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Farm crime - minister sets record straight

2011-03-10 20:09

Cape Town - Twelve people have been murdered on farms since December 1 2010, Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa said on Thursday.

"According to available information as identified as part of the functioning of weekly crime analysis meetings, from the 1st of December 2010 to date, there were 12 murders on farms and small holdings recorded by the South African Police Service," said Mthethwa.

Responding to a question in the National Council of Provinces, he said that the figure quoted in the question put to him that 60 farmers had been murdered since December 1 2010 was incorrect.

"I wish to point out that the quote by AgriSA never stated that there had been 60 farmers murdered, but rather 60 criminal incidents on farms which include robbery, stock theft, car theft etc.

"According to available information from December 1 2010 to date, there were 12 murders on farms."

Mthethwa said his department was doing everything in its power to address farm murders and crime on farms.

He said that both farmers and farm workers were killed and that each case was a priority.

"My department takes each and every murder seriously and government considers rural safety one of its priorities."

Mthethwa said a comprehensive rural safety strategy to enhance safety and security levels, accessibility to policing and service delivery to rural communities was recently developed and was in the process of being rolled out to all provinces.

A rural safety priority committee was functioning at the national level and was represented by "all players" in the rural and farming communities including farm workers unions, organised agriculture and government departments.

Comments
  • jan du preeaz - 2011-03-10 20:26

    so now you feel chuffed that it is 12 and not 60? is 12 farm murders ok with you, what about the rest of the savage murders in this country? typical from a menasta. when will the REAL men in the ANC take the reigns of government and make this country a 1994 again?

      SimonP - 2011-03-10 20:37

      There are no real men in the ANC. They are all talk no action whats in it for me thugs.

      jan du preeaz - 2011-03-10 20:44

      Simon, show me the real men in the DA, or women for that matter (apology to the females (is that PC for you)) HZ is currently steam rollered by the current anc thugs.

      paulmandlankosi - 2011-03-10 20:56

      Make this country a 1994 again, in your dreams

      jan du preeaz - 2011-03-10 21:05

      ok paul, what do YOU propose?

      jan du preeaz - 2011-03-10 21:17

      Hux, seroiuuus, by this time all the kids have to be in bed, so i suggest log off from your mom's laptop and say nighty night, the big people are trying to debate issues that is way above your intelligence.

      G.du Plessis - 2011-03-10 21:54

      O feel crime affects me less than in 94 but feel it is still unacceptably high. Let's see what the rural safety plan delivers...

      G.du Plessis - 2011-03-10 22:14

      I meant i

      ArtGee - 2011-03-11 06:24

      The 12 he is referring to are the MALE FARMERS.... this figure DOES NOT INCLUDE THE FEMALES and the CHILDREN!!!!!!! That figure makes up the 60 reported deaths! One Farmer's DEATH is to many....

  • Gerard - 2011-03-10 20:27

    Oh well, we feel much better now!

  • Molton - 2011-03-10 20:35

    Nathi Mthethwa, you are a ID10T! Maybe you should check how long it takes to become a competent farmer.(Studying, experience etc) All that knowledge and skills forever gone. Even murdering one farmer will have an impact on the food resources in SA. One should not value one life over the next as someone being killed in a township is just as sad but what a farmer brings to the "table" in SA has got a huge influence on the economy in SA and indirectly impact the man on the street with higher food prices. Protect the boer, protect the farmer....

  • 7thFloor - 2011-03-10 20:36

    They don't care about the farm killings and they certainly don't care about the white population in South Africa. The sooner we come to terms with this and the sooner we get over ourselves, the better. Wish they would just ban whites from SA, then at least we can seek asylum in other countries.

      G.du Plessis - 2011-03-10 21:55

      7th floor you are a little ridiculous! Be part of the solution..

      schmerz - 2011-03-10 22:20

      @G.du Plessis, only solution i can see is a new government. Even toddlers would be able to do a better job, they would at least have less of a challenge discerning left from right

      cosmic_99 - 2011-03-11 08:12

      G Du Plessis, And the solution is????? Do tell!

      7thFloor - 2011-03-11 12:05

      G Du Plessis I share your passion to resolve, but bottom line is we are no longer been taken seriously. We can protest, curse and insult till we blue in the face, it won't make the slightest impact on their conscience or way of thinking. The masses are angry because of our history and they won't be satisfied until they've either killed or run the last white out of the country. Heres a hard pill to swollow, "There is no Rainbow Nation" it was all just a marketing ploy to keep whites productive in the country until they were ready to implement their labour laws. Again I say the sooner we come to terms with this, the better.

