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Farmer gets bail after killing teen

2011-10-21 11:12

Polokwane - The Groblersdal Magistrate's Court granted a Limpopo farmer bail after he allegedly shot a teenager dead and wounded another for fishing on his farm, police said on Friday.

"He appeared in court yesterday [Thursday] and was released on R5 000 bail," Lieutenant Colonel Ronel Otto said.

The 57-year-old farmer was arrested on charges of murder and attempted murder after he allegedly fired shots at a group of boys fishing on a dam on his farm on Tuesday.

"The boys tried to run away after spotting him, but it is alleged that the farmer then fired shots at them with his shotgun," Otto said.

One of the boys, a 14-year-old, was hit on the head and a 17-year-old was wounded on the left hand.

Two other children escaped unharmed.

The farmer took the wounded teenagers to hospital where the 14-year-old was certified dead. The other boy was treated and discharged.

Precedent

Limpopo agriculture MEC Dipuo Letsatsi Duba condemned the bail.

"Although everyone has a right to a fair hearing, where it is clear as the sun that somebody has ... shot and killed the other, especially a poor little child, it should be condemned," she said.

"I believe bail should have been denied so that we set a precedent."

The department had sent messages of condolence to the family of the boys.

"We will definitely monitor the court case and believe the harshest sentence should be meted [out]," Duba said.

Otto said the man would appear in the Groblersdal Magistrate's Court again on December 12.

Comments
  • DarrenCooper68 - 2011-10-21 11:23

    Anyway you look at this it is just wrong. Even if the intent wasn't to kill, if you shoot at someone, chances are they will die. Kudos for at least taking the poor kids to hospital...

      Rodney - 2011-10-21 16:15

      Amazing how everyone, armed with no facts whatsoever, is handing out death sentences, revenge etc. How about waiting until the FACTS have been established before screaming for retribution? There is nothing in this article worth commenting on, everything, bar the fact one child was killed and another was wounded, is based on suspicion. If the other children were interviewed by the police, does anyone really believe they would tell the police exactly what they were up to if murder and robbery was their intention? Really, it's like a frikkin zoo at feeding time in here. Wait until the FACTS have been established before commenting.

      Lordwick - 2011-10-22 16:39

      @stupid defensive Levet,how can you say it's ANCYL? You are now taking this out of proportion cz of your stupidity...you already have an idea of the consequences of this piggy attitude!!!Don't worry the system would deal with him effectively.

      Kate - 2011-10-22 20:22

      @curtiswelliem. Best you don't generalise. It is the white people who put food in your mouths and pay taxes. What have you done for your brothers and more importantly for society?

      emile.eley - 2011-10-22 20:54

      Levett, you think you're being very clever, but I hope you realise that what you are saying is technically hate speech. You need serious help. Just hope and pray that karma doesn't bite you in your racist ass.

  • rynhardt.ferreira - 2011-10-21 11:26

    This is just wrong, it's not like he couldn't see thay were fishing. Ai, what is happening to this beautiful country of ours!!

      Levett - 2011-10-21 15:48

      I am sure that the investigation will show that the children do not have valid fishing licenses. So that was just a decoy to lure the farmer away from his house so that other ANCYL insurgents could rape his wife. The pro-active action that the farmer took to prevent just another senseless farm attack is very impressive. Well done Oom!

      Levett - 2011-10-21 16:28

      Getitok be realistic. The court immediately granted the poor Oom bail and only R5000. This means that they have already assessed that he is not a criminal and no danger to society. So it now just a matter of normal court procedure before the poor traumatised farmer will be declared innocent. And why hate me for that?

  • Jackie - 2011-10-21 11:29

    Come on this is pathetic! Killing a 14 year old child for fishing, i hope he rots in jail for the rest of his miserable life!

      Zebedi - 2011-10-21 12:07

      Jackie, the crime isn't fishing, it is trespassing on private property.The fact that they were fishing might well have only come to light after the shot was fired.How did the farmer know that they were not there putting poison in his dam? On a farm your water security is very important,absolutely everything depends on water. A shotgun has a wide dispersal of pellets, so there is a good chance that he pulled of a shot above their heads and the kids were hit by the strays. In SA with the farm attack rate as high as it is, if I saw a group of young men on my land I would also be out with a shotgun. A sad state of affairs, but reality in SA is harsh for those of us who live on farms and smallholdings.

