - 2010-12-06 23:24

      This is corny, but two worngs dont make a right. What aboutnall the innocent people that will be harmed if this were to happen?

      Hardtail - 2010-12-07 07:47

      Pannevis, It did not happen in Nazi Germany. It did not happen in Rwanda. It did not happen in post-colonial african states. The reason? The whites cannot/will not/lack the ability to form a cohesive group to offer the resistance neccesary.

      4daluvofSA - 2010-12-07 08:45

      @Pannevis, you and you 1million friends? #FAIL

  • sganja - 2010-12-06 16:04

    I think killing farmers is not a right thing at all,instead of killing them the farm workers need to beat them hard with sjambok or whatever so that they can pay better salary.Farmers abuse the workers..ANC should declare underpayment as a priority....

      Francois B - 2010-12-06 16:17

      I think that in a few isolated cases bad working conditions may exist. However it is nonsense that the majority of farmers mistreat their workers. And even if they do, they do not have the right to go out and kill them and their family! Even if people do not feel anything for human life, they should consider the negative impact any farm murder has on the country as a whole. You are biting the hand that feeds you, and I am sure a lot of people will start rioting in the streets again, burning down supermarkets, the moment that the basic food prices increases due to a productive community being wiped out.

      Zolani - 2010-12-06 16:20

      You say Pay more, and then you complain when the Price of food Go's up, how much is a fair wage ?

      MetalCut - 2010-12-06 16:20

      @sganja: LOL maybe I must beat you with a sjambok wena! Take your dumb reason somewhere else!

      Michael - 2010-12-06 16:22

      Sganja, if those farm workers feel that they are underpaid then they can quit and take their 'skills' with them. No one is forcing them to work, and no one is forcing them to work for a specific wage. Those farm workers who are not happy with their wages can leave and open up jobs for people who are willing to work. Unfortunately, if you do not have a skill or talent to contribute to this world, you cannot expect much in return. That may seem harsh, but that's the way life is.

      EG - 2010-12-06 16:25

      ..or maybe the farmworkers should start to ask themselves where they will find employment if these white farmers don't give it to them? What is a "better salary"? If you do a basic work you get a basic salary. It will never be what you want. If it is not, why not just go and seek better paying employment, like those of us do that has employment at companies who don't pay us enough for our liking? Why must all arguments relating to money have to be solved with violence and why do workers (like gardeners, domestic workers and farm workers) have this notion that their employers owe them extras, like "taking" extra food home, pay for their transport, pay for funerals, pay for children's schooling... And lastly, ANC should declare EDUCATION a priority.

      emmamimie - 2010-12-06 16:26

      Sqnaja you should be happy that the farmers are still employing black workers.The government has done nothing to give these people jobs, so they have to take what the farmers pay them. THe farmers are also just workers trying to make a living which you people keep stealing away from them. I think its about time our farmers moved north and stopped worring about the people of this country, they are not worth it.

      Cina - 2010-12-06 16:32

      Thats fine we will pay more, but then they must start paying for there free house, free milk, meat, maize, trips to town, doctors consultation & free medcine.

      genet - 2010-12-06 16:33

      Be careful what you wish for. Most farmers pay their workers well, and help in many other ways. Do unto others as you would want done to you.

      K-9-Commando - 2010-12-06 16:40

      @ Sganja, like the 3-year old did anything wrong, Psycho

      charljr - 2010-12-06 16:41

      Sganja... Wake up !! For every farmer that is murderd 10 to 300 workers loose there jobs on those farms !!! and you are wrong not all farm workers are badly paid.

      Sailor - 2010-12-06 16:43

      Well put Sganja. I still cant understand though why they would kill the child or the parents. But when i read the racial hatred comments in this forum, i begin to get some idea of the ignorance that many commentators display and a lack of understanding of the various issues at play. Stereotyping will not solve the issues. Positive attitude will be 50% of the battle.

      Waldo - 2010-12-06 16:45

      A three year old baby gets shot by barbaric idiots and you the audacity to mention better pay! It is people like you that will prevent South Africa of EVER becoming the place it can and should be!

