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Desmond Tutu criticises SA whites

2011-08-12 09:39

Stellenbosch - Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu on Thursday had harsh words for South Africa’s white population, as well as for Cabinet ministers who he said should lose their expensive cars as a gesture to show the poor that they cared.

“Our white fellow citizens have to accept the obvious: You all benefitted from apartheid. But that does not mean that all are responsible for apartheid.

“Your children could go to good schools. You lived in smart neighbourhoods. Yet so many of my fellow white citizens become upset when you mention this. Why? Some are crippled by shame and guilt and respond with self-justification or indifference. Both attitudes make that we are less than we can be.”

Tutu was speaking at the Stellenbosch Institute for Advanced Study (Stias) on Thursday night, where a book, The Humanist Imperative in South Africa was launched. It features a collection of essays by top academics about how mutual respect between South Africans can be fostered, and how to really listen to one another.

'Apartheid hurt all of us'

Tutu also called on Cabinet members to get rid of their expensive cars in solidarity with the poor.

“There are people in our country who go to sleep without eating a meal. I believe your handbook makes provision for buying expensive cars. And most of you do just that. But in the spirit of ubuntu,  I am pleading for you to exchange them for cheaper cars. Just to show the poor that you care for them.

Tutu said South Africa had become notorious for the gap between rich and poor.

He also recounted how a while ago he had been on a Nigerian plane with two black pilots at the helm.

“We suddenly hit heavy turbulence and my first thought was that there wasn’t a white man in the cabin to bring us back to safety.

“That was how badly eroded my self-image had become. When you hate yourself, you project that onto others who look like you. You then sit with black-on-black violence.

“Apartheid hurt all of us - no one escaped. We all carry the wounds with us,” said Tutu.
 

Comments
  • panafricanis - 2011-08-12 09:44

    Now lets see if they are going to critisize their hero....Desmond Tutu....

      Felix - 2011-08-12 09:53

      I'm sorry I got a good education! I shall now go bash my head against a wall in the spirit of Ubuntu.

      MeeMoo - 2011-08-12 09:57

      Oh also what the hell has the BEE money making train been doing for the "poor blacks"??

      The Wonderer - 2011-08-12 09:58

      Sis Tutu, you criticise the Whites for driving fancy cars, yet your ANC organisation wasted R10 BILLION rand and counting & they drive fancy cars. Every election the ANC lies to the poor just to get their votes, only to enrich themselves once in power again. By being part of the ANCorruption organisation you are just as guilty!! Have you Tutu nothing to say over the fraud and corruption of Malema?? SIS man!!!

      panafricanis - 2011-08-12 10:04

      Its funny how Desmond Tutu was a hero just a month ago when he critisized Zuma and The ANC...now he is an enemy just because he mentioned how others have benefited from aparthied, I respect Tutu....He speaks the truth and nothing else but the Truth.....

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-12 10:05

      lol @ johann, you just made his point you're a silly man

      CHIPPER_CHAP - 2011-08-12 10:15

      WHAT CAR DOES HE HAVE OR GET DRIVEN AROUND IN? AND IS HE A FREQUENT FLYER AND WHAT CLASS?

      4_Way_Test - 2011-08-12 10:15

      WOW, White people benifited from Apartheid. - You do not have to have a IQ above 90 to know that. How people can say bad things about Tutu is unbelievable. The people who comment here have no concept of Good or Bad. All they want to do is create a White vs Black culture, which is the same Malema wants, go figure !

      daaivarksetier - 2011-08-12 10:16

      The RE-APARTHEID now in the New SA is worse than it was back in the so called apartheid era where whites rule. There was almost no rape cases, no house breaking, no murders, all the streets, parks beaches and holiday destinations was in good clean condition. Johannesburg was CLEAN and there as NO RUBBISH on the side walks. I am not for apartheid I know it was wrong, but just get my point it is not better. Crime is a problem now in SA since 1994, 89 murders per day these days in SA is at such a rate now that SA is considered as one of the most dangerous countries in the WORLD. Parks look like dump sites, all you all drive luxury cars wish tax payers buy for you. Raping small children and woman is a daily thing, 500 000 (half a million) woman and children in SA annually, every 17 seconds a woman or child gets rape, in SA a woman is more likely to get raped than learning to read. And you call this the freedom country the land of milk and Honey. Well excuse me you retard if you call the better land now than back in the day prior 1994 you are IQ robbed and pig mentally ill just like all you all, the whole ANC and followers. Deals like the Gautrain and 2010 Soccer staduims are done so you all can pocket money and buy those cars and houses of yours, again tax money, now there is no more money making schemes, no this National Health Insurance,Toll gate's,Nationalizing of mines,so all of you can pocket money again. You all think we are stupid and blind like all of you,guess again!

      redrobot - 2011-08-12 10:17

      @daemos1- Are you too stupid to see what Johannv actually meant?, Falling into the 80 IQ points category aren't we?

      DJ Lovett - 2011-08-12 10:19

      Yes Panafricanis, because 10 or so negative comments on this news site is the view of the whole white demographic in this country....idiot lol!

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-12 10:22

      @redrobot that's the thing about communication, there's no absolute message, we interpret what other people say and I think he just trolled it and deleted his comment anyway.

      Ngalo - 2011-08-12 10:23

      @panafricanis I agree with you, some people are hyprocrites.

      York Hunt - 2011-08-12 10:28

      Learn a new word today: "RE-PARTHEID" Definition: A racial social system whereby the ANC uses the premise that ALL whites (living, dead and still to be born) are responsible for the 60+ year system of apartheid. This premise gives the ANC full right to; plunder the country's resources with impunity, blame all incompetence on apartheid, implement blatant racist labour and taxation practices and instigate hate crime with songs like "Kill the Boer". "RE-PARTHEID"

      inyaniso@24.com - 2011-08-12 10:29

      There is validity in Tutu's comment but the fact that he lives in Bischopscourt and makes these statements flies like a contradiction in his whole spirit of ubuntu. Instead of casting stones, why not live in a poorer neighbourhood as a show of solidarity for the poor Desmond Tutu. As a man of the cloth I find this makes no sense and it will go a long way towards showing these self enriching politicians how to give up creature comforts ne!

      Green Tea - 2011-08-12 10:29

      I agree with Tutu. He is not saying that we should die, give it all up or leave because we did benefit from Apartheid. Tutu is saying we should acknowledge our good fortune and perhaps try and pass some of it on to those who aren't as fortunate.

      Pupuzela - 2011-08-12 10:30

      Of course whites benefited from apartheid, as did blacks, albeit maybe to a lesser extent. Look at the infrastructure that was build in homelands with white tax money. The way the government is going on now, you will still sit with only the apartheid infrastructure for the next 1000 years.

      Henk - 2011-08-12 10:30

      You are right Tutu in saying that we went to Great Schools and lived in Smart Neighborhoods. Now it was your turn for the last 17 years! You got the Jobs, the BEE and still you are living in bad neighborhoods, going to a useless education, having no services. Why should I feel bad for having had all the great things of the past? I only feel bad for your people still having nothing! What car do you drive Mr. Tutu? How much does your expensive tunic cost?

      alessandroz067 - 2011-08-12 10:32

      Pontless indeed

      McDaNife - 2011-08-12 10:33

      Well said Desmond Tutu

      Petie - 2011-08-12 10:38

      The Arch is and will always remain a person to be looked up to and respected - by all. From 1994 we have all tried to contribute (not only tax money) but experience, know-how and whatever mentoring we could muster. This was greeted by an firm middlefinger and the biggest tragedy started - cadre-deployment. We have seen huge enterprises plundered into the ground - won't even mention them. We have seen Aurora scavenged - it what can only be described as a human disaster etc. etc. Arch, we try - but please excuse us if we are somewhat cynical - and we still pay our taxes - even if it dissapears into a bottomless cesspool of corruption.

      Mad Dog - 2011-08-12 10:45

      Tutu! Time to move on, you of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission! Or are you also under the spell of Malema?

      Tembo - 2011-08-12 10:46

      Well the comments here prove tutu right. Remember he's not taking sides as he also criticised black ministers for their lavish ways. I think its a well balanced argument from Mr Tutu. By the way, saying "grow a pair" is a useless argument. Even if ANC has been in power for 17 years , they are useless so what do you say to the poor black who is struggling ? How must he "grow a pair"

      Neles - 2011-08-12 10:47

      @Chipper Chap, The Wonderer - you guys should see Tutu's tax returns and the amount of money he makes in a year. It's shocking. I'd be happy with a fraction of what he makes.

      mike - 2011-08-12 10:48

      @green tea - YOU benefited, I did not (my family waqs not broederbond). I would have probably received a better education elsewhere anyway - I have WORKED for what I have and so did my parents.

      IC1 - 2011-08-12 10:49

      Pity the Arch lost track of who's who and responsible for the tradgedy of Aurora Mines. Some1 should remind hit it's his closest biuddies off-spring, tossers!

      RacingShark - 2011-08-12 10:50

      At daaivarksetier, are u referring to the previous white only zones? You certainly do not know the conditions of the Non white during apartheid.

      cliffarc - 2011-08-12 10:51

      - I would love to know how Tutu and all the others demanding to redress the past, believe that a white minority of 3,5 million ( and shrinking )can uplift a black population of 45 million ( and rising ). Surely they should rather figure to themselves that if a minority group were able to achieve so much, then why cant our black majority do the same ? It's all about cultural mindsets; one group wanting to work hard and progress, the other not. The secret is aspiring to wealth and betterment and not sponging of others wealth.

      Shistirrer - 2011-08-12 10:52

      @Tshepo: The only reason why your thoughts are echoed, is because of the cavern in your skull.

      Henk - 2011-08-12 10:59

      Yes, give them Smaller Cars, less KFC and less Koek and Tea!!!

      JohannV - 2011-08-12 11:01

      Daemos, I didn't delete my own comment, News24 did. Seems I upset a moderator. And I didn't swear, make racist remarks or threaten anyone. Just shows you how stuffed up this circus is. NHI, toll roads, BEE, AA, RAF, ANC, all the acrynoms and little fiscal experiments you can think of. This country is ROTTEN to the core, it's like a smouldering garbage dump that is festering and will eventually self-combust.

      Optimus-Prime - 2011-08-12 11:08

      i'm not going to deny that i benefited from having a rich father - i was able to go to the best schools, i have a great job now and i live a comfortable life. correlations can be drawn between me having a rich father and people benefiting from Apartheid. And yes it may seem that people are still going on about Apartheid but the affects of generations of oppression is a little difficult to get over in such a short period of time.

      daaivarksetier - 2011-08-12 11:09

      @Racing Shark you will see that I clearly stated that I am against the apartheid and that I know it was wrong, I am not to blame for it I did not cause it. That was not my point, my point is the crime rate then and now. Do you like the crime rate in SA now, would you like it if your wife and or child is raped today? Would you like it if they break in to your house load all your stuff in to your car and steel it all? Would you like it if they murder your wife or your Child? Do you like it when you are making ministers and Leader of SA richer then they all ready are? Well all of this Racing Shark is more likely to happen to you now in this so called Freedom New SA since 1994 than those years before 1994. I know Apartheid was wrong, I am against it, but looking past that and at the then and now, I would choose a crime free SA with no apartheid.

      Risen Ape - 2011-08-12 11:14

      Hey Desmond, you black people must accept that you can't blame apartheid on the poor performance of the rest of the continent. Okay my brother?

      Henk - 2011-08-12 11:22

      Czov, I do not see many racist remarks except from Tsepo and Holy Snake

      DW - 2011-08-12 11:23

      @ Tembo - valid comments, but no you dont tell the poor black man to grow a pair. If the ANC is so useless for 17 years - VOTE THEM OUT!!! Problem solved

      Dee - 2011-08-12 11:24

      @Greentea Yes we should give to the less fortunate, but where does it stop? In Cape Town now, I sometimes have to stop at 3 different places, at each place i'm being threatened to give atleast a R10 each time. I'm a student, and can't afford this. Every traffic light there are beggars, or people selling things, where do you draw the line???? When have we contributed enough??? I help out with a soup kitchen, where we make soup/sandwiches, and hand them out to the homeless, but thats not enough??? So when will enough be enough?