      Levett - 2011-10-21 16:10

      @Zebedi: I think you hit the nail on it's head. No direct hit of a shotgun would kill only one suspect. This was a warning shot! I hope this poor Oom gets represented by the same attorney that handled the case against Malema so that he can remind the court of his warning about the effect of the "Kill the boer" song. I hope that the parents of the deceased suspect takes Malema to court for the loss of their son's life and the trauma brought over the poor elderly farmer.

      Dorothea - 2011-10-21 18:08

      jackie, you make claims that others are vindictive, and that their mothers will be raped..... i think that you need to get a grip on that temper of yours. and perhaps take a long hard look in that mirror of yours.

  • Vagav - 2011-10-21 11:30

    This guys shouldn't get bail. I'm sorry, maybe he was scared they were coming to kill him, but even so... what he did was incredibly irresponsible and he has shown that he is not capable of making rational decision and therefore should be removed from society. This should be an open and shut case...he shot the kids, he took them to hospital, he committed murder, what does he need bail for? Why should there be any delay in sentencing? Send the man to jail and be done with it.

  • Barend - 2011-10-21 11:34

    News24 should elaborate more on this article. I can't believe that people just get away with murder for R5000. This is just sending a clear message to any psychpath capable of reading. Shocking!

      Deon - 2011-10-21 11:52

      What probably saved him to get bail is that it was done on his property and his aim was to chase them away and he did take them to the hospital. I agree it should not have resulted in a death but the children should also respect other people's property - rather fish on municipal land or ask for permission.

      Sharmay - 2011-10-21 12:58

      He isn' getting away with murder. He posted BAIL. He still has to show up in court. Big difference.

  • sndashe - 2011-10-21 11:47

    People will always stick to their kind whether right or wrong and that is the nature of us humans. i'm black and proud, not rascist but do hate with a passion stupid white people like these one who are commending this crap. When i was 14 i did alot of stupid things cause i was a kid. no human whether black or white has the right to take another life, especially when your life or loved one is under threat. this guy should be hanged and burnt at the same time cause sad fact is sooner or later he will be killed and that's a fact and the story will be, blacks are rascist blah blah. to those of you who support and justify this i wish you are next and to those who are against this, i say we should take a stand to build a better country for ourselves for all of us, and fight for what is right and support what is right not cause of colour but cause of values and morals that we were brought up with. this is wrong

  • Peter - 2011-10-21 12:02

    Why the hell shoot at the boys with a shotgun? Is there no commonsense in this world (South Africa) anymore and do we have to kill every day?

      Adele - 2011-10-21 12:46

      Shotgun because he maybe lives on a farm? Sounds normal to me...They were trespassing, and believe me, I would also shoot with the biggest gun I possibly can if I felt that my life and that of my family are being threatened. Anyway, lets wait for the whole story, he probably warned them more than once. With these farm killings happening all the time, I would also fear for my life! They were not suppose to be there!

      charis.leriche - 2011-10-21 13:58

      @Adele They were running away when the farmer shot at them. There is no logic so stop trying to justify it. he's a murderer. plain and simple. i also used to live on a farm and have never shot anyone. weird, right? I have also trespassed on other people's property and nobody tried to shoot me.

      blipsie - 2011-10-21 14:09

      Adele we are very unlikely to get the whole story with the media's half assed reporting as usual. It's like the farmers who assaulted the guys over the veldfires. What the farmers had said to friends about what happened and what witnesses said, was very very different from what the media said. You really have to wonder. Terrible that a kid should have died though, regardless of it being on purpose or accidental.

      Adele - 2011-10-21 14:13

      @ charis - Do we know what the ENTIRE story is? Maybe he shot at them because they ran away and then took them to hospital? Thats weird? I dont have to justify anything because the farmers being killed isnt justified.

      Levett - 2011-10-21 16:20

      @charis: You make no sense. If they were innocent why did they run? These ANCYL vigilaties were obviously planning a farm attack. You can take it for granted that the investigation will show that they carried knives.

  • denise.wilshire - 2011-10-21 12:02

    As a mother, I grieve for the loss of another child. BUT let me put this into perspective for those of you who are unable to work this out for yourselves. You do not know what the history of this farmer is. In that area hundreds of farmers have been murdered and live under constant daily threat, where they cannot let their guard down for a second. Our ENTIRE population is traumatised and our lives are strained and unnatural due to our history. We lock ourselves up nightly and constantly look over our shoulders daily for potential attackers. This is the experience of all in South Africa. Our farmers are under seige and don't assume for a moment, that 14 year olds are incapable of murdering, raping and theiving, as across the entire population in all races we have a huge problem with the criminal element amongst our youth. If those children were on his farm illegally, they were trespassing and he had no guarantee that they were just "innocent children". Sadly, this has had a devastating outcome and since the farmer took the kids to hospital, he is not just an uncaring murderer. I feel sadness for the farmer too. I would not like to walk in his shoes. This whole situation is totally tragic. I am sure that there are many other factors to take into account. Before you judge, be sure of all the facts and be rational when you make your comments. Don't promote further violence and hatred with your irresponsible comments please, we have enough of that already.