      Mundu - 2010-12-06 21:35

      Or.....the farmers could do more to mechanize, get rid of all their workers and dig in for the big fight. Most farms in the US are run only by the farmer and his immediate family. Contractors come in and sow the mielies or whatever (one man in a big machine) and later they return to harvest (another man in an even bigger machine) A whole farm of corn in harvested in 3-4 hours flat. Done. No Boogs.

      sganja - 2010-12-07 08:45

      I didnt in any way congratulates people who killed farmers,we need to find the centre of this issue,farmers are killed...why are they killed? underpayment is one of the reasons.guys there are people who got paid R200 per month,is very sad.I condemn the killing of farmers,but they also need to do better...

      sganja - 2010-12-07 08:48

      ' if those farm workers feel that they are underpaid then they can quit and take their 'skills' with them. No one is forcing them to work" the statement is unfortunate,so you are abusing them because they can't find work somewhere else?I now understand why Cosatu needed to ban labour brokers,they are abusing workers because workers don't have choice...the same thing farm owners are doing

      Sylar_DJ - 2010-12-07 11:03

      sganja I find your second last post very ammusing. So the workers kill the farmer because of low pay? And when the farmer is dead? then what? doyou think whoever comes and takes ownership of that farm next is going to want anything to do with those savages? No. they will be kicked to the curb and then they will not even have the R200 that they get now, even though I know for a fact that Farm workers get paid more than that on most farms.

      Other Justin - 2010-12-08 13:14

      @sganja - I don't like your comment, got an address so that I can come around and beat you with a sjambok? You'll have to make it tomorrow though, I am beating my boss with a sjambok this afternoon because I am unhappy about my pay, oh yes, I am also asking him to bring around his 3 year old daughter, so that she can get a good beating to. YOU FU$%@ING IDIOT!!!!!!!! VIVA AMAUSELESS VIVA!!!!

      sganja - 2010-12-09 07:15

      @Other Justin i'm not farm owner,so you can't beat me.

  • paulvanderschyff - 2010-12-06 16:09

    All comments aimed at wanting the ANC to condemn these purely racial murders are wasted air and nothing less. Could anyone, and I MEAN ANYONE prove to me that Nelon Mandela, Thabo Mbeki, Jacob Zuma, Gwede Manteshe (not to mention asshole malema) and all the other "leaders" of the free South Africa, condemned farm killings during speeches in their own mother tongue to thousands of ANC supporters anywhere? I am asking for proof that anyone of them directly asked their voting brothers and sista's to STOP the killings. I am yet to find such proof.

      nuclear - 2010-12-06 20:30

      I say make every murder a priority crime. What's more special about this case?

      Snoek - 2010-12-07 08:59

      @Nuclear, It's more special because it threatens the white man's willingness to farm and hence threatening food security affecting everyone in SA.

      4daluvofSA - 2010-12-07 10:45

      @Snoek, only white people have farms? You are special!

      Other Justin - 2010-12-08 13:22

      @4saluvofSA - You my friend are a chop, the VAST majority of COMMERCIAL farming in this country is done by WHITE people. This is not my opinion, it is FACT. @nuclear - This is a special case because the farming community in this country has the highest murder rate of any other community in this country and BECAUSE THEY SHOT A LITTLE 3 YEAR OLD GIRL, EXECUTION STYLE IN THE HEAD!

  • James1 - 2010-12-06 16:15

    of course the ANC said nothing. What was the first thing they did when ET was murdered? They sent someone to visit the murderers in prison. Not to go symathise with the victims, but to support the murderer. What can I say. Tehy ANC have been busy with farm murders for years before '94. Can you expect them to condone the violence angainst farmers now?

      nuclear - 2010-12-06 20:31

      So Cele attending the funeral & visiting the grieving family was what then?

      Leeutjie - 2010-12-06 21:01

      nuclear It was a nice day out of the office and being in the spotlight. Nothing more!!!

      Anne - 2010-12-07 02:01

      Expect them to condone the violence? I expect then to condemn the violence, yes.

  • matt - 2010-12-06 16:15

    there is only one race and that is the human race. lets all support each other and act accordingly people, WAKE UP!!!

      Cobus - 2010-12-06 16:28

      Matt Sorry, you made a mistake - your comment should have read: only one race and that is the "WHITE" human race

      paulvanderschyff - 2010-12-06 16:29

      Please read Swartvel's comments again, so you may wake up out of the illusion you are living in.

      christophermarsay - 2010-12-06 16:42

      amen matt

      PANNEVIS - 2010-12-06 16:43

      Me thinks its too late. Me thinks the rifle needs to be oiled and loaded.

      Johnny - 2010-12-06 17:06

      are you talking to the murderers matt ? just wondering.

      John Wilderness - 2010-12-07 04:16

      @Cobus - Cobus you an idiot. Matt is right.

      4daluvofSA - 2010-12-07 09:07

      Thank you Matt, i wish there could be more people like you!

      pointblankza - 2010-12-07 12:01

      Cobus, go wash your ox wagon. What a chop!

  • Neo - 2010-12-06 16:18

    I hope that they give this the same urgency and priority as the Dewani case. I say.... Islamic law for three years trial period!

