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E-toll users must accept new terms

2012-04-24 13:08

Johannesburg - Consumers who have already registered for e-tolling must accept new terms and conditions, Sanral said on Tuesday.

They will not have to re-register, but must nevertheless contact the call centre, visit Sanral's website, or log onto their personal e-tolling accounts in order to accept the new conditions.

The amended terms and conditions were issued just one week before the proposed commencement of e-tolling on Gauteng highways.

This was because of public concerns regarding the previous terms and conditions, Sanral said.

Several new clauses had been added.

The terms and conditions now stated only applied as allowed by the law, including the Consumer Protection Act.

Don’t have to disclose bank details

E-toll users could end an agreement at any time and Sanral had to inform users at least 40 calendar days before any change to e-tolling is introduced.

When reasonable or required by law, this notification period could be shortened.

Consumers were able to pay e-toll fees without disclosing their banking details, the changed conditions explained.

Statements and invoices were available at no charge from Sanral's website, by e-mail, or at e-toll customer service outlets. A reasonable fee is charged to provide invoices and statements by post or fax.

Sanral could increase the grace period for users to pay their toll fees, to consumers' benefit.

New clauses list all the charges e-toll users might have to pay, and state where and when consumers can get details of toll charges.

Sanral had also clarified that it would only request consumer contact details from other companies if it was unable to contact the user with the information already provided.

"We can only do this where it is allowed by law," it said.

Sanral may only contact users for matters related to the e-tolling agreement and not for marketing or any other purposes.

Claims against Sanral

It would not charge for tolls if the vehicle or e-tag was reported stolen and vehicles can be removed from e-toll accounts at any time.

Sanral removed a clause which suggested users would have to prove that toll fees were incorrect.

"You can raise a dispute, query or complaint at any time. Even after you have paid," Sanral said.

These could be raised in various ways, including the National Consumer Commission.

E-toll accounts could not be suspended without giving warning. If accounts were incorrectly suspended, consumers might have claims against Sanral.

Users would not be stopped from using toll roads if their accounts were suspended. Their accounts would not become dormant after one year.

New clauses also ensure Sanral's liability has been limited and excluded in a way which is fair and reasonable, Sanral said.

Comments
  • Kala - 2012-04-24 13:13

    I see they are already starting to make unilateral changes. How long before we see a headline " E-toll users must pay the new toll price increase." If the terms and conditions were changed a week ago then according to SANRAL'S agreement they have to give 40 calender days notice. Let's park turds on the highways. The stink will be the same as SANRAL'S bull schitt

      Kala - 2012-04-24 13:19

      This sort of talk sounds like that of a dictatorship. Could Malema have possibly been right????

      Greg - 2012-04-24 13:40

      This e-toll thing is simply never going to work, there is just way too much opposition, and too many things SANRAL have just not contemplated!!

      Kala - 2012-04-24 13:45

      Dear SANRAL My terms and conditions are the same as Philemons

      Jason - 2012-04-24 13:48

      The real story. http://toxinews.blogspot.com/2012/04/sanral-from-australian-newspaper-on.html

      Mike - 2012-04-24 13:58

      @Anthony: I have been told that part of the stinking agreement is that you also agree to ALL future changes in the terms and conditions. Don't sign!

      Martin - 2012-04-24 14:12

      Kala a dictatorship only works if people listen, this isnt north africa, the government will have a war on their hands faster than they can say 7th wife....black and white wont stand for it, this country has seen far too much already

      Sheik - 2012-04-24 17:20

      Malema has insider info.

  • Bryan - 2012-04-24 13:14

    What a f**kin cheek!! There is just no end to the arrogance of these bastards!!!!

      carpejugulim - 2012-04-24 13:30

      lol nothing like moving the goal posts and forcing people to accept the new terms and conditions ... sommer just like that

      spartanx93 - 2012-04-24 13:31

      The government has used government pensions to finance the toll. So they will do what ever they can to ensure they are getting a return. I say stuff them and let the toll fail. All those official can loose their pensions! I don't give a cr@p about them anymore!

      cnduplessis - 2012-04-24 13:52

      I work as a paramedic for government...paying tax etc etc! Now they want et(r)ol? After squandering my pension money which I pay for every month-was I asked if my pension money can be used(no!)???? Arrogance! Wondering if the impact of a fire engine could destroy an et(r)ol overhang....