      Zee - 2011-10-21 13:29

      no Mike, 1 day is 2 half days....

      Ina - 2011-10-22 17:10

      And that is the voice of reason! Well said,Denise. I really wish people would stop just putting their own interpretation on things before they have all the facts. They just stir up unnecessary hatred and ill feelings.

  • Rory - 2011-10-21 12:02

    Agh come on man! for flippen fishing in the dam you shoot them? Not cool man, not cool. I think this is a very good example of a no-win situation. Where's your brains oke?

  • Danie - 2011-10-21 12:07

    I do not feel the farmers action was right, although, why does the mec want to keep a close eye on this case, no one from government has made a statement to say they will keep a close eye on the louise de waal case or the eugene terreblance case. Why not make a clear statement and hang the farmer "killing children is terrible", chris mahlangu and the minor who clearly helped with the murder of e.t., and the sunday rapist. This way we would send out a clear message, killing children, raping children and children killing people will not be tolerated. My condolences to the family of the murdered child.

  • WarrenStylin - 2011-10-21 12:12

    Why are they not telling us the Farmers side of the story? Also, how many rapists, murderers get bail that just go out and do it again. This farmer clearly made a mistake and killed the boy unintentionally. He even took them to the hospital. I'm not saying that it's right but we need to hear all sides of the story before we judge. Given the farm murders, farmers are extremely tense when it comes to strangers being on their land uninvited.

      eric.klopper - 2011-10-21 17:10

      Not so long a ago there was a story in the news about a piece of filth that received bail after no less than 80 convictions and pending convictions for murder, rape, torture, theft. He was already out on bail numerous times for the other vicious crimes he was being convicted for. He had skipped bail numerous times and yet he still received bail. He was 18 years old, a BOY. As people mentioned the poor boys above. Also he was involved in farm crimes. So any politician who complains should talk a long hard look at the SA judicial system.

  • Mzamo - 2011-10-21 12:13

    He did not bother about lives of the poor boys! I won't be supprised if he wins the case (as they always do)! In Vryheid the farmer dragged a person with his bakkie - he was acquited! Another farmer fed his lions with Michael Chisale, he was also acquited! I wish they can learn that Africans also have a blood like them and they deserve to live!!

      Samantha - 2011-10-21 12:30

      all races deserve to live, it was wrong of this man to shoot this boy, but it shows, the tension in this country is so high, people fear everyday for their lives, and sometimes a simple thing like fishing on the wrong property can cost you your life :(-

      Jaco - 2011-10-21 12:32

      tit for tat i suppose. what about a 2 year old little white girl getting shot in the head execution style? Not so nice when it happens the other way around hey?

      Dorothea - 2011-10-21 18:36

      right back at you, mzamo. if you want to start sympathising, dont you think that the thousands and thousands of farmers/white people who have been killed/tortured and maimed by people with same skin colour as YOU should be a little more deserving? how very convenient of you to mention the FEW cases where your people are victims. may you one day also realise that whites also have blood flowing through their veins. may you one day realise that these farmers make it possible for you and your friends to shove you fat greasy fingers into pots of pap and gorge yourselves.

  • SDCopes - 2011-10-21 12:20

    As terrible as this action sounds, has anybody thought that there is possibly a reason why he used such extreme action for people fishing on his farm? And also this article assumes that the youngsters were just trespassing and attempting to steal fish from his dam and not potentially there for far more deviant reasons.

      tp.sibisi - 2011-10-21 12:28

      yes we thought stupidity

  • ina.f.chatwind - 2011-10-21 12:23

    @ Jack. So now you have to die for disobedience? Wow! I trespassed too as a kid. We stole oranges from a neighbouring farmers orchards. It was called adventure in those days. Damnit man, these kids were probably hungry.

