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Expats vent racist outrage over Mandela

2012-06-27 09:05

Cape Town - South Africans living in New Zealand have reacted with an outpouring of racist outrage to a Facebook post regarding a book about former president Nelson Mandela.

Well-known South African author Charlene Smith was shocked to see how expats responded to her post on the Safri-Kiwi page last week about the success of her book, Mandela: In Celebration of a Great Life, the Cape Times reported.

The Facebook page bills itself as a place for expats to chat, share experiences and support each other in the "difficult transition".

Her post read: "Going into 2nd printing within 18 days of launch. It shows how much the world values our Madiba."

It was flooded with comments, such as "Clearly your eyes were closed when you spewed your accolades to St Mandela. It’s the only possible way you could have overcome your nausea" and "This site consist (sic) of people that left their country because they couldn’t live in a place where their families got murdered and raped and now you want to come and advertise a book about the father of terror in SA."

The administrator of the page then contacted Smith, telling her that her post would be removed as it incited racist remarks.

Smith, who had been living in the US, was asked not to post any related remarks in future.

“As a South African living abroad one is always thrilled to hear a South African accent... But when we encounter people like this it is really dispiriting, it makes you feel as though you want to disengage completely from South Africans. I’m not interested in those who discriminate regardless of their race group. They shame the nation and themselves,” said Smith.
 

Comments
  • Stille - 2012-06-27 09:10

    "I’m not interested in those who discriminate regardless of their race group. They shame the nation and themselves,” said Smith. " - BEE, Black editors forum, Proposed wealth tax , forced land redistribution......

      richard.hipkin - 2012-06-27 09:17

      Slavery, colonialism, apartheid, force land removals, squatter camps, hostels, state police executions - dude, be a part of the solution and stop moaning.

      tshifhiwa.vandermunalisi - 2012-06-27 09:24

      Well said PointBlank

      kenneth.mthethwa - 2012-06-27 09:26

      Agree with you PointBlank,100%.

      warmonger.everlast - 2012-06-27 09:26

      pb, Kindly explain to us what YOU understand the term "apartheid" to mean. In your mind, what did that entail? Because Most people that pull that word out of their posterior have NO idea what it even means. The word the masses (read you included) have been brainwashed with, it just rolls of the tongue, makes even a fool sound "intelligent"... ???

      xoli.xuma - 2012-06-27 09:31

      Dude, what do you propose what should be done to rectify the inhumane of apartheid that was forced on black people.Social and Economic transformation is necessary.

      merven.halo - 2012-06-27 09:39

      You're an idiot PointBlank, everything you mentioned are from the past, everything StilleWaters mentioned are from the current times.

      warmonger.everlast - 2012-06-27 09:42

      I don't know through What glasses you are viewing this wonderfull place we call new south africa xavier7034, but my future as a white south african under this anc rule is looking pretty bleak. And if you do not see the warning signs, and have not had family murdered, then I would like to have what you are smoking, and I'd like to immigrate to the country you are living in now....

      Tony Lapson - 2012-06-27 09:50

      The fact that you are still talking about rectification for something that happened in the past is one of the reasons why we can't move forward as a country. Millions of Jews were killed during the holocaust, imagine if they Expected Germans to "rectify" the past. Last time I checked the country has been handed over to the people's party (ANC). 18 years have passed, why do we still blame the past for current failures to govern? Because its easier to never take responsibility.

      burtfred.brown - 2012-06-27 09:51

      Well I looked and looked, but I couldn't find any reference to race in the expat's comments. Taking verbal shots at Bambi Mandela does not automatically equate to "racist outrage" For all we know, some of the expats making comments about crime in SA could be "black".

      geronimo.feather - 2012-06-27 10:03

      @xoli.xuma - "...the inhumane of apartheid that was forced on black people." Please bro, tell me how black people in SA are any worse off due to Apartheid than black people in every other African country.... ?

      richard.hipkin - 2012-06-27 10:19

      @jessica, do you think it's only white people who are not happy with the way our country is "governed"? Trust me, if you had more black friends you would know many are not happy right now, for various reasons, but many common reasons we ALL share, e.g crime, poor service delivery, poor education, lacking leadership, cadre deployment, transformation, job creation, etc.. Fact is, there HAS to be transformation - the problem is in implementation and obvious concerns of nepotism and corruption, EVERYONE has that concern.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-06-27 10:26

      poloyatonkim although I can't stand most of your comments, I understand what you're saying here. The problem is that farms and mines can't just sommer be handed over. If the ANC had done it's job properly in the last 20 years none of this would have happened. Instead of BEE/AA they should have rather given black bursaries or sponsored tersiary education. For really poor underprivileged youth they should have setup food stations for kids on their way to school so they had full tummies (who can learn when they're starving), state sponsored uniforms, basic stationery and books. They should have spent money fixing and maintaining the schools (especially rural ones). They should have encouraged black entrepreneurship long ago and introduced funds like Usuvumbo etc (excuse spelling) but even those are barely functioning right now. They could have introduced agricultural training on state owned farmland and put black farmers in a position to purchase their own land. Now that the country is going belly up the ANC wants to appease the masses with "quick fixes" just before it's time to vote. This does nothing to solve the problems & just makes it worse, and divides the country further.

      colin.dovey - 2012-06-27 10:29

      @Warmonger - Your Avatar on FaceBook says it all.....I rest my case

      Stille - 2012-06-27 11:10

      @blank - moaning? Lol. Stupid much my little bleeding heart moron living in 1895..... The solution would be EVERYONE must be treated equal. Its not the case. In June 2012, the abovementioned institutions and laws to be passed are a reality. Whites are being treated as a seperate cashcow devoid of any rights. What will happen if i start the whites only editors forum? Yes, exactly, now stfu and sit down.....