      Krush - 2011-08-12 11:35

      Everyone hailed Desmond Tutu when he opposed Israel, which is completely against the biblical scriptures. If you cannot see this man is a political and racist icon you are all very blind - he definitely doesn't know his bible very well but rather uses what he does know to manipulate the unknowledgeable masses. I am not going to to feel guilty or ashamed that white people chose to better themselves; that they chose to grow their economy and create a sound infrastructure - rather I am proud that I was able to receive a good education, learn good morals and values. I know I was taught apartheid was wrong and I am not a racist; however with that being said if you choose to behave yourself like an uneducated barbarian then you should tolerate the reaction you get from people, irrelevant of their race. Even during poverty; certain people do not lose perspective of wrong and right; they do not turn into animals. Here in south africa murder, rape, violence, rioting, discrimination, stealing, corruption are all excused under "being previously disadvantaged." It may work amongst some who feel guilt over the past or those that are corrupt themselves; it may fool some men - but when we die we all die alone and face God and believe me, you won't be able to lie to Him. When you face Him you will have no excuses.

      Dee - 2011-08-12 11:39

      I am also tired of people, who like me were 4 when apartheid ended, harbouring hate, our grandparents and parents have worked hard to restore equaility, Mandela fought for forgiveness, and equality, not for hate and that is not even ours to carry as a generation that was essentially not alive for Apartheid. Rather than dwelling on the sufferings of the opressed during Apartheid can we rather not look forward to how we can pull ourselves out of this poverty and crime? Can we not stand up to a government who is simply blowing a lot of smoke. Instead of improving education like they have said they would, or building houses, also like they have promised. They spend billions on parties and airplanes, cars, heck just the other day it was found out about Malema's trust fund. How about if Malema were to give that trust fund directly to the poor, in the spirit of Ubuntu of course....

      Optimus-Prime - 2011-08-12 11:44

      @Pupuzela, Are for real? blacks benefited from Apartheid? how come the rest of the world didn't see it like that?

      frangelico - 2011-08-12 11:45

      @panafricanis I will critisize Mr.Tutu,as far as I know only the rich benifited,I am not speaking on behalf of others,I speak for myself & my siblings.Our father disappeared shortly after our birth,having married our mother just after WW11.being a foreiner she could not speak any of the two official languages,she did meanial jobs to feed us& to survive The government gave her a small grant barely enough to sustain us. We left school in STD8 as no grant was given after we turned 16.We worked by day & went to night school to graduate in our selected fields of study.So Mr Tutu I do not look upon myself as a privaleged white I Call myself a casualty of war.Both my parents joined the forces to this day our mother has never received any compencation from Britain as for my father may he rot in hell.He put my mother & his family through hell.

      DW - 2011-08-12 11:46

      Whites benefitted - they got a better education. However 150 years ago the Indians came here AS SLAVES. They were subjected to every single one of the abuses of apartheid, but look at them now. They do not lie down and feel sorry for themselves. They work their backsides off. Education is the most important thing for them and their parents insist on the best results. Go to any one of the previous Model C schools in the Durban area - the TOP students are Indian - even up against the "priveleged" whites. It all comes down to attitude. Yes you had a lousy history, but that is history. MAKE YOUR OWN FUTURE, for goodness sake. Stop feeling sorry for yourselves. You have NO excuse any more. The past is gone. Now move on. Every opportunity is now open to you. Just look at the Mandelas and Mbekhis of this world. They were ALSO subjected to apartheid abuse and they went on to become hugely successful. You now live in an era when you have it all offered to you, together with BEE and AA, and you still sit here and bitch about how hard it is. Get over it. Life is not easy. What makes you think that it should be? I have NO MORE SYMPATHY for you "poor, hard-done-by blacks". Either make what is available work for you or shut up and feel sorry for yourself. But stop asking me and others to feel sorry for you. Because we are all guilt tripped out!

      JM - 2011-08-12 11:47

      Oh really Tutu? Considering that you can criticize let me do the same. The reason this country is in such a shambles is because you and your buds hide behind apartheid. Something that has ended 17 years ago. I had black students in class with me in 1989 at Technikon Wits. They had in service training contracts. I didn’t. I had to temporarily suspend my studies because I couldn’t afford it. My part time job at the time just didn’t cut it. My parents could not afford it either. You paint this “Oh the poor black people” picture. Do you want to know why Africans can’t lift themselves out of their miserable condition even after 2 decades of so called democracy? I’ll tell you - it is because you continue to look for the problem in the wrong place. Those that you’ve entrusted with looking after your wellbeing are the real problem. Corruption, nepotism, mismanagement, laziness, zero understanding of how the real world works, no regard for life, a very distorted idea of justice, gullible, unskilled, legalised theft (over taxation), racist. What do you call it when a white child is born in SA today, only to be told in the future – Sorry you can’t get the job – You are white! Affirmative Action – That is racism buddy! Nothing else.

      Palestine - 2011-08-12 11:47

      @ daaisvarksetier , i think the anc is a huge disappointment. a corrupt filthy regime full of hypocrites. but if u for one second thing apartheid was better than this than you must be as dumb as the anc. you didnt hear about the crime stats prior to 1994 because those people being murdered were the black people . even today the murder rate , which i think is 50 per day , bulk of these murders are black ppl in the informal settlements, crime is no different from the apartheid regime , its the same amount of murders its just that now its more widespread across all races.

      daaivarksetier - 2011-08-12 11:53

      @Palestine you will see that I clearly stated that I am against the apartheid and that I know it was wrong, I am not to blame for it I did not cause it. That was not my point, my point is the crime rate then and now. Do you like the crime rate in SA now, would you like it if your wife and or child is raped today? Would you like it if they break in to your house load all your stuff in to your car and steel it all? Would you like it if they murder your wife or your Child? Do you like it when you are making ministers and Leader of SA richer then they all ready are? Well all of this Palestine is more likely to happen to you now in this so called Freedom New SA since 1994 than those years before 1994. I know Apartheid was wrong, I am against it, but looking past that and at the then and now, I would choose a crime free SA with no apartheid.

      Dee - 2011-08-12 11:56

      I have also heard that Desmond Tutu lives in Bishops Court, now doesnt the bible preach that you should lead by example? How about you give up that humble abode....in the spirit of Ubuntu, and lead by example....just a suggestion

      Virginia - 2011-08-12 11:56

      @HolySnake, the problem with most of your"Black People" you are embarrased about your colour, you have been made to feel you are inferior by the way you act stop using skin colour as a tool for your uselessness, being white is not a benefit, think again, whites in this country have never benefited from government handouts, we have worked for everything we got, so top feeling sorry for your self, take a page out of your brothers up North, they get on with life, they dont stand around waiting for handouts like you lot in SA.

      daaivarksetier - 2011-08-12 11:57

      @Palestine you will see that I clearly stated that I am against the apartheid and that I know it was wrong, I am not to blame for it I did not cause it. That was not my point, my point is the crime rate then and now. Do you like the crime rate in SA now, would you like it if your wife and or child is raped today? Would you like it if they break in to your house load all your stuff in to your car and steel it all? Would you like it if they murder your wife or your Child? Do you like it when you are making ministers and Leader of SA richer then they all ready are? Well all of this Palestine is more likely to happen to you now in this so called Freedom New SA since 1994 than those years before 1994. I know Apartheid was wrong, I am against it, but looking past that and at the then and now, I would choose a crime free SA with no apartheid.

      DW - 2011-08-12 12:02

      Palestine, while you may be right about crime in apartheid days, all you are doing is reinforcing why the white man wanted apartheid. (and not, I dont support it, never have and never will). If the crime happened in the townships then and has now spilled over into the previously white areas, all you are doing is pointing out that blacks killed blacks then, and still do now, and now kill whites as well. Which is why the apartheid government wanted to keep them out of the white areas. To stop the indiscriminate killing of whites. Yes they should have addressed the killing in black areas as well. But the point is, that except for very specific people in the army and police, whites did not kill blacks under apartheid, and the white on white murder rate was very low (and still is). All your comment does is highlight what the apartheid government always said and used to justify it. You are not making your cause stronger, but weaker.

      BOFFINBOB - 2011-08-12 12:02

      Et tu Tutu !

      Dieskim - 2011-08-12 12:04

      What about the Church ? The Catholic Church is one of the wealthiest organisations on the planet ! Tutu is it not also the responsibility of the church to feed the hungry, clothe the poor etc. ? The Catholic church is one of the most powerful and corrupt corporations ... Fix the church before you make comments like these... Are you a man of God or a politician ? P.S. is it not mostly white people who contribute to the coffers of the church ? get your head out of your arse, hands out of the coffer and put the churches money where your mouth is ! (with that i don't mean Zuma and Malema's arse)

      John Wilderness - 2011-08-12 12:07

      @MeeMoo - what a lame brain comment.

      Met - 2011-08-12 12:11

      Tutu, show us the way- move out of Bishops Court. When I hear this, it makes me sorry that I did not support apartheid.Is it too late to confess before the TRC?

      Stibrecht - 2011-08-12 12:14

      @ panafricanis - it's one thing too make a comment about an individual but to generalise a race is always a massive mistake. I dont agree with Mr. Tutu, but just like everybody else he's allowed to voice his own opinion, just like I'm allowed to disagree with him.....

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-12 12:18

      @ Dieskim - I fully agree, but Tutu is not a Catholic - he's an Anglican (not much difference between the two, granted) @ Krush - I was open regarding Tutu, but the day he claimed that you can go to heaven without even knowing Jesus, I lost all respect. Believe that if you will, but then don't be an Archbishop...

      Pupuzela - 2011-08-12 12:21

      Optimus-prime, Yes, I are (sic) for real. Once again, I’m crucified for stating the truth. Have you ever wondered, if apartheid had been really so bad, why SA had a problem, back then, with the influx of black people from neighbouring countries and the rest of Africa? Apartheid was painted negatively internationally by the anti-apartheid movement, hence the perception.

      Sailor - 2011-08-12 12:22

      @inyaniso@24.com Tutu lives in Milnerton, a very humble neighbourhood. Learn your facts first before making crude comments.

      tryanything - 2011-08-12 12:33

      Watch this space at least he has nailed the black corrupt elite as well I benefitted from apartheid and can pay income tax to prove it...Trouble is in my business I dont give or recieve kickbacks...maybe Im the sucker...However when Tutu and Mandela are gone the picture will change somewhat..

      G.du Plessis - 2011-08-12 12:38

      I still think Tutu has a point. Us white people need to be more compassionate.

      Kgomotso - 2011-08-12 13:07

      @Cliffarc. White did not uplift Blacks they oppressed them and the population was not that big then.

      Ryan Tunney - 2011-08-12 13:16

      So Mr. Tutu, you say "that during Apartheid white kids went to good schools...blah blah blah". Can you tell me firstly why you deem kids to be taught by black teachers to be receiving poor education? Are you admitting that blacks cannot prosper in their own communities? Secondly, id Apartheid was to blame for the inferior education black kids got during that time, please tell me about the fantastic education they were recieving before Apartheid was introduced. In fact, what education were blacks recieving before the settler arrived? Can you please tell us that because I've always been curious about the education blacks were receiving before the settler arrived.

