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Don't fear name changes - Mashatile

2012-04-12 13:02

Pretoria - People need not fear the transformative and inclusive exercise of renaming places in South Africa, Arts and Culture Minister Paul Mashatile said on Thursday.

"We are not killing anybody, we are talking changing for the better," Mashatile said.

However, people must become involved in the debates and processes of name changes and be initiators for name changes in their areas, he added.

"We must make sure that we all agree on who we are, what we call ourselves.

"If you think KwaZulu's name is something you don't like, you obviously have to go to KwaZulu-Natal and participate in a process of renaming, if it will happen - it won't come from Pretoria.

"But let's not be gripped by fear because names must mean something to people."

Lobby group AfriForum are not pleased by apparent plans to change the name of Pretoria to Tshwane.

Comments
  • Irene - 2012-04-12 13:07

    We don't fear name changes pal. We're just thinking about the costs of changing them all back again. Pretoria remains Pretoria and always will. Call something whatever you like, but you cannot force anyone to use the name of your 'heroes'.

      Wimpie.Haefele - 2012-04-12 13:25

      They don't care about the money as it falls in their laps to waste as they see fit

      Jack - 2012-04-12 13:31

      That's all they are good at...taking over something else and calling it theirs. If it wasn't for the whites there would be nothing to rename!! The arrogance of these people is astounding!!

      Piet - 2012-04-12 13:32

      I totally agree with the ANC on name changes. When a place was called for instance Pogietersrus the municipality functioned. The town was clean, we did not had any squatter camps enveloping these towns. So please change the names so that they can represent of what they have become!

      Benn - 2012-04-12 13:53

      This "minister" should begin by changing his and I have an appropriate suggestion- Mfene

      Jason - 2012-04-12 13:54

      Sganja - I think that name changes are relevant and personally couldnt care what they decided to call anything. I would think though that perhaps it would be a more pressing concern to sort out the MANY MANY problems associated with our new democracy. paying teachers, unemployment, security, etc etc etc. Once we are more stable, you can call any city anything you like.

      Anthony - 2012-04-12 14:18

      paul-----stop talking nonsence and wash the car

      Werner - 2012-04-12 14:40

      Yes "Heroes" Like Peter Mokaba (the new name for the stadium in Polokwane. PS Peter Mokaba's claim to fame is the slogan "One bullet one Settler" So basically a racist in the worst degree has been immortalised for ever here in Polokwane (Pietersburg)

      Mattewis - 2012-04-12 14:44

      "Changing for the better" & "gripped by fear" because of a street name? Is this guy grinding up his stupid pills and sniffing them for a moronic "high"? Building -agriculture, -transport infrastructure, -industry & -homes is changing for the better! The government is destroying agriculture, indifferent to industry or the transport infrastructure unless it is for personal gain, mismanaging municipalities, and once in a blue moon they build a few dilapidated shacks! What we fear has nothing to do with name changes, but more with the brooding civil unrest erupting more often each day in the form of "service delivery violence", due to aforementioned shortcomings of government!

      John - 2012-04-12 15:21

      spot on piet, and anyway i cant pronounce some of the new names and wouldnt find some without a updated map @mattewis the anc gov doesnt understand the concept of changing for the better and words like infrastructure and agriculture, they are good at stealing and corruption though got to give them credit for that.

      Rob - 2012-04-12 15:58

      Great comment Piet. Very true indeed.

      Alf - 2012-04-30 20:54

      Mr. Mashatile and his cornies in government at any level obviously don't worry about the costs of name changes. Instead they tell Mbete to investigate if cake eating in public is acceptable or not! We have a bunch of very sick puppies in government!

      Tiaan - 2012-05-18 00:25

      The thing that bothers me the most is that Pretoria is our capital. All over the world when people speak of "Pretoria" they talk about the government of South Africa. It's like Washington, and London. You cannot just simply change the name of the capital. I am fully against this.

  • Bigsexy.jm - 2012-04-12 13:08

    Boom! Goes the anc bullcr*p o meter!

      David - 2012-04-12 14:05

      Next they'll change the country's name to "African Banana Republic"..wait..we are that already..eish!