      Joe - 2012-06-27 11:12

      @PointBlank – Don’t you think that there may be another more appropriate reason why so many black people live in poverty?

      richard.hipkin - 2012-06-27 11:21

      @Joe, absolutely. there are MANY reasons why people live in poverty. @StilleWaters, of course you can start up a White Editors Forum, but why would you? there is no crisis in white editors. When you grow up and become an adult you will also be able to think further then your nose.

      emile.vanrayner.7 - 2012-06-27 11:32

      @wesley - bee is not about black people owning stuff, its about priveleges. we came out of apartheid looking to STOP certain people being favoured over others. the bee facilitates such practices in the interest of "rectification" instead of helping underpriveleged people regardless of race

      peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-06-27 11:46

      @pointBlank, your points are valid but please don't try and act or sound like a hero because you have been into the townships. I too have been working in these areas for a very long time and I can very confidently say that since the ANC has taken over they have gotten much worse and are in my view in a much worse condition then they were 10 even 20 years ago. I agree that something has to be done and there are a lot of us doing things to try and help, building free houses, fixing up hospitals and trying to provide first world facilities to 3rd world areas. It is not easy but we are all trying. I am presonnally sick and tired of hearing about black vs white and white people must pay for what they did!! Most of the people responsible for Apartheid are either dead or too old to matter and yet I am still paying the price for it!!! The people who can make the real difference are the people milking South Africa for everything it is worth!! These people that are supposed to part of the struggle are responsible for 80% of this country still struggling and yet most of these struggling people are still voting for them. I agree change is needed but change will only happen once the majority of the country stops following criminals so blindly and that is not going to happen any time soon!

  • Bardy - 2012-06-27 09:17

    I wish I could live in NZ...

      Bardy - 2012-06-27 09:31

      As well and Anton and Mark!

      stanley.marries - 2012-06-27 09:33

      What's stopping you??????..alot of people are not entirely happy in South Africa,but like ANTON BURGER is saying...''I'll stay and fight'' is the better option for me.

      Bardy - 2012-06-27 09:36

      @ stanley.marries - Face it! We are outnumbered by FAR!!!! The outcome of civil war will only end badly for the white people!

      colin.dovey - 2012-06-27 09:36

      I REPEAT: SOME of us may have been part of the PAST in South Africa...... But ALL of us have a FUTURE

      koo.doyle - 2012-06-27 09:37

      Off you go then Bardy, need help packing?

      james.phillips.54922169 - 2012-06-27 09:37

      Been there, done that. NZ is a Sh1*hole, and they all want to move to Oz anyway. The grass isn't always greener. Tried the UK for a year too. Even worse. Home for good, now. I don't think you realise how good our lifestyle is, despite the problems.

      mlungisi.botha - 2012-06-27 09:38

      I live there Bardy...stay where you are. Ur a million times better off. In any case, you've heard the one about grass always being greener on the other side? If you're coming buddy, don't burn your SA passport.

      Bardy - 2012-06-27 09:39

      To all you guys that are telling me to go: You are an ignorant bunch! It's not only a better life there, but MUCH safer! Don't get me wrong, I love SA, but what this place has turned into is disgusting!

      Bardy - 2012-06-27 09:46

      @ lerato.kay.3 - Understand sarcasm much?

      kenneth.mthethwa - 2012-06-27 10:05

      Bardy,it doesnt mean we all love the way things are in SA,not only Whites feel the pinch,but we all are and I have also decided to abstain from casting my vote in the next election as my way of pretesting.It is colder out there.

      millionwatts1 - 2012-06-27 10:10

      Bardy,Not that it makes a difference for me whether you are gone or not but you are going to be doing housework for the first time in your dynasty. You will wipe your own ass for a change, you will be reminded that 'eeew you got an accent'(especially in USA or England) in the USA you will be shocked that white Americans will treat black Americans better than you(that will just depress you I am sure), you will also notice that the privilege of being white is lost once you get off that SAA plane. Oh and you will be a truck driver or a construction worker not a 'Manager' like here. (Yes whites work as labourers overseas)

      poloyatonkim - 2012-06-27 10:10

      Bardy Living in NZ for you will be more like going back home.

      martin.britchford.5 - 2012-06-27 10:12

      bardy you forget that it will be a fight against folks that still have never invented the wheel, but had it introduced. Folks that brought spears to a gun fight. that had several communist countries supporting them in a war and still lost. there will be massive losses allround, but whites are far from easy pickings. and they know this, they know there are massive arms caches from pre 1994, they we have allies in isreal, else war would have happened already. and after the xenophobia of our local people they wont get much support from foreign africans. war is a bad idea, no state wins a civil war, americans won their independance, the NP handed over power, libyan folks won their war, the syrians will win theirs, the anc has allot of enemies of all races in sa, this will not just be a black on white war, this will be south Africans fighting another dictatorship, and we will win, black indian, white coloureds together will take our country from these idiots.