      Henk - 2011-08-12 13:25

      Thank you Tutu for admitting that the previous Government had Great Schools, Smart Neighborhoods and that this Government has not.Thank you!

      oistar - 2011-08-12 13:32

      I also see no shame in having been educated and will certainly not apologise for that either. nevertheless, Tutu is still one of my hero's so you can swivel on my extended forefinger panafricanis, nqalo etc. I would however be ashamed to be black with the reverent clowns you support

      BigD - 2011-08-12 13:35

      I have to strongly disagree with old Tutu. Maybe if he could look over the window sill when been driven around in the big bucks cars he would make a very important observation. The majority of +R500,000 value new cars been driven around Johannesburg today and last week etc and driven by our black population. Just take a drive to ones local municipality/metro and R500,000 value vehicles are all over the place. Go to Melrose Arch and you will be shocked. So I would take this old mans utterances with a pinch of salt. Or maybe he just woke up in a bad mood. For sure by tomorrow Tutu would have forgotten he even made those comments

      Maddy-CT - 2011-08-12 13:53

      @ pupuzela. To be fair, remember that infrastructure was built during apartheid years using poorly paid black labour, so in that way they also contributed, albeit at great personal cost to themselves and their family structures. I think that was a greater price to pay than mere taxation.

      james4usa - 2011-08-12 14:10

      Some horses will not drink. Despite spending $38,000 pa per "Student" in some Schools black dropout rate is 50%, the ones that Marticulate only 12% ready for College. White Net worth in the US $97,860. Black $2,170. The Chickens came home to roost.

      Boeretroos - 2011-08-12 14:24

      Tutu is but one of the spectres of hate fostered against my people the Afrikaners and Boers. Beneath his robes of projected godliness you encounter the true non pious spirits which he and his minions represent. Desolation and Devastation.

      Blake - 2011-08-12 14:40

      Putting aside the fact that the ANC have corrupt members that live in extreme opulence, and any facts regarding Tutu's lifestyle. The reality is the article is factually correct. As a young white adult who was only 9 years old in 1994. I was never a supporter of apartheid yet i would be lying if i said that i didnt benefit from it. My parents worked extremely hard and sacrificed a lot to be able to send me to a private school, but while i appreciate their hardwork and sacrifice, the reality is that they had good jobs, jobs they might not have had if all citizens were given the same rights and oppurtunities from day one. I benefited from apartheid. This I cannot deny. i think it is irresponsible and a case of selective understanding that so many white South Africans continue to fight this reality. It is extremely counter productive to continue to throw money around in a country with so much poverty. I think the problem is that many people live in their bubbles and dont have a view to fix things. "I work hard for my money and will spend it how i want" that is the defeatist approach which is gonna end up letting the pot boil over. If you have a vested interest in this country. A reason to see this country succeed, you have to do something and stop sitting back and waiting for others to fix things.

      DW - 2011-08-12 14:52

      Blake, what would you suggest. It doesnt help to make bland statements. How do you suggest we help. I admit I got a good education and benefitted from the system. But I was an English speaker who got by on very, very hard work. I had to wangle my way into an Afrikaans university as it was closest to home and offered the qualification at considerably less than the English university. So all my lectures were in Afrikaans but I was still top student. You make the best of the system in place and you work your butt off. This is what is lacking in the general populace. No matter what I do and give, I someone is going to stand with their hand out and tell me that I HAVE to GIVE them something because I OWE it to them due to apartheid, I will tell them to go and jump. A hand up I will always be willing to give. Mentoring and assisting someone who wants to make it for themselves and is prepared to put in the hours and the sweat. But the gimme, you-owe-me mentality is totally destructive and will definitely not get my sympathy any longer. I have had enough of it and I am now drawing a line in the sand. I will help charities where I know it will make a difference like AIDS orphanages etc, but just handing out money to the poor ends now. I will not do it any more.

      Bullit@24.com - 2011-08-12 14:57

      It is amazng that this man has now become the voice of the poor, when he lived in the so called "white areas" and drove the fancy cars, and was globe trotting on the expense of the priviledged pockets - very rich Mr. Tutu, you gained more than enough of your fair share.

      Spyker May - 2011-08-12 15:27

      I do NOT get upset, when told I benefitted from Apartheid, not even remotely. 1) As I know it is absolutely laughable BS. Eg, Just look at what ANC has managed since ’94. A false economy (built on transient investments, while biting the same hand that is feeding them – ie the supposed “Imperial West”, not to mention bathing in the spoils of ‘it’ themselves). Hallucinations of a NHI that makes LSD look like an over-the-counter drug. “Murder and rape” being our definitive official national sport – in fact we are the undisputed world-champions (then they issue a ‘travel advisory’ to Britain – pathetic or childish or both, you decide). Institutionalised ‘Fraud and Corruption’ that will make the Liberia feel inferior. An infrastructure that is on the verge of complete collapse – the reason the costs are beginning to spiral out of control, eg toll-fees, electricity costs, municipal fees, etc, etc. A savage mafia masquerading as the country’s “police” (just ask some of the blondes in Pta). An education system that magically turns the illiterate, into academic prodigies, without the need for any cognitive substance – eg ask the Law Society of SA, despite millions poured into it, we cannot produce a single bona fide black mathematician – just more empty-headed Affirmative Action parrots it seems, just ask The African Institute for Mathematical Sciences. I can cite examples for days on end... cont. below..,

      Spyker May - 2011-08-12 15:27

      So to claim that “Apartheid” was some-or-the-other ‘magic money making machine’, is as laughable as claiming, white people benefitted from the same “magic machine”. White people got very little for ‘free’ under Apartheid (vs eg blacks under the ANC) – what white people got under Apartheid, they worked for – eg you do not create one of the (if not the-) most sophisticated economies ever, by sitting around and letting the ‘wekkas’ do it for you – not in your dreams... Of course Apartheid was a system of inequalities – you will be a blithering idiot (of the same magnitude as an ANC member of parliament) if you try to deny it. But what else do you expect, when the most advanced people of their time, meet those who are at the bottom-end of evolution. Note: before responding to the above, kindly be aware that merely stating the exception cannot invalidate the rule (go figure). I got little more (in school, in Apartheid SA, in the late ‘80’s) than what a typical white family, in a middle-class neighbourhood, got in (eg) the USA, Australia, etc. The entire argument, re the perceived benefits white SAcans received under Apartheid, is simply a product of a convenient (ie one-sided) frame of reference. The National Party government with ALL its faults, took the SAcan economy from the depths of the Great Depression, to one of the best in the world in 15 years post taking power. An inconvenient verity. cont. below..,

      roboman1 - 2011-08-12 15:27

      I am not crippled by shame Bishop, but I also am not averse to a wealth tax, just do not base it on racist grounds, we have had enough race issues in this country, base it on wealth. (As the very name implies.) Let all those who have a nett asset value above a certain amount be taxed 5% once off, why not? Because there are to many poor people in SA, but at the same time, make sure that we know where every cent of tax is going in SA, we are tired of corrupt leases and corrupt tenders and corrupt BEE etc ad nauseum Sir. So by all means. implement a wealth tax, just make sure it gets used to eradicate poverty. There are circa 5 million tax payers in SA, yes you can be sure that more than half are white, they are supporting the balance of the population of circa 50 million, 14 million on welfare, but Sir tax all the wealthy, because we are tired of racism, and stop threatening to take the few farms away that are still owned by whites, and while you about it, take away all racist legislation, it is absurd that the overwhelming majority need legislative protection against such a tiny minority! Are they that inferior? Yes Sir, tax me, but use my taxes honestly, tax me, but allow me unfettered access to the economy, tax me, but stop discriminating against me, that is all I ask

      Spyker May - 2011-08-12 15:30

      More inconveniently though is another verity – it was NOT done (as the propaganda suggest) by paying ‘slave wages’. In SA, indigenous Africans received the best remuneration on the continent (vs their peer group/s). In fact they streamed here in their millions – the purpose of the hostels. 2) If SA did not suffer the “pains” of Apartheid, it would have suffered in ways that is almost unimaginable, when compared to what the NP did. The SAcan economy was painstakingly built over 350 years – irrespective whether you like the way it was done – it is an irrelevant economic consideration. More so, I am willing to bet anyone, unless the ANC makes a dramatic change in the way they govern SA, they will destroy SA in less than 10% of that time – as is/was the case in > 95% of the countries in Africa. In the process, the ANC will demonstrate to the world, white people did not have any other choice but Apartheid. Most white people detested Apartheid (the reason for the outcome of the vote in 1992), BUT THEY DID NOT HAVE A CHOICE. Imagine SA had the ‘1994 elections’ in 1910. By now SA would have been a wasteland like Zimbabwe or *Somalia. Apartheid was as much a product of the post-WW2 globe – ie there was a massive dividing line severing the entire world, completely indiscriminately, as it was the only workable economic model for the entire SA at the time (as verified herein). cont. below..,

      Spyker May - 2011-08-12 15:30

      * A cursory note to add further perspective: The famine (the umpteenth time in the region) in Somalia is cited as a consequence of the drought (sure it contributes). But (eg) Australia suffers under massive droughts as well – yet you do not see basic food being delivered there almost without end, year after year. Las Vegas is in the middle of a desert – you may see UN officials there, but for every other reason but to feed the begging masses. I am not “...crippled by shame and guilt and respond with self-justification or indifference...”. Not even remotely. “...shame and guilt...” – for what..? Being the most advanced of my kind..? In your dreams. For it being unequal..? Not a chance (as said). “...self-justification...” – I had to snigger when I read this. Everybody does it, even Tutu – it is part of our program – it is when it is done without substance... So kindly cross our most northern border, or perhaps visit Cuba, then tell me that there is “self-justification” in SA that is without substance. “...indifference...” – if it did not come from Tutu himself, it would be just another insidious red herring. I am NOT indifferent – I am being legislated out of the SAcan economy..! cont. below..,

      Spyker May - 2011-08-12 15:30

      If you want to bring out the worst in me, accuse me of being indifferent, in SA, in 2011, while I am a white SAcan male. As far as the remark – not even Tutu is perfect (as he admitted himself – citing his remarks re the pilot, in the leading article), so I guess even he is allowed to talk utter rubbish from time to time. I DO however get upset when the “whites benefitted from Apartheid” mantra is used as an excuse to STEAL. Then it immediately becomes the motive to declare the apologists, of the said notion, as MORTAL ENEMIES. Lastly, I have a great deal of respect for Desmond Tutu, mostly because he one of a minority of honest, honourable and principled black people left in SA.

      frangelico - 2011-08-12 15:32

      @czovczov,are you not calling the kettle black hope you do not take offence to (black)are you not doing the exact same thing yourself?You are so rabid you are already foaming at the mouth.As for decent white folk,look around you there are more than the blacks,you do out number us 5-1 maybe more.I have yet to see any of your rich black brethren come to the aid of you blacks in any crisis,I see Indian,Coloured,White. So you my freind are a nonety,nobody a non-threat.I educated my domestics 5 children,she was like a freind,she worked for me for 20 yrs She was briefly gone for 3mths due to her husbands death,I did the same with for her replacement,only her son,her as well did not appreciate my effortshe stole me blind.Anyway some education is better than no education at all.

      FFS - 2011-08-12 15:38

      No system that lasted a few decades can fundamentally change the nature of a society to the extent that they go from being like everyone else, to being barbarians. That is genetic, not political.

      Lestor - 2011-08-12 15:39

      Desmond Tutu benefied from apartheid as did nelson mandela as disd all high powered anc members. They are where they are today because of apartheid. If it never existed there wouldn't have been a liberation struggle and they wouldn't of had anything to fight against. therefore they are in the same boats as Whites. benefited from apartheid.