      Frank - 2012-04-12 14:08

      We all know that this fool Mashatile is one of the biggest thieves in the country.....remember his R100,000.00 lunch bills he regularly ran up? This name changing exercise is purely cosmetic to bolster their failing voter base in Gauteng. He has no inkling of the cost and the reason why we complain as he got away with this theft so many times, he feels untouchable! Moron!

  • John - 2012-04-12 13:09

    "Changing for the better" .....BETTER would be the same money going to houses, roads, education, health etc!!!!

      Robin - 2012-04-12 13:46

      just another idea for a tender that would propably involve corruption...

  • Andre - 2012-04-12 13:15

    Most people are getting lost in our own country. Why don't you just give new names to new streets. This is costing millions just so the government can say: "We transformed the country"! The old names are familiar and will stay with most!

      Ettienne Brunsdon - 2012-04-12 13:39

      Andre, regrettably there's probably just about no money left for anything new since all our hard-earned tax money is being spent on 'transformation'. What a joke.

  • Shirley - 2012-04-12 13:16

    "Its not like we are killing someone"????? Maybe not but you are killing peoples hopes for upgraded facilities by wasting money on a NAME!!! Not surprising though-look at the money wasted on "anc 100 year" party! Shameful!Yet those same starving folks will vote again for the same!

  • jensuffhaus - 2012-04-12 13:16

    @Irene, you hit the nail on the head. We don't fear it. These name changes are just cosmetic. Money and Effort wasted and no real problem addressed. Lets sort out the real problems and shortcomings and once all that is done, we can focus on pretty name changes.

  • Lyndatjie - 2012-04-12 13:17

    I do not have a problem accepting name changes - but I AM seriously worried about the cost it would incur when so many of our people are still living in abject poverty! Couldn't the money be better spent in provinding food and shelter to those in dire need?

      Keith - 2012-05-01 07:18

      Wouldn't it be better to spend money on creating conditions where people DON'T live in abject poverty.

  • Alfred - 2012-04-12 13:17

    If you build it you can name it but don't start fiddling around with something that you didn't create at huge expense to us, the taxpayers once again, under the guise of some worn out political buzzword like 'transformation' when we all know it's just a combination of a severe inferiority complex, some hilariously misplaced arrogance and the opportunity to get some more paws in the tender till.

      Anthony - 2012-04-12 14:21

      sganja---stop talking nonsence and wash the car

  • Herman - 2012-04-12 13:18

    Its not fear you idiot!!! it anger. Once again you make me think of Dingaan - UNTRUSTABLE!!!

  • nkulu.bgumede - 2012-04-12 13:22

    clearly the minister doesnt own a map nor does he have a gps, nor does he have bills that he need to worry about changing addresses. and this thing about changing for the better??? really? which part of better am i not getting

  • Nicholas - 2012-04-12 13:26

    Debate? you are not interested in debate Mashatile, its your way or no way. It takes court action to stop you not "debate".

  • Chris - 2012-04-12 13:26

    Hahaha, typical 'ANC comrade clap-trap'. It's the guillotine blade telling 'the damned' - don't worry, it won't hurt - it'll be over in a jiffy... Patronising bastard this Mashatile

  • Carla - 2012-04-12 13:27

    Why waste millions on name changes when you could be putting that money towards education or building homes for the disadvantaged etc... There are just so many more things in this country that need to be done. Name changes should be way down at the bottom of the "to do" list.

  • Jacqui - 2012-04-12 13:28

    The names that mean something to white people is obviously not important. After all they are a splinter group only convenient to blame for every mistake made in this country.

      Brett - 2012-04-12 13:33

      And the irony is that all the streets and structures that are being renamed were designed, planned, funded and built by the whites!

      Anthony - 2012-04-12 14:23

      marumobongie---stop talking nonsence and wash the car

  • Anthony - 2012-04-12 13:31

    who is this idiot --never heard of him --and to think we are paying him a salary to sprout this drivel

  • Crracker - 2012-04-12 13:34

    When you need to name public utilities and areas to make people remember heroes - in fact, even introduce them to heroes - you know you are running low on historical credibility. Not to worry. Names are easy to change again in the not so distant future. So store those name boards and signs somewhere safe for later re-use as part of the country's saving effort.