      Bardy - 2012-06-27 10:15

      @ millionwatts1 - I know all of that and it does not bother me at all... Did you know that the state hospitals in NZ are like our private hospitals? Everything is clean and orderly there. Schooling is free even! I don't care whether I sweep streets for living cause even they can afford to live in a big 3 bedroom house and have a nice car! The only thing I can afford over here is to rent a small flat!

      Bardy - 2012-06-27 10:18

      @ martin.britchford.5 - I certainly hope you are right my friend. Like I said... I love this country and it would hurt to leave, but if it has to come to that I will do it! So lets hope for the best!

      martin.britchford.5 - 2012-06-27 10:21

      and mandela nver screwed south africans over, he was responsible for a constitution that is screwing the new anc over at ever wrong turn they make.,, i think they keep him shut up if im honest

      millionwatts1 - 2012-06-27 10:32

      @Bardy, that's cool so when do you want to leave? Believe with all the privilege you have here and you can't live in a nice house as a white person. You just might be a loser! Its not going to happen overseas. Here white halfwits are even Managers so your skin won't help you in a white majority country.

      Bardy - 2012-06-27 10:48

      @ millionwatts1 - I matriculated in 2000 when apartheid was over and not all whites (including me) has had the privilege of going to college or universities so yes, I am not earning enough to be able to afford a house! That does not make me a looser cause I work hard for what I have... So your comments are uncalled for... You are just plain rude in my point of view!

      marc.schroeder.35 - 2012-06-27 10:50

      Hey Bardy. you like those coloured folk in Cape Town that support the all blacks over south africa, shameless. Bru, if you can't see the magic in our land, then take a hike pal!

      wesleywt - 2012-06-27 11:18

      Please leave. We don't need you.

      Megan - 2012-06-27 11:26

      @Kenneth... DON'T EVER DECIDE NOT TO VOTE! Your vote should be the one thing the government should never be allowed to take away from you, but it seems to be exactly the thing the ANC is doing. You most certainly are not the only person I've come across who, because of the diabolical state of the current government, are now opting not to cast a vote. The ANC is NOT the only political party in this country, and while your and my vote might not be enough to see them step down, it just might be the difference in awarding a party, that at least has the ability to be the voice of reason, the opposition majority. I honestly don't understand why there seem to be so many blacks who refuse to vote, for example, DA because they see it as a "white political party" with an unfounded fear of them bringing apartheid back. Maybe those who are still very sceptical of the DA should spend a bit of time learning about who Helen Zille actually is - learn about her involvement in anti-apartheid activities and it should be very clear that she would not stand for anything that would remotely make people feel that Apartheid is coming back. The sad fact of the matter at the moment is Apartheid IS coming back, but in the reverse. How can people who fought for so long, suffered the horrendous atrocities become happy or complacent to see the exact same thing happen to others?

      mlungisi.botha - 2012-06-27 11:36

      You know what Bardy, I don't think anyone one is saying SA is a paradise. It's not. Nor is NZ. What pees me off big time is people like you who forget what SA would have been like had Mandela not cooled down the heat on both sides of the great SA divide....it would have been worse than the k*k that we have to deal with today. If I remember well, Mandela's the man who begged all those who'd packed their bags not to go and those who'd gone to come to build a new SA. Peace won't come overnight that's for sure but come it will. Now that lot who've gapped it to NZ want to shut all up who have anything good to say about any SAn. Believe me New Zealanders don't like SAns, and I don't mean just coz of rugby. SAns just don't fit in especially coz of views like those villifying an old man like Mandela. Lots of those guys left well paying jobs in SA to take up jobs as night watchmen, night shift nurses, teachers in difficult to manage schools etc and they don't like it. My advice....you like NZ but NZ don't like your ilk!!

      Bardy - 2012-06-27 11:36

      @ millionwatts1 - I don't know what colour you are (your arguments sound black though), but this illusion of whites having everything served to them on a golden platter is utter BS!!! There are whites sleeping on the streets all over the country FFS! BEE/AA has ensured that I cannot get any high paying job... How am I being priveledge? All my life I have been struggling to get forward in life! So what the f&*k do I need to be gratefull for??? WAKE UP MAN!!!! Some people are just so ignorant... FFS!!!

  • millionwatts1 - 2012-06-27 09:24

    Charlene Smith wait till you see what will be written here. You should have just written about someone or something else if you ask me. How many 'BIOGRAPHIES' of Mandela do we need anyway?

  • jimmy.gounaris - 2012-06-27 09:25

    As a matter of interest why is Smith in the USA?

