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Drivers may have to Rica licences

2012-06-19 08:33

Johannesburg - Drivers may soon have to show proof of residence to keep their licences valid, similar to the Rica system currently in place for cellphones and bank accounts, according to a report on Tuesday.

This is one of the proposed amendments to the National Road Traffic Law announced in the Government Gazette last week, Beeld reported.

Motorists will have 12 months from the date of the amended law to show their full name, address, ID number and birth date to a licencing authority, and any change of address will also have to be reported within 21 days.

Another noteworthy addition to the law is the suggestion that vehicles older than 10 years will have to undergo a roadworthy test every second year, but this would not apply to vintage cars.

Vehicles that have been written off by insurance companies will not be permitted to be registered again, and the use of chassis parts from such cars to build other cars will also be illegal.

A further suggestion is that new drivers receive temporary licences that will be valid for a year. During this time, the licence will be suspended if the trainee driver commits more than six traffic offences.

Comments
  • clifford.sithole.5 - 2012-06-19 08:37

    The taxi's will be exempt of course.

      Jannie - 2012-06-19 08:45

      BIG BROTHER in action

      godesha - 2012-06-19 08:55

      Of course Clifford, would we expect anything less? I am so sick and tired of justifying who I am and where I live. The next thing they would want is a urine sample as well.

      Curry - 2012-06-19 08:57

      It promises to be an inconvenient process but if this reduces crime or at least deters criminals then we should all do our bit!

      Vicker - 2012-06-19 09:02

      "...A further suggestion is that new drivers receive temporary licences that will be valid for a year..." And this differs from a Learner's License HOW???? What about all the "voters" that do not have an address? Will they once again be allowed to indicate their closest SAPS station to comply with the requirements?

      tuco.angeleyes - 2012-06-19 09:02

      who said the eToll saga was over. This is all in an effort to track down people who have not paid or registered for eToll bloody thieves.

      Jono - 2012-06-19 09:02

      why dont we just get it over and done with and we all put micro chips in our necks because it looks like this is were it is going to!

      godesha - 2012-06-19 09:02

      Curry, I doubt if anything will deter criminals. You will find the law abiding citizens doing their bit, but the criminals will find a way around it.

      Martin - 2012-06-19 09:05

      Tuco, they could close their eyes, spin around, throw a rock and will definitely hit someone who has not paid for etoll, its 99.99% of us

      Squeegee - 2012-06-19 09:21

      These are great new laws - in a country that actually works.. In SA, just another opportunity for corruption.

      John - 2012-06-19 09:23

      Hmmmm.....What driving license has to do with residential address? I didn't pass my driving exams to be able to park my vehicle in Proes straat. How about Motor Vehicle Insurance card that specifies the residential address? In this scenario drivers will carry bought documents at the time. You can suspend a car for a non-active insurance, but you can’t just wave out a driver’s license. We don’t have a “territorial drivers licenses”. Our licenses are valid for the entire country and you didn’t think about that isn’t it? How come driver’s license becomes bounded to residence? I can have 2 houses in 2 different provinces. I can drive only in my “Primary residence area only?” How much will cost the address change? Is the word “corresponding databases” too complicated for you or is just about another scheme on taxes? Is about someone’s idea about one document for all? You don’t really have a clue what complications are you going to cause. Maybe is about the ID cards…and something there was omitted. Someone else needs to take the blame for this project of missing or non-existent records. In any civilized countries ID or social insurance numbers are matching multiple records. Only in South Africa one size fits all….damn banana republic. Are we going to lose our computers also if they are with non-updated address registration? Keep a copy of your used toilet paper...just in case for the next amendments.

      zambezi.river - 2012-06-19 09:24

      My shack doesnt have an address.......does that mean that i wont have a valid drivers licence.

      emile.vanrayner.7 - 2012-06-19 10:07

      that was likely the point all along, cliff

      Mlu - 2012-06-19 13:25

      Your right bro!

      berni.venter - 2012-06-19 16:45

      Of course they will be exempt Clifford. They have derailed the ARTO process that we have already paid for OUT OF OUR TAXES! Starting to get really annoyed with the whole approach. Law abiding citizens are being nailed daily by all the FICA'S, RICA'S and goodness knows what else. Pray tell, there was a huge hullabaloo about RICA... register or get disconnected! And the whole purpose? Try and report some scammer sending bogus sms's that you've won one or another obscure lottery. There is nowhere to report them to. So what was the whole idea? Me thinks a high level scam to train staff and sell units to do the RICA? Some one's brother's sister's aunt come up with the idea?

      denise.ryan.5203 - 2012-06-19 21:29

      So why the upgrade of licences to fully-fledged State fishing expeditions? This looks once again like applying First World principles and policies with African precision.

      russell.w.wright.5 - 2012-06-25 20:22

      Of course.