  • Jannie - 2010-12-06 16:21

    It's a fact. The "swart gevaar" is not just a scarecrow story, it is a reality. The leader? Julius Malema of cause with his "kill the Boer" and supported by the ANC. This is part of their ongoing genocidal and racist agenda

      pointblankza - 2010-12-07 12:02

      Oh Jannie, stop going to those dodgy meetings by people with long beards.

      4daluvofSA - 2010-12-07 12:37

      @Jannie Van der whatever you should listen to pointblankza, he i right! Kakhis are no longer in fashion!

  • paulvanderschyff - 2010-12-06 16:22

    Nowhere in the history of the New South Africa, did Nelson Mandela, Thabo Mbeki, Jacob Zuma or any of the "new" leaders publicly and vigorously (IN THEIR MOTHER TONGUE)condemn farm killings at public gatherings.....not even JUST ASKING their patrons to abstain from killing the very people who feed the country. I have to yet see, hear or read of such an occasion.

      nuclear - 2010-12-06 20:33

      Try cleaning your ears then. When I hear talk about bringing down crime, I assume it's for everybody, Whites included.

      4daluvofSA - 2010-12-07 10:50

      wow Paulvanderschyff you really do watch the news neh? How do you know all this? "In their mother toungue" you also watch the SABC1 news? You must be one really informed dude!

  • senku24 - 2010-12-06 16:31

    Mosehla Most of farm killings are created by farmers themselves.They have an attitude of using people on their farms and never pay salaries.I know one farmers in Nelspriut who use Mozambiquens and by month end,he call police to deport them.Image what will happen if they get their way back.

      Jannie - 2010-12-06 16:47

      This is a typical ANC propaganda story with no substance at all. Our farmers (white) are people with integrity and responsibility. Nothing can be as bad as the horific savage and barbaric nature of these thugs that murder 3 year olds.

      paulvanderschyff - 2010-12-06 16:55

      You are looking for an excuse and it's not working for you. Farm workers on farms in SA prior to 1994 were loyal and hard-working men and women, but politics changed that. Farmers appreciate their workforce as a rule - still today and the few farmers that abuse their positions as bosses are by far the minority.

      EG - 2010-12-06 17:07

      I think it is time that farmers employ only whites on the farms. There are so many poor whites living in shacks in Danville and related areas who would gladly work for even the most basic salary.

      Brendon - 2010-12-06 17:52

      @ EG excellent idea, bring in the Israeli fashioned kibbutzim into SA, feed and protect yourselfs properly in numbers.

      Boerseun - 2010-12-06 18:19

      Yiou are a liar. What did a three year old do to deserve this. You are a bloddy idiot to write this drivel.

      scarecrow.irene - 2010-12-06 23:32

      Sadly there are still many farmers who abuse their workers, a recent study revealed a third of southa fricanfarm workers are underpaid. That being said, there are also some amazing famrers who have builtschools, creches libraries for their employees. I happen to believe senku24 because i ve heard about this from the horses mouth. There are always two sides to a coin.

      AJ - 2010-12-07 07:51

      @scarecrow.irene Uhm, so this farmer, and his wife and 3 year old who were murdered? Were they the farmer in Nelsruit alledgley not paying illegal immigrants? NO he was not, so what is your point as relates to THIS families 'lives' then?

      4daluvofSA - 2010-12-07 09:15

      @EG, have you ever seen a white person doing manual labour? Have you ever seen a white maid? Have you ever seen a white gardner? Go to Shoprite, Spar, Pick and many cleaners, cashiers, packers have you seen that are white? Does this mean that all white people are educated? Funny thing is i have seen a few white beggars...are they unemployable? BEE? Not!!

      Dewald - 2010-12-07 14:55

      @4daluvofSA. @EG, have you ever seen a white person doing manual labour? - Yes Have you ever seen a white maid? - Yes Have you ever seen a white gardner? - Yes Go to Shoprite, Spar, Pick and many cleaners, cashiers, packers have you seen that are white? - Do see them Does this mean that all white people are educated? - No Funny thing is i have seen a few white beggars...are they unemployable? BEE? Not!! - Yip (Probably unemployable)

      4daluvofSA - 2010-12-07 16:02

      @Dewald, well i dont know where you leave but I have not seen any in the places that i have been to and i travel a lot around SA or are you talking about Orania?