      Scouter - 2012-06-27 09:29

      A very good point ifundi ....... you might well ask.

      warmonger.everlast - 2012-06-27 09:29

      GOOD question! She probably interviewed all the Americans to get the life story of madiba so as to write said ab! No better place to be to write about an african icon...

      Randomhero6661 - 2012-06-27 11:17

      warmonger, its a revision of the book released in 1999. She was in south africa when she wrote that, i know this she is my aunt. She however was raped and stabbed in her linden house,she only moved to america about 5 years ago, reason maybe because her children are there? here is a better written article : http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/western-cape/writer-shocked-by-anti-mandela-vitriol-1.1328088#.T-rNi5HMj1V

  • Freddyvdm - 2012-06-27 09:27

    AG SHAME! SIESTOG

  • andrew.arde - 2012-06-27 09:28

    Maybe I'm stupid, but I cannot see one racist remark in this article. Yes there are accusations about Mandela being the father of terror, but come on News 24 this is not a racist remark, it's merely someon stating their opinion. If someone calls Mugabe a dictator, is that racist? Don't get me wrong, I dont agree with the person that states Mandela was the father of terror, but the remarks are NOT racist by any means!

      Repline - 2012-06-27 09:36

      The problem is Charlene has friends, I know her from a previous business relationship. She is like a child when things don't go her way she throws all her toys out of the cot, and tries to reducle whomever made her do it. It is a sad way to live really. She gets her friends in SA to write articles to redicule people, in the hopes that it will achieve something (in this case to get more book-sales)

      andrew.arde - 2012-06-27 09:41

      @ Repline - if that's the case then she can stay where she is and live out her miserable little life there and not come back here, because ppl like her are part of the problem in SA!

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-06-27 11:06

      They wouldn't publish the crude racist posts on the article, I doubt. Maybe those two are meant to give one an idea, since they do not sound too uniting themselves

      Repline - 2012-06-27 11:13

      @JohnCarlos, LoL... actually they will, thats the type of thing that sells newspapers.

      dewalds3 - 2012-06-27 11:31

      That is really dumb JCB..

  • herbert.plessis - 2012-06-27 09:31

    Why is she not in the RS of A if she is so happy with what St Mandela has created? Did she get sick of poor paid for service? Or did she realise that in other countries sugar / coffee / tea lasts for at least a month? did she realise that garden tools last for longer than six months overseas although they are of the same quality? Did she realise that murder, rape, hijacking and corruption are not national crises like in SA? Isn't she the lady with those tacky TV adverts? Something about Bonnie?

      Megan - 2012-06-27 11:48

      It probably has a lot to do with the fact that she was stabbed and raped in her own, Johannesburg, home.

  • mlungisi.botha - 2012-06-27 09:32

    If I emigrate to NZ why call me South African? Surely I'm a New Zealander? These are people who can't fit into NZ society nor can they fit into SA society. New Zealanders dont like these new immigrants coz of their blatant racism. That's why they need each other to go through the "difficult transition". In any case 10 years down the line and they'll be old and dementured (can't remember) or dead and buried. Well done Charlene keep up the good work!!

  • anton.burger.16 - 2012-06-27 09:32

    Rich coming from all the chickens that ran away....come back here and then you can comment. You run....you lose your right to wash out your mouth. I will stay and fight. To all the liberals that want to puke a stupid comment...rather shut up, your time is running out...you will not be spared because you shouted amandla.

      merven.halo - 2012-06-27 09:52

      The 'chickens that ran away' still got families here idiot.

      Juan - 2012-06-27 09:55

      Stay and fight? You sure the battle can be won? I mean 7 million against 40 odd million is not great odds, and we whities aren't known for our tendencies to stand together. I still like it in my home city in Cape Town but I'm keeping my options open, stashing money away and keeping my luggage handy.

      WysJouMys - 2012-06-27 10:50

      EVERY chicken runner that I know, voted for this mess. Now WE have to clean it up. They are NOT welcome back!

  • Dean - 2012-06-27 09:32

    I would like to know what's wrong with celebrating Madiba's life, expat Saffas should not be allowed to comment on the struggle and so forth as they have run away from their struggles and have left the rest in SA to fight for our country!!!!!!!!!

  • siyanda.myende - 2012-06-27 09:33

    I fail to understand how one can move from a country which they claim made them unhappy, but still keep tabs on it

      Pietertjie - 2012-06-27 09:37

      this is a stupid remark, same I ask you, why most of the top bras of the anc run and hide and let other people do the fighting and after the smoke settled down the came back to run the country in to the ground. Really think for your self, even if they left the country it is still their hone.

      siyanda.myende - 2012-06-27 09:58

      Oh so because I'm black you automatically assume that I support the ANC. Why else would you tell me about it? And dude, calling someone stupid is not polite especially when your grammar is all messed up.

      liesbet.epos - 2012-06-27 10:07

      Agree Siyanda.... this "boeremeisie" agrees!

  • appietrader - 2012-06-27 09:33

    @Pointblank - You really think all that you have mentioned is not happening today under the black government? Worse, genocide against white farmers acceptable to you? The worse apartheid against whites thinkable, you like? How do you suggest to become part of the solution when you are ignored and "your" complaining about the economy in white hands. The complete structures of government is not working, i.e. municipalities, education, and on and on......When you complain or offer remedies, flatly ignored. Only interest is stealing money, you like?