  • Sagin - 2012-06-19 08:38

    its all about making more money to siphon off.

  • Martin - 2012-06-19 08:39

    not gonna happen, will a letter from a school or church suffice as it did to rica my sim?

      Martin - 2012-06-19 10:42

      i wont give my address to strangers, all they gonna get is that i live in my car near honeydew police station, they cant discriminate cos im white, whites can be homeless with a car too you know, besides the government are criminal as are the police, its like giving my address to a known murderer. not a fack.

  • Greg - 2012-06-19 08:39

    ...and of course all the taxi drivers will toi-toi and get exemption from all of this!!

      Althea - 2012-06-19 09:48

      I hate Taxi Drivers!!!!!! UUURRRGGGG!!!!

      tshifhiwa.vandermunalisi - 2012-06-19 09:54

      @Althea they don't like you either.

      deabreu - 2012-06-19 11:29

      @Steen the taxi drivers actually don't CARE about anyone else. you know how unsafe they are, both to other drivers and to the passengers. A taxi driver and a priest die and stand at the gates to Heaven, St Peter lets the driver in without asking anything, but had a dozen question for the priest. When the priest asked why the taxi driver was let through without any questions, St Peter said : "More people prayed in his taxi than in the church".

  • GrootWitHaai - 2012-06-19 08:45

    A few million taxi drivers are going to be running around finding false addresses to keep their licences. I wonder if this will help the Metro cops get those outstanding fines..or will taxpaying whites only suffer as usual.

      Acta - 2012-06-19 09:43

      No need to bring race into this.

      Althea - 2012-06-19 09:48

      That is if they even do have licences...!!!

      tshifhiwa.vandermunalisi - 2012-06-19 09:56

      Didn't know only white people pat tax, i am not white and have been paying tax for the last 7 years.

      timmy.ditsele - 2012-06-19 14:08

      I am black and am a law abiding-tax paying citizen,does it mean that my tax is not being abused/mismanaged?.STOP BEING A TROLL. ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO ARE HOLDING THIS COUNTRY BACK FROM MOVING FORWARD.TROLL.

      flyswat - 2012-06-19 18:34

      This move will only serve to cause further corruption. Nobody will give valid addresses.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-06-19 19:51

      Surf City, use your brain to think next time, not your behind. All those black professionals who are your neighbours are also being taken for a ride just like you. Yes, you are the reason some of us hesitate to join the DA

      Sagin - 2012-06-19 21:02

      @lebeau. before you go off on an emotional tyrade with strong racist tones, read what is written, not what you want to see. what part of 'proportionaly' do you not understand? I am not a member of the da nor do i hate blacks in general. get of your high horse.

  • jaysonpaul.beckwith - 2012-06-19 08:45

    So this means another day off work to stand in a line.

      andrew.mackie.90 - 2012-06-19 12:01

      Please tell me how this will be policed? If I am on holiday away from my home and pulled over and have to produce my drivers licence, how will I prove my home address, will the drivers licence have to now bear my home address? This will then allow for it to be known my home is not occupied and prone to a break in. To my mind this is another stupid law and will fail just like the cell phone one where RICAed sims card are freely available.

  • eyesears.handsfeet - 2012-06-19 08:45

    Once again this will not keep the unlicensed person off the street and once again it is more power to the criminal than to the tax paying individual, because are all the vehicles and licences going to be checked every weekend, when people are moving over the borders continuously, I don't think so! Just another control meganism. And the snake’s head continues to slither.

  • Advocatus.Diabolis - 2012-06-19 08:45

    We all know how the cellphone RICA went...you have guys selling "pre-RICAed" sim cards on every street corner of every city and dorpie... Let me guess, the corrupt licencing officials will be selling "pre-RICAed" licences as well... Wasting peoples time and money!!!

  • shadung.raymond - 2012-06-19 08:46

    ....some people were paying R5 each 2 RICA their sim cards if they had no prove of residence,so it clearly shows dat de system is nt effective!

      manny.dasilva.334 - 2012-06-20 14:05

      Well, i'll charge R10ea to RICA your licence....JOB CREATION

  • FourieGP - 2012-06-19 08:48

    I thin the entire government sits down in the afternoon, having a whiskey or brandy and all of them Synchronize and get brain farts about how they can make life for everyone else difficult.

      denise.ryan.5203 - 2012-06-19 22:50

      To be kind, it smacks of the usual government kneejerk reaction that something must be done, someone having what they think is a brilliant idea to do it, and some suit behind a desk not thinking through all the implications of implementing the brilliant idea. Not to be kind, it is a PR exercise, pure and simple. We will see Rambo flushed with power, on a cosmic ego trip, grand-standing and showing what a fine fellow he is by catching so many criminals. To the cynical mind, it has the unholy stench of an impending totalitarian police state. Part of the insidious progression this Government is making towards total dictatorship and removal of basic human rights. Look at the Media Tribunal Bill and the Protection of Information Act as part of the same package.

