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Dept: Open toilets' land meant for houses

2011-07-14 14:09

Cape Town - The unenclosed toilets’ land in Harrismith that have seen residents cry foul were meant for public houses that will still be built, the human settlements ministry said on Thursday.

"There are no 'open toilets'," ministerial spokesperson Mandulo Maphumulo said after Minister Tokyo Sexwale visited the Free State town a day earlier.

"They were built on service sites and people were told that they have to pay R10 000 or R12 000 for those. We went there yesterday and people were misinformed. They were told they had to buy them."

Rumour or reality

She said Sexwale wanted to establish whether somebody had started a rumour that residents of Tshiame in Harrismith had to buy service sites or whether corrupt local councillors had indeed tried to extort money from the community.

"It may be a rumour, it may be true. We have to investigate. He (Sexwale) went there with the police and said if somebody told you this, tell us who they are. The community also has a responsibility to report this."

Maphumulo said the Maluti-a-Phofung municipality had built 500 toilets on the site in Harrismith in question. Of these, 311 were part of service sites that would become RDP houses under an approved project.

On the rest of the sites, houses would be built for the so-called gap market – low-income earners who cannot access bank financing for a home.

The situation in Harrismith was reported on Wednesday as another so-called open toilet saga and drew an outraged response from Sexwale

"This represents the worst form of planning which degrades the dignity of the poorest of the poor," he said.

Long legal battle

His spokesperson said there had been reports of open toilets in Skierlik as well, and he would look into those during his visit to the town.

In early 2011, the Democratic Alliance become embroiled in a political storm for failing to enclose more than 1 300 toilets in Makhaza on the Cape Flats.

After a long legal battle, the city council on Monday began building structures around these.

The African National Congress was hit by its own open toilet scandal in Rammulotsi in the Free State on the eve of the municipal elections. The toilets were built seven years ago but never enclosed.

The ministry said "everything is in place" to start enclosing them.

Comments
  • Civil_Rights - 2011-07-14 14:13

    We leaving in a Crap era. Welcome to KAKfontein, population; Government.

      MrSpiderman - 2011-07-14 16:18

      No, No! This is Africa! You first build the toilets so you can see where the houses should be!

  • edd - 2011-07-14 14:20

    Another useless excuse...

  • SirMark - 2011-07-14 14:21

    corrupt local councillors ??? in SA ?? never

  • daaivark - 2011-07-14 14:25

    Ah yes. Putting the fart before the horse (house). Hmmm. Sure. Makes perfect sense.

  • biskit - 2011-07-14 14:32

    Toilet this open toilet that ffs just flush it already!

  • Smaal - 2011-07-14 14:35

    So if I build a toilet somewhere does that mean the government would build the house for me?

  • Juliarse - 2011-07-14 14:40

    "It may be a rumour, it may be true." WTF! just this morning Tokyo said it wasnt true. Yoh! Jou Ma se punani. Lying m*therflippers.

      Juliarse - 2011-07-14 14:44

      "People who earn R3 500 and above are the people who the communities agree and understand should pay. There must have been a cross of info where people heard those who are paying, and they confused that with the free housing that is normally given to the poorest," - Tokyo Sekwale. So what is it? Fact or fiction?

  • Mad man - 2011-07-14 14:55

    Of course misinformed by DA

      daaivark - 2011-07-14 15:14

      The record's scratched.

      tonno - 2011-07-14 15:37

      @mad man - crumbs, you are so dull and boring. By continuing this silly game of yours you really are giving away your level of intelligence... or shall I put it the lack thereof.

  • DW - 2011-07-14 14:55

    I have never heard of a toilet being put onto and empty site and a house being built around it. Do these guys have any idea what they are doing. You may do the sewerage connection to the site, but you build the house (with foundations, walls and roof) first and then put the fittings (including toilet, bath/shower, basin and kitchen sink) in afterwards. This whole thing stinks. If things are being done the wrong way around it shows, once again, tender fraud etc. This needs to be properly investigated, not covered up, once again, by the ANC politicians

      Michael - 2011-07-14 15:03

      U surely have no clue. These are outside toilets and not inside a house.