      jacky.wrighton - 2011-10-22 17:03

      @Ina, yes, back in those days it was adventure. But that was before people were murdered in their homes every day, people of all colours and beliefs. Back in those days we used to play in the streets too - now our kids can't even walk to school. In fact, our kids are being killed IN their schools by other kids who carry knives and guns routinely. As a farmer, he is even more under threat than most, and 14 year olds are no longer innocent young kids, as they used to be - they have been proven to be just as dangerous as adults. And by that age, any kid in SA is well aware that you do not trespass on other people's property any more and expect to just get shouted at, as we used to. Thanks to the SA disregard for life and property, no-one today allows strangers on their land without permission, be it in cities or on farms - and very few would trespass without an uglier motive than just "fishing". If that was all those youngsters intended, they would have gone to the gate and asked permission - and in that area, had they asked politely would probably have received it. Most farmers are happy that a few carp and barbel are taken out of their water supply

  • Jackie - 2011-10-21 12:28

    @denise.wilshire blacks know the history of apartheid but they dont go around killing every white person. before you respond , please do remember that whites used to vote overwhelmingly for the national party government when blacks were disenfranchised. they are the most forgiving race of all the people that were ever oppressed in the past. jews are still hunting nazis to this day but with blacks they have sort forgiven. just dont make the mistake of thinking that they have forgotten.

      denise.wilshire - 2011-10-21 14:02

      Dear Jackie, What this article is all about is the terrible loss of yet another child and how this came to happen. Not to do with the black citizens of this country and their disenfranchisement or tolerance towards whites, no disrespect meant at all. Many folk as I do, understand this and appreciate it. Let me clarify. Our country needs to quit any action which takes us anywhere near the door of racial hatred and address the issues which are perpetuating the actions which fuel this. We could be a great nation, but we are sliding into chaos. A. The child who was killed might not have been a criminal, but the farmer probably acted out of self preservation as farm attacks are the norm and little or nothing is done about this. B. The child might have been hungry and was trying to feed itself. This is something which our government is not addressing at the urgency dictated by the rising levels of poverty in our country. Yet they waste billions on rubbish. C. There is not enough done to turn our "Rainbow Nation" into a dynamic and cohesive nation. D. Not all white people in this country voted for the National Party. Some of us voted United Party, mostly these were English language people. There were many who abstained from voting as they did not see merit in either party. You had the Conservative Party too, but they were a minority. E.We have been an oppressed country in one shape or form for as long as our history books show. Time to change! Time to grow up S.A.!

      Dorothea - 2011-10-21 19:00

      oh jackie, you really do insist on making yourself very unpopular. black are forgiving? hey????? so to what would you like to attribute the highest murder and rape stats in the world? to a 'forgiving' bunch of people????? i have many words which i would use to describe blacks..... 'forgiving' is certainly not one of them. they kill and drive out foreigners in the name of 'xenophobia', they go on their destructive rampages whenever they go on strike, they often rape/maim and torture for a mere R10... and jackie from Durban labels them as FORGIVING - oh my soul! just remember your words to me in a previous article about 'one day they will rape my dog and mother' - if i were you, i would keep my dog and my mother close..... you could be next and somehow i think your feelings would change....

      Kate - 2011-10-22 20:38

      @curtis. You have a big F**king big mouth. Best you shut the F**k up before it gets you into trouble. White people are not stupid. BTW have you seen a calendar lately? It is 2011 not 1994. Get your chip off your shoulder and grow up. PEOPLE LIKE YOU MAKE ME SICK

  • Masego - 2011-10-21 12:40

    People hate so much they don't even know when to stop this killings. How shortsighted is this farmer to kill a major....South Africans proper justice must be done we are getting tired of this killings....Loathe!!!!

  • matumbae - 2011-10-21 12:41

    this is crazy R5000 bail for child murder at attempted murder. If it was a black person who had shot a white child it was going to be something Well thats SA

      denise.wilshire - 2011-10-21 12:56

      Actually I am the mother of a murdered child and the cops did nothing except loose evidence and to this day not a single person has been arrested. So don't think that black people are the only ones who are suffering in this country. We are all at the mercy of crime and the our government who are doing nothing except furthering their own personal agendas. Educate yourself on what is actually happening in South Africa. We have gone from Apartheid to ANC hell in a heartbeat.

      Dorothea - 2011-10-21 19:09

      actually it is likely that if a white child had been murdered, the culprit would not be found. you are one angry black person. now get over yourself.

  • Trudy - 2011-10-21 12:49

    @ Johan. You are so filled with hatred. In that respect you are no better than Malema

  • Moi - 2011-10-21 12:53

    If, as they have reported, the children were running away and he still shot them, then he should never have received bail. Regardless of the current tensions, there is no excuse for shooting at two teens that were only fishing, while they were trying to get away.

