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Don't pay cops, public warned

2011-12-29 22:01

Johannesburg - Gauteng police cautioned the public on Thursday not to pay for basic services at police stations.

"We are concerned about the behaviour of corrupt police officers and members of the public who compensate officers for services," spokesperson Lieutenant Colonel Lungelo Dlamini said in a statement.

Members of the public were not supposed to pay to report complaints, seek police assistance, certify documents or have affidavits written.

Dlamini said this behaviour was prominent during the festive season, when officers were offered presents in the form of cash for certain services, or for neglecting to enforce the law.

"This behaviour amounts to corruption. Both parties may be charged with corruption and face the full might of the law. Police management are taking steps to prevent this form of corruption."

Anyone who wanted to report this kind of behaviour could call the police's anti-corruption line on 0860 267 7878, 24 hours a day.

Comments
  • Gareth - 2011-12-29 22:25

    It would help if these corrupt officers were held accountable, but they aren't which is why they are never reported. Another ANC legacy, in thanks to a certain President Jacob ZUMA. Happy New Year and be safe on he road.

      jack.oosthuysen - 2011-12-29 22:30

      A certain Selebi inmate will disagree with your point made.

      Gareth - 2011-12-29 22:42

      ekfeugo unfortunately this is has become the exception rather than the rule. Selebi was appointed in the Mbeki era not so? Zuma appointed Bheki Cele and we all know how he has turned out.

      PyroSA - 2011-12-29 23:09

      Stay vigilant Gareth. If you stop reporting, there will be nothing for them to work off of. A single report might not be adequate evidence that an officer is corrupt (your word against mine scenario), but several such reports from different parties carry more weight.

      Nicholas.Spaggiari - 2011-12-30 05:52

      Well, when the entire criminal prevention system is dripping with crime how can people carry on with any sort of hope or trust in the law to protect you and your family. It would probably be better to have no public police at all because they are adding to the crime. The only answer is to remove the system and build a new one without criminals.

      Squeegee - 2011-12-30 07:10

      This is terrible. Police entrepeneurs will now not be able to fund their holiday plans because the public have been warned. Now they will have to put up gates on the police station and charge entry and exit fees.

      Nicholas.Spaggiari - 2011-12-30 10:19

      Now we know why there was a drop in the crime stats, firstly because the minister of crime toyed with numbers to get his bonus... and secondly because no-one wants to pay the police so that they can make a basic report. Would you pay a bunch of idiots to file a report who will do nothing about it anyway? No! Fewer reports lower stats, hence the public getting lied to once again... what's new. Our poor friends & family there... :( I remember when my wife and I needed a few documents stamped, the lady officer said she only does 4 a week on a certain day. If we want more done we should pay her. lol... we gladly paid because the documents were for immigration. :)

  • moby.quest - 2011-12-29 22:34

    We already pay these buggers enough with our tax money!

      Sifiso - 2011-12-30 06:35

      In law enforcement death is an occupational hazard. Therefore I totally disagree with you. They are not paid enough.

      StarStruck - 2011-12-30 07:50

      Sifiso - life is hard for many other people, black and white. Are you saying that it's ok for the police to bribe the public because of this?

      Walter - 2011-12-30 08:17

      @Sifiso: Nobody forced any cop to become a cop, many are corrupt (experienced that myself, like many South Africans have, and do on a daily basis), many are totally ineffective of what they do and for that, they are paid plenty! @moby.quest: How ANYONE could leave negative feedback on your comment just blows my mind...

      moby.quest - 2011-12-30 08:17

      @Sifiso, you have the right to your opinion. However, who in this world ever gets paid "enough"? And even if they are really not paid enough, its still not a good enough reason for corruption.