  • garthandjackie - 2012-06-27 09:34

    Who care about these "ex-pats" they left and they therefore no longer have the right to an opinion regarding SA ....so shut-up

      herbert.plessis - 2012-06-27 09:50

      Did they not pay tax that built the schools that the "liberation movement" burned? Did they not provide the tax base that the ANC abused? Surely they have an opinion and are allowed to express it on a public forum like this?

  • Nicholas - 2012-06-27 09:34

    The first example of "racist outrage over Mandela" reads as follows: "Clearly your eyes were closed when you spewed your accolades to St Mandela. It’s the only possible way you could have overcome your nausea" and "This site consist (sic) of people that left their country because they couldn’t live in a place where their families got murdered and raped and now you want to come and advertise a book about the father of terror in SA." How is this racist??

      vijev - 2012-06-27 10:56

      Father of Terror? That is a bit much and its actually not fair. Any freedom fighter will be seen as a terrorist by the other party. In fact it was the "Apartheid supporters" who called him "Father of Terror". And its pretty obvious, anyone who supported apartheid, is obviously racist.

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-06-27 11:00

      I don't think they would have posted the racist posts on a family website. Besides,, the posts you quote aren't really from the pro-unity brigade

  • vivian.harris.73 - 2012-06-27 09:34

    It's always the people that don't live in SA that has the most to say. Thanks to Mr Mandela and the ANC the country is where it is today.....on the brink of total ruin.

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-06-27 10:55

      What did Mandela do to 'ruin' SA?

      vijev - 2012-06-27 11:04

      This is actually your fault and most others who ran away. Instead of just being bitter, stay and fight for your rights. I hate what is happening to this country but if we don't stand-up for what we believe, then we can all just leave, who cares right?

      vivian.harris.73 - 2012-06-27 11:31

      Well crime is totally out of control thanks to Mr Mandela who did away with the death penalty when he took office. And the infamous gravy train that they are still riding today....

  • Mike.Biagio - 2012-06-27 09:44

    This article makes it sound like all SA expats in NZ are racists - isn't that racist in itself? As in South Africa, you will find the broad cross section of South Africans here - from extreme right wing to extreme left wing. What is common to most of us is that we have left to get away from the crime. But that is no reflection on Mandela - merely on the incompetence of his successors.

  • thando.ramncwana - 2012-06-27 09:49

    Its a global village.....im sure the Greece expats are having a jol in South Africa!!

  • thando.ramncwana - 2012-06-27 09:49

    Its a global village.....im sure the Greece expats are having a jol in South Africa!!

  • ivan.faught - 2012-06-27 09:50

    Well done Charlene Smith. Not to worry about those expats. They were the scared ones. They deserved to leave. They are not part of SA's future anymore. They are the past. Bygones. Hasbeens. If they cannot see the positive things in this beautifull country, don't let the negativity stop you from writing good about SA and it's leaders. Nobody is as blind than those whom doesn't want to see! Doe zo voort.

  • ben.rootman.3 - 2012-06-27 09:53

    These people who left South Africa should leave us to work out our own future here.

  • sbu.mahwai - 2012-06-27 09:58

    Stop complaining if you don't like what is happening in this country and don't wanna be part of the solutions then I guess packing your back wouldnt be that difficult - before anyone start pulling a racial card(as this has become part of our lives in this country), my comment applies to both whites and blacks. Some of us are sick and tired of this racial disease

      Tony Lapson - 2012-06-27 10:53

      Agreed. However, I fail to see any solutions when greed and corruption fuels our leaders need to blame everything on apartheid, just so they can stay in power. Our senior and youth leaders are making sure that there is plenty of mis-trust and hatered. It's about time that things start changing for the better, or we can just expect pathetic war, violence and no compassion for others lives.

  • andre.burrows.92 - 2012-06-27 10:02

    Apartheid Government killed 7000 in 42 years. Thabo Mbeki allowed 360 000 to be killed by being incompetent[AIDS denialist]. ANC is allowing 50 people per day to die because of murders.650 people per day is dying for not being able to access anti-retrovirals. ANC is the custodian of terror. Keep struggling comrades!!!

      somikazi.pita - 2012-06-27 10:07

      7000 in 42 yrs?! Really?!! Oh wow!

      andrew.pottow - 2012-06-27 10:33

      Thando, the aparteid government was only formed in the 30's if my memory serves me correctly! So your logic fails there. The zulus and other black tribes would have killed all the whites if they had a chance. Unfortunately those were turmultous times and blacks and whites were at war with each other as well as themselves! You don't see me hating afrikaaners because they killed Brits in the anglo boer war? You can't put that on people living today. Get over it! On the other hand, the blame for what the ANC is doing today is directly on their voters heads. So if you voted ANC, you endorse their AIDS policies, and you are the reason people are dying because of it. The truth is sometimes hard to face, isn't it?