  • sibulawa - 2012-06-19 08:52

    So wat hapnd 2 da issue of nt dryvng a code 8 vehicle if u hav a code 10 license!!!!!! Our officials our really confused

  • tom.vorster - 2012-06-19 08:52

    So I must stand in a queue for a several hours at an already inefficient institution and prove to some useless deployed cadre that my residential details are correct, and he/she will of course "ensure" that this information is kept safely.

  • Bzeng - 2012-06-19 08:54

    Is this to a solution to high rate of unemployment from JacobZuma

  • linda.mthembu - 2012-06-19 08:56

    The person that is proposing this must have never been to a scrapyard to see how many people are employed by scrapyards, and how many people are making an honest living selling rebuilds.I myself have been to a scrapyard a couple of time just because a 2nd hand part from scrapyard is way cheaper compared to a brand new one from the Dealer, which sometimes take forever to be delivered.

      thabzmadi - 2012-06-19 09:16

      all too well but as far as I understand, they refer to chasis and not other parts like seats or coils or alternators...etc

      linda.mthembu - 2012-06-19 10:15

      @ Thabz, u won't be allowed to re-register a car that has been written off. I've seen cars written off with not so hectic damages, and people normally buy those and fix. If that is illegal then no one can drive a rebuild.

      Sagin - 2012-06-19 15:59

      the fact is guys, like most of these money making laws, its the poor people who will suffer the most. it will be unaffordable for most south africans to have a licence or own a car. this government does not care about the people, only their own back pockets.

  • amatodzi - 2012-06-19 08:56

    Well thats another opportunity for traffic officials to make lot of money through tjotjo. . . . Lol every second year Car going for road worhty test, lol tjo mst jst enrol for traffic management.

  • Rory James - 2012-06-19 09:00

    Seriously, it took me 3 years to prove to the bank where I live. They better accept my vodacom bill as proof cuz that's all I have delivered to my house in my name.

      pieterr3 - 2012-06-19 10:00

      My point exactly, what about the guys having only post boxes? and do they really thing mail gets delivered to a house in an informal settlement where most of these taxi drivers lives? i go past informal settlements a lot on my bicycle, and 90% of the time i see mail bags emptied next to the road. or under a bush. a get rich quick scheme i think. my other question is, the new driver with temp license, will he only be allowed to pay after he gets his real license, or does he have to pay for the temp one as well as the real thing?

      oistar.tutu - 2012-06-19 10:36

      Agreed. Not even my banking details are sent to my home address anymore. All institutions prefer e-statements nowdays so I get no mail to my address.

  • gerhardus.windpomp - 2012-06-19 09:01

    Who cares. I bought two roadworthy certificates in the last six months.

      anette.smith.16 - 2012-06-19 15:10

      You sound like me. I re new my car license on the printer and my drivers license on the scanner. What a load of crock!!!!!

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-06-19 19:53

      Aah, and the very minute you moan about how corrupt SA when you are the corruptee

  • catgirl1971 - 2012-06-19 09:02

    Wat 'n klomp bollie!!!!

  • david.phillips.583234 - 2012-06-19 09:02

    Big brother can kiss my backside, what next? Wearing GPS devices?

  • mark.singh.9889 - 2012-06-19 09:04

    But will the authorities be able to enforce all these rules? Once again taxis will not be required to adhere to any of these rules.

  • poloyatonkim - 2012-06-19 09:04

    What is the point to of this?

      jeffrey.harmesson - 2012-06-19 09:55

      You're assuming there is one?

  • Ludwig - 2012-06-19 09:04

    Fix the problem with your staff who is to lazy to do a address changes. That is why you have my wrong address!!!

  • cyanideandhappiness - 2012-06-19 09:05

    Enough already! The only reason the government has to implement these kind of systems is because of fraud opportunities created by the corrupt government in the first damn place!!! And now we must suffer?!

  • Klippies - 2012-06-19 09:05

    So, some will have to wait for their licenses while the rest will just buy an instant license like usual?

  • alex.x.botha - 2012-06-19 09:05

    Once again another money making scheme for our amazing government...