      Dave - 2011-07-14 15:27

      True, but if you saw the pictures on TV, the toilets were put right alongside each other, no ways you can build like that

      Totman - 2011-07-14 16:11

      Many moons ago while the old regime was still in power they build nearly a whole township of toilets somewhere in the now Limpopo province. No houses were build and it gave the impression of a toilet memorial for many years. I wonder if it is still standing? Anyone? My point is that, that is the way these place get develop for many years and the fact that the toilets are standing next to each other is because it is where the corners of 4 plots connect to make waste removal, through pipes, easier. I did not check the video properly, when it was showing on the news, but I think that was what you h'v spotted Dave.

  • Anonymous Thinker - 2011-07-14 15:05

    Since when does a toilet get built first and then the house? Sounds like a whole bunch of people are going to get ripped off again.

      Jasber - 2011-07-14 15:19

      This happens all over Africa

      johan - 2011-07-14 15:38

      THIS IS THE WAY THE ANC THINKS. THE TOILET IS APPARENTLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE HOUSEHOLD, WHETHER IT IS ENCLOSED OR NOT. IF THEY ARE BUILT TO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER OR NOT IS IMMATERIAL. SA. IS GOING TO THE DOGS WITH THIS 17 YEAR REGIME. MALEMA SPENT R78000-OO FOR 3 DAYS HOLIDAY. HE SAYS HE WANTS TO UPLIFT THE POOR. NOW HOW CAN WE CONNECT THIS WHOLE FIASCO? AND PETROL STATIONS HAVE NO MORE FUEL.THIS PLACE IS A F%UKUP.

      Totman - 2011-07-14 16:25

      When you build certain type of serviced plots, for people, that is the way you do it. It's happening now for many decades. The reason for the toilet is to control hygiene on a certain level at least. These plots than gets allocated. Build yourself[bricks], gov. built or allowing any structure.

  • Jasber - 2011-07-14 15:07

    They have being crapping in the open for centuries - so what is the problem now or is this another colonial ploy?

      daaivark - 2011-07-14 15:15

      Grow up.

  • Jasber - 2011-07-14 15:13

    This is the first time I have ever seen an empty field scattered with that many toilets - it could only happy in Africa - if that happened in Durban the same thieves that steal scrap metal would have stolen all of them over night ha ha ha problem resolved - baci to crapping in open bushland ha ha ha

  • Pupuzela - 2011-07-14 15:30

    I've just bought 4 mags. I'll worry about the car later.

  • Joe Donner - 2011-07-14 15:37

    Bou eers die kakhuis en bou dan die res van die huis om die kakhuis en hoop dan die kakhuis staan nie in die middel van die sitkamer na die bouwerkies afgehandel is nie.

  • Slapper - 2011-07-14 16:25

    Very strange for them to build toilets before they build the house? I wonder who got the contract and for how much?

  • Watcher - 2011-07-14 16:27

    Two points that arise. 1. Why have we not yet gone for site and service stands as a better option. Build and enclose a toilet with provision for a basin or bath. This should be on an area where the toilet is part of the foundations. provide the people with plans and let them initially place their shack on the floor. This will guarantee that the houses will be above the 50 or 100 year flood mark.The area will be properly laid out with provision for parks and schools etc and the community will develop a sense of pride in finishing off their own house that they build as and when funds allow. 2. The report re the toilets in Cape town neglects to mention that the Municipality was only required to provide a far smaller number of toilets, but, in the interests of the community they made an agrement with the community to provide many more on condition that the community enclosed the toilets. The community reneged on its agreement and it was used as an election ploy by the ANC during the local elections. Pity for them that their own duplicity was severely shown up as the ANC erected toilets had been up for 7 years. I wish that the reporter would not do a half hearted job just for the sake of the story

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