      Hopeforall - 2011-04-01 22:08

      Hi 7thFloor. The use of terms such as 'they' and 'them', is unhelpful, and indicates the presence of the same racism in your heart, that you accuse others of. Why then, if it's only about racism, should you feel aggrieved if you're on the losing side, only because your number is fewer? On what basis, therefore, would we expect anything other than racism towards others, if you were in the majority? What would lead us to think that South Africa would be a better place, for your presence? Rather than speculate on other peoples thinking, however, I think a better place for introspection might be your own heart. It is only when we have come to terms with our own failing, that our eyes are clear to see that racism exists entirely in the vast minority of the populace, on both sides of the fence. On the one side are the 'fear' mongers, and on the other are those for whom racial polarisation represents political opportunity. Either way, it is clear that both are in the greater minority. The beckoning challenge of free thinkers across the cultural spectrum today, is to bind ourselves together in mutual trust, so that we can rid ourselves of those who hold us to ransom. Are you of the opinion that it is only whites that are appalled by what is going on in our beautiful land? We are singularly unsuccessful in finding solidarity with one another, however, because to our shame, we are successfully being manipulated by the sowers of evil. We are sixteen years into the New South Africa - why would you think that those who would rid this country of 'whites' would need to wait "until they were ready to implement their labour laws"? No, they care not the consequences of any of their actions, but this they know that they would not succeed in raising any ethnic uprising, because by the grace of God alone, despite all that has come before us, there is no prevailing 'anti-white' hatred amongst black people, although the majority of us are richly deserving of it. Do you not think it possible that we might all otherwise be long gone, if I am wrong? To harbour prejudice is to swallow poison, and wait for the other to die. It debilitates, and skews vision. Yes, there are many, many hurdles yet to overcome in this country, and perhaps you yourself have been an unfortunate victim of racially motivated crime, but unless we can confront the evil in our own hearts, there is but one outcome for South Arica. So do you want to be part of the solution, as G.du Plessis suggests, or rather prefer be looked upon as a second class citizen, in an adopted home? No, a son of freedom lives at home. Read John 8:31-36.

      bl.saayman - 2011-04-04 19:41

      @Hopeforall - April 01, 2011 at 22:08 “………because by the grace of God alone, despite all that has come before us, there is no prevailing 'anti-white' hatred amongst black people, although the majority of us are richly deserving of it.” I beg to differ that there is no "prevailing anti-white” hate amongst the black majority. The divisive 2007 Polokwane Strategy and Tactics of the ANC as well as the racist objectives of the communist inspired and ongoing National Democratic Revolution (NDR) totally contradict your opinion. And the natural outcome of the NDR is genocide, ethnic cleansing, mass murders and the mass exodus of minorities to other continents. You are clearly not expressing the wishes, racist policies and objectives or the emotions of the majority correctly whilst 7thFloor was correctly articulating the observations and fears of the minorities. Who are you to dictate to other people how they must feel or may not feel?

      bl.saayman - 2011-04-04 19:46

      ..”although the majority of us are richly deserving of it.” You seem to realise that uncontrolled negative emotions such as amongst others anger, hatred, jealousy and pain for the perceived 360 years of oppression under colonial and apartheid rule is the major driving force of the tyrannical majority with their racist NDR. However, the tyranny of the majority since 1994 with its 17000 to 18000 and more murders per annum and hundreds of sexual assaults per day has already proven to be deadly for more people than anything we knew under colonial or apartheid rule. Those that feels threatened under these circumstances that do not have another home and are not able to immigrate have understandably a huge problem and counter-blaming them of racism because they are duly unhappy and speaking their minds is wrong. I wish that the good people in the ANC will realise the seriousness of the situation and will come to your senses rather sooner than later. As this will most probably not happen, I tend to agree with7thFloor when he “Wish they would just ban whites from SA, then at least we can seek asylum in other countries.”

  • Judith - 2011-03-10 20:40

    Any murder and any sort of crime requires action. However, farming communities are very vulnerable because of their isolation. The patrols have been removed, making them more vulnerable. These are the people who are providing our food. Somebody explain why they are not better supported by the police and why they are vilified by Water Affairs as well. We do need locally produced food, as we don't want to import more expensive food

  • Gabi - 2011-03-10 20:41

    What is the difference between 1 or 12 or 60 murders !! They should not be happenin , not on farms , not at our homes..... NOWHERE !!