  • annelie.roux1 - 2012-06-19 09:05

    WHAT IF YOU WORK ABROAD FOR A FEW YEARS? DOES THIS MEAN THAT YOU WON'T HAVE A VALID DRIVERS LICENCE ANYMORE? THIS IS JUST ADDING FUEL TO ALREADY EXHAUSTED CITIZENS.

  • tracey.erasmus.92 - 2012-06-19 09:06

    Copying UK I see...... only difference is all vehicles need to be roadworth'd every year

      Don.Tandy - 2012-06-19 11:07

      and the UK has sytems and procedures that work, unlike the chaos that reigns here.

      johan.esterhuizen.589 - 2012-06-19 13:23

      they are planning on doing it every 2 years in SA now

  • kgaugelo.cassius - 2012-06-19 09:09

    The goverment is on the wrong track. Is that hw mr president cratin jobs?

      Sagin - 2012-06-19 16:05

      the anc does not care about jobs, only about increasing their own wealth. if this goes ahead thousands of jobs will be lost and the majority of south africans will not be able to afford a set of wheels.

  • Nectarios - 2012-06-19 09:10

    Why not take DNA Samples aswell while you're at it?? Infact, take a finger off and give them one. Or will they want more than just that?? - LOL What a Flippen joke. Always something to suck us all dry.

      Sagin - 2012-06-19 16:10

      to suck us dry and to gain total control. the anc wants to know everything about everyone so that when phase two kicks in, they have all the information to remove any and all threats to them. the anc plans to rule with an iron fist! This is a dictatorship and the poor fools who vote for the anc will suffer the most.

  • mark.haupt.31 - 2012-06-19 09:10

    Another grand idea thought up whilst sitting around drinking vintage scotch with no thought of how it's to be implemented, or maintained. Really want to see this system running in a country where taxis are exempt from everything, large numbers of the population have no fixed addresses, or income, and local authorities continue changing the names of places. Sounds like another e-tolls farce to me.

      Nukki - 2012-06-19 09:57

      this government just can't see the concequens of their actions, as usuas

      pieterr3 - 2012-06-19 10:10

      Yep, and the name changes, will make a person change address three times, whilst still staying in the same house. how fast can they change the address on your license then? in Pretoria they should ask for GPS co-ordinates, not address, just to make sure the guy moved or not.

      russell.w.wright.5 - 2012-06-26 06:05

      Dude.....it doesnt have to work....as long as somebodys making money from it. Preferably a struggle buddy and his/her family, relatives, ancestors etc etc etc.

  • MefrouwPoefparra - 2012-06-19 09:11

    Jeez, how on earth did these morons get into government? Oh yes, they were voted in by the voters. Mzanzi, for sure! Africa, for sure!

  • attie.snyders - 2012-06-19 09:11

    Are these old taxis also going to be tested every 2nd year, or will they pay for proof of test? These taxi drivers must also Rica!? Ag komaan we all know how the traffic dept work. Tjo tjo and you can get a drivers licence for your grandma who passed away in 1900. Ja South africa. Please get AARTo working first!

  • Walter Lamza Mogano - 2012-06-19 09:12

    I don't know if this is proposed but I can tell u when registering my car in February they said I must come with affidavit from my landlord since my address on their system is limpopo, his certified I'd, and proof of water and lights that shows the address. That's a full RiCA so this proposed law is already in place. So ppl who buy smashed cars and sell them to individuals will be unemployed and start stealing again. This government hai I rest my case

  • Lauden Kirk - 2012-06-19 09:13

    You idiots. 1st world laws in 3rd class society

  • tdshezi - 2012-06-19 09:13

    Introduce stringent measures only if you have proper monitoring and evaluation tools and resources in place. Otherwise the whole system will become a sham and a mockery.

  • IcemanGP - 2012-06-19 09:18

    This is jus so they know where to send the fines .... SO much for FREEDOM, when you have none.

  • nxumaloj - 2012-06-19 09:19

    Law abiding citizens are being crucified here, the next move will be to tag drivers with tracking devices. Rica system is not working in cell phones, same will apply where ricared documents will be bought over the counter.what are u trying to do here, increase revenue of the state through drawling law abiding citizens. Come on where is logic and priorities, improve roads conditions, develop systems and strategic approach to reduce road accidents, regulate or have some means of controlling public transport specially taxi industry. Once u win on the latter than let's think of other meaningful contribution that drivers may add value on in road environment.

      Sagin - 2012-06-19 16:17

      its about taking every cent they can and control. The anc is a real and present danger to every south african, of every age and every colour. wake up south africa and get rid of them while you still can!