      Other Justin - 2010-12-08 13:28


  • jic - 2010-12-06 16:39


      EG - 2010-12-06 17:02

      Are they porn or pawns or prawns? I've heard that theory thousands of times, but I still need to understand why? Do you think they don't realise that as long as this country is producing they can dip their fingers in the pie. And if they do overthrow the country and kill all the whites the pie won't last very long... (I don't think you can entirely compare this case with the ET case. There might be an argument that ET had incited anger towards him, but how could a 3 yr old child do that?!)

      7thFloor - 2010-12-06 18:17

      Gosh Christine, the religious comment really struck a nerve with you. Just because Jesus did not intervene in these savage acts and tragedies doesnt mean he didn't or doesn't exsist. Your comment is one of naivety, if we as humans can not respect each then why should HE intervene.

      Francois B - 2010-12-06 20:02

      Please dont type in Caps lock. And I lost you at the porn bit..

      Qljo42 - 2010-12-06 22:17

      Well, if you look at countries like IRAN, you will see that a government can live and survive quite well shutting down the economy COMPLETELY, just by receiving their orders from ABOVE. So DON'T THINK that ANYTHING will BECOME BETTER AT ALL if WE DON'T STRIKE AGAINST THEM - otherwise WE ALL WILL GO DOWN with this SHIT!!!

  • Stefan - 2010-12-06 16:40

    Some advise to those who would listen I take everyone who are putting up these comments are actively involved in trying to better South Africa, through actions and deeds, and not from behind the luxury of his/her computer? If not, get involved in your community, join the CPF, go clear up known hijack hotspots, write letters to the UN.

      PANNEVIS - 2010-12-06 17:01

      Good advice, as long as I can wear my traditional weapons (handgun and rifle).

      Neo - 2010-12-06 17:40

      Agreed!! I have noticed from most of these posts, from farm killings to rugby, that they are racially motivated. Hopefully this represents a small percentage of our rainbow nation. Rather work together and bring these savages to book and create a better future for your children, rather than fuelling a fire that you do not want to see.

      Mr.Glum - 2010-12-06 17:55

      * Our CPF meetings are like ANC meetings... talk, talk, talk and mostly concerned about the variety of snacks. * Hijackers are armed, I'm not... pay tax so that cops can do their job. * UN... they only react after about one million deaths - with unwanted emergency food. * Luxury of my computer... while it lasts. * Stefan... listening, but easier said that done. Been there, tried that, but people just don't seem desperate enough yet.

      Hardtail - 2010-12-07 08:01

      Stefan, you so know that you are writing to the "pc-fighters"....strong and mean behind a screen, meek and timid without it...and i think that goes for all here...

      darkwing - 2010-12-07 18:27

      So, how many hijack hot spots have you cleared up in your 4x4? And what exactly do you think that toothless organization is going to do?

  • Bruce Graham - 2010-12-06 16:44

    If I was a black South African I would be one of those (at least) singing 'that' song. If not doing something about it. This is kharmic bad weather that has to be lived through for the genocide (of the San) of our past. We need to react to this by turning the other cheek and accepting this as a reaction to the injustice we perpetrated. If we react well, we will create less extremity in everyone's thinking and contribute to a just future society.

      Cobus - 2010-12-06 16:56

      Hi Bruce, would you please be our next sacrifice lamb!

      Cobus - 2010-12-06 16:58

      Sorry - "SACRIFICIAL LAMB"

      paulvanderschyff - 2010-12-06 17:01

      Who are you? Are you the humming, meditating one sitting on the "hill of sins", chanting a regret-song of our past indiscretions?

      EG - 2010-12-06 17:04

      I'd like to see you turning the other cheek if your father/mother/brother/sister/wife/child get killed like this. From all that cheek-turning you might very well be next.

      Liselette - 2010-12-06 17:17

      Let's see you say that when it's your three year old being executided, you absolute sanctimonious hypocrite!

      jsvisagie - 2010-12-06 17:17

      This is a joke right?

      Mr.Glum - 2010-12-06 17:21


      Mr.Glum - 2010-12-06 17:59

      @paulvanderschyff. I think old brucie here is just another ignomoron ostrich with head snug in the sand.

      nuclear - 2010-12-06 20:34

      Bruce, sanity is not welcome on this forum.

      franssmith100 - 2010-12-06 22:52

      Bliksem, wat rook jy? You should not be allowed out on the street - you are a danger to yourself and anybody close to you - poepol.

      scarecrow.irene - 2010-12-06 23:45

      Seconding nuclear, when you have theability to objectify a situation, you are castrated by other readers.

      gillywilde - 2010-12-07 00:53

      Reading all these comments has me in tears of laughter, I can't believe that there are people out there like you. I'm hoping that this is all just a wind up. If you are serious you are one sick person, you need help. This is just terrible that the killing of innocent children should be condoned, oh sorry accepted. Lets hope if it is your child you will be so willing to ACCEPT it and TURN the other cheek. Bollocks to Kharmic bad weather, get over the past and look to the future, with people like you around we don't have much hope of having one. How on earth does one REACT WELL when your child, any child is murdered?????? Get over yourself!!!!!