  • africanwolf - 2011-10-21 12:56

    I want to hear the farmers side of the story too then I will make conclusions. until then I am quiet

  • Marion - 2011-10-21 12:56

    Kids running away do not constitute a threat to anyone. In fact even a criminal running away is no longer a threat to anyone. When we were kids we used to get up to all kinds of mischief like nicking fruit off the neighbours trees, playing toktokkie etc., and no one ever came after us with a shotgun although we did get into trouble for doing it if we were caught. He had a choice in this matter and he chose to shoot first and ask questions later. Now he must face the consequences for that. Was totally unnecessary and many lives ruined now and one kid dead.

  • Sabata - 2011-10-21 12:57

    the killing of any human being, irrespective of colour, is wrong and should be condemned in the strongest possible terms. why do we then try to justify or seek reasons as to why he did it? south africans are so full of hatred its scary.

  • Siya - 2011-10-21 12:58

    We are still going to see a lot of these hatred incidences taking place in our country, but it is very sad, sorry to the bereaved family. The law must take it cause.

  • DuToitCoetzee - 2011-10-21 12:59

    I have stole a lot of fruit at different houses and plots before. I was not hungry, but we "the boys" slip out of the school hostel at night and steel from everyone one or two....or 3 fruits.lol. It was more an adventure than anything else. There were laughable moments like the uncle who farted. We had to use sticks to screen the area in front of us for spring traps. We were once caught by the "koshuisvader" and got a hiding, but once some-one was letting a shot off. I am sure he just warned us and not aimed in our direction....I hope. My point is that I do understand times have change. Kids can do terrible things. People do murder farmers, but why aim at the children. Why not shoot a couple of shots in the air or ground. Afterwards lay an official claim at the police. Get a statement done and if the police warn the community or not, you have feet to stand on and taking further action. Maybe it was done and we have to wait for the full story, but to me shooting at children, fishing, is too much. I will not earmark this as normal farmer behavior, but rather see it as an interpretation and action of an individual to what is going on around him and in the country. The fact that he rush the children to a hospital tells me I must rather wait for more info......and so should all of you.

  • Nsephe - 2011-10-21 12:59

    Paul, these boys were fishing, they had no intention of Killing someone, I really do not see any justification for murdering such a young boy and further wounding another.

  • Nsephe - 2011-10-21 12:59

    Paul, these boys were fishing, they had no intention of Killing someone, I really do not see any justification for murdering such a young boy and further wounding another.

  • Marion - 2011-10-21 13:09

    Irrespective of what these kids were doing when he found them he should have fired a warning shot / shots in the air and AWAY from the direction the kids were at then none of this would have happened. I think it is a mitigating factor that he at least took them to hospital which shows regret for what happened in my opinion.

      Marion - 2011-10-21 13:32

      Getitok... Of course him taking them to hospital is a mitigating factor in the trial. You should change your name get it ok cos obviously you don't! Moron would be a more than adequate pseudonym for you 'cos now you suddenly have to drag ET's murder into this incident that has left many lives in ruin. Your lack of even a smidgen of intellect at all shows through in all your comments.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2011-10-21 13:42

      @Getitok....or you have too many Lagers in or you do not understand what Marion is saying. Yes, the fact that culprits phone the police will be taken into consideration or at least be investigated as this 'taking to hospital" will be. What was your point Getiktok? I will not lower myself to call some-one names, but I must admit that "tik" part in your name made it tempting.lol.

  • Deon - 2011-10-21 13:13

    Everybody has had enough of the farm killings, and the government appears to be unable to deal with the issue sufficiently or is just dragging it's heals. Before 1994 our country had a commando system in place that was very effective in the farming areas, but our current government disbanded the system.Farmers had had enough of all these killings and in this incident it appears to have reached boiling point. However to shoot at a person for fishing on ones land is totally irresponsible. Nobody can justify such actions neither is there any grounds of justification for the farmer's action.To trespass and "steal fish" does not warrant the use of a firearm especially when the culprits are running away (your life was not in danger bottom line) This is a very sad and uncalled for incident.

      Marion - 2011-10-21 13:38

      This death will also be recorded as a farm murder for statistics.

  • Melinda - 2011-10-21 13:25

    @Getitok - I agree with the death Penalty, but keep in mind when we where growing up There was no Malema or shoot the boer songs going arround. Look at the age of the kid that killed ET, farmers are living in fear and they have a family to protect..