      John - 2011-12-30 09:02

      Sifiso - December 30, 2011 at 06:35 So according to your way of thinking, these corrupt cretins are allowed to supplement their salary by fleecing the public? If so, you are part of the problem and a fool deluxe! These idiots knew what the job entails before they enlisted and should have read the "Serve" part in the motto more attentively. The reality however these days is that they join to steal as what more do they need than a uniform, badge, gun and a measure of power to extort whatever they want. I must say, the handful of real cops out there should be revered but the bulk of them are criminals in uniform, especially the fat slobs sleeping in charge offices countrywide!

      Jerhone - 2011-12-30 09:08

      if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen, i remember years ago guys joined the police not so much for the money but for the chance to SERVE their country,the danger and death to cops is to be laid squarley at the feet of the ANC who have watered down policing they have removed the death sentence,hired incompetent cops, training is pathetic, well i guess if the minister is pathetic his whole department will be,the letting in of mafia triads druglords into the country also has not helped i am not bringing back the past but be honest how many cops died on duty pre 94 lets exclude those that died fighting the border war, this government does not learn from the past, take the good things out of the past throw away the bad, but they threw out the baby with the bathwater

      Sifiso - 2011-12-30 10:12

      @ John @ StarStruck I'm not saying they should supplement their salary with bribes, I'm just saying that they are not paid enough.

      chris.faurie - 2011-12-30 12:21

      If you study, work hard, do courses, you will get promoted ( if not white), therfore receive an increase. However, if you enlist, sit back without any ambition, the salary will only get yearly adjustments, so yes, they are getting paid enough!

      Perfume5 - 2011-12-30 14:47

      @Sifiso they are PAID more than enough, salary plus benefits, and then they make extra benefits by charging for certain documentation to be filled, and accepting bribes on the side of the roads, so I think they are paid MORE THAN THE AVERAGE WORKING MAN/WOMAN.

  • Ron - 2011-12-29 22:41

    SAVAGES

      Juan - 2011-12-30 04:10

      We use to laugh and joke at the countries up north. It use to be said that if you want to go have a holiday there, ensure that you take enough bribe money with. Now it's happening right here in South Africa. Corruption is not isolated incidents anymore, it has now become the norm. Well done ANC, you have turned SA into the classical description of a banana republic. Now we are just waiting for the economy to go down the toilet, then you can compare yourselves with Zanu PF

      John - 2011-12-30 05:43

      This used to be prevalent in the old homelands (bribes)as well. Is it perhaps some sort of cultural thing?

      AyGeewils - 2011-12-30 06:51

      Without a doubt - this practise is as endemic as a chicken in rural areas and has been the case for years - if you have spent much time in these areas (for obvious reasons) some of the vehicles are berely able to move forward - smoke pouring out the exhaust - but no one bothers - I once asked a local chap 'what about the traffic police - how do they not take these cars off the road?' he laughed and said 'Siya bathenkela icoke' 'we buy them a coke' that was around 91-92 and now they still use the same expression!

  • Mantsho - 2011-12-29 23:06

    Banana Republic, here we go

      Warren - 2011-12-30 12:19

      Dude, don't say that. The other day I said the exact same thing & was accused of being a racist. I wonder if my accuser will say anything to you?

      chris.faurie - 2011-12-30 12:32

      Please see Special Assignment report on a recently person who has been promoted. http://www.mediaupdate.co.za/?IDStory=41753.

  • Michelle Kirsten - 2011-12-29 23:45

    OOOOHH the FULL MIGHT OF THE LAW... Is that like a strong drink of water?

  • Joe - 2011-12-30 02:00

    I wonder if the Hotline can be bought too :-)

      godesha - 2011-12-30 08:55

      I wonder if it even works.

  • Sifiso - 2011-12-30 04:35

    In future the SAPS's human resources department needs to thoroughly pick the brain of every applicant to ensure that he or she is not just in it for the cash. Since crime is huge problem in S.A. I suggest that the SAPS should pay an entry-level salary of R15,000 per month (but then no salary raise for years). So that S.A. will have a highly motivated police force.