  • Slapper - 2011-03-10 20:45

    Thats War Zone figures, which ever way you put it. SAPS need to start doing their job, instead of intimidating people on behalf of their political boss's. The Farm murder rate, as well as the geeral slaughter of the population would be unacceptable in Baghdad.

      NzWenz - 2011-03-10 20:50

      You guys are waisting your time commenting come over to a white mans country NZ we are civilised here. You just keep the new paper guys in a useless job. Lots work to rebuild Christchurch all whites welcome.

      Stefanus - 2011-03-10 21:13

      @Paul hahaha what do you think will happen when you 'take them away' you racist pig. If you wanna get rid of the Westerners why don't you get rid of all things that come from the West too.

      phillip.havenga - 2011-03-10 21:26

      No you fool the sooner you piss off the better.

      kerry.nel1 - 2011-03-10 22:10

      paulmandlankosi we are tierd of all the murders since 1990,nothing like this happened before 1990, what are you going to do when youn sit in the same situation as where Zimbabwe is now...... NO FOOD.... why???? because savages like you made it that way by killing innocent people who put food in the shops so you can fill that nasty stomache of yours!!!!!!!

      G.du Plessis - 2011-03-10 22:10

      Nzwenz. I am sad you did not want to stay and build SA following the demise of the autocratic apartheid regime. I for one want to improve SA. I pick up people off the floor of all colours who have been shot and stabbed. I am a paramedic and see awful things but am still determined to do my part and help all peoples. It is a small part to play but we all need to pull together to improve things...

      phillip.havenga - 2011-03-10 22:15

      @paulmandlankosi If you can bring proof that I ever said that then I will keep quiet. Until then piss off. None of my comments brought race into them, the ANC is made up of all races including white and they are all corrupt so until you get past your racist attitude please refrain from trying to lower me to your level, any thinking person irrelevant of race is upset with the current state of affairs regarding crime and unemployment in this country and until those that follow their government blindly believing all the crap they spew either wake up or piss off this country will never overcome it's current problems. We need thinking people not sheep.

      ErG - 2011-03-10 23:10

      @paulmandlankosi - you won't get rid of us that easily. I agree some whine too much, but we're also not going to just accept poor and corrupt governance.

      william.botha - 2011-03-10 23:11

      @NzWenz-Nah, NZ is too geo unstable. I'd rather go to Canada or Oz.

      william.botha - 2011-03-10 23:12

      @paulmandlankosi-Hey wena, nobody is reading this to you, you are reading it yourself. Tula wena. Don't read if you don't like the whining.

      phillip.havenga - 2011-03-11 06:57

      paulmandlakazi I pose the same question to you, Your racist comments are unwanted and uninvited, however this a PUBLIC FORUM and when you reply immediatley under somebodies post that is generally considered a response to them, I know this may all be a little much for you to comprehend but please try, thinking only hurts for a little while.

      Slapper - 2011-03-11 07:05

      @paulman. We are not going anywhere and in time to come, your more enlightened people will thank their lucky stars that we didn't. For you, I hope its too late

  • Nam - 2011-03-10 20:57

    Many plans, but few successes....what is wrong mr Mthethwa or are you addressing the wrong reasons for the murders and crime ?

      NzWenz - 2011-03-10 21:02

      I like your humour Paulmandlankosi you can come over as well when nothing is left there except poluted mine ground barren land no bird life and hand held out for food.

      paulmandlankosi - 2011-03-10 21:27

      It's a pity you can't accomodate all of them and most of the whinners are poor

  • Cyril - 2011-03-10 21:00

    Let the Farmers man Roadblocks and carry out Police functions in Rural areas. The Govt should pay and arm them to do that!!!

      Garth - 2011-03-10 21:15

      Why did they take away the commando units which gave support to the police in the rural / farm areas . If they bring these units back there will be better control .

      jan du preeaz - 2011-03-10 21:38

      jeez, and where will they put up this roadblocks brainwave? and what is the point of the roadblock? Garth, "commando" sounds like a "boer" war party boet, if they changed that name to rural safety security they would still have been in place, wake up, it is not pre 94' anymore, PC rule this country

  • Grazy - 2011-03-10 21:04

    I don't believe the 12. I will do some research on this one. Maybe on outlaying farms excluding smallholdings.

