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Dumped bones that of white man - cops

2012-07-23 21:20

Bloemfontein - The human bones found at a landfill site near Virginia in the Free State in 2007 are those of a white man, police said on Monday.

Warrant Officer Malebo Khosana said he was thought to have been between the ages of 31 and 73.

An anthropology report by the University of Pretoria, which also supplied police with a face reconstruction of the victim, had helped narrow down the origin of the bones, he said.

Police had issued a sketch of the victim.

Khosana said the cause and time of his death were still unknown.

The bones were discovered at the Phomolong dumping site by scavengers on 20 March 2007.

Police found several bones, including a skull, arm, and thigh, covered with a brown sleeping bag.

It was determined that the bones had been dumped there by a refuse truck bringing rubbish from Ventersburg.

Comments
  • Trent Hodges - 2012-07-23 21:39

    31-73? Wow our CSI team is awesome

      sharon.erwin.96 - 2012-07-23 21:45

      you're right, Trent - that REALLY narrows it down! I wonder if it will take another 5 years to determine the cause of death?

      gregory.jurgens - 2012-07-23 21:50

      Awesome Trent.

      Squeegee - 2012-07-24 07:17

      If you think that forensic science can do everything in 50 minutes and still have time for advertising you are either under 15 or stupid. Watching TV does not make you an expert. These shows have created a false expectation - even with juries in USA courts.

      martin.britchford.5 - 2012-07-24 07:30

      cause of death, lack of flesh

      martin.britchford.5 - 2012-07-24 07:32

      Police had issued a sketch of the victim....wtf hahahahaha

      mark.higgens.9 - 2012-07-24 07:51

      Yes Sharon and in 5 years time the cause of death will be listed as natural as he would have been +-78 by then!!! :)

  • gregory.jurgens - 2012-07-23 21:43

    Wtf . That's racist, why mention race , dead is dead. We all African . When white farmers are murdered race of the perpetrators is not mentioned . This is a deliberate plot to ruin the image of the new South Africa.

      gotterdammerung.sa - 2012-07-23 21:58

      Huh? What image? That of the country that has one of the highest violent death rates without actually being in an official state of war? That of a country where more money is stolen from the public purse than is actually spent on the legitimate expenses of the government? The country that has one of the highest sexual predation figures in the world? I don't think the image can be tarnished more if you tackled it with tar and feathers. And what is up with idiotic racist comment? Were you short of ideas?

      nico.vandermerwe.54 - 2012-07-23 22:31

      Well... Not really. If you live in Ventersburg and have been missing a white male relative, you may have a clue, whereas if you miss a black female, you better keep looking. Logic, not racist.

      tommo.too - 2012-07-24 01:27

      @Nico. If you're missing a black female she just got married to Zuma...

  • millionwatts1 - 2012-07-23 21:51

    Between the ages of 31 and 73? That really narrows it down!

      nico.vandermerwe.54 - 2012-07-23 22:25

      Yip! Could have saved 5 years if they just took it as fully grown.

  • george.pito - 2012-07-23 22:01

    Maybe gregory jurgens knows more about this

  • george.pito - 2012-07-23 22:11

    Dont know why this Gregory so obsessed with this case. Check the response few minutes and a new response without anybody commenting.

  • jim.binnie.1 - 2012-07-23 23:00

    Is this real??? Bones found in 2007? This is 2012!!! Aged between 31 and 73 - not much difference - I am 71 and wishing for 31!! News 24 - get real and start reporting on the realities of 2012. Where is the news value in this historical report???

  • steward.mcfreed - 2012-07-23 23:49

    How do white men bones look like are they white? how about the black men's bones are they black? Its not good not be educated about human bones you know. I did know white men's bones resemble the colour of their skin so as the black men.Since the human flesh was already of the bones how did you know the bones belonged to a white man? If its not about the colour hmm..?

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-07-24 01:02

      There are differences and it's not just skin colour.

      Vicker - 2012-07-24 08:00

      Thickness of skull bone...

      gail.hayesbean - 2012-07-24 11:15

      Generally, bones can be determined as Caucasian or predominantly have characteristics which medical science have discovered means they are those of whites or Negroid or Asian. Structurally our skeletons are different in subtle ways and of course the ethnicity makes a difference when all you have found is bones. If there is hair attached the may be DNA or even the marrow in the bones might yield a match to a missing person. The fact that the bones came from Ventersburg does not necessarily mean the person actually came from there, merely that he died there. He may have been dumped in Ventersburg or made his way there and died of exposure because he was homeless. Publishing the information may lead to someone reading it and bringing closure to a family who have been wondering what happened to someone they have been missing as well as to the police.

  • Erna - 2012-07-24 01:29

    Its taken them 5 years to determine that he was white and that is all they know! There's a huge gap between being aged between 31 and 73! Can they really not judge his age more accurately?

  • peter.fraser.92754 - 2012-07-24 02:55

    What is the difference between white people and black people if we were all created equal? How come they have different bone structures? I mean, how the heck do they tell the difference in bones? Does not make sense.Is there an explanation out there? Serious answers please.

      dee.980 - 2012-07-24 03:32

      Google e.g. "forensic anthropology race" ... This site gives some criteria for how educated guesses are based on facio-cranial structures etc: http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/articles/pages/6243/Forensic-Anthropology-and-Race.html There is an Art-Science that does total facial reconstructions based on skull bone 'bumps'/point of ligament and muscle attachments. But this article reminds me of that fabulous Herman Charles Bosman story- 'Unto Dust' (?) - about a family troubled to find they could not decide which white skeleton was the Oom's and which white skeleton was his black companions.... Very funny but poignant comment about our society.

      melania.nel - 2012-07-24 06:59

      Yes try google. You wil find a load of answers to that. And its not only blacks and whites that have differences. Lots of other races have small differences. We don't all have blue eyes or black hair. Why should bones be different. We are of the same species and all our psysiology work the same. You can give blood to a chinese, european or african etc.

  • phelejoseph.lenonyane - 2012-07-24 03:33

    I wonder why it took so long for SAPS to get the origin of the bones!? It's because police forensic lab doesn't have proffesionals to do the job or equipments necessary?Is this research done by students at Tukkies hence the huge age gap(31 - 73)-guess work!!? Do our SAPS watch programmes like Medical Detectives to learn about new ways of doing forensic detectives/collecting evidences when solving crimes scenes issues? It looks like we still have a long way to go here, very long way indeed!!

  • sisie.indola - 2012-07-24 07:58

    Throwing the race card is an election ploy. It will always work because the indigenous people are so petrified of the whites taking over again, that they will suffer all the ills of no services delivery, non education, non health, no water (sorry government have already put out the tender to supply fresh water and it is worth billions - they are just waiting for more acid mine water to enter the river systems, so that it will make them unsalvageable probably not a word, but good enough), no electricity. The image of the rainbow nation is just a farce, and it hasn't been destroyed - it never existed.

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