      Martin - 2012-04-24 14:01

      cnduplessis, sounds like you have a case right there!!

      Bryan - 2012-04-24 16:01

      @cnduplessis.. I wonder if any civil servants were asked if their life savings may be used for this blatant highway robbery... dirty bastards.

      barry.dogg.fritz - 2012-04-24 17:31

      i wonder if someone can lodge a civil claim against the goverment for money laundering , using peoples pension funds with out consulting the members

  • Koos - 2012-04-24 13:14

    ... and in a year or so they MUST except the new tariffs as well.

      Alan - 2012-04-24 13:19

      exactly!!! Have SANRAL oR the GOVT ever given us a reason to trust them??

      Alan - 2012-04-24 13:30

      oh look .. I got a thumbs down! Just goes to show that someody from SANRAL can read!

      Jason - 2012-04-24 13:47

      lol @ alan

  • Johannvw13 - 2012-04-24 13:14

    Serves you right ! You wanted to register now deal with this BS.. You the people have to power, do not register for E-Toll

      Rohin - 2012-04-25 10:04

      amen to that. Get e-tagged, get screwed.

  • wbrummer1989 - 2012-04-24 13:14

    Strike Strike strike...... thats our T&C

  • antoinette.jordaan - 2012-04-24 13:15

    Where can we see the terms and conditions to comment?

      Alan - 2012-04-24 13:21

      on a roll of toilet paper.

      morne.deklerk - 2012-04-24 13:45

      @Alan, almost spit out my coffee LMAO

      antoinette.jordaan - 2012-04-24 14:52

      Serious cover your @ss stuff that.........nothing's their fault, everything is yours.........but, it does not really cover anything on alternative users.

      Sheik - 2012-04-24 17:24

      Alan only after it's been used.

      SaintBruce - 2012-04-24 22:46

      An alternative user - the newest category added on Friday 13th - is actually the one with the MOST rights! These are called civil rights. Sanral have to prove you used the road. Sanral have to bill you Sanral have to do some work! Due to this they have set a rip off rate but they will not be able to trace at least 30% of motorists who just use the roads and don't bother to pay. JMPD can only collect about 10% of traffic infringements so what chance does Sanral have? The judicial system is already a mess so any form of anarchy is likely to jam up everything. The easier option is to avoid the roads, give Sanral no room to chase you and starve them of an income they SO DESPERATELY need [why else would Treasury stand with them in court - makes you think the rabbit hole is VERY DEEP] I am still unhappy with the T's & C's on their website. And the moment they create unfair exemptions - like taxi's - we have a constitutional right not to be discriminated against, especially by an organ of the State! What's good for one, is good for all. All pay or All Free! Which do you prefer?

      Arthur - 2012-04-25 10:01

      Absolutely SaintBruce - I wonder if Safricans can stop being complacent this time and actually stand together for once? If everyone boycotts SANRAL they WILL collapse and the next corrupt bunch of thugs who bed government will think twice in future, because "Those SAfricans don't take things lying down". If we become complacent and just whine about it they'll be the ones laughing. Make us proud Gauteng!

  • Shirley - 2012-04-24 13:16

    This is such a waste of time,money and energy! [out of the poor taxpayers coffers of course]Just more red tape to be bungled by the ill equpped idiots who they will employ! Shameful!

  • Sulette Behnke - 2012-04-24 13:16

    That's why I won't register ! They can change their policies as they wish. No way

      raath - 2012-04-24 14:20

      Also, if you are registered and something goes wrong with their billing, you have to prove your innocence. But if you are not registered, they must prove your guilt. Legally, in this case, you are better off not registering.