  • nxumaloj - 2012-06-19 09:19

    Law abiding citizens are being crucified here, the next move will be to tag drivers with tracking devices. Rica system is not working in cell phones, same will apply where ricared documents will be bought over the counter.what are u trying to do here, increase revenue of the state through drawling law abiding citizens. Come on where is logic and priorities, improve roads conditions, develop systems and strategic approach to reduce road accidents, regulate or have some means of controlling public transport specially taxi industry. Once u win on the latter than let's think of other meaningful contribution that drivers may add value on in road environment.

      phathanani.mathobela.5 - 2012-06-19 09:41

      Wat a rigourious exercise, i can imagine the traffic jam leading to d so called 'rica' centre on d deadline days!

  • Louise - 2012-06-19 09:21

    Yeah right - "Dear Government, just place micro chips (trackers) under our skin, cause its heading that way now"

  • arthur.hugh - 2012-06-19 09:22

    I would like to see Government queue up in Stikland, or wait at testing centers to roadworthy their vehicles. What a joke, there's no infrastructure NOW how do they expect the entire driving population to do this every two years, it will be MAYHEM. Don't forget fleets from companies?! What a load of BS.

  • kaMazibuko - 2012-06-19 09:23

    This is good, people won't accumulate traffic fines and not know about it and also the guys who do hit n runs...we'll catch u.....it's really stupid to say we wont welcome amendments like these coz taxis wont comply... why dont we strike against taxi drivers and cops for being lenient on them ?

      zweli.chopiso - 2012-06-19 10:13

      Sihle maybe u r on the gravy train. that is why ol is well 2 u.This government is led by stupid ppl who always want 2 ruin the economy of this country ,where did they copy that somewhere. each and every year we truck drivers we renew prdp and hazchem which both of them azivelanga as u think. now u afford to buy nu cars and want us to throw ours away. ol these stupid laws affects the poor ppl. and u perpetrate crime...

  • Bosvark Van Rensburg - 2012-06-19 09:24

    We must also stand together and say no to proposals like this. Every time they cast, we always bite. lets stand together and say NO!

      timmy.ditsele - 2012-06-19 14:17

      sOME ONE WITH A SOLUTION SINCE I STARTED READIND THE COMMENTS. BRAVO BRO BRAVO

  • jmasha3 - 2012-06-19 09:26

    What exactly is our government trying to achieve?Is this going to help to reduce unempolyment,corruption,crime and accidents?sounds like the scrapyards and panelbeaters will close shops here and we all know wht this means.

  • kagiso.j.mashishi - 2012-06-19 09:29

    Mxm mara keng tse?

  • johnathon.masters - 2012-06-19 09:30

    Excellent idea as drivers on the road will hopefully become competent and understand rules of road. Must apply to taxis, truck and bus drivers as they cause most of the carnage on the roads. Yet to see if taxi, truck and bus drivers will wait 4 years until they can operate commercially. Will obviously continue to buy their licenses. Also like computerized testing. System should have been introduced years ago.

      Airsoftza - 2012-06-19 09:55

      This is how etoll will be paid (Thus solving the Billing issue), Direct link to you and you having a License. See a Puzzle piece

  • Jason - 2012-06-19 09:32

    Just another way the government is looking to destroy the economy some more. They preach job creation then move to kill the scrap yard industry. I predict a huge price hike on the already overpriced new vehicle sector.

  • jmasha3 - 2012-06-19 09:32

    What exactly is our government trying to achieve?Is this going to help to reduce unempolyment,corruption,crime and accidents?sounds like the scrapyards and panelbeaters will close shops here and we all know wht this means.What's next?applying for travel permit to tour in Mpumalanga.

  • Gavin - 2012-06-19 09:36

    the government wants to know everything about you for that when they come for you in the night. you can't trust a government that fears/ignores the will of the people. our democracy is under pressure as the cANCer party begins to lose its grip on power, considering how much they love the chinese government, it wouldn't surprise me if we became another 'african' democracy.

  • olebogeng.diratsagae - 2012-06-19 09:37

    LOL

  • MefrouwPoefparra - 2012-06-19 09:37

    So you must have a fixed address to have a legal drivers licence? The stupidity of this government is unbelievable. But they were voted for by the voters, which make the voters even more moronic.

      ntshembolloyd.shibambu - 2012-06-19 10:04

      'very lol' dad by laughter

      edward.madonsela - 2012-06-19 10:36

      Yes the Gov we voted for,deprive us our rights, it means now the people who lives in skwata camps will not get a drivers license as they don't have address to use for them they need to bribe those who have valid address to get a driving license,crime is the way up