  • raath - 2012-04-12 13:37

    If the tables were turned we definitely wouldn't rename Soweto or Tembisa to Smutsville or De Klerk Town. The cities have their history, and were built by the people they were named after (or according to the history). If you want to honour your heroes, build something and name it after them.

      Anthony - 2012-04-12 14:27

      build something ----dont make me laugh ---break something and you are dead right----would all the anc supporter please post a list of everything you have built lol

  • Graham - 2012-04-12 13:38

    Actually you are killing people, not you care! You are going to waste millions probably billions that could be spend on health care or education. The anc arrogance will kill many more. 5 years and we'll look Zimbabwe!

  • Frank - 2012-04-12 13:39

    Minister Mashatile go ahead, change all the names if they refuse; take it to the vote.. We will out number them anyways.. I support this one change Cape Town to Luthuli Town, Pretoria to Tswane finish n klaar

  • Morn%c3%a9 - 2012-04-12 13:42

    We don't fear the changes, we are thinking of all the money that is spend on all of this changes, money that good be spend on much more than road boards and all expenditures around this name changes. it is also very dificult four tourist to be notifeid of all these name changes. spend the money on more importent developments than changing somethings names that have existing names.

  • Maruis - 2012-04-12 13:42

    Yes you are killing people. Tax people to death, e-toll, hi petrol price and the list go on. Corruption, lies, name changing, ect are costing the people of this wonderful country. Focus on the real issues, education, crimals must be in jail, don't care if it a man on the street or the president of something. Put them in jail and not on 'special paid leave' where they enjoy a be life than most guys on the street. Housing, water ect. Come on cANCer, FOCUS.

  • damonsb - 2012-04-12 13:48

    i don`t fear the name change, its just heavy on my spelling when you can’t pronounce the name

      Keith - 2012-05-01 07:22

      You'll have to learn all the other official languages.

  • shauncro - 2012-04-12 14:01

    Here's a thought, why not spend the money on housing, education, Fight corruption, and alleviate poverty. Once you have completed all this, spend money on Name Changes. Does this not make better sense?

      Johnnie - 2012-04-14 15:48

      That has been told to them millions of times, without any results.

  • rowan.maulson - 2012-04-12 14:03

    We don't fear the name changes you blithering idiot. We object to them because they're a waste of goddamn money ffs. This country has more pressing problems than the names of the streets and towns. The names in that were changed in Durban actually meant nothing to me other than street names, but now they mean even less because I don't know them. Your little piss-up party made getting around the centre of the city MORE difficult because you needed to make yourselves feel important.

  • Piet - 2012-04-12 14:04

    I totally agree with the ANC on name changes. When a place was called for instance Pogietersrus the municipality functioned. The town was clean, we did not had any squatter camps enveloping these towns. So please change the names so that they can represent of what they have become!

  • Haha - 2012-04-12 14:04

    How many Nelson Mandela roads do the idiots want?

      Gigo - 2012-04-12 14:12

      As many as possible.How many Hendrick Verwoed streets we have?

  • tobydt - 2012-04-12 14:08

    As for the Pretoria name change, the MP surely hasnt heard that the ANC is writing out public participation with regards to namechanging.

      Gigo - 2012-04-12 14:13

      Yes Pretoria include places like Soshanguve,Haamnskraal,Mamelodi etc,and believe me these communities will need changes...

      tobydt - 2012-04-12 14:19

      And Pretoria includes suburbs such as Alphan park, Arcadia, Ashley Gardens, Bailey's Muckleneuk, Brooklyn, Brummeria, Colbyn, Constantia Park, Die Wilgers, Eastwood, Elarduspark, Equestria, Erasmuskloof, Erasmusrand, Faerie Glen, Garsfontein, Groenkloof, Grootfontein, Hatfield, Hazeldean, Hazelwood, Hillcrest, La Montagne, Lydiana, Lynnwood Lynnwood Park, Menlo Park, Menlyn, Meyerspark, Mooikloof, Monument Park, Moreleta Park, Centurion. To name but a few. And they dont give a f*** about your name changes.