  • Tuco - 2012-04-24 13:16

    Traitors who have already registered for e-tolling must accept new terms and conditions, Sanral said on Tuesday. I hope Scamral doubles their fees after the descount phase is over. They already have your details in their database so even if you want to protest then you are still screwed.

      JaredVN - 2012-04-24 13:40

      @Customdesign - we as taxpayers have paid for the freeways many times by means of our personal taxes, petrol levies, VAT etc in the past. You are not only a traitor to your fellow taxpayers, but an idiot for voluntarily handing over your money to the criminal government. But, being a fool, you and your money will soon be parted, retard.

      Irene - 2012-04-24 13:40

      customdesign ~ It is people like you that make me shake my head in absolutely horror because of how simple you are. Just another sheep. baaaah baaaah baaaah. Pathetic! Actually no, not pathetic, BEYOND PATHETIC! Hang your head in shame.

      Martin - 2012-04-24 13:53

      custom design, if i wanna spray you with a hose pipe and tell you to go be an anc somewhere else!

      Tuco - 2012-04-24 14:04

      @customdesign You are probably trying to stir some s!@t up but in case you are serious, in a real democracy the govt listens to the people and not the other way round. When a govt becomes a rogue entity that starts screwing its people and stealing from them THAT, sir is NO longer a democracy. We are fighting for a cause here and you are basically saying you are a traitor and a sell-out to that cause. Paying for the same thing 3 times willingly is akin to voluntary sodomy and basically, that is what you are saying we must do. Then you, scanral and the govt can go screw yourselves.

      William - 2012-04-24 14:47

      Not going to get many likes, but it has to be said. I think people are underestimating government resolve and are not seeing the big picture of why they won't look at other means of payment. In essence they have dug them self a very deep hole. SANRAL has to pay that loan back or else SA State institutions takes a big credit rating knock. That affects our currency and will increase the cost of lending money from the international market. If government pays back the loan on SANRAL behalf, it would still constitute as a bail out still damaging SA credit rating. Remember those Swiss or who ever paid a lot of money for this model. Who ever does not understand the impact of this and thinks "they deserve it" does not quite realize the knock on affect. See that repo rate which is at the lowest level in decades. Its making your monthly loan repayments a a lot less then it could of been. A weaker currency, higher lending rates and higher projects cost will all result in a higher government repo rate. Your inflationary concerns regarding E-tolling will look like nothing compared to the impact this would have. My point is that the government has really dropped the ball but i have to agree that the best way for all of us is to pay the damm toll fees. If we don't, well tolling will be the least of my issues. Am i happy about it? F no, but i made it clear with my vote that i feel the ANC are unfit to lead. 65% of the votes disagreed with my opinion...i guess we reap what we sow. VIVA

      Nosiphom - 2012-04-24 16:52

      William, I agree that they have painted themselves into a corner, but maybe we should bite the bullet, not pay e-tolls and see what comes. Or they make us a very good offer that we are willing to pay. In Nigeria they fought against the dropping of subsidies and won, at the expense of something else, and so did the Doctors in Kenya. Lets sacrifice something else and win at least one battle. My observation is that 30 cents is the lowest they can go otherwise the costs of collecting would be much higher than what they get from the tolls - tough!

      Arthur - 2012-04-25 10:13

      William I disagree completely - we have been bailing out parasites like Eskom and others with no major repercussion to our economy for years now, Sanral will be no different regardless of how it goes down. Sanral is nothing compared to the corrupt arms deal (funny - same sources from Austria) and far less damaging that Nationalising the mines or introducing the secrecy act. What DOES need to change is our typical South African complacency. We need to send a strong message to government that we will no longer tolerate being left paying the bill for their corrupt mismanagement and ineptitude. Boycotting Sanral is the BEST option for us as a nation, it will also give us more of a sense of comradery and the next corrupt bunch will think twice about screwing over South Africans - because we're a tough bunch who bite back.