      Ayoba - 2011-08-12 15:47

      @The Wonderer, Please read the article again. This time with concentration. Especially the part where He calls on Cabinet members to get rid of their expensive cars in solidarity with the poor.

      blake.waldron2 - 2011-08-12 15:50

      @DW While i might not have a direct plan of action to try help, what i am suggesting is simple accountability. While you might have acknowledged your benifiting from apartheid there are many others that dont, that deny they benifited and still benefit today. I agree, holding your hand out and saying you owe me does NOT work. There are two sides, whites are very paranoid about the current political debates. they sit on one side of the fence, many of them in privaledged surroundings critisizing calls for closing the gap between rich and poor. Those who argue and fight for their privaledge would be singing another tune if they were on the other end of the spectrum. I had the unfortunate experience of having to go to Baragwanath hospital to visit someone. Go have a look i ask you. I was angry seeing that anybody should have to be treated in such an environment. Why is it ok that black people have to deal with those surroundings? a switch goes off in your head. its no longer "ah well at least i have medical aid, i dont have to go there". The pain for me is trying to justify why i deserve better than any of those people i saw lying in their beds. @DW once you have read this comment please go back and read again, but keep in mind this time around, not all black people are unsuccessful because they would prefer handouts in the same way not all white people are rich because of apartheid.

      blake.waldron2 - 2011-08-12 16:02

      @daaivarksetier, you refer to the crime of today! Was apartheid not the worst crime this country has ever seen of one against another??????????????

      Ayoba - 2011-08-12 16:02

      @panafricanis, white people never did any wrong. They are perfect. White is a definition for holy. Anything said against whites is always wrong. Didn't you realise that? Tell me a single article where a white person said another white person was wrong on something. None. Should they be caught drunk driving, there is a good reason why.

      African - 2011-08-12 16:19

      Desmond Tutu is not my hero. And what do you mean by "they"?

  • Gallows - 2011-08-12 09:44

    LOL

      daaivarksetier - 2011-08-12 10:16

      The RE-APARTHEID now in the New SA is worse than it was back in the so called apartheid era where whites rule. There was almost no rape cases, no house breaking, no murders, all the streets, parks beaches and holiday destinations was in good clean condition. Johannesburg was CLEAN and there as NO RUBBISH on the side walks. I am not for apartheid I know it was wrong, but just get my point it is not better. Crime is a problem now in SA since 1994, 89 murders per day these days in SA is at such a rate now that SA is considered as one of the most dangerous countries in the WORLD. Parks look like dump sites, all you all drive luxury cars wish tax payers buy for you. Raping small children and woman is a daily thing, 500 000 (half a million) woman and children in SA annually, every 17 seconds a woman or child gets rape, in SA a woman is more likely to get raped than learning to read. And you call this the freedom country the land of milk and Honey. Well excuse me you retard if you call the better land now than back in the day prior 1994 you are IQ robbed and pig mentally ill just like all you all, the whole ANC and followers. Deals like the Gautrain and 2010 Soccer staduims are done so you all can pocket money and buy those cars and houses of yours, again tax money, now there is no more money making schemes, no this National Health Insurance,Toll gate's,Nationalizing of mines,so all of you can pocket money again. You all think we are stupid and blind like all of you,guess again!

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-12 10:16

      @ Kolobe - thumbs up for saying Tutu must move to a shack ;-) welcome back - you have a battle on your hands though, Tigerman has burst onto the scene with more ridiculous trolling comments, he's muscling in on your turf bru... go get him!

      Mad Hatter - 2011-08-12 10:17

      Everyone benefited from Apartheid , some more than others and thats whats happening now in the New SA. I'll accept that whites benefited from Apartheid if you accept that blacks benefit now , Therefore i'll apologise for the past if you apologise for the present. All of which nearly everyone had no control or choice in.

      Taboo - 2011-08-12 10:35

      Well said Mad Hatter.

      inyaniso@24.com - 2011-08-12 10:38

      @daavark... looks like you are stut, ummm, er, stuuutttt, er, mmmm, stutttututut, STUTTERING!

      Bailey G - 2011-08-12 11:41

      Wahahahahahahaha.... Eish...

      masamune - 2011-08-12 11:53

      all you white people need to understand that whats happening in SA now is the after effects of the apartheid era. You sit here and complain that the is too much crime, not looking at the root problem. Why do alot of the lottery winners loose all their money, it's because they not used to having that amount of money. Mentally, they dont have the raw ingredients to hold on to that money and make it multiply. Like my black bradas, they were oppressed, not exposed to alot of things.What do you think is gonna happen when you set someone like that free without proper chanellin, simple chaos. Ripple effect. Stop trying to shift the blame, like saying i accept that apartheid was wrong, BUT crime was less back then.it was since the majority of people were oppressed. it will be to you since you were sitting in your safe neighborhood while people were being shot to death and tortured. it made black people turn on each other so they can be on the good side of the cops. This country is in this state due to apartheid, if you cant see that you just being ignorant. Apartheid gave birth to the type of mentality alot of black people have today

      Neles - 2011-08-12 11:58

      @kolobe - agreed, I have very little time for this hypocrite.

      mfanelo ngoma - 2011-08-12 12:13

      avatar mfanelo ngoma - Just posted Report comment @daaivarksetier: During that era: a lot of people disappeared without a trace, a number of black women were raped by their employers in the farms, farm boys were killed & buried for questioning baas, chiefs & a number of black farmers lost their land & live-stock due to the 1913 Land Act law, my neighbour’s house was bombed to ashes because someone saw him reading a banned book in a public bus (isn’t that house breaking on another level?). I’m not attacking you or hating, I just felt I should tell you about some of the things that happened on the other side of town. It’s not your fault that you didn’t know about such, it’s the system and this is why we hate it so much! However having said that does not justify the soc ills in our society...A luta Continua!!!!!!!!!!

      Stibrecht - 2011-08-12 12:24

      @ Masumane: The real problem is that Apartheid is being used as a scapegoat for people to justify their corrupt and immoral actions. Is humbleness and an appreciation for life not a better response to freedom than corruption, crime and greed?

      masamune - 2011-08-12 14:51

      @ Stibrecht i live in the real world dude. and thats the reason why people will alwayz be complaining in this country, because you dont think. Root problem. You wanna tell me all those people in squatta camps and shkes are corrupt,dont think so. you talking about corruption like the average black south African knows anything about that. I dont think its greed when a person goes out and steals in order to feed himself. Stp living in your dream world

  • Marisa - 2011-08-12 09:46

    It is not Tutu's book that was launched, but a book edited by the eminent theologian and academic, John de Gruchy.

      redrobot - 2011-08-12 10:02

      I still won't use my hard earned money (white money) to buy it.

      daaivarksetier - 2011-08-12 10:16

      The RE-APARTHEID now in the New SA is worse than it was back in the so called apartheid era where whites rule. There was almost no rape cases, no house breaking, no murders, all the streets, parks beaches and holiday destinations was in good clean condition. Johannesburg was CLEAN and there as NO RUBBISH on the side walks. I am not for apartheid I know it was wrong, but just get my point it is not better. Crime is a problem now in SA since 1994, 89 murders per day these days in SA is at such a rate now that SA is considered as one of the most dangerous countries in the WORLD. Parks look like dump sites, all you all drive luxury cars wish tax payers buy for you. Raping small children and woman is a daily thing, 500 000 (half a million) woman and children in SA annually, every 17 seconds a woman or child gets rape, in SA a woman is more likely to get raped than learning to read. And you call this the freedom country the land of milk and Honey. Well excuse me you retard if you call the better land now than back in the day prior 1994 you are IQ robbed and pig mentally ill just like all you all, the whole ANC and followers. Deals like the Gautrain and 2010 Soccer staduims are done so you all can pocket money and buy those cars and houses of yours, again tax money, now there is no more money making schemes, no this National Health Insurance,Toll gate's,Nationalizing of mines,so all of you can pocket money again. You all think we are stupid and blind like all of you,guess again!

      inyaniso@24.com - 2011-08-12 10:36

      I did not know the Reserve had released 'white money'? Anyone else? I'm guessing this is a special thing for people that are emotionally handicapped though...

      inyaniso@24.com - 2011-08-12 10:38

      @daavark... looks like you are stut, ummm, er, stuuutttt, er, mmmm, stutttututut, STUTTERING!

      daaivark - 2011-08-12 10:40

      I have no connection to the person calling him/herself daaivarksetier.

      redrobot - 2011-08-12 11:15

      @inyaniso@24.com- another 80 pointer..........then why are you and your brothers always trying to take white money?, weather it is from the majority taxpayers or by just stealing it the old-fashioned way.

      DW - 2011-08-12 11:25

      Thanks for clearing that up, daaivark. I had wondered.

      Neles - 2011-08-12 12:01

      I have never in my life seen white money. I've forgotten a note or two in jeans thrown in the wash, but I've yet to see white money

      inyaniso@24.com - 2011-08-12 12:07

      @redrobot - I doubt I will purchase this book myself, but the green, brown, pink and blue in my wallet will eventually get spent on the expenses I have, that I have earned in my profession. You put out these blanket statements like all black people have no ability and then wonder why the masses all vote against white dominated parties, forcing our country to be looted by the most uneducated amongst us. You are the opposite side of the same problem this country faces. You are just too justified through circumstance or whatever to open your mind enough to see that our nation is dying while you insist on drawing racial lines! I can only imagine what diatribe you spew at the braai you host, bemoaning the state of our country and this is the type of contribution you make. You are part of a problem that is guaranteed to destroy our country and all your education and 'white money' will not save you if this comes to pass. If I were in your posistion I would be doing everything in my power to foster decent relations with all people of this nation, actively looking to find ways to give a hand up instead of a hand out. This is probably wasted on you...

  • loervijou - 2011-08-12 09:47

    what a true gentleman this is oh and speak so the truth

      Eurocentric - 2011-08-12 13:05

      The black mind has been thoroughly colonized by the white man. Don't get me wrong, I too would like to see the ANC change for the better. To represent the LEFT of the political spectrum. They need to represent the working class masses of this country. They need to realise that justice needs to be done. Don't you believe in justice? I think that the ANC should take a step back, and look at this piece of land we now call South Africa, and consider all that has happened on it. If they do they, they will be able to see EVERYTHING IN CONTEXT. Once they have seen everything in CONTEXT, the right steps can be taken towards racial JUSTICE and EQUITY. What the white people in this day and age keep doing, is pointing to individuals and the ANC government which makes up about 0.00001% of the country and they have been in power for only 17 years. The white people continue to look at the people at the bottom IN ISOLATION, instead of putting everything IN CONTEXT and realise that they are at the bottom because others have oppressed and subjugated them. You also have to look at the FLIP SIDE OF THIS OPPRESSION AND SUBJUGATION. White people have UNJUSTLY BENEFITED WHICH MEANS THAT THEY HAVE to be considered in the equation when talking about racial justice and equality. BOTTOM LINE: WHEN TALKING ABOUT RACIAL JUSTICE AND EQUALITY, ONE HAS TO LOOK AT BOTH SIDES OF THE EQUATION

  • Mikemcc - 2011-08-12 09:48

    So Tutu explain to me how I as a white person benefitted from apartheid when I arrived in SA after it's demise? I actually held this tosser in reasonable regard until he came out with this bollocks.

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-12 09:54

      What are you talking about

      gobsmacked2 - 2011-08-12 10:04

      Sadly, I was liking him a lot too.

      Mikemcc - 2011-08-12 10:15

      Tutu's comment was “Our white fellow citizens have to accept the obvious: You all benefitted from apartheid." In other words if you are white and South African you carry the can even if you in actual fact had no benefit from it whatsoever, this was my point. Generalisations bring no benefit and should certainly not be used by any public figure. So boetman123 he does in actual fact mean me personally, the same as every other white South African - in actual fact any white person regardless of citizenship in SA is tarred with the same brush under our current legislation.

      Sam - 2011-08-12 10:16

      @boetman123 - Lmbao.... tltltltl.... your hilarious...

      ZoeSaldahna - 2011-08-12 10:24

      Tutu is not referring to foreigners.

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-12 11:07

      @ ZoeSaldanha - then Tutu should have said so. It's fine to say his words don't apply to Mikemcc or me. But if a person of colour is in a racist or violent mood and meets us, do you think they'll be courteous enough to ask if we perhaps emigrated here after 1994 before lashing out at us?