      StarStruck - 2011-12-30 07:58

      Sifiso - please do not try and justify their behaviour. R15000 will only be enough until they go and buy a house in an estate and then what?? Far too many black people seems willing to bribe someone for a coke or cash. The flippen chief of police for crying out loud!!!

      Vernon.J.Brown - 2011-12-30 08:37

      I think Sifiso has a point about the pay. A decently paid Police Officer wud be tempted less easily than currently occurs. However this should have gone hand in hand with a minimum competency level of say Grade 12 pass. Have u ever tried to report or file a complaint with the officers at a charge office ? There is no way these guys have passed Std 6 if you assess the writing style, the grammar and the logic which gets displayed at this point. Faaaaak

      Jerhone - 2011-12-30 09:20

      sifiso, as things stand if you pick the brains of the generals alone you would only be left with maybe two they hand out rank like prize packets the problem lies with the powers that be, first pick el presidente's brain if you can find one then the ministers who have very little, who are picked by the people who we know have almost none, so i don't think your picking is such a good idea

  • raymond.kok3 - 2011-12-30 05:06

    well their boss are having a paid vacation for doing nothing so they recon they would get in on the act after all what will happen to them suspension for two years and after that appeal for another two years and than maybe just maybe if you catch them on a good day they would fire him. they are all in it for the cash the old loyal ones are so negative because of no promotion and the new got too much connections they ran riot in the police

  • boramk - 2011-12-30 05:27

    It's sad that we have to be told this.

  • Max - 2011-12-30 05:39

    Yes, and don't feed the animals in the National parks. So this is what it has come to, the public must be told how to behave towards public servants because the public servants behave like animals that can't think for them selves. Sad, very sad.

      StarStruck - 2011-12-30 08:04

      Thank you Max. Exactly what I was thinking. We all know that there is only one way to end this madness.

  • jaap.kotze - 2011-12-30 05:46

    Dont pay for ''basic'' services. Which, police, sevices have to be paid for in any case?

  • Sechaba - 2011-12-30 05:54

    How much do they get paid? I mean their salary?

  • Hunter - 2011-12-30 06:21

    "This behaviour amounts to corruption." Really, and here I thought it was standard practice.

  • Kevin - 2011-12-30 06:23

    Thees ees thee Efriken kulsha!! Viva ANC,,,viva...

  • Hermann - 2011-12-30 06:28

    This is so reminiscent of my years in the Congo I can't help asking if such conduct reflects an African genetic defect.

      Josekamau - 2011-12-30 08:09

      I think you lose the point, and it almost borders on racism, corruption has in no way related to any gene, African, Caucasian or whatever, Just for an example look at Silvio Berlusconi Ex-Italian Prime Minister and you will tell me of whether he has Congolese, Kenyan or Nigerian genes. Corruption comes from systems that do not work and which leaders at the top are not willing for them to work for the simple reason that they are benefiting from such systems.

      Hermann - 2011-12-30 09:40

      @Jose ... I did not say it reflects, I asked. Thanks for your reply what a pity the examples you refer to does not apply to the RSA as it would have made our lives so much more simple.

      Jerhone - 2011-12-30 19:17

      @Jose granted there are europeans who are corrupt or useless at their jobs but they don't keep their jobs once found out, they get booted out not like here they get promoted

  • Leon - 2011-12-30 06:47

    1. Is it OK then or required to pay cops for "non-basic" services? 2. Is a traffic fine a "basic" service? I need to know time a trffic cop solicits a "payment" from me.

  • AyGeewils - 2011-12-30 07:07

    This is not unique to Africa - all countries were a large rural society still exists and the police can hide behind old traditions of settling issues with locals 'on the spot' The paying for a misdemeanour is centuries old and to avoid the business of courts and appearances - people look for a way out - until our society is at the level where we all realise the implications of bribery - it will continue. takes two to tango - but expecting the solution to come from the puplic first is ludicrouse.

  • Leon - 2011-12-30 07:18

    "Both parties may be charged with corruption and face the full might of the law." Will we have to "pay" for this too?