      William - 2012-04-25 13:25

      Hugh, to be honest i am completely cynical about the matter. You mention no serious repercussions and Eskom in the same sentence? Remember the 35% year on year increase plus the future possible threat of load shedding. I remember everyone was adamant about that one also, yet it still happened and is happening....don't see many news articles about that one. Do we have such a short attention span? You say "We need to send a strong message to government that we will no longer tolerate being left paying the bill for their corrupt mismanagement and ineptitude. Boycotting Sanral is the BEST option for us as a nation, it will also give us more of a sense of comradery and the next corrupt bunch will think twice about screwing over South Africans" I would of thought that this would be achieved through voting? I presume when you say this, you are including all of South Africa, which includes COSATU, the taxi unions and even the ANCYL. Our attidute has been, if you are against the toll roads you are for you. However, even after all this sh*t, I challenge you to go up to your average COSATU, Taxi driver or you average voter and ask will you still vote ANC? Based on trends 60%+ will say yes, it’s my duty. Am I wrong? So in essence our message is…you can F*ck up our education, waste BILLIONS in arms deals and other illegal tenders, pollute my water, over charge for my electricity….but DON’T YOU DARE TOLL ME ON THE N1 Is that your united front?

  • Jason - 2012-04-24 13:16

    The next step they going to implement is that you won't be able to renew your car license until you have paid your E-tolls just like with fines. Anyways expect some consumer inflation (esp food prices) in Gauteng sometime end of May as a result of e-tolls and petrol price increases. For those already living on the breadline, goodluck.

      Anakin - 2012-04-24 13:51

      You can renew your vehicle's license disk for three years in advance. Ie pay for three years now, so it only expires in 2015 or even 2016. Then SANRAL can't do anything.

      Mike - 2012-04-24 14:03

      @Anakin: Can we really do that? They seem so disorganised at my local licencing department that it takes three visits and eight forms just to pay for ONE year. I would really confuse them if I wanted to pay more.

      Johan - 2012-04-24 14:12

      They cannot do this it is not part of licence department and they can go jump in the lake

      Clive.D.Buckley - 2012-04-25 07:52

      Anyway, so what if they do... if nobody pays e-tolls, then nobody will be able to get a license disk for their car, so every vehicle in gauteng will be unlicensed... they cannot police that... besides, that would be even more revenue they would lose!!!! It is time for people to stand up and say NO to this government of thieves!!!!

  • barend.wasserman - 2012-04-24 13:17

    Will vehicles from Botswana, Namibia, Swaziland, Lesotho, and all other visitors also face exemption? Show me how these people are going to pay up?

      David - 2012-04-24 13:49

      And all the copper trucks that come down from Zambia?

      Martin - 2012-04-24 13:55

      let the copper trucks come:) i can help them load

      Irene - 2012-04-24 15:08

      Martin ~ LOL! Good one.

  • Alan - 2012-04-24 13:18

    So SANRAL have changed their story YET AGAIN. Last thing I heard was that the Wally's who have registered would automatically adopt the new terms and conditions as they would not be prejudiced. But then again - SANRAL is in a flat spin a th moment - they are desperately trying to defend their actions, be legally compliant, and get people to register for extortion. It's kinda like watching a rocket self destruct.

      Alf - 2012-04-24 20:12

      Has anybody looked into Alli's background? He sounds like the owner of a SPAZA shop "Those who do not register will not enjoy the discounts!" I wonder if there is a link between him and honest Mac Maharaj. He had previous experience with his Mac and Mo show!

  • Tawizee - 2012-04-24 13:21

    Blah, blah, blah...I'm not paying!

  • Anita - 2012-04-24 13:21

    What a load of Bulls*&%, no one knows what the F*&% is going on they are a bunch of morons! This will carry on forever!

  • johan.landman - 2012-04-24 13:22

    People must watch out, they suppose to charge you R0.10 when you register and pay with credit card, and the actual transaction on your Credit Card Statement is R1.00. So they are stealing 90cents from every person who registers.....

      Marion - 2012-04-24 13:29

      @johan - how do you know?