      Mikemcc - 2011-08-12 11:27

      @czovczov, a bit of a case of the kettle and the pot don't you think seeing as you too are brave enough to hide behind an alias. No one comment in this thread has been racist so I am not really sure what your issue is. Disagreement by a white person against something a black person has said does not constitute racism just in case you were wondering.

      Neles - 2011-08-12 12:03

      @Matt - you want Mr Tutu to put you to bed at night too and maybe read you a bedtime story?

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-12 12:20

      @ Neles - huh?! Is that an offer you're making on his behalf, or is there a point you're trying to make in there somewhere?

      tryanything - 2011-08-12 12:38

      @ Mikemcc was talking about apartheids demise or SA demise.???

      kustachenko - 2011-08-12 12:39

      Mikemcc, Tutu is not talking about foreigners here. Even if he were talking about foreigners, the mere fact that you are white gives you an advantage over a black person because you are automatically treated with respect, you do not have to endure constant condescending attitudes and strangers constantly suspicious of you. You do not need to prove your legality in this country to the SAPS. You do not get talked down to by clients who are less educated than you simply because you have a "black name". I could go on and on but I won't. You see, honest, legitimate black people come across these things everyday in their lives but most of the time they choose to "grow a pair" and let it go. So Mike, even if you were not born here or only came after 1994 to this country, you are still benefitting from your "whiteness" and that benefit is a result of Apartheid.

      oistar - 2011-08-12 13:39

      @kustachenko: perhaps if the black man was willing to improve his image through action, he would not be given secondary treatment. You can't blame the whites for the black man's shortcomings

      kustachenko - 2011-08-12 15:01

      @oistar, I would imagine that black men are human too. They should therefore enjoy the benefit of being human before they are viewd as bad black man. You can not look at another human negatively even before that person has proven himself worthy of suspicion or otherwise. This is where the black man is at a disadvantage to the white man. Unfortunately these stereotypes come from the white men's traetment of the black men.

  • rkg - 2011-08-12 09:48

    I love this man. What a legend and he speaks true.

      Currie_Mafia - 2011-08-12 10:06

      Agreed.....22

      MaanDonkie - 2011-08-12 10:40

      Not entirely....accros the world the plight of poor blacks are being bemoaned.I started my business in 1996 in the new SA with a nil base. With hard work and dedication I made it work and still continue to do so despite BEE and the fact that I am marginalised. Message to you MR TUTU get blacks to get of their arses and stop the nega mena attitude and to burn tyres everytime they dont get what they want.This theory has been well documented world wide and endorsed by the likes of Bill Cosby and other successful black entrepreneurs.

      WhiteMalema - 2011-08-12 10:49

      Yes, what a legend. Exactly!! This legendary old fart now belongs in an old-age home where he can entertain the senile. The only thing that is upsetting to the whites I know, is the continual hammering on the effect of the long gone Apartheids era, and the fact that 17 years have gone by, but today’s whites are still held accountable for what happened in the history of our country? The only historic thing in this article is Dinosaur Desmond! Wanting to trust a black pilot is like wanting to trust a “rehabilitated” alcoholic train driver. The dormant risk of a complete F-up is always lurking in the background!

      tryanything - 2011-08-12 12:40

      This is a distraction exercise...What are THEY covering up??

  • mzanzirules - 2011-08-12 09:49

    I love Desmond Tutu, He seeks no favour with anyone a true South African, Yes Sir you are correct the past has made all of us less than we can be! I urge my fellow South Africans to hear this man out listen to him and act on what he says! Only us as South Africans of all colour can make a difference to our lives by become the nation we are meant to be! The greatest nation of them all!

      JadedKnight - 2011-08-12 09:58

      Amen! only when all South Africans stand together as ONE Nation, ONE voice, regardless of race, can we truly be free.

      Teemachine - 2011-08-12 10:08

      That sentimental song has been playing for years. I'm afraid it's not going to happen.

      carlaconvey - 2011-08-12 10:15

      Mzanzirules- I agree with you. Desmond Tutu has simply forced us to look within for answers. Both black and white an benefit from the wisdom of this great man! He is and never has been afraid to challenge us and our thinking!

      Sam - 2011-08-12 10:17

      God bless SA

      sonet.vd.westhuizen - 2011-08-12 10:54

      @Mzanzirules.. I agree, it is about TIME that this ridiculous "PAST"..APARTHEID and who is blaming who STOPS!!.. Our Nation of ALL colours should stand together build towards a BETTER SA and DEMAND that "POVERTY" and "UNEMPLOYMENT" be addressed!! BILLIONS of rands are wasted on unnecessary projects. OTHER countries are given money.. OUR hard earned taxes!!, but our own nation is starving on our DOORSTEP!!Some going DAYS without anything to eat!!! Corruption is in order of the day!! It seems NO one CARES..as long as THEIR stomachs and back pockets are full!! Our (SA)Children are SUFFERING!!, (ALL colours) and we the adults are in a race war and TOO blind to even NOTICE! SAD so VERY sad!!!

      Misan Thrope - 2011-08-12 11:43

      We said Mzanzirules. I'm shocked at some of the insults levelled at Desmond Tutu in response to the article. What he said is hardly news. I do think, however, the way it has been reported it misguided to say the least. The writer attempts to create controversy out of wholly benign statement ... and apparently has succeeded at doing that. What Desmond Tutu said is not controversial ... and I fail to see how it could be construed as such.

      Misan Thrope - 2011-08-12 11:52

      Actually ... just wish my fellow white citizens would get a clue, get a grip and get over themselves. We benefited from apartheid ... suck it up. One needs only spend a few minutes on this site to see how effective the apartheid government's propaganda machine was and how susceptible people are to being manipulated by it.

      WhiteMalema - 2011-08-12 11:59

      @ JadedKnight. DREAM ON!!!

      greatgodpan - 2011-08-12 12:31

      once you become south african and not black white indian green will thsi country work....a new vision is required....we have problems the vision should be fix the problems,,,,,,,,,so apartheid spilled the milk on the floor....big deal,deal with it claen the floor and get on with making some cheese so south africa as a whole can prosper..........why cant black men and white men make cheese together or independantly in the same country?

  • willieman - 2011-08-12 09:51

    I agree with Arch,ANC is fuelling the whole polirisation of our country,they need to get out and face reality.I believe the majority of SA get along well dispite our problems,BUT the gap needs to narrowed.Corruption needs to be STOPPED to narrow this gap

  • Temp - 2011-08-12 09:51

    Yes, it does make sense that White descendants would benefit from the country they constructed. You've got to love this one: "That was how badly eroded my self-image had become. When you hate yourself, you project that onto others who look like you. You then sit with black-on-black violence." Read as: Whites are responsible for black on black crime. More anti-White garbage from the controlled media.

      AkinO - 2011-08-12 09:55

      Yes, it does make sense that White descendants would benefit from the country they constructed. Yes it does make sense, but it doesn't make sense that the natives did the hard labour and were still denied equal access to their country for decades.

      InternetMan - 2011-08-12 09:56

      Yes but the whites could only construct such a country through separate development and thus it is evil and we should all hate ourselves.

      InternetMan - 2011-08-12 09:56

      It makes perfect sense.

      czovczov - 2011-08-12 11:14

      Deep down I would like to believe that there are some descent white folks who believe in the spirit of ubuntu and have the interest of South Africa at heart.So I pay no attention to these rabid racists who day in, day out, cowardly and anonymously spew their prejudice beliefs behind aliases on this site. As long as you have to log online to air your sick views than to be a man and take a stand and say it publicly, you remain a nonentity, a non-threat, a cypher, a nobody.

      DW - 2011-08-12 11:32

      AkinO - you are no longer denied equal access. Now stop whining and go and make it happen for yourself.

      Temp - 2011-08-12 11:43

      Take note of the comments above, brethren. Stepping out of line and attempting to speak out against anti-White commentary is 'racism'. Defending your right to freedom and declaring your pride in your own is 'racist'. I am a heretic according to the anti-White posters here for not selling out my own and hating myself. Don't allow this savagery and the lies the media propagates to deceive or dishearten you; stand up for yourself and be proud.

      ohsa.online - 2011-08-12 14:43

      @Akino: what natives in the Western Cape? If we would like to talk native, when did the Xhosa and the Zulu reach the Western Cape? When did the Niggerians, the Algolans, the Zimbabweans get to the WC? Let us not even talk about the Somalians, please. So, if you talk NATIVE please specify. I am interested in your non-factual response before I shoot all your theories out of the water for the rubbish it is.

  • Johnny - 2011-08-12 09:51

    in 18 years of democracy, no one has benifitted more that the upper echelons of the ANC, everyone else has taken a big knock in social upliftment, TUTU at your next speech address that and then tell the poor why the go to bed hungry instead of placing the blame on the shoulders of whites, who by the way have taken the back seat for 18 years to make way for a generation of ungrateful misfits

      Ozymandios - 2011-08-12 11:12

      Tutu Runs with the Hare and hunts with the Hounds in this article. He wants to be seen as 'Johnny-Good-Shoes' by both sides, for criticing both whites and blacks all at the same time, and then wants to be all pious about his so-called Godly nature. Maybe he should go and get his main text book out, dust it off, and go and read the Parabel of the Talents again. Nowhere in that text book does God condemn any man or woman for making use of their talents and getting the just rewards for their efforts and using them to their benefit. That's why we all have talents. Some go out and make it happen and the losers in life sit and bemoan their lot. Use it or lose it. And Africa is possibly the one continent that had the most going for it re potential to be a world leader in just about everything, and its total basket case. If I use what was a God-give talent and make good from it as long as it is honest, and the peasants sit idle demanding reward for doing nothing, then they must stay where they are and I have every right to buy a fancy car,live in a better hosue, buy better goods for myself,leave a legacy to my children, create a better environment around me and choose who the hell I want to mix with. Thats my right. And if you get stomped on in the process then who's problem is that? Mine? Life's a big boxing ring and Tutu you are not the only one throwing punches in that ring. In your case you are trying to be the boxer, ref, judge and be the winner all at the same time.

  • Michelle - 2011-08-12 09:51

    Yep, and all blacks are benefitting from this democracy!!

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-12 09:55

      Rubbish, do you even read the news sies

      Sammy - 2011-08-12 10:07

      I would say that all blacks WHO'S got the right connections in the ANC benefits... there's alot of porverty around nowadays... probably more than ever before?

  • Devvi - 2011-08-12 09:51

    I do not deny that the white population did benefit from apartheid, but I cannot see how the higher powers today enriching themselves at the expense of both race groups can be justified. I do not condone apartheid, but I will not apologise for it, I was not yet born to be able to offend anybody. Your Grace, Emeritus Desmond Tutu, I agree that mutual respect between South Africans can be fostered, but while brainless mouth-pieces like Malema are spewing their racist rhetoric, I fear the road will be long and hard.

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-12 09:56

      We shouldn't fear hardship, we should jump at the opportunity to gain strength

      Devvi - 2011-08-12 12:36

      Well said, Daemos1

  • Bellakanoose - 2011-08-12 09:52

    Des... how did I benefit from apartheid? Used to like you, now I think you're a tutu!