      Gigo - 2012-04-12 14:29

      They are Mlondolozi,it's just that you don't hear them.

      Anthony - 2012-04-12 14:31

      sganja---i have asked you before --please stop talking nonsence and wash the car

      tobydt - 2012-04-12 14:32

      Sganja - "it's just that you don't hear them." Because the Tswhane ANC decided to block public opinion with regards to street renaming. If the people in Soshanguve, Mamelodi etc, want their steets changed, let them do so, if they have the majority vote. If the people in all the other suburbs, dont want street renaming, then dont do it (if they are in the majority). The ANC is going against the will of the people. Then again, this is the fourth time that the ANC tried to change the name of Pretoria, and every single time they fail (due to the majority decision).

      tobydt - 2012-04-12 14:34

      Anthony - Dont be a douchebag dude.

  • Templar - 2012-04-12 14:15

    These ANC morons have a country to run and a nation to save, yet they procrastinate over changing the names of inanimate objects as if their very survival depended on it. The absolute senselessness of these dribbling idiots as they stumble around in the quagmire of their own ineptitude never ceases to amaze me.

      Anthony - 2012-04-12 14:32

      well said

  • Retha - 2012-04-12 14:18

    its not name changes we fear, its the waste of money

  • The-third - 2012-04-12 14:18

    fear? I fear the waste of money it often is. Sure change something that's derogatory or offends... but changing just for change sake is a waste of time and resources that could be better spent elsewhere.

  • Ken - 2012-04-12 14:19

    I actually don't care what a board says or municipality wants to call itself. I still fly from Cape Town to the Transvaal and still visit PE

  • siyadyosiba - 2012-04-12 14:21

    Change the names all you like, it won’t be the first and last time they are changed. Change comes with changes and change starts with change in identity. If your identity does not present the change you want, there won't be any change. For us to forget about the painful past, please erase anything that represent that past.

      Gieljam - 2012-04-14 19:27

      Siyadyosia ;To erase anything of the past will not happen for the simple reason then you cut your nose to spite your face.It is not just here that people talk of pain full experiences . I mean to say if you get named Siyabonga is it going to make you forget Siyadyosia even if it is easier to pronounce ? Catch my drift?You have inherited an functional well established country . To stop wasting money and to built up the the place. regards gg

  • muriel.proudfoot - 2012-04-12 14:23

    I think the ANC makes decisions by playing spin the bottle. There is simply no logic in what they do.

  • Mark - 2012-04-12 14:23

    It's got nothing to do with fear you damn fool, it's about needless, stupid changes that cost money which could be better spent elsewhere. It also confuses the hell out of everybody, tourists included, but guess you don't see that as a problem either. Are you lot really so doff that you can't see this or is it that you just don't care because it's not your money?

  • mike.clery - 2012-04-12 14:31

    As has already been said, I doubt that people "fear" name changes. They're just exasperated by the very costly window-dressing, money that could be used to actually improve people's lives and make the country a better, safer place for EVERYONE.

  • wesley.bischoff - 2012-04-12 14:36

    Uhmmm... Mr Minister, people do not fear name changes. We just think it is a complete waste of taxpayers money to change names of cities and streets. Use the money for something useful...

  • ashley.snalam - 2012-04-12 14:38

    Just piss more money against the wall please. I'm sure the people in the townships much prefer name changes to free housing! Our "leaders" are the scum of the earth. Not all but a vast majority.

  • Vaaldonkie - 2012-04-12 14:39

    What about changing the country's name to the Socialist (black) People's Republic of Marxbabwe.

  • kennis.more - 2012-04-12 14:39

    We are led by fools and thugs! Finish and Klaar

  • Tito - 2012-04-12 14:44

    Unfortunately name changes is a quick fix for lack of knowledge on how to build infrastructure. The latter would need planning, expertise, high level of commitment, and the will to start something that you might not see the benefits of completion in your lifetime. It is much easier to rename it and claim it as yours.