      nkala.popo - 2012-06-27 10:34

      In your dreams

      carl.angus.56 - 2012-06-27 10:35

      Oh well, if it's only 7000 that's ok isn't it? Is that what you are actually saying Andre? A small drop in the ocean, nothing to worry about? All blown out of proportion? So from your lilly-white perspective apartheid wasn't that bad hey? The blacks are just big whiners huh? Is that honestly your argument, just dismiss apartheid, it hardly happened (I didn't even feel a thing!). I will use your argument to educate my children as to how doff some of my fellow whiteys can actually be, in order to avoid bringing those types of inept genes into the future gene pool.

      andrew.pottow - 2012-06-27 10:42

      Carl, don't be dense! He's not saying it was something that was \okay\ he was comparing it to the current situation! And the current situation is a lot worse that you'd have us believe. SA is the AIDS capital of the world and described in one atlas as the most dangerous country in the world outside of active warzones! Why is that? Because of some subverted imperialist drive funded by underground elements hellbent on destabilising the country like our goverment would have us believe? I doubt it, the rest of the world is too busy sorting out their problems. The sad truth is that SA is a lot worse in some ways than we care to admit. And if you're one of the apologist sheep, then I'll be using your argument to educate my kids as to how short sighted people can be while I use the ANC as an example in a lesson on how best to completely pervert and skew public perception through rhetoric and propaganda.

      carl.angus.56 - 2012-06-27 10:57

      @Andrew So you are actually saying that today is worse than apartheid, you are actually trying to defend that argument with a straight face. Seriously ask some Tata or Gogo of your domestic worker if it was happy days back then compared to now. Man, Andrew you really can't be serious, your argument gives no consideration of the injustice and lack of freedoms as part of your analysis. Nor do you take into account population growth and a hundreds other variables you are blinded to. Take off your white-only-perspective glasses, maybe ask yourself, would I prefer to live in today's society or one where whites were treated like apartheid blacks back in the day. Really dood, some people think, but are not aware.

      andrew.pottow - 2012-06-27 11:36

      Carl, where did I say it was better? Where did I categorically state that Aparteid SA was better? Did I defend aparteid? As far as I'm concerned, you're seeing things that dont exist! I was pointing out the flaws and problems that exist in SA today. I never once stated we are worse off today. Aparteid was and always will be an indefensible system. None of what I said depends on the effects of population growth, either so I dont know how that is relevant! Let me relay a story to you. I have an amazing maid who brought me up when my mom wasn't around. Recently she contracted AIDS through her husbands infidelity. The state hospitals wouldn't treat her, they wouldn't give her access to ARV's. We stepped in at the last minute and made arrangements for her to get the medication required. By this stage her CD4 count was in its 50s. So bad that the hospital ran the test again as they were of the opinion that she should already be dead. She's now back to full health aside from the HIV+ status and was able to attend the birth of her grandson and her daughters marriage. This lady would have been dead at 46 if it were left in the hands of the ANC. She came up to me a few months ago and said "Nkosana, I've been thinking. We had it hard under aparteid but atleast things worked how they were supposed to. These leaders now just do it for themselves, they dont care about the country" How's that for a white-only perspective?

  • hlgiorgino - 2012-06-27 10:04

    #$&@*ing expats that always whine about the country they chose to leave, but judging by their comments we are better off without them.

  • kosmonooit - 2012-06-27 10:05

    When I am abroad I avoid anyone with a SA accent, mainly for this reason.

      thando.ramncwana - 2012-06-27 10:46

      I also avoid white S Africans period when Im abroad.....

      Blipsie - 2012-06-27 11:25

      Wow. Discriminate much?

  • DrGonzoSA - 2012-06-27 10:05

    A much better country without Nazis like this

  • mlungisi.phakathi - 2012-06-27 10:06

    A solution to racism is to let these haters be, do not pay attention to their madness.

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-06-27 10:32

      Agreed . They are not important people

  • Mart - 2012-06-27 10:09

    South Africa is home to far too many 'criminally anti-social people'. The sad thing is that all sides of the divide naturally tend to lean towards 'their own' if there is doubt about guilt. This is not a racial issue although it has been made one by commentators. Frustrations on both sides of said divide also encourage people to react with words that aren't truly how they feel but do reflect their desire to see a better South Africa. I find this a positive even if the writer is saying 'go then'. Quite off the subject but I think relative to people's opinions is the fact that the majority of people in this country want a referendum to be held on the death penalty as a punishment for certain crimes. This is something that I think could unite the nation because we mostly agree that to pour millions a year into caring for 'criminally anti-social deviants' is illogical, and this money could be put to better use uplifting the innocent who need uplifting.

  • Moeketsi - 2012-06-27 10:15

    jessica take an advice, join your pessimistic expats and enjoy what they are enjoying in their new found home, SA is not going back to your comfort on the expense of africans, period

  • rikhoula.joy - 2012-06-27 10:17

    To hell you haters, this our country n we luv it, every country has its own problems, ther is no clean coutry

  • watsongeorgejan - 2012-06-27 10:20

    This people chose to leavve instead of contributing possitively to the advancement of our fragile democracy. Now they are where we expect them to be happy (as they say) but they're whining like jilted lovers who left with reserve love and badmouths the ex. Why don't they keep their feelings to themselves because they are immune to what happens to us. Homesick sorry scum!!!

      saffaseun.inoz - 2012-06-27 10:25

      Dumb, stupid, ignorant fool... Can I suggest a spelling lesson?

      watsongeorgejan - 2012-06-27 11:13

      @Safaseun -Before your spelling lesson, why not justify your comment bang-gat.

      saffaseun.inoz - 2012-06-27 11:24

      Umm I would have but you have to have an IQ of about 5 to understand it... Yawn...