      AJ - 2010-12-07 07:55

      @Bruce Graham: jeez I just hope you are not a pilot, bus driver, surgeon etc or any job where you are directly responsible for the safety of many people's lives.....

      Dewald - 2010-12-07 12:00

      @betweenu&me. Our children are not "stuff".

      Other Justin - 2010-12-08 13:34

      Geeeez.....Bruce, do you mind if your 3 year old or child is the next vistim? Thought not, Please can I have whatever you are smoking, PLEEEAAAASSSEEEE!

  • SACOUNTRY - 2010-12-06 16:51

    @ntokozoe: What are you going on about?? Thank you though for acknowledging the fact that killing is wrong, especially that of any race and a child! but ntokozoe apartheid is long over! The quicker you realise it and many others the better this country will be! Just stop with racism it affects all of us, and sometimes people just use racism as an excuse for just being a coward!

      John Wilderness - 2010-12-07 04:06

      PIPE DREAM !!! Apartheid is not long over. While apartheid mey be off the books, the effects of apartheid will haunt the country for many decades to come.

      Dewald - 2010-12-07 15:00

      @John Wilderness. Can't go around killing to thaw these "effects" though.

  • christine - 2010-12-06 16:55

    there is absolutly nothing in the entire universe that would justify these savage killing--one must then assume that such actions are the work of savages--this is what many of us in sa and the world think --can we all be wrong

  • Mike - 2010-12-06 16:56

    The time to act is now.We cant carry on like this byjust turning the other cheek all the time.

      Cobus - 2010-12-06 17:03

      Mike - this calls for a "Tripple Bells" a High quality "NO" to all these atrocities - Action is defenitely required!!!

  • jsvisagie - 2010-12-06 17:00

    Ntokozoe, are jou serious? I feel like you just made a very bad joke and no-one seems to be laughing, as solovapor pointed out, a 17-year old suspect was also involved in this and there is no bloody way in hell that he was part of apartheid. Go get a life, it is still that whole metality of the world owes me something, build a bridge and get over it. Everyone else has to, you are not special in that regard.

  • dictator - 2010-12-06 18:17

  • Piecasso - 2010-12-06 19:22

    @ntokozoe. Reading a RUSSELS SALE pamphlet on couches and TV prices, does not equip you in historical readings. Neither does your 'liberation before education', training. Why don't you comment on the fact that the ANC was started as a treasonous organization from day-one ? Why don't you comment on the 4-year old white kids that was blown up by ANC landmines ? Why don't you comment on the cannibalism of the ANC when they attacked a nun, Dr Mary Quinlan, on 26 th of June 1952, killed her, and ate her up totally ? Why don't you comment on the 20 500 blacks that was killed by the ANC from 1984 to 1994, by the necklace method ? Why don't you comment on the paganistic barbarism of the black population that you try and defend rather ? You are on news24. Why don't you search the word 'muti', and see what jumps up. You don't represent a culture. You represent barbarism. In 2000 years from now, your people will still not know the meaning of the word 'civilization'. This comment is the closest you will get to it in your lifetime, and the next.

      nuclear - 2010-12-06 20:58

      Piecasso - Why don't you comment on the deaths due to being mistaken for baboons, or the dragging behind bakkies of workers, the bodies dropped from a plane, the tying up & smearing of acid for the sake of weapons testing. Barbarism is not unique to any one race.

  • bornfree - 2010-12-06 19:32

    I'm from Zim, you know what, SA got a beautiful country and beautiful people, you need to realise that you are one not divided.I've spent the last ten years living in over 7 countries, my family split over 4 continents and haven't seen each other for years, thanks to the situation in Zim, all because of thinking about the past, you guys have a beautiful country make the most out of it, arrest murderers and introduce death penalty I mean some people are just too evil in this country. Some people are worried about SA's image, what about the family members of those killed it's South Africans killed, it's so sad this black white needs to end you are South Africans and you have a beautiful country. You seem to all just care about the image of this party or that, what about those killed. I can't even imagine witnessing a loved one getting killed and being defenselessly killed.