  • Brett - 2012-04-12 14:47

    Please change Limpopo to Limpoopoo and Durban to Dirtbin. Oh and you can change Luthuli House to Lootfreely House.

  • samsterwilliams - 2012-04-12 14:51

    There are more urgent issues to spend the money on.... really these ministers are so narrow minded, priorities chaps, there are bigger budget needing priorities out there than spending heaven knows how much to change names of a town, city or road - it costs the tax payers twice, once for the governmant to change the names, and then indivuals and businesses who have to update their details. Goodness, doesn't anyone actually think in government?

  • Brian - 2012-04-12 14:53

    HBR Hey folks why do they change the names.......because they can!

  • Grant Henry - 2012-04-12 14:53

    LoL

  • E - 2012-04-12 15:15

    Mr Mashatile, you are being naive. Fear grows out of ignorance, and yes, most people are ignaorant of the proposals, which you are not sharing with the public or the communities involved. How can there be participation when you and your government, at all levels, are not publicisicing proposals, and allowing frre debate? You say that names have to mean something to people, but when objections to the changes are raised on precisely htis ground, people are accused of being reactionalry, unpatriotic, blocking transformation, or evenm racist and "hankering for the return of apartheid". Give us transparency, a level playing field (no changing the rules in the middel of the process to suit the convenience of one side), and open dabte without denigrating any side's opinions. THAT is how you reduce 'fear'.

      E - 2012-04-12 15:19

      sorry for the typos, was in a bit of a hurry. Agree with various comments about unnecessary cost & more important priorities like food, health & housing.

      Keith - 2012-05-01 07:30

      E, you were in a hurry! Does it only take you 4 minutes to go?

  • Karl - 2012-04-12 15:15

    We cannot honour pretorius anymore change all appartheit leaders name atleast to tree names or to rivers.....And all their statues must be demolished,they can go and rebuild them at Holland

      Bless Boswell - 2012-04-13 10:14

      Karl, get over yourself. Obliterating the part that the Dutch played in South Africa's history will not make it go away. Without the input of the early Dutch settlers things may have been very different - yes, you could be living with Chinese oppressors - where they dictate how many children you may have and expect you to put the extras to death! His would you like that? Either way, the black tribes would not have achieved anything like the progress that this country enjoys, without intervention of another nation. There are many white people here that have been here far longer than you have and can name each and every forefather - can you do that?

      Gieljam - 2012-04-14 19:45

      Karl I don't think many people for one moment think of Pretorius when talking about or in Pretoria but one thing is for sure had it not been for him and his men you and I would most probably not be here and who ever could be here would be experiencing something close to what was here in the 16th century. regards gg

      Keith - 2012-05-01 07:32

      Tienie, I thought it meant Beer.

  • Mark - 2012-04-12 15:18

    I don't fear name changes and neither should you lot in the cANCer party of SA. Now you just need to change your emblem to something more suitable - may I suggest the Jolly Roger as it best suits you and your agenda.

  • WessBergg - 2012-04-12 15:27

    Once you take every single child in South Africa off of the street, and give him/her a place to stay, good food and a good education, then and only then we can talk name changes. What you don't understand Minister is that a child does not care which street it sleeps on, but it does care where its next meal comes from. Maybe instead of spending millions on name changes you could give the thousands of children who raise their younger siblings outside, some of whom will freeze to death this winter, a real chance in life. If you did that, you could change any f@cking name you want, not before you heartless buffoon.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-04-13 10:18

      Well said. From your lips to his ears.

  • Christina - 2012-04-12 15:50

    it really beats me as to how quick the names of places are changed, but when it comes to chnaging the lives of the South Africans its so difficult.I personally dont care about the name changes, why not use the money to up lift the lives of people of South Africa instead. MAY GOD HELP US under this gvnmt.

  • Mark - 2012-04-12 15:54

    Paul Mashatile is, in my opinion a very unsavoury and influencial Mafiosa. Besides his Accolytes, who the hell would want to hear, let alone take, his smarmy advice?