  • andrew.pottow - 2012-06-27 10:20

    I'd like to know which of the qouted comments were racist? Not one mentioned race as a motivator for the hostility they expressed. A bit harsh - sure, but racist? Not one iota! Misleading headlines like this only fuel the flames of division in our country! I'm about to leave SA for a few years for work overseas, will I be branded as racist when I comment on issues in my homeland if they express a negative opinion of a current or former black leader? I should hope not!

      carl.angus.56 - 2012-06-27 11:24

      Do you think it wise to actually post all the racist comments in this article? I would assume that it would cause more problems repeating that stuff here. I suppose if you enjoy that sort of thing you can always go to the site where it happened and have a good gander there.

  • ztoefy - 2012-06-27 10:22

    All that this article achieved was showing how far from happy/racist news24 readers are!!!

      Tony Lapson - 2012-06-27 10:32

      If there are 10 racist comments out of 100 comments, that must mean everyone is racist. Right? Because 10% = 100% when you are a hater.

  • gary.carroll.3990 - 2012-06-27 10:25

    whet?

  • carl.angus.56 - 2012-06-27 10:26

    What I find annoying is all these expats that spend all their time on SA websites posting racist rubbish and all those "I'm so glad I left" letters, that none of us read. Is NZ the new place to practice racism, meh, let them have it.

      Blipsie - 2012-06-27 11:31

      Ever thought it's because it broke their hearts to leave? I find selectively blind people such as yourself equally annoying. Take your blinkers off and see SA for what is. Or do you think your crime rate and especially the child death rate is ok?

  • komorison - 2012-06-27 10:26

    @ Bardy, look twice before you leap. Go and check out some independent news sites on Europe. The region is teetering on total economic collapse. If you have to go, rather look at Southern Hemisphere countries excluding Australia and New Zealand.

      Colin - 2012-06-27 11:11

      Don't trust everything you read komo. Newspapers and sites tend to blow things out of proportion to get more hits and sales. Although some of the countries are struggeling countries like germany are doing very well

  • mbulelo.nkohla - 2012-06-27 10:27

    the former finance minister barend du plessis would tell u how close the country was to a collapse b4 the democratic dispensation, the government then ddnt have enough money to pay their loans hence the near bankruptcy and when madiba came into power he had to work his butt off to secure finance to keep country going and pay some of the debt accrued by the previous regime, point is, yes we're not in an ideal situation but we can still talk about it...

  • miki.beukes - 2012-06-27 10:37

    If you have left SA because of our Crime rate then think about the times you have Gotten into a fight with Someone .....don't you think you have contributed to that very specific rate.......those without sin through the first stone....nice ha!!!

      Blipsie - 2012-06-27 11:34

      ? Ok. Please just rather keep quiet than post something to prove how silly you are. There is a very big difference between a bar brawl and murder/rape.

  • miki.beukes - 2012-06-27 10:37

    If you have left SA because of our Crime rate then think about the times you have Gotten into a fight with Someone .....don't you think you have contributed to that very specific rate.......those without sin through the first stone....nice ha!!!

      Colin - 2012-06-27 11:05

      Have I ever raped, robbed, murdered someone or been accused of a crime? No so then I don't contribute to the crime rate. Have I been the victim of crime, yes several times. I think that is a good enough reason to move to a place where the majority of people obey the laws and you don't have to check over your shoulder every 5 minutes

      Johan De Beer - 2012-06-27 11:22

      Never comitted any crime in my life, not even a "small" one. Never assaulted anyone. Helped a great many poor black people in my life with jobs, donations, upliftment projects, bursaries etc. Yet my house was broken into last month, my own worker stole my hi-fi two weeks ago, and copper pipes and wiring was rippes out of my office building recently. Now they want to take my property as well? I'm now asking myself: Why be kind to blacks when all that I get back is a slap in the face?

      vijev - 2012-06-27 11:30

      @Johan: If one one black man slaps you in the face, doesn't mean all black people are doing that. Every human is unique! The true virtue of any person is to help people as individuals. Imagine if some random German guy rips me off, does that mean I must stop doing business with all Germans? NO! So keep helping the needy, they won't forget you.

  • Johan - 2012-06-27 10:40

    To all those who think that there is no racism in NZ , AUS or USA - go and speak to the black persons in those countries - they will tell you it is as bad as it ever were in SA

      gavin.lott.9 - 2012-06-27 12:16

      Of course there is racism in all countries! but as bad as SA?...oh please!