  • mike - 2011-08-12 09:52

    Tutu (hypocrite) benefited from apartheid more than I did - what he doesnt realise is that in any other country I would have done just as well if not better than living here - 'racked by shame and guilt' - what a load of bollocks. I'm sure his children are doing pretty well - hypocrite

      willieman - 2011-08-12 10:18

      Why don't you leave,obviously you do not know the history of this country niether Tutu's history

      mba - 2011-08-12 10:54

      @willieman, I would love to leave. Unfortunately after 18 years of being the currently disadvantaged I have no hope in hell of being able to afford to do so. Plus, do all people who think the country is a stuff up now have to emigrate?

      mike - 2011-08-12 11:07

      willieman - I am getting ready to leave as I am buggered if I am 'helping' out anymore but I will 'get' out of this country what I want first (ie: I work for a living and pay taxes so that 'your' leaders can cream it while their 'subjects' ie you are living in poverty). I know more about the history of this country than you ever will , since judging from your comments you are one of those that did not benefit from an education. As for leaving this country - why dont you leave and go back up North, I am sure that you will prosper very well there

      willieman - 2011-08-12 11:52

      @ Mike would you care to tell us how Tutu benefited from apartheid more than you.Surely you do not run away from problems you try to solve them.I understand your anger i'm angry too(@MBA)but we need to find and critizes the ruling party.I do not belong to vuvuzela politics gang/followers.Why should i leave and go north,where in the north.in any case i do not believe that you know the history of this country more than me.We need to refrain from attacking one another.debating about the issue on the table is the way to go.Tutu said" YOU DO NOT HAVE TO RAISE YOUR VOICE,IMPROVE YOUR ARGUMENT.I thank you Mike

      greatgodpan - 2011-08-12 12:41

      ill never be racked by shame and guilt...ive never misused anyone......im proud of who i am and shall never be ashamed of myself............................

  • kc89 - 2011-08-12 09:53

    Wonder how much money he has and what car he drives.

      Marcus - 2011-08-12 10:19

      Tutu does not have a car, he steers the world into the direction he wants to go... huh?

  • Daemos1 - 2011-08-12 09:53

    Tutu at least isn't afraid to speak his mind, he makes good points

      Georgie Porgie - 2011-08-12 10:17

      the only point the toot makes is called rhetorical drivel.

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-12 11:24

      You decided that for yourself without giving what he said a chance. enjoy the bitterness that is your life

      Stibrecht - 2011-08-12 12:44

      "Good points?" This "good point" is nothing new my friend, its the same s*it going on and on and on and on and it leads to nothing but more seperation and hate......

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-12 13:19

      No Stibrecht, that's your perception, you choose to only see the same s*it instead of seeing that there are positives out there. The doom you live in is of your own creation, things are messed up all over the world.

  • Pickle - 2011-08-12 09:55

    As much as i respect Desmond tutu and i do hear what he is saying.. I am white, i drive an old car that is probably worth 15k at best. I do not own a house, and i earn less than the gardener at the local police station and i get no benefits. So explain to me exactly HOW i benefited from apartheid?

      ANDREW - 2011-08-12 10:11

      AND THE LOCAL GARDENER AT THE POLICE STATION IS NORMALLY A CRIMINAL ON PROBATION,HA HA! YES HE MOST LIKELY DOES GET PAID MORE,THATS SAD,JUST SHOW HOW EVEN A CRIMINAL BENIFIT EVEN AFTER ALL THE WRONG HE/SHE HAS CREATED!

      Robbie - 2011-08-12 10:12

      Well said Pickle

      Marcus - 2011-08-12 10:13

      hmmm... sounds like your in a pickle, again. Hope it does not make you sour.

      nn.prv - 2011-08-12 10:16

      He said "Yet so many of my fellow white citizens become upset when you mention this" I guess that settles it.

      inyaniso@24.com - 2011-08-12 10:47

      Pickle, he is suggesting you had the opportunity that no underpriviledged child had, that being a superior education. Whether you used this to take yourself forward in life was your own responsibility. That you are at your station in life is largely your own business and what you have become are directly affected by the choices you have made. This is not so for many of the masses who went through bantu education adn were immediately on the back foot from a lesser quality of education and inherent knowledge that ha dattempted to prepare them for a business worl that almost entirely operates in none of their first languages. A little humility will go a long way. Just some understanding could be the start of the process to bring us back together as a human race. Consider that please.

      Neles - 2011-08-12 10:55

      Zoe Saldana is hot.

      Vee Faith - 2011-08-12 11:03

      then get a job as a garderner...problem solved

      Pickle - 2011-08-12 11:14

      @inyaniso do you think tertiary education or any education was free during apartheid.. and besides I was a little kid when apartheid ended. I was not part of that regime and was brought up to have respect for my fellow humans, no matter what their color is, otherwise i would get a vet klap. And fyi go check out the govt website for job vacancies and you will see what a gardener earns. http://www.capegateway.gov.za/eng/jobs/ All i am saying is i as an individual worked and continues to work bloody hard to have what little i have, and it offends me that there are people out there generalizing that all white people are driving around with fancy cars and can afford to live in luxury when there are so many of us that are barely making ends meat. and yes i do have internet access, it's part of my job.

      umlaut - 2011-08-12 11:21

      @---inyaniso@24.com__)) Tell us more about bantu education-exactly how was it presented-contents-teachers-the language-and problems?

      Navyseal - 2011-08-12 11:23

      Pickle you must be the one that was dealt the joker in the pack.

      iamasouthafr - 2011-08-12 11:28

      @inyaniso@24.com, beautifully put and I agree. However, I for one understand and have compassion and willing to help anyway I can, but I still get reminded about apartheid and get bullied by ANC and ANCYL leadership that makes you not feel very welcome no matter what good you do for all.

      inyaniso@24.com - 2011-08-12 12:20

      The problem we have is that the ruling party is constantly dividing and conquering us. What is the ANC to me? Lead by surprisingly enough a group of uneducated loud mouths who have as much understanding of the inner workings of a toilet as they do of good fiscal governance! The first mention of anything that can be taken in a racial manner and everyone is trying to beat the next commentator up. Our nation is it a crossroads. A very real and trying time. We are either going to come together to get rid of this dictator in waiting mentality by putting aside all of these issues that cloud everyones judgement and show some humility towards one another or we will get swallowed up in this groundswell of racial hate that only has one outcome, that clearly the majority of us do not want or have fought for. Time to put extreme views in their place and strive for some grace! @umlaut, safer to say it was non existant!

      dgee - 2011-08-12 12:28

      Just shows you how ignorant people are. There are MANY white South Africans who attended poor farm schools with parents couldnt send them to varsity (in fact who had to leave school to start earning money at 16) who are driving old cars, who dont own houses and who earn minimum wages. They cant complain because its either be grateful and do the job or lose it. Internet is available to everyone nowadays even our company tea lady (who gets paid and with more benefits than my husband does in his job). We have never owned a new car or even one that has been worth more than 20k. Many of the black people I work with had a superior education to many of us whites who grew up in poor communities so dont generalise. I just wish we'd all get over the who did what in apartheid and concentrate on who is doing or not doing what in the NOW.

      Neles - 2011-08-12 12:45

      lol, oh come on, she is. you must be jealous.

      Pickle - 2011-08-12 13:24

      @Navyseal yes i was, and im grateful for it because these days it's hard to find a job. I would rather make a honest days living, even if it is for very little than have nothing at all waiting for the next had out.

      Maddy-CT - 2011-08-12 14:11

      @ inyaniso@24.com What you say is so true and makes such sense. I cannot fathom the mindset of anyone who gives you a thumbsdown.

      umlaut - 2011-08-12 14:13

      inyaniso@24.com-It sounds like you experienced bantu ed. 1st hand or you know what it was, but it will be interesting to know if you went through that or not. If you did then it shows that it doesn't matter what your background is, if you aspire to higher standards you can achieve it. And if you didn't go through bantu ed. but elsewhere, would it change the way you think?. What I am saying is you are a cut above the rest where ever you had your training. Development has also to do with your soul and desire to know more and to be a plus in life. Those students that made it from 'the back foot' probably ended up far better than those that had it better, because they had to work harder. I am also thinking of Pr. Jonathen Jansen and his life story. If you have a good teacher that inspires you in life, and that teacher goes away, then will you lose your drive-no.. it is in you -you didn't need that teacher at all--you don't need fancy classrooms-it just makes it easier yes. I think the problem was the differentiation and the treating of other people as 2nd grade humans (in the same country) that must have hurt a lot and for that I am sorry that one race can do that to another. Your achievement in life must not be based on how hard you can push other people down to uplift yourself, but how hard you can push to uplift every body around you together with yourself. If we can only get rid of these corrupt elements and corrupt traffic cops victimising us we can tackle the future.

      ohsa.online - 2011-08-12 15:06

      @inyaniso@24.com – strange. (Pickle, he is suggesting you had the opportunity that no underpriviledged child had) How do you know that he was not underprivileged? You don't. You assumed. (That you are at your station in life is largely your own business and what you have become are directly affected by the choices you have made) Oh, just because you said so? What a load of rubbish. (This is not so for many of the masses who went through bantu education) Bantu education? The standard of education was better than what is on offer today at any school in the Eastern Cape, run by the cANCer. (were immediately on the back foot from a lesser quality of education) Any education is better than none and the biggest stumbling block the blacks have is that they accepted the LIES the cANCer told them regarding LIBERATION BEFORE EDUCATION. Their children went to schools outside of the country while they led you lot like sheep to the slaughter. When their children came back they were EDUCATED and you were qualified to be the garden boy. Tough. Deal with it.

      ohsa.online - 2011-08-12 15:07

      @inyaniso@24.com What you need to consider is that South Africa of old was a better place for all. Even the black folk are saying this but they are still stuck in the same mindset that the Afrikaners were, when they said 'no need to become politically educated as my oupa and my opagrootjie all voted Nat and so must I.' The black folk majority now say"the cANCer has said we must vote for them or the whites will bring back apardheid." and they believe this and vote for the cANCer again. Then they riot because the incompetent cancer cannot deliver. Very strange indeed.

  • Tired - 2011-08-12 09:55

    This might sound amazing...but even in apartheid people had to work for what they have. Look at Laduim the Indian neighbourhood outside Pretoria. Those people didn't do to bad in Apartheid? They excelled under difficult circumstance. Now you work hard for something and suddenly you need to feel like a thief? The day the Black people stop having inferior complex and get out and work for something everything will be better. Apartheid was wrong in many ways. THE BIGGEST wrong was creating a handout culture under the black people..now they don't want to work the just want!! We fix that mentality it will be better already.I know there's much other things but this is a single point.

      DW - 2011-08-12 11:45

      Whites benefitted - they got a better education. But Tired you are right. 150 years ago the Indians came here AS SLAVES. They were subjected to every single one of the abuses of apartheid, but look at them now. They do not lie down and feel sorry for themselves. They work their backsides off. Education is the most important thing for them and their parents insist on the best results. Go to any one of the previous Model C schools in the Durban area - the TOP students are Indian - even up against the "priveleged" whites. It all comes down to attitude. Yes you had a lousy history, but that is history. MAKE YOUR OWN FUTURE, for goodness sake. Stop feeling sorry for yourselves. You have NO excuse any more. The past is gone. Now move on. Every opportunity is now open to you. Just look at the Mandelas and Mbekhis of this world. They were ALSO subjected to apartheid abuse and they went on to become hugely successful. You now live in an era when you have it all offered to you, together with BEE and AA, and you still sit here and bitch about how hard it is. Get over it. Life is not easy. What makes you think that it should be? I have NO MORE SYMPATHY for you "poor, hard-done-by blacks". Either make what is available work for you or shut up and feel sorry for yourself. But stop asking me and others to feel sorry for you. Because we are all guilt tripped out!

  • robinhood - 2011-08-12 09:55

    A man of the clergy should be looking to God for safety not man, black or white, shows the make-up of the man ....all mouth

      redrobot - 2011-08-12 10:32

      YIP, he is still way too caught up in the so called struggle, and the really sad part is that today the "struggle" is so much worse than then, just look at the deaths wrt crime malnutrition etc as opposed to the deaths in the App. era.

      rantoftheday - 2011-08-12 10:36

      So it was up to God to stop the plane from falling out the sky? Wasn't he maybe busy helping those people in Somalia? Oh wait, never mind.

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-12 11:25

      Sometimes god doesn't answer the phone

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-12 13:19

      Or Facebook messages

      Marcell - 2011-08-12 15:51

      God is not a band-aid.