  • BBA - 2010-12-06 20:05

    When ARE the people of this country going to stand up and say "Enough"? There are incredibly worrying things going on in this country and we seem to be complacent. The whites are unfortunately a minority and we seem to be farting against a thunderstorm. Our beloved government seems to be more interested in China and spending tax payers money than they are in the people of this country. It is so sad that the black people can't actually see that they will eventually be the ones that will be the worst off. We could go on and cite loads of wrongs in SA, but until we consciously decide and act that we have had enough and stand together, unfortunately nothing is going to change except that the country will continue deteriorating and a rapid rate.

  • dictator - 2010-12-06 20:17

    More farmers killed..4 last week as I'm sure you all know and of course...NO word from J.Zuma.No word from any black ministers.No word from Desmond Tutu.No word from the ANC.No word from the ANC youth League..I could go on and on....The murders are disgusting but in a strange way the silence from the so called leaders are even more disturbing!

      mrdanger006 - 2010-12-07 08:17

      not even a word from the bloody minister of agriculture, they must think carefully what all the people of this country will eat when all the food is gone.

  • Leeutjie - 2010-12-06 21:24

    We have to stand up for ourselves. The goverment do not care for white kids, or any white people for that matter. This genocide was all planned years ago at robben island. The anc is brilliant tacticians. If they declared war years ago they would have lost out badly.(lots of blood) They can't declare on white people now because the have an image of " forgiven" to uphold. This way(killing us family after family) they keep the image and get the land back. Black people don't care to sit under a tree next to a shsck with a cow for milk and three mielies on the land. They don't care if the whole thing collapses as the whites will loose badly, they are the big earners.

      Qljo42 - 2010-12-06 22:42

      This government will stay another 30 years, until the country is completely down the drain. If nobody stops them now. Every day it will become harder to get rid of them. Look at GDR (East Germany), North Korea, Iran, Cuba, just to name a few.

  • John Wilderness - 2010-12-07 03:12

    Ja don't blame apartheid they say, however it is so obvious that those apartheid chickens have now come home to roost.

      SA1 - 2010-12-07 07:17

      Is thats the excuse for murdering a child in cold blood ?????

      Hope123 - 2010-12-07 07:30

      Don't you guys think it's time a country is run by technology rather than politicians? Like a big online internet business. Money in gets distributed via the internet to roads, welfare, housing etc. The commitee or trustees will then consist of well known and trusted businessmen like Rupert, Roodt and Shussler and run it without pay. For example will an idiot like JZ be able to run his own company? So how can he run a large one like SA? Any idiot can become a politician, but not all can run a successful business!

      Lana - 2010-12-07 08:18

      Lee blikke maak die meeste lawaai ne?

      betweenu&me - 2010-12-07 08:52

      @Hope123: Brilliant idea!

  • Lana - 2010-12-07 08:13

    My heart breaks for the family, NOTHING warrant the death of this family, NOTHING can or will ever justify the lives lost. Every action has a reaction; you cannot throw a stone and not accept the water to ripple! How far the ripples will go, we must see, I doubt the murderers can swim though ;-)

      mrdanger006 - 2010-12-07 08:38

      lana the sad thing is the murders don't have to swim, they will get prison for a few years, where the tax paying family of those murdered will pay for them to eat, sleep and even for there dental care.

      betweenu&me - 2010-12-07 08:50

      @Lana: "Every action has a reaction; you cannot throw a stone and not accept the water to ripple!". Good, so you understand how the policies of apartheid feature in this situation!

      Lana - 2010-12-07 08:57

      I agree. Ignorance and arrogance can only be mates for so long mrdanger. I am just wondering how long a man can sit on a thrown build with spears before his backside gets holes?

      Lana - 2010-12-07 09:03

      Betweenu&me - gracious me, no I don't actually, I was still a baby in the apartheid years so I don't. I thought all the apartheid ppl are already dead and other's VERY old. That dam ran empty LOOONNNNGGG time ago...maybe you should have drifted with that water.....FAARRRR away!

      Lana - 2010-12-07 09:05

      mrdanger, I agree, a very sad situation indeed. I am just wondering how long a man can sit on a thrown build with spears without his backside getting holes?

      betweenu&me - 2010-12-07 09:11

      @Lana: I'll quote you again "How far the ripples will go, we must see". Yes, these ripples are not ending. Apartheid ended 16 years ago. Sweetie, it's not that long ago.

      mrdanger006 - 2010-12-07 10:07

      @betweenu&me so the ripples of apartheid have not ended, and the ripples form whites being attacked are only growing, we are heading for waves. and what will the waves be (a war?)