  • Derek Gerber - 2012-06-27 10:44

    I am a white male, taxed at more than 40%, in addition there is VAT and many other hidden taxes, which together with my extra expenses in respect of medical, security and education brings my effective "tax" to about 70% of my gross earnings. Last week our house was robbed by four armed men in broad daylight, my wife assaulted and two firearms and other items looted. Every day I must listen to black politicians inciting the black population/voters to hate white people and demand a share of the fruits of their labour, this is also reflected by many black people commenting on public forums. In other words, we want what you have, we are not prepared to work for it, and after that f... off. NEVER does any politician preach or take accountibility. What is there to be excited about in respect of NM's legacy?

      Johan De Beer - 2012-06-27 11:15

      You're so right, Derek

      gugulethu.themba.1 - 2012-06-27 11:56

      i am really sorry for what happened to you but there is no politician who said we must steal from you,All that was said was to get back what is ours through nationalisation of mines,close the gap between blacks and whites through black empowerment which is fair as those lands which you own today were forcefully taken from the black people and not by crime

  • Kurt Seafield - 2012-06-27 10:46

    Why is it that its always the blacks and the dutch always hating on each other, I'm currently living in NZ and cant stand all these haters. All i here from both sides is always the same, blah blah blah. Get a life and move on, you guys are pathetic. The thing i cant stand about these expats badmouthing SA, if you dig deep enough you'll find that its these one that where total failures in life looking for a second chance. Absolutely pathetic.

      Derek Gerber - 2012-06-27 11:13

      Who is the "dutch"?

      Derek Gerber - 2012-06-27 11:14

      Who is the "dutch"?

      Kurt Seafield - 2012-06-27 11:37

      Must i draw a picture?

  • colline.maule - 2012-06-27 10:54

    easy to talk from her cousy home ABROAD!!!

      Derek Gerber - 2012-06-27 11:11

      I think you response makes it clear what your perception if SA is, and is not good!

      vijev - 2012-06-27 11:33

      @Derek: So you agree that it is cosy over in Aus and NZ? Then why don't we all go there?

  • Lesiba C Mmotlana - 2012-06-27 10:55

    White ppl n Africans=Water n Oil,they dont mix,both groups differ much n dont want each other

      Colin - 2012-06-27 11:01

      On that we can agree

      carl.angus.56 - 2012-06-27 11:02

      Ag I think that idea is very old and stale. I'd prefer to teach my children that everyone can get along with anyone else, regardless of race. If peeps keep teaching hatred then that hatred will continue, I'd prefer to break that cycle.

      Blipsie - 2012-06-27 11:37

      @ Lydia, maybe it's because people like you stereotyping them, makes them ...well, much less inclined to get on with you?

      Kurt Seafield - 2012-06-27 11:43

      @ Lydia, you are 100% right iv done a lot of traveling and everywhere i go, the afrikaans people cant get along with anyone. In NZ they hate Mouri, in Auz they hate the asians and aborigine, ETC. By no means am i justifying any of the crap going on in SA. But what really surprised me was that they even want to start a afrikaans school in NZ, CMON WHAT NEXT. Holland is still there hey.

  • wesley.loots.39 - 2012-06-27 10:58

    @ Bardy, make the leap, best move you will ever make, I will pick u up at the airport. Let them stay and fight, some day they will see the light. Where are they fighting? O yes, by making comments here. Keep fighting, look like you are winning.

  • Lesiba C Mmotlana - 2012-06-27 11:01

    @Derek am very sorry my friend,our country is govern by criminals n crime is their life n if a White guy is robbed they r happy,i wonder y cant this criminal cant rob this ministers houses coz that where goods r !!!!

  • konanani.rachicoper - 2012-06-27 11:01

    Lmbao,cats and dogs.

  • Mathys.Lubbe - 2012-06-27 11:02

    This is not even news worthy....journalism at it's sensationalist best. This is just one expat in the US, trying to sell her book on another expat's NZ page...lol...try to make a few quick bucks and got bitch slapped for it...lol

  • fran.aphane - 2012-06-27 11:06

    I don't like playing the blame game, I believe in myself regardless of the situations I have encountered throughout my life mostly bad from apartheid but I have also realized that white people will never ever take responsibility for colonialism just like Nazis will never fully own up to the Holocaust. Very often I read comments on this page I come against nothing but hate, white people are still hating on blacks and black still hating on whites? Is very sad really because Jesus said to live in peace and love one another and I guess He is the only one who will judge when He comes one day. I can't wait any more.

  • wesley.loots.39 - 2012-06-27 11:06

    South Africa ranked 127th on Vision of Humanity's global peace index (GPI), dropping 29 places from number 98 place in 2007. Guess who is in 2nd place - New Zealand.

      vijev - 2012-06-27 11:40

      Yes, I've heard that the biggest cause of death in New Zealand is "old-age". It is a good stat to have and many people who want the soft laid-back lifestyle will love it. I personally prefer a country that is more dynamic and in the forefront of economics and development. I unfortunately will die of boredom in that place. But I'm glad you loving it.

  • leigh.ridgway - 2012-06-27 11:20

    Only in South Africa when someone puts a murderer and a terrorist on a pedastool and then sits back when the comments come flying in and says; "Why, oh why is everyone being so mean?" Charlene Smith, you, my dear, are an idiot!