  • 2WhiteStars - 2011-08-12 09:56

    And? What exactly should I do about it now? I pay taxes. I don't do crime. I work hard. What more do you want from us White people? Of course Apartheid benefitted Whites - but then I don't recall getting free stuff from the government. Those "good government schools" weren't free - and we didn't burn down the classrooms either.

      watalife - 2011-08-12 12:23

      Says this dork Tutu who has lived all his life in luxury in a wonderfull white area in Cape Town Bischops Court and yes he did not pay tax the white man did. F*ck him after all the white man did for him. Just another AGENT like Malema

      CalliDeWal - 2011-08-12 13:35

      Exactly..Every little thing is blamed on apartheid. They should stop complaining, wanting everything for free and start working for it! Why is it that the Indian communities are wealthy? Because they not hung up on apartheid, they do things for themselves.

      Davina - 2011-08-12 14:28

      Could not have said it better myself.

      bytejuggler - 2011-08-12 15:02

      @2WhiteStars Agreed. I grew up in the middle of the eastern cape, both my parents worked at black educational institutions, my dad at Fort Hare university, my mom at the Cape College of education and occassionally at another black school in the area. There was nothing wrong with Fort Hare, indeed one of my friends from school eventually went and did his tertiary education there (note this is like early 90's) and neither was there anything wrong with the CCoE. But, I remember during the 80s all the problems and disruption caused by students or pupils boicotting and burning their schools, the student-on-student intimidation at times on the Fort Hare campus where the students who just wanted to study was sometimes physically assaulted by others who wanted to disrupt things etc. So, this whole educational argument to me is a bit bogus, differences in funding at the time notwithstanding. Anyway we collectively and each person individually really need to stop the blame game and ask ourselves every day how do we move forward from here, and then choose to followup with action. Blaming is not going to move this country forward. Hard work and personal commitment will.

  • Anneck - 2011-08-12 09:56

    Typical ANC! Hide behind Apartheid as an excuse for all YOUR wrong doings!

      Maddy-CT - 2011-08-12 14:14

      @ Anneck. I have heard Archbishop Tutu criticize the ANC for their wrong doings as well...

  • panafricanis - 2011-08-12 09:56

    You guys are a joke when Desmond Tutu criticizes the ANC and zuma he becomes a hero and then when we criticizes whites suddenly he is an enemy, that’s why in the new south Africa your voices are never taken seriously anymore….you have the biggest chips in the world and self righteous attitudes….Tell it like it is Desmond Tutu.....

      Tolerant - 2011-08-12 10:30

      It is true, but he did not say that we must feel so sorry that we must hand over our wealth / land / mines / banks to the poor ANC cadres. It is only a pipe dream of the YL.

      Doug - 2011-08-12 12:17

      I'm with you on this one panafricanis. Tutu is a model of impartiality and speaks out on all issues and against all groups (very often against ANC corruption). He is trying in a very reasonable way to address all sides of the issue but gets bashed by one-eyed racists on both sides of the fence.

  • Morne - 2011-08-12 09:56

    .....how many times are they still gonna blame the whites???? That is the easy way to win a debate.....why not think of something constructive rather than blame for the rest of your life!!!

      Lab-Rat - 2011-08-12 10:09

      As long as they keep failing they'll keep blaming so be prepared for a lot more blame to come our way.

  • Jack Rabbeet - 2011-08-12 09:57

    Yes desmond, but look around you..... All the stuff the Apartheid Government created. Wellllll...... whats left of it after the ANC took over!

      jaWat - 2011-08-12 10:17

      Hey Jack, seems they deleted the IQ statement of mine. The average is even lower than the fig of 80. It is in fact 72. No wonder they get a symbol GG for Woodwork. Shame, shame, shame....imbeciles.

      Lab-Rat - 2011-08-12 10:38

      They deleted mine to. The truth hurts, I guess.

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-12 11:25

      @ Jack white folks?

  • piempies - 2011-08-12 09:57

    so mr. clever how did i as a white mail who was born in the old and was 16 YEARS OLD WHEN APARTHEID STOPED ,HOW CAN I WHO GET OVERLOOKED FOR JOBS, PROMOTIONS ,ETC.BECAOUSE IM WHITE ,HOW MR ,CLEVER DO I BENIFIT FROM APARTHYD.

      Sbongile - 2011-08-12 10:11

      @pimpies, you 1st need to work on your spelling........mhhh, maybe that's why you were overlooked.

      LiciousDee - 2011-08-12 10:14

      Maybe start by spelling correctly so you won't be overlooked for jobs hmmm?

      Vee Faith - 2011-08-12 11:06

      because your english is bad thats why...male not mail etc, probably didn't understand your CV

  • crackerr - 2011-08-12 09:57

    One should always seriously consider what Desmond Tutu says. He is HUGE.

      jacques14@24.com - 2011-08-12 10:18

      you should know.....dont forget the lube next time....

      Neles - 2011-08-12 12:16

      haha

  • Tolerant - 2011-08-12 09:57

    Some of us are tired of saying sorry, but this will probably be expected from us for the next 350 years. We are also sorry that so few of us does not pay any taxes. Will the black youth say sorry that only 50% work?

      Sbongile - 2011-08-12 10:13

      @Tolerant........if you're not sincere, why even bother? If you're really sorry, share your wealth with the less fortunate. Buy a pair of school shoes for a needy child. That's the best way to show remorse.

      Tolerant - 2011-08-12 10:18

      Sbongile. People don't become more fortunate by receiving, but by being shown a way to prosper. In other words rather teach them to fish than give them a fish.

      mike - 2011-08-12 11:14

      sbongile - typical african response - don't work, just expect handouts from the whities

      greatgodpan - 2011-08-12 12:54

      yeah right sibongile..then youll blame me for the other 15 million who dont have shoes...come and have my house please...ill move into the veld this weekend...sorry about the smell though but you have my sewer so i cant help it....i never really liked my house in anycase...its too small only two bedrooms.......ok?

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-12 13:20

      No one's asking for an apology

  • pitchblack - 2011-08-12 09:57

    I have to agree with you old man Tutu...as long as whites refuse to accept this...we will never be one in this country.

      Robbie - 2011-08-12 10:14

      Pitchblack go back to the bush

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-12 11:26

      @Robbie Go back to whatever inbreeding nation your ancestors come from

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-12 13:20

      LOL @ Verm If you don't like blacks, you're in the wrong country

  • Mabilel - 2011-08-12 09:58

    Yes, I did benefit under Apartheid...... I could leave my door unlocked, my windows open. My car was safe in the street. My children could go for long walks in the park or walk home from school. We never experienced burglaries or attacks. Snce 1994 my family has had to endure hijackings, armed robberies, numerous burglaries, attemted murder............. Why is it that other race groups, even under Apartheid rule, managed to better themselves?

      Vee Faith - 2011-08-12 11:08

      if white people didnt oppress black people you wouldnt have to worry about such because we would all be living comfortable life instead of black living in poverty

      mike - 2011-08-12 11:15

      @vee faith - yeah, just like the rest of africa

      greatgodpan - 2011-08-12 13:05

      daemos........yes we get it ......we got it before 94 when there was a referendum......now stop trying to throw it in our faces.......two men in a fight outside a pub .....one says sorry but the other wont stop and pushes and pushes and pushes and pushes .......that is called provoking a fight.........

  • Fredster69 - 2011-08-12 09:58

    I am white, yes. Not my fault. I did not have the pleasure to go varsity, yet I worked my ass off for what I have today, took my own money and studied (no bursary) and got my qualifications. I earn a good salary and drive a normal car, eat normal food and live a normal life. What the F* do you want me to do?

      InternetMan - 2011-08-12 10:16

      They dont give a sh*t about what you've done. They are blinded by racism so no use debating.

      Sbongile - 2011-08-12 10:20

      @Fredster69, no one said it was your fault. Tutu is not fighting again race, but a system which benefited only one race and still continues to do so. Oh there's a lot to be done, you can start by sharing your normal food with someone needy (black or white).

      Johnny - 2011-08-12 10:29

      ditto

      jjhvan - 2011-08-12 10:32

      How did the SYSTEM benefited one race? That race you refer to had the initiative and drive to build a country from scratch to what it was in 1994. Nothing prevented the other race to do the same with their own initiative. Yet they didn't do that. Because the whites did not give them more handouts than they did? After the war in 1902, whites had to start again with nothing. Yes, they reserved certain jobs for whites, but these were not fancy office jobs. Most had to go and work on the roads, railways and built dams. They WORKED for their money, which was not a lot. Never did the old govt gave handouts like social grant, etc. You never saw fancy cars for every second govt official. It is time that blacks accept their own failure to fend for themselves. Stop looking at the white man to provide.

      Johnny - 2011-08-12 10:34

      @sibongile, dude, if i give more i wont have any for my own family

      Felix - 2011-08-12 10:41

      Sbongile, you should read some Adam Smith.

      mike - 2011-08-12 11:17

      sbongile - yeah, go begging to the whities instead of working

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-12 11:28

      Wow, everyone's illiterate today, Tutu just wants you to ACCEPT that's it. and take some adult literacy classes

  • Baas-Julius - 2011-08-12 09:58

    "I have given my life to try to alleviate the sufferings of Africa. There is something that all White men who have lived here like I must learn and know: that these individuals are a sub-race. They have neither the intellectual, mental or emotional abilities to equate or to share equally with White men in any function of our civilization. I have given my life to try to bring them the advantages which our civilization must offer, but I have become well aware that we must retain this status: the superior and they the inferior. For whenever a white man seeks to live among them as their equals they will either destroy him or devour him. And they will destroy all of his work. Let White men from anywhere in the world, who come to Africa remember that you must continually retain that status: you the master and they the inferior like children that you help or teach. Never fraternise with them as equals. Never accept them as your social equals or they will devour you. They will destroy you." - Albert Schweitzer

      oldpilot - 2011-08-12 15:38

      Education, sir, is the development of that which is. Since the dawn of history the Negro has owned the continent of Africa – rich beyond the dream of poet’s fancy, crunching acres of diamonds beneath his bare black feet. Yet he never picked one up from the dust until a White man showed to him its glittering light. His land swarmed with powerful and docile animals, yet he never dreamed a harness, cart, or sled. A hunter by necessity, he never made an axe, spear, or arrowhead worth preserving beyond the moment of its use. He lived as an ox, content to graze for an hour. In a land of stone and timber he never sawed a foot of lumber, carved a block, or built a house save of broken sticks and mud. With league on league of ocean strand and miles of inland seas, for four thousand years he watched their surface ripple under the wind, heard the thunder of the surf on his beach, the howl of the storm over his head, gazed on the dim blue horizon calling him to worlds that lie beyond, and yet he never dreamed a sail!

  • JMan - 2011-08-12 09:59

    I see no problem with Tutu's statement. The truth sucks sometimes, but its fair in my opinion. But "harsh words "..? News24...please.

  • Nawe - 2011-08-12 09:59

    White people like acting like they worked for what trhey have when the system fed them their wealth. Famalies like the Rupert,opperhimers & even Kok brother and Cristo visser would not have accumulated as they did had it not bn of Apartheid.

      JMan - 2011-08-12 10:01

      You mean like Juju is doing now? Oh, ok.

      Lab-Rat - 2011-08-12 10:12

      aaahhh poor little nawe is upset because she'll never be white. Shame. Why not just be happy being yourself, now theres a thought. Use it, don't use it...

      greatgodpan - 2011-08-12 13:09

      so we white people are all on the same level as the ruperts and the oppenhiemers?.............i must be having a nightmare then....ok never mind ill wake up in my mansion soon............

  • Lab-Rat - 2011-08-12 10:00

    More criticism for being the stronger race. How very typical. Are you guys ever going to deal with your cultural inferiority complex?

      Marcell - 2011-08-12 16:03

      They need to realise it before they can deal with it.