      mrdanger006 - 2010-12-07 11:06

      @betweenu&me i know the slate can't and won't just be cleaned. i can understand that anger over apartheid will continue for a long time, and some whites are feeling hard done by, by some government policies and the fact that it seems to them the country is going out backwards, but the issue is that we need something to happen that does not make the racial divide bigger, or else we will not be able to call ourselves the rainbow nation for much longer. leaders need to step up and try and heal these wounds, mandela and deklerk did a good job to get the ball rolling but no other leaders have stepped up since then. at the moment you get the sense that our leaders are happy to let that divide get bigger. you get the sense that many a man on the street is really making an effort from both side. i feel it might be that the leaders feel they get some sort of political gain form taking a negative stance and not being open to change.

      kappie - 2010-12-07 12:12

      @4daluvofSA, So you saying that if i dont find a black person attractive that I am racist????Weird dude

      wer.pretorius - 2010-12-07 15:43

      @4daluvofSA: If I don't find a black person attractive, it's cause I don't find that person sexually attractive... It's like saying to a Gay person that if He/She doesn't find a member of the opposite sex attractive, he/she is gender biased... Please man!! What the hell does sexual preference have to do with a family being slaughtered, and a 3 year old little girl executed? You are just as illusioned as the government...

  • jasminex2 - 2010-12-07 08:44

    go and look at the sister site beeld. they have pictures of the 5 killers.

  • 4daluvofSA - 2010-12-07 09:33

    I feel very sorry for the families, this is very wrong but for Mr Hofmeyer the whole celebrity with thousands of followers to write something like that on FB!? This guy has fans who look up to him, what makes him so different from Julius cos most of his fan base is also a bunch of uneducated people who would do anything that he says! The funny thing is that he is just taking advantage of the situation just like how hw did with ET's murder trying to act like a true Afrikaner in order to increase his fanbase and sell more records!! cicici...shame on you dude! I feel sorry for his employees!

      Freak - 2010-12-07 11:44

      What makes him different from Julius is he will not be able to get away with it and he is not singing "Kill the k4" lets see how the world reacts when he does?

      Freak - 2010-12-07 11:52

      What makes him different from Julius is he will not be able to get away with it and he is not singing "Kill the k4"

      4daluvofSA - 2010-12-07 12:49

      @Freak, your name says it all....need i say more?

      Other Justin - 2010-12-08 13:40

      @4daluvofSA - What he says is true, there are 2 sets of rules in this country, one for the ANC-PF and the other for the rest of us. The ANC-PF can do as they please while we have to live by the countries laws.

  • Ares - 2010-12-07 09:50

    @ntokozoe Why should I (in fact, all of us whites on this forum) apologise for something WE didn't do? Schmuck...

      betweenu&me - 2010-12-07 10:38

      @Ares: Apologise, don't apologise, that's your choice. But have some empathy and realise that not everyone has had the same experience in this country. Just have some empathy.

      isede - 2010-12-07 12:49

      Asking whites to apologise would be like asking a criminal to apologise when he is not yet convicted . For me the only solution is not this emotional claptrap , the real rainbow or unity will start when government gives land to us blacks . Of which that will happen soon

      Ares - 2010-12-07 13:31

      @isede Did you do something that the police are looking for you? We didn't take the land from you twats. Jan van Rhiebeek NEGOTIATED land with the tribes and they agreed. But just like today, they changed their minds when they saw how prosperous they were. You guys were too ignorant to look under the soil to find the minerals that made us rich. All you did was talk by clicking and drank from ostrich eggs, living in kak houses (literally, you guys made your homes out of sh*t). Farm killings have been around for over 300 years. So we had to defend ourselves and lock you locusts up. Just as the locusts ate everything in Egypt as one of the plagues, you guys destroy everything you touch. You, your ancestors and sangoma chommies can go and paint your history on your cave walls while we strive to make South Africa work. Now go inside and get yourself an ice-cream.

      isede - 2010-12-07 14:15

      negotiate with a gun in hand . Killing , raping , looting, murder slavery all of it from you people . I dont want you tochange your views , you should hold on to your views because that is the only way you shall remain a relevant minority in an African country . The locust flies nowadays . Unlike you who have been given chance after chance by sellouts like Tutu , you shall be sidelined , ostricised or even forcefully removed from our soil

      Ares - 2010-12-07 15:00

      @isede God is my protector, you can shoot and kill me, but you can never touch my soul. It must be hard being black.... looking in the mirror and running your hands through that hair wondering if a spider will come out and bite you. Or, having your photo taken in black and white...... all you'll see is teeth..... but only if you brushed that morning........