      Kala - 2012-04-24 16:00

      Johan????

      Sheik - 2012-04-24 17:51

      Now only need the Banks to stop their card holders from paying tolls with their cards because of admin, that would sink Sanral in seconds.

      Sheik - 2012-04-24 17:54

      Johan is right transaction fees are presently charged when using Garage Cards at tolls. Check your statement.

  • Sulette Behnke - 2012-04-24 13:22

    I'd like to know. What about people in debt review cases? What would they do? I mean here they are, every cent is accounted for and they need to get to work in order to keep up with arrangements. Will E-toll begin a credit review devision? Take down payments ? Won't they just have an additional debt to cover? How can you possibly expect people to pay the new petrol price and register to be billed with another life long debt? This is not R500 a month for a benefit like dstv?! It's R500 a month to use a road in a country you work for! What about pensioners doing casual work? Students going to varsity? People who just started working? People who need daily routes to hospitals to treat diseases? They're mad! I'll never contribute to such a communistic scheme. And no one should be forced too.

      SaintBruce - 2012-04-24 22:58

      By 'gathering' your day's toll usage[supposedly] but not billing each pass under a gantry on it's own, is SANRAL actually extending CREDIT? Your point about students, pensioners, first job folks who have not been paid yet or the 16 Million unbanked people [yes many have cars but live on cash] is very relevant. To add to your cost to get to work and home again is just plain ludicrous! It is actually an insult to the citizens of this country and this system must not be allowed to work or every other economic hub will be ruined in the same way. How on earth can any vehicle rental business manage it's business model if they have no idea where the renter will drive and will only know the cost of the deal after the renter returns the vehicle. Remember, the hire contract is based on a daily fee with km's used. There is no room for e-Tolls that will show up later! Tourists will dispute any credit card deductions above the daily rate. Must they absorb what could be more than their daily charge and go out of business? This is a dumb system aimed at what our dear Government thinks are dumb citizens.

      Arthur - 2012-04-25 10:32

      Well said, both of you. We didn't have any power over governments decision to bail out the likes of Eskom and other parasites but this time South Africans have a great opportunity to fight back in the most simplistic manner - by boycotting. Other roads will become more congested but if everyone knows WHY and they're all "in it together" honk, smile, thumbs up and laugh at Sanral as they collapse. If we take it up the rear they'll keep on doing it, this time we have a chance to send a message - mess with us again and you could lose billions - "...remember Sanral"?

  • Robert - 2012-04-24 13:25

    "New clauses also ensure Sanral's liability has been limited and excluded in a way which is fair and reasonable, Sanral said." Fair and Reasonable for who???? certainly not the public. We should not be left with this extra credit burden.

  • Piet - 2012-04-24 13:26

    Give us that whole document that you so blatantly blacked out that you gave to Vavi so that we can see which fatcats thought they are going to make money out of us!

      Pieter - 2012-04-24 14:20

      Check my post just before yours. This is criminal

      Kala - 2012-04-24 16:02

      Piet, Pieter, Pieterest.

  • Nathi - 2012-04-24 13:34

    Kiss my ass SANRAL!!!!

      Adrian - 2012-04-24 14:24

      You Got it Wrong SCAMRAL can KISS my TOLLGATE

  • Phillys - 2012-04-24 13:35

    Nazir Alli-(baba and the 40 thieves), you can stand on your greasy head and whistle Dixey out your sphincter but i am not and will never pay your toll fees, ever!! Burn the illegal Gantries to the ground!!! Enough ANC arrogance already. who do these ar*eholes think they are?

      skyetor - 2012-04-24 19:23

      What do you mean already??? they have been arrogant all along and to make matters worse, they have continued to get away with it - i hope this is the proverbial straw that breaks the camels back!!

      rhodgkiss - 2012-04-24 19:54

      Don't burn them...sell the gantries to scrap metal dealers :-)

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-04-24 21:01

      That is a pretty sharp observation, Phyllys! From Arabian nights? Open Sesame? Must say, I like your winterbottom picture on that BM. You related to that Winterbottom pilot who crashed the Impala near Monument Park? "E-toll users must accept new terms" Very Nazi-like would you agree? So Nazi(r) and Alli-baba and the 40 thieves (the ANC) strike again. Lucky my wallet isn't called sesame. Mind you, its almost the same, the way these guys are ripping us off.