  • Colin - 2011-08-12 10:01

    Yeah, I was fortunate to get an education. In the sprit of ubuntu I will remove half my brain and behave like a gibbon

      InternetMan - 2011-08-12 10:14

      Well done sir. This is what is expected of you. I have removed one of my testicles in the spirit of ubuntu.

      Sbongile - 2011-08-12 10:23

      @colinwporter: and how will that benefit anyone? Adopt a child, buy school uniform for a needy child, pay for someone's school fees.......that'll help a great deal.

      Lab-Rat - 2011-08-12 10:39

      LOL, good 1!

      jjhvan - 2011-08-12 10:39

      Sbongile, why don't you ask the fathers of these children to do that? It is a well known fact that black men don't provide for their children. They run off and rather spend their money on bling and their time complaining about what whites have.

      THE.SRG - 2011-08-12 11:08

      Sbongile...i payed for my garden workers school fees,till the police caught him with things he had stolen from my house,im done trying to help when they just bite the hand that feeds them

      Vee Faith - 2011-08-12 11:12

      jjhvan do you have a black father...cos if not shut up because you dont know what ypu are talking about...i am who i am today because of my father and the other male role models in my life

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-12 13:42

      @ SRG I got ripped off by m,y white business partner, but I don't judge all white people by his actions. Grow up

      Marcell - 2011-08-12 16:05

      @jjhvan. They can't look after their children as they have one in every town.

  • Makhutha Cibulele - 2011-08-12 10:01

    Very few of them will have guts to admit benefiting from their forefathers ruling system, yet they know they did benefit...suckers...

      InternetMan - 2011-08-12 10:12

      Lol. You're the sucker.

      fraidycat - 2011-08-12 10:57

      Ok we benefitted - now what? I pay 45% tax om my salary, paye, 14% vat on everything I buy, soon tolls and the NHI. So who benefits now? Get out of that cultural inferiority excuse and start benefitting from the freedoms you still have until the country change to fullblown communism...

      Janine - 2011-08-12 11:31

      @Lab rat - do some more research - the difference in IQ between races has been discredited.

      Neles - 2011-08-12 12:18

      @Janine - if Lab-Mouse had a higher IQ, he would've known that

      greatgodpan - 2011-08-12 13:13

      my forefathers were the richest nation on earth before they even knew south africa existed......................

  • The_Lil_Wizard - 2011-08-12 10:01

    Yes, we may have gone to better schools, but how is it my fault that the schools in the townships are burn't down? That the teachers don't go to work or leave early? That the kids bunk school, take alcohol to school, or take weapons to school? How is it my fault that I went to a school where my teacher and parents cared more about my education than his or her pay cheque! I do agree that white people had a head start, but it is the current government that is growing that divide, NOT apartheid!

      Sbongile - 2011-08-12 10:26

      @The_Lil_Wizard: can I suggest to you that you visit the Hector Pieterson Museum in Orlando, then you'll understand why schools were burnt? I'm willing to take you there myself, if you're too scared to drive in Soweto (I have to tell you though, there are a lot of tourists that visit the place, so you will definately be safe) Let me know.

      PrinceCharle - 2011-08-12 10:43

      @Sbongile, the big problem is its still happening today - no teachers or pupils at school, burning down, weapons, alcohol, teenage pregnancy, violence. How are these kids ever going to be able to compete economically?

      JMsays - 2011-08-12 10:46

      what about the schools that were burned after apartheid?

      The_Lil_Wizard - 2011-08-12 11:14

      @Sbongile, I'm not talking about the schools during Apartheid! I'm talking about last week, last month, last year! I've actually been to the Hector Pieterson Museum in Orlando, I've also done community work in Soweto, Alexandra, Diepsloot and Atteridgeville! What have you done? I would be happy to take you there to help...

  • The Third Wors - 2011-08-12 10:01

    I was in primary school when Madiba was released from prison. i have to work twice as hard to get somewhere and have to pay through my backside for tax that I get nothing for. Yes, loving the benefit.

      IC1 - 2011-08-12 11:18

      I am with you on that 1

  • Edynot - 2011-08-12 10:02

    Could anyone tell me, I have this thing growing out of my ass, like a growth, im scared to have it removed though but it is pretty bothersome. Any advice? Above is about as relevant to this article as Tutu is to SA...

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-12 11:05

      Anusol cream. Juju will be happy to administer it.

  • flange - 2011-08-12 10:02

    Archbishop, you are probably the most sane and loving man alive. You are a beacon of strength and hope for this beautiful suffering country. Big up to you my Hero!

      Lab-Rat - 2011-08-12 10:14

      ...until he says something bad about blacks again.

      flange - 2011-08-12 10:42

      I'm white... but yes, what you say is true, the black/white thing will never end in this country. I'm not without prejudice, it's like it's in our DNA and neither side will ever let the other forget. The thing with our Archbishop, if anyone really pays attention to what he says, his biggest wish is for us to love one another, can you imagine that? What a beautiful thing it would be. Maybe, just maybe, we will start to realise that before this country burns

  • gobsmacked2 - 2011-08-12 10:02

    You know. I'm actually sick to death of hearing how we 'benefitted' from apartheid. South Africa is the only country in the world where an entire segment of the population is made to feel guilty for having anything at all, including a brain (in some cases) and a work ethic. Everywhere else in the world, people are allowed to have (and PAY FOR because they've EARNED them) a house, a car, a frickin swimming pool if they can afford them without being told they only have them because of the colour of their skin. We did not ALL BENEFIT from it. Not everything in life is owned/earned by someone at the expense of someone else. Yes, yes, apartheid was wrong/bad etc. We KNOW this. You throw it in our faces in a million ways every single day. Everywhere else in the world, people are ALLOWED to have an education and a job and STUFF without being told it's bad to have these things because someone else doesn't have them.

  • umlaut - 2011-08-12 10:02

    TUTU keep your mouth TOE-TOE- we are complaining about the management and the STATE OF CORRUPTION---we are in a state of corruption-Pay--- we have to pay, but pay for what--for more money vanishing somewhere and the poor don't get it. Apartheid was holey ground in comparison with anc full scale corruption.!!!!Corruption is destroying democracy and the will to support a mal-functioning government. Remember uncle--anc is 17 years in control now and the minister's children are going to top schools and they are staying in FANTASTIC HOUSES MANY WHITES COULD NEVER AFFORD. TUTU KEEP IT TOETOE

  • AntiRacist - 2011-08-12 10:03

    I support what has been said here, I mean image watching your child go to bed hungry and cold, no parent ever wants to see that. A hundred million spent by ANCYL party, seriously inflated salaries for all the top dogs in parliament etc could help so so much, I disagree about white people benefiting from all you say as i had to work hard for what i have without any handouts, so i think its a national problem as you could never feed all the poor as it will dry up the country in no time, Job creation is the only way forward, not giving them fish but teaching them how to catch their own.

      Johnny - 2011-08-12 10:36

      well said

      Ingie - 2011-08-12 11:45

      Well then they should stop falling pregnant then there would be no children going hungry and the 1 or 2 they have can be paid for to go school. This is the problem they always want things for nothing and its always the good ol' whites that bail and help them out. I dont anymore because the more you give the more they want. If I have to battle and pay the so must they. They chose this Govt not us.

  • @ - 2011-08-12 10:03

    The Arch is absolutely correct... I have been having this same argument with my fellow white citizens for over 20 years now... The problem is... and I'm happy The Arch says so too... is that many people equate benefitting from apartheid to being entirely accountable for apartheid... and while they may be the same in many cases this is not necessarily so... White people also fear that acknowledging this fact will lead to them losing everything they own... The sooner white people acknowledge that we did ALL benefit from being white in the Apartheid era South Africa... the sooner the healing can really begin. It doesn't need to be a negative thing... Just a statement and acceptance of fact... and with that acknowledgment surely will come the commitment to participate fully in the New South Africa and to assist when and where you can those people who did not benefit under the apartheid regime... Personally I believe this is the crux of the issue of who considers themselves a South African and who doesn't...

      Lab-Rat - 2011-08-12 10:16

      It's not just apartheid we benefitted from. Nature was also kind to us by giving us an average of 30 IQ points more than you. Must be tough being you.

      @ - 2011-08-12 10:23

      Lab-Rat... Hehehe... I am white... My IQ is 140... Guess your PLUS 30 IQ test didn't include any English vocabulary... Let me explain it to you... when I said "fellow white citizens" it means that I am a white citizen too... Get it...? Now, do you really believe your IQ is 30 points higher...? (not that IQ has anything to do with this debate at all)

      Lab-Rat - 2011-08-12 10:44

      @. Well done on your 140 IQ points. Mine is actually 147 if you want to compare. The comment was more based on the article than a reply to your comment but at least my 7 points more allows me to see that. If you want any tips on how to increase your IQ then I suggest you start eating more fish and doing a lot more reading and brain excercises and then you too could become enlightened and see the bigger picture.

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-12 10:48

      Gosh, talk about "handbags at 10 paces" @ Lab Rat - just admit defeat bud, the "I'm better than you" defense is making you look worse, and I say this because I care ;-)

      Felix - 2011-08-12 10:55

      @@ Admitting that whites benefitted from apartheid is just stating the obvious, signing the referendum was our apology and our offer of a hand up. This is all a smoke screen to hide the fact that the anc is F^cking this country up for their own benefit.

      Lab-Rat - 2011-08-12 11:15

      Thanks Matt, I'll take your advice...

      Neles - 2011-08-12 12:19

      swordfight!

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-12 12:22

      @ Lab Rat - any time ;-) btw another example of someone desperately trying to appear intelligent - get onto "world news" and look for the "5th death in UK riots" article. Maria from Liverpool is telling us all how educated and intelligent she is, and doing a pretty poor job at it ;-)

      greatgodpan - 2011-08-12 13:20

      that is exactly what the referendum did....the white voted to end apartheid........despite the propagans the anc did not win an armed struggle over apartheid...............

  • karlkat - 2011-08-12 10:03

    Love the part about the black pilot and no white pilot to bring us back to safety and how badly eroded his self-image had become. Desmond Tutu is a great man, well balanced with great vision and insight and I respect him for that.

  • Goddok - 2011-08-12 10:03

    Yes DESMOND TUTU, please do not be holier than thou. You have a short memory or do you not want not to remember on purpose. Is this because of the guilt that you have due to the hardship that you caused to blacks as a result of your drive for sanctions?

  • Gavin - 2011-08-12 10:03

    Tutu, I think you are suffering from Ed Zachary disease, you sound ed zachary like julius mal enema. If we had to tally up just how much money has been stolen since the cANCer party came to power, I think YOU would be the one to be embarrassed/ashamed. Until today, I was a big fan of yours, but now I think I must have my eyes and ears tested.

  • Zeek - 2011-08-12 10:03

    What he says is good and neutral. The goverment all thinks he is an old tired guy that they have to keep along and listen to because he came from the "struggle" the same with Mandela. As soon as the old guys have passed away it is goign to be a free for all. So 17 years later when things are not what they should be, after trying to change government and hoping it will just work. It could have worked very well if all the systems that were put in place many many years before, infrastructure, hospitals, police force and army etc. They were all in place and working well. But because if was created by bad bad white people it had to be let go, destroyed and left to break down. Fire all the knowledge and appoint brainless money grubbing management. Please stop this white this and that, things are what they are. rather try and fix it and stop with the blame because things are stuffed.

  • Sammy - 2011-08-12 10:04

    "Your children could go to good schools." Yes but now all schools are kinda vrot, thanks to pupils low pass rates and IDIOT teachers employed by whom? "You lived in smart neighbourhoods." Hmm Yes, because we kept our neighbourhoods clean and took care of our properties? Now we rely on others to do that and guess what... most of the time they strike?

  • nws - 2011-08-12 10:04

    why is always the whites that get criticize its very funny go take off your glasses and look at your fellow brothers in the anc o wait you also receive a pies of the pie old tutu