      Grazy - 2011-03-10 21:51

      Thought so. The links that I try to post get blocked. Will try another route to get the info out. It is for sure more than 12, but I could not sort it out of the total attacks on farms and smallholdings so fast. I ended at 14 for now and that was somewhere in January.

      paulmandlankosi - 2011-03-10 21:56

      Try

  • Proudly SA - 2011-03-10 21:50

    Dear Minister. I believe you are committed to reducing crimes on defenceless farmers and farmworkers. YOu can immediately initiate 2 very simple steps to see results. 1. ensure ANC Leadership immediately sanction destructive Malema for inciting racial conflict and making crime problem worse by frightening off investors; if necessary ensure he is arrested for role in many of the murders of raming community to date. 2. Set up Police Reservists where farmers and employees work activly with police to patrol areas and immediately respond to any incidents.

      paulmandlankosi - 2011-03-10 21:54

      Maybe it can work but to blame Malema for all the farm attacks, I think we are not fair to him and our intelligents

      G.du Plessis - 2011-03-10 22:13

      I agree with Paul. Malema gets too much attention. People who squeal about him increase his profile - a profile not worth increasing.

      Proudly SA - 2011-03-11 06:51

      I agree that Malema given far too much air time and newspaper space and we should not raise his profile; the biggest concern is that he is given a free reign when I am sure most of ANC Leadership fully aware he is inciting crowds and making completely unattainable stupid promises but it is convenient as it diverts attention from other failures and helps maintain support base. He is the equivalent of a 419 scam and the group he appeals to will be influenced by anything to get better deal.I am sure any Ministers involved with Finance, Economic planning etc must shudder when he takes stage as he is doing harm to economy & seriously affecting investor confidence and he is completely unaccountable. He has clearly got money from somewhere and at age of 30 lives more opoulent lifestyle and owns more assets (cars, house etc) than people who have worked lifetime and have created jobs for many; I work with many very intelligent young people from all race groups who have sacraficed a lot and worked very hard to get tertiary qualifictaions and all believe he is a complete idiot but concern is he is taking away ethos of hardwork away with all his empty unattainable promises.

  • Atoombom - 2011-03-10 23:46

    What a hairy twat! Must I give you a bag of marbles to learn to count?

  • Alwyn - 2011-03-11 07:11

    12 to many ,there is no way that it can be juctified

  • Donna Shepherd - 2011-03-11 07:36

    The number of murders is not the issue, the issue is the fact of the murder. There should not be any farm murders. We need to make it clear to the criminals committing such horrendous crimes that there are consequences to their actions, so as to deter such criminal actions.

  • annie.kalahari - 2011-03-11 07:56

    The minister is lying: the South african police maintains NO records of so-called 'farm-"crimes' any longer. They admitted as much in parliament late last year. Anyone who wants to find out the real number of attacks targetting Boer families on farms and smallholdings over the past year, should read www farmitracker com and access each report by date, detail and URL-links and photographs supplied. Since January last year, more than 1,000 have been logged there: And those are the ones people are told about: the SA police also has the vile habit of not reporting such vicious genocidal attacks unless they have arrested someone: then they get 'good news' propaganda mileage out of it. The ANC-regime cannot even begin to claim that they know these facts - because they don't even bother to report them to anyone. They go by the premise, I suppose, as did the nazi propaganda minister Goebbels, that if you tell a lie long enough people will believe it. Sorry fellers, life doesn't work like that any longer: people now have learned not to trust anything this regime says and have started maintaining their own records, which are much more detailed and up to date and verifiable than any 'news' item ever supplied by the police.

      CooP - 2011-03-12 18:44

      Well said

  • karin - 2011-03-11 07:59

    I wonder if we had a 2 minute silence for every 200 farmers killed in South Africa, (like the Kiwis after the earth quake) we would probably not work for 2 weeks.

      avocadoproducts - 2011-04-01 21:15

      i think the whites should strike a day for every day a farmer gets killed!!

  • Hardtail - 2011-03-11 08:00

    This is not funny, the minister in question is playing the stats game...

  • Mauritz Swanepoel - 2011-03-11 08:06

    I need to seriously ask each person here WHAT EXACTLY is it that anyone is proposing? Don't get me wrong, I see the true value of each farmer, and killing an innocent human being is wrong irrespective of their capacity, but each damn day there is comments "What about the killing of farmers", what about it? I mean there is killings everywhere, everyday. This is not an isolated scenario where only farmers gets killed, people from suburbs, complexes, townships, on the damn highway gets killed, every day. My more important question is what exactly do you propose the police does about this? Deploy a policeman to each house? I agree that the SAPS do not always jump us as the best police force in the world, but realistically you cannot complain if you cannot yourself propose a solution which will realistically capable and in the capacity of the SAPS. Most people commenting here clearly have never been on a farm before! Farms very often stretches km's wide and far apart, making farms the easiest of targets for a criminal as it's very unlikely that a farm robbery will be spotted. If you want to criticize at least do it with realism and proposals for something better. Oh and before we start jumping at the "Oh but it's Julius who is issuing the killings". Farm murders have been happening for years end long before Julius was even in the picture. It's not the ANC's fault, not SAPS or any other political organization. Want to blame someone? Blame the criminal.