  • WTF - 2012-04-24 13:36

    Panral se Soes!!!!!!

  • Jeffrey - 2012-04-24 13:37

    seems they are living in their own world ! do whatever they want with no brain!

  • Martin - 2012-04-24 13:38

    NO E-TAG, om nom nom nom man this popcorn is good, needs more vaseline and salt dont forget to rub salt in there

      Irene - 2012-04-24 13:43

      Check out customdesign's comment at 13:34. Makes me puke!

      Martin - 2012-04-24 13:46

      now that we have you over a barrel, hows about you pay us 10c a km, we will issue sanral a statement monthly with 2 weeks to pay, and you dont have to disclose your bank details. how many people here actually listen when told they "must" ...call me immature, truth is i am.

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-04-24 13:39

    Well said Martin lets all stand together and show them.

  • Nosiphom - 2012-04-24 13:41

    "Sanral could increase the grace period for users to pay their toll fees, to consumers' benefit." First sign of cracks forming guys. NO TAGS NO TAGS - the crack will widen!

      Alan - 2012-04-24 13:55

      Yeah - you could call Scumall the Crack Squad

  • Stlouis Heidtmann - 2012-04-24 13:44

    @customdesign you are giving your money to the corrupt so that jacob can marry his 100th wife and old nathi gets a couple of houses to put walls around you ignorant fool

      Aubrey - 2012-04-24 14:27

      For as long we are still under the leadership of Mr Zuma nothing surprise me anymore,just wake to learn of worst everyday, corruption,our education system failing, law enforcement they do as they wish, health is a mess,what else can shock us anymore( Malema suspended of saying the truth)I'm afraid!!!

  • Brad.Kopping - 2012-04-24 13:44

    I'm so happy i never bought an etag xD never will either!! they can go kiss the darkest part of my a**!

  • Nosiphom - 2012-04-24 13:45

    Why are foreign registered vehicles exempt? There are many trucks from Malawi, Zambia, Mozambique, even the DRC running up and down the R21? Why are they exempt ? If the fuel levy system was used as the payment vehicle, they would not have escaped!!

      msalim002 - 2012-04-24 15:00

      Hey A loop hole right guys ... Slap on a foreign plate when passing through the tolls...LOLOLOLOL

  • Paul - 2012-04-24 13:49

    YOU SEE > WTF !!! What a joke !!!

  • glenyso2 - 2012-04-24 13:53

    This sounds like a Bazaar, what is this barganing - 2 cents for a bunch of bananas, no three...............come on!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Warwick - 2012-04-24 13:53

    NO TERMS, NO CONDITIONS, NO TOLLS - GET IT sanral? NO FRIGGEN TOLLS.

  • Richard - 2012-04-24 13:57

    How can I be expected to register if so much uncertainty exists and the terms and conditions keep changing which I have then automatically accepted. It is like saying I will buy the house but it has not even been designed yet. Surely the Consumer has the right to know exactly what he is in for. Government creates these laws to which businesses must adhere and then they feel they have no obligation to do the same. It is simple. Send me a bill for payment and stop forcing my hand to agree to terms that have not even been finalized yet or give you access to my bank account to take whatever you think I owe and then I can fight to get it back. I know several people that logged disputes with Municipal charges and do not even get the courtesy of a response.