      Dewald - 2010-12-07 15:08

      @isede. It seems like "Never, never again ......" (speech by Nelson Mandela) got lost on you man.

      gillywilde - 2010-12-08 00:59

      @isede and @ares. WOW. How long are you going to keep the hatred going??? With people like you around we have NO hope!!! I'm lost for words with regard to your bitter comments

      Ares - 2010-12-08 08:19

      @gillywilde You lost for words because normally the truth does that...

      Other Justin - 2010-12-08 13:43

      @isede - Ever looked up the word "entitlement" or "food security"? Thought not, give mad bob in Zim a ring, he can explain....

  • isede - 2010-12-07 12:43

    farmers are easy pickings for criminals . They are isolated and some of them keep cash , jewellery or valuables . The fact that most of these farmers are white because of racial laws of the past years is of no matter . Once black farmers start to get land in 2012 they will also feel the wrath of criminals

      Ares - 2010-12-07 13:35

      You? A farmer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh my word, I nearly died laughing.... you can only plant weeds and marijuana for your pathetic tribal rituals that your so called witch doctors enjoy using as their "brew"....

      gillywilde - 2010-12-08 01:04

      Enough already you two!! Where is this getting either of you? This is just what we don't need.

      Ares - 2010-12-08 08:20

      @gillywilde He started it !!!!! :)

      gillywilde - 2010-12-08 09:44

      @ares grow up you are not in the school playground or maybe you are!!

      Ares - 2010-12-08 11:51

      @gillywilde Maybe you and your caveman buddy should hook up together and get a little coomfortable after a few shots of tequila, since you clearly so far up his ass.

      Other Justin - 2010-12-08 13:45

      @Ares - I was there, I saw, it was isede that started it! LOL!

      Ares - 2010-12-08 14:32

      @Other Justin Thanks my man... I have an alibi !! LMAO!!

      gillywilde - 2010-12-08 21:27

      @ares this has just become a slanging match and it's pointless juvenile comments are just a waste of space. I'm out of here.

  • Johannes - 2010-12-07 15:05

    WOW they could handle the case of Dewani very quickly but what about Eugene Terre'Blanche's CASE !!! Trying to show S.A. IS A GOOD COUNTRY HA-HA what a JOKE!!!!!!!! The trial of Chris Mahlangu and the teenager was postponed to May next year as Judge Joseph Raulinga was not available for the original December 6 date. The trial was set down for two weeks, from May 3 to May 13 We are being exterminated one by one? Make a person wonder

  • Johannes - 2010-12-07 15:08


      isede - 2010-12-07 15:55

      Johhanes , I dont beleive , never beleived in this fallacy that is called rainbow nation. A fallacy sold down african throats so that we could be Proud of being SAns but in reality not worth anything . But nowadays we move away from such weak talk , we take bolder steps to remove those against africans . Thru legislation we will do it , if that fails we will corner and subdue the enemy of africans

      Other Justin - 2010-12-08 13:47

      @isede - I am apparently your enemy. I would love to see you try and subdue me.....please, please try.

      Ares - 2010-12-08 14:40

      @isede The rainbow is a fallace, because there is no black colour in it. The only black I see in the sky is when there is a huge thunderstorm with lightning and bringing down hail. Sort of like you.... a destructive lot that after you have destroyed everything, you sit on your tin cans and say "eish, wat heppened here?"

  • Johannes - 2010-12-07 15:14

    isede show me the black in the rainbow please please

  • Roelof - 2010-12-07 17:43

    Ons mense moet nog seker 60 jaar uitgemoor word voordat ons iets sal doen en vir al die mense wat se jou punt is my punt is solank dit mos nie met jou gesin gebuer gee ons mos nie om. Mense die tyd is hier waar die Afrikaaner moet opstaan en geweld ontmoet met geweld die tyd van mooi praat en smeek is verby. De La Ray Dis tyd mense hou op weg kruip agter julle dit sal nooit met my en my mense gebuer.

  • gillywilde - 2010-12-08 09:41

    @ares. No your comments are not truth, just nasty, ugly, bitter words that fuel racist attitudes both ways. Enough already.

      Ares - 2010-12-08 11:52

      @gillywilde If that's how you see it, what you going to do about it? Its freedom of speech, if they can preach "kill the boer" then why can't I voice my opinion? But I don't have to justify my statements to you. You don't merit anything from me.

  • akesaris - 2010-12-16 04:33

    That murder was racial hatred in its purest form,,what animals,they should be hung

  • witboer - 2010-12-27 19:43

    Hang em high.

  • Sharon - 2011-06-26 18:11

    Every time Juluis sings 'his' song my heart freezes - I have family on a farm...........who know's how to link farm killings to when the song is sung in public. i.e it was sung at Julius hearing and that day and within that week were any farmers and workiers killed.

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