      Jan - 2011-03-11 10:23

      Not the ANC's Fault ey? Gun Laws and the Commando's being closed ring a bell?

      nonamejv - 2011-03-12 17:51

      Blame to system

      rakolle - 2011-04-04 16:48

      I second you, and wish we all can have same solution toward this than pointing fingers out of no reason.

  • cosmic_99 - 2011-03-11 08:11

    oh well, when the masses can no longer fatten themselves on pap because there are no farmers left, maybe they will rethink their murderous ways....

  • Darwinian - 2011-03-11 09:14

    It a lie!!!

  • Santapola - 2011-03-11 09:37

    U must be happy that only 12 farm murderes counted since last year unlike pre 1994 where our black brothers and sister died..Anyway i know why there was no such incident at the farms coz the boere were all protected by the previous army..now they have to feel what we felt before..welcome boeretjies

      paulmandlankosi - 2011-03-11 09:46

      But those days were really bad.

      7thFloor - 2011-03-11 12:22

      Santapola you have just proven my point with your comments, read my above comments. The masses are out for blood and won't stop until they've rid the lot of us from SA.

      kerry.nel1 - 2011-03-12 03:05

      Why do you guys always bring the racist issue in the conversation??????

  • Gazza11 - 2011-03-11 10:16

    The ANC is more worried about the people getting killed by lightning.

  • Madelane - 2011-03-11 12:11

    Nitpik nitpik nitpik.....more rhetoric in a vain attempt to avoid the fundamental problem....this the ANC ministers do exceedingly well......endless talking to indicate how terribly clever they are while the portfolio they are responsible for falls apart about their ears. Spin doctoring and talk does not do the job nor is it the manner in which an intelligent person governs a country.

  • exocist - 2011-03-12 17:14

    more useless anc razzle dazzle before elections just another con enough said

  • synergy - 2011-03-12 20:09

    The west will come and give these animals a hiding if they try and rid of us all.

  • Joe - 2011-03-12 20:53

    Yes, and we all know how accurate SAPS stats are, and how reliable the sources are, and above all, how honest politicians are...

  • Xram62 - 2011-03-16 07:35

    Huh? "Mthethwa said a comprehensive rural safety strategy to enhance safety and security levels, accessibility to policing and service delivery to rural communities was recently developed and was in the process of being rolled out to all provinces." But we HAD one in place? Itr was called the Commando's? It worked? Thabo destroyed it? And now you want to put it back? Why is 90% of the ANC's activities fixing things that were in place and worked, which they destroyed and are now re-implementing? It was in place, wasn't it? It worked, didn't it? Words fail me...

  • Vincedust - 2011-04-05 06:19

    i'm a black south african but i cant seem to understand the laws of this country! 5 black men kills a family on a farm it's todays news and gone tomorrow! 1 white person kills a black person all hell breaks loose in this country, specially with that baboon hean called malema will turn it into a racial warfare. he will rally it for the next 6 months, so the minister must get he's head out of the ruling parties ass and start facing reality that innocent people are dying both blacks and whites o!! and coloureds so as indians. life is given and taken by our laws of this country

  • alutaazania - 2011-04-26 10:20

    I have a dream, to one day see both blacks and whites, attacking the problem of this country together, a dream of both Toyi toying for service delivery hand in hand, to one day have a dialogue on this forum, without colouring the problem, FACT this problems affect us all.e.g Farm murders....leave some black families worse off, in terms of unemployement etc....therefore effect on economy etc. But like i said ....i have a dream

  • Martin Foster - 2011-05-06 17:17

    60 Incidents in 5 months means 12 incidents per month, with 12 Murders (2.4 per month). This means we can expect another 144 incidents and another 16 murders on farms and smallholdings before year end. The powers that be have disbanded the Commando's and continue attempting to disarm honest citizens with their unconstitutional Firearm control act. The ANC government are negligently complicit of the rapes, robberies, tortures and murders of our men, women and children.

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