  • Anakin - 2012-04-24 13:58

    Ha ha - SANRAL is already dictating to registered e-toll users what to do and how to do it, ha ha ha, keeping the system "bizzy". PLEASE DO NOT REGISTER for e-tags until these idiots finally get the message, which is "WE WILL NOT PAY". And if you are NOT registered then query each invoice sent to you, keep them "bizzy" for three months with REGISTERED snail-mail going back and forth, until the data-servers overload and crashes the system. SANRAL could have gone with the model of a fuel-levy, but no, that's too simple and too transparent, with no kick-backs tied in with an arms-deal (which is a much more interesting cumbersome corrupt way to go). SANRAL can send one of their support vehicles to bring me the invoice or they can send it by REGISTERED post (at which point I will query the invoice via REGISTERED mail). At NO POINT will I give out ANY email address or cell no. to SANRAL to harass me with. Let's see how long the system lasts, if an interdict (against SANRAL) is not granted. I have NO sympathy for them as they will NOT disclose all documents to the public for scrutiny, owing to the CORRUPT aspect of the entire e-toll deal.

  • Elekanyani - 2012-04-24 14:01

    wtf?

  • Pieter - 2012-04-24 14:01

    www.toxinews.blogspot.com Friday 20 April 2012SANRAL - From an Australian Newspaper on South Africa E-Tolls Email ThisBlogThis!Share to TwitterShare to Facebook "The deal between Sanral and Kapsch of Austria, the e-tolling operating company is not with the corporate entity, but with Kapsch Sweden. Kapsch Sweden used to be SAAB Aerospace, a 50% shareholder in a company called SANIP. British Aerospace held the other 50%. SANIP is alleged to be the payment vehicle used by SAAB and BAE to pay the alleged bribes of around R100Million in the Arms Deal saga to ensure that the Gripen fighter was chosen. The names Hlongwane, Modise, ANC, Zuma, Shaik figure prominently in the list of alleged recipients. So why Kapsch Sweden, not the corporate entity? I leave it to your imagination. How much? According to the corporate structure used to implement e-tolling in SA, about 80c of each rand of profit can be repatriated to Austria via Sweden. Gauteng alone expects to generate about R350Million a month in toll fees. Assuming a very conservative 10% profit available to be repatriated, that means about R28Million a month to go overseas"

      Arthur - 2012-04-25 10:34

      We should get the budgies to investigate if it's the same corrupt bunch involved in the arms deal.

      Gert - 2012-04-25 14:21

      So if this is true, it may even be possible that they used some of the same people to do this contract also----like smoky Shaik---and now we know why he was engineered out of prison---IT WAS TO GIVE SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THIS DEAL------- AND CHECK IF ALLIE HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH OLD SMOKY--maybe they played golf together.

      Gert - 2012-04-25 14:48

      So if we can proof that corruption has taken place again then we can argue that the TOLL SYSTEM WAS INTRODUCED ONLY AS A MEANS OF CORRUPT PERSONS TO SECURE MORE MONEY AND TO ENRICH THEMSELVES AND IT WAS NOT ESTABLISHED FOR THE BENEFIT OF SA AND THE CITIZENS then this contract must be null and void and the Austrians can be sued and they must pay back the pension fund as punishment and then we can scrap the toll system and debt incurred in that regard ?????? How can we make Smoky talk??? That is why they took this expensive road to gain more money for roads instead of merely charging an extra levy on the fuel price.

      Gert - 2012-04-25 14:57

      Is this maybe why a certain person wanted to steamroller the secrecy bill through parliament. It could easily have been marked as sensitive information and a lot of honest journalists would have been branded as criminals reporting on the truth....(and going to jail)

  • Kabelo Trevor Mabalane - 2012-04-24 14:03

    what terms? we not registering bathong. next year there will be increase on fees. do not register comrades.