  • Trevor - 2011-12-30 07:33

    VIVA ANC VIVA...VIVA COMRADES!!! They only learning from the best in Government so who can blame them?

  • Andre - 2011-12-30 07:43

    Get rid of the corrupt officials. It's like the signs next to the road stating it is a hijacking area? Why does there have to be sign? Why cant's the problem be solved? Or is it a human rights infringement?

      StarStruck - 2011-12-30 08:08

      Haha. Same thing with potholes. They would rather put up a sign to say there are potholes then to fix it.

      AyGeewils - 2011-12-30 12:08

      BEWARE OF CORRUPT POLICEMEN at every robot!

      Jerhone - 2011-12-30 19:20

      how about a sign out side parlament ZOMBIES AT WORK

  • Paulo - 2011-12-30 08:17

    aammmm maybe you should be telling the cops that not us. can't even control your own staff? what a joke-i hate the police.

  • raymond.kok3 - 2011-12-30 08:24

    sechaba for their level of competence they do get enough money its pure greed a get rich scheme and they like it because they key to it is their uniform , that what you get when dissipline and respect get swoped for arrogance and pure and utter stupidity

  • Henk - 2011-12-30 08:33

    wat kan jy verwag? met TWEE korrupte polisie kommissarisse onder 'n korrupte regering is dit mos die aangewese ding!

  • Paul - 2011-12-30 08:39

    The Police actually have a toll free anti corruption line? Makes you wonder just what are South Africans dealing with here... however its no wonder that they charge people for basic services considering only their so called elite such as Selebi and Clele if I spelled that right tend to get paid properly anyway when to no surprise they do nothing that resembles any real police work! unless "tender rigging" and "allegedly taking bribes" is classified as police work but hey what do we know? We will soon be faced with legislation that protects the "integrity" of our elite Policeman anyway thanks to the ANC's "brilliant" criminal minds for drafting the Protection of Information Bill... Well atleast we have 1 or possibly more people within the the Police that choose to fight this plague of corruption within their ranks but they just like the rest of us unfortunately cant do a thing about it... what a wonderful system we have in place...

  • SarelJBotha - 2011-12-30 08:43

    This problem will never get fixed as long as the cops work for government and not directly for the communities they serve. The union also plays a huge role and helping them to get away with these evils and therefor the roles of unions should be severery limited.

  • samuelbowker - 2011-12-30 08:45

    This is the African way. It would be naive to put Africans in power and expect anything different.

  • collins.makgopa - 2011-12-30 09:29

    they learned frm Selebi. you can't blame them.

  • Jason - 2011-12-30 09:30

    Whats new, once again our wonderful SAPS showing there true colors, corrupt sons of b*tches!!

  • Piet - 2011-12-30 10:42

    When you deal with metro's or SAPS always have your cellphone on record.

  • Mr C - 2011-12-30 11:34

    "and face the full might of the law"? question: if you cant keep control of the "officials of the law" how on earth are you going to get to the public who engage in this...?

  • Sipo - 2011-12-30 14:00

    dont pay cops and do what,why talk to us and not to your cops,we are suppose to be happy when we see the police but its the opposite,we feel scared because they harrass us for no reason,i think they abuse their power,we read horrible stories about the police

  • Jerhone - 2011-12-30 19:11

    Jerhone - Just posted Report comment It's so easy to stop corruption in the police force, have an internal affairs unit which is not on the take and paid reasonably, then any cop found guilty of corruption in any way is fired AND LOSES HIS PENSION end of story but of course these zombies won't take advice because it is not an African idea, the arogance, the arogance............

  • d.j.brits - 2011-12-30 19:13

    Ag please sa cops are the biggest joke of this country i have no respect for them, if they are killed its no skin of my back, yet should an USA law enforcement offcer loose his life in the line of duty then that is a major loss........

  • Sipo - 2012-01-02 21:12

    I aggree with you d.j.brits I dont think they take their jobs seriously,

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