      skyetor - 2012-04-24 20:02

      i am with u all the way on this 1 dude

  • Barry - 2012-04-24 14:04

    The deal between Sanral and Kapsch of Austria, the e-tolling operating company is not with the corporate entity, but with Kapsch Sweden. Kapsch Sweden used to be SAAB Aerospace, a 50% shareholder in a company called SANIP. British Aerospace held the other 50%. SANIP is alleged to be the payment vehicle used by SAAB and BAE to pay the alleged bribes of around R100Million in the Arms Deal saga to ensure that the Gripen fighter was chosen. The names Hlongwane, Modise, ANC, Zuma, Shaik figure prominently in the list of alleged recipients. So why Kapsch Sweden, not the corporate entity? I leave it to your imagination. How much? According to the corporate structure used to implement e-tolling in SA, about 80c of each rand of profit can be repatriated to Austria via Sweden. Gauteng alone expects to generate about R350Million a month in toll fees. Assuming a very conservative 10% profit available to be repatriated, that means about R28Million a month to go overseas"

      Martin - 2012-04-24 14:54

      Very interesting. No competent person, with the correct information, would want these tolls to go ahead unless they stand to benefit from it directly (Or they hate South Africa and want to destroy its economy).

  • JevonMarshallJohnson - 2012-04-24 14:07

    Who the f*ck thumbs ANY of these perfectly valid comments down? Are you frakking retarded? I guess so.

      Irene - 2012-04-24 14:21

      customdesign or SCAMRAL are doing the thumbs down.

  • SA - 2012-04-24 14:14

    "The deal between Sanral and Kapsch of Austria, the e-tolling operating company is not with the corporate entity, but with Kapsch Sweden. Kapsch Sweden used to be SAAB Aerospace, a 50% shareholder in a company called SANIP. British Aerospace held the other 50%. SANIP is alleged to be the payment vehicle used by SAAB and BAE to pay the alleged bribes of around R100Million in the Arms Deal saga to ensure that the Gripen fighter was chosen. The names Hlongwane, Modise, ANC, Zuma, Shaik figure prominently in the list of alleged recipients. So why Kapsch Sweden, not the corporate entity? I leave it to your imagination. How much? According to the corporate structure used to implement e-tolling in SA, about 80c of each rand of profit can be repatriated to Austria via Sweden. Gauteng alone expects to generate about R350Million a month in toll fees. Assuming a very conservative 10% profit available to be repatriated, that means about R28Million a month to go overseas"

  • Schmee - 2012-04-24 14:19

    WTF there are people who actually agreed to the previous terms and conditions?

  • Nomsa - 2012-04-24 14:20

    who will go to prison with me for not paying e toll? press like if you will.

      Hugh - 2012-04-24 15:04

      and dont forget to give the gauteng salute when passing under a gantry.

  • 21.november.dell - 2012-04-24 14:21

    This is like playing monopoly with the fat spoiled brat nextdoor, he keeps changing the rules and takes all your money and if you cry his mama with sweaty armpits moers you. Lets get rid of the corrupt thieves that say they work for the greater good of south africa. South Africans unite!!!

      Martin - 2012-04-24 14:24

      hahaha did that happen to you too?

  • Adrian - 2012-04-24 14:36

    SCAMRAL can KISS my TOLLGATE

      21.november.dell - 2012-04-24 14:38

      You mean your toll-e ;)

  • JevonMarshallJohnson - 2012-04-24 14:38

    customdesign - please change your name. I bet you couldnt design ANYTHING.

  • Carry - 2012-04-24 14:41

    THERE IS NOTHING FAIR AND REASONABLE ABOUT SCAMral OR THE anc.

  • Darryl - 2012-04-24 14:43

    Has anyone wondered why the taxi's and buses are exempted. Because Sanral knows that this lot will burn their gates to the ground quicker than they can count money !

  • NicoleRealTalk - 2012-04-24 14:55

    I dont have to do anything and i wont register!!!! (Holding a middle finger up at my computer reading this!)Go s*** in your hands!!!

  • misswoodcutter - 2012-04-24 15:31

    This is ridiculous! it's like signing a contract and then getting a call saying you must come back cause they've made changes to the contract! i've never heard of such.

  • khulekani.zulu - 2012-04-24 15:46

    don't buy e-thiefs.

  • Justi - 2012-04-24 15:53

    Who will ever account for all the people that died during the construction of the toll roads? due to bad road markings and construction signage? who will pay all the insurance claims due to the construction damages?