  • DuToitCoetzee - 2011-10-21 13:27

    I think news24 must close this article for comments. You all rev each other up with attachments and stuff without knowing the full story. Children 14 yr and 17yrs and...? tress-past and were fishing at(the article say "on") a dam. The owner spot them and they run away. The owner shoot directly at them and killed one and wounded another one. The owner took these two to the hospital. One was declared dead and the other treated and discard. The owner was taken into custody, but court decide that he can be released on R 5000 bail. This is all that is standing out in the story. Why they ignore the owners property rights, why the owner use a gun or shoot directly at them, why he rush them/took them to hospital, why the court decide that he can get bail at R 5000 is not know to us yet. So please stop playing the score-board and wait for more info. Things get said that just bring out the worst in all of us.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2011-10-21 13:51

      Sorry, he was not discard. Rather discharged. :)

  • Julias - 2011-10-21 13:28

    Dipuo Letsatsi Duba YOU CAN GO ...... what about et murderers they got bail or the Marzanne attackers the 1 coward ran back to moz so screw you want to set a precedent start with your brothas murdering plundering raping as they please

  • Zee - 2011-10-21 13:39

    Let's not get carried away here before we hear the full story. We all know that the media does not always give the right info. It's terrible that a child died but maybe we dont know the full story yet. Condolences to the family of the child.

  • Jannie - 2011-10-21 13:40

    Guys do you not think the correct and logic thing would have been to request permission to fish ?? In todays climate the law is taken into everyones own hands even when it comes to fishing on private land

  • nomzamo.kongola - 2011-10-21 13:55

    he killed a boy for fishing, so what if it wasnt a farm murder, his actions are disgusting, u cant kill innocent children, sorry this aint apartheid south africa i hope he rots in jail

      Deon - 2011-10-21 15:45

      Trespassing has never been innocent even as a child, they should have known better and so the farmer.

  • Samantha - 2011-10-21 14:08

    it is horrible to kill children period!- i have also seen those articles of the young child killed in a farm murder- why isnt that important?- what did she do to deserve her end? - no one race is more important than the other- children are innocents, and unfortunately they are the victims in the adults war :(- so much for a brighter future when the future is being killed at every opportunity-

  • Jimmy - 2011-10-21 14:16

    Mal-ema has sparked a horrible vibe of hatred, murder and all evil things. All that we bragged about in the new South Africa ,of a rainbow nation is dying and that is very sad.

  • Warwick - 2011-10-21 14:37

    Something fishy here. The truth will come out. But them again dishounorable minister, Tereblanches killers have been granted bail.

      blipsie - 2011-10-21 15:01

      Warwick, are you serious? The one guy is a Zimbabwean, lets guess how long hes going to hang around for.

  • ian.bosch - 2011-10-21 15:54

    today the fish tomorrow the farm and mines.. they got what thye desrved, these ancyl criminals..

      Trudy - 2011-10-21 16:34

      And one day you will get what you deserve. Your hatred will consume you

  • gregoryjgrove - 2011-10-21 16:31

    Someone should explain to the MEC how bail works and what appropriate reasons are for denying bail. He clearly doesn't get it...

  • Linda Mbongwa - 2011-10-21 16:44

    Hear, hear. They rejoice at the death of a child. Careful what you wish upon others...karma is a motherf****r.

  • ogodisengk - 2011-10-21 18:32

    ohk the guy or shud i say OOM shot to kill and get a bail of 5000 no wonder ANCYL is like this. its time our ruling party do something.

  • Gail - 2011-10-21 18:59

    Why is the man granted bail? He didn't point that gun by mistake nor fire it at the group. What did he think would happen? I really don't understand why shots to warn them off were not fired into the air and the fact that he took them to hospital and handed himself over doesn't make what he did any less reprehensible.

  • Karen - 2011-10-21 19:57

    Unbelievably sad!!! If this is the whole story though, I hope the farmer has hell to pay! Deepest condolonces to the family! This is just tragic ...

  • Gavin - 2011-10-21 20:29

    I think this oke was gatvol, but still wrong

  • Adair - 2011-10-22 17:58

    I'm sure that a warning shot in the air would have been sufficient.I hope he is in for the high jump.

  • melissa.lottering - 2011-10-22 19:07

    I cannot believe there are people condoning the murder of a teenager. Have you really never 'trespassed' as a kid or fished without a license? You people represent exactly what is wrong with our society. Shame on you. Accident or not it's tragic.

  • wesley.madelein.muir - 2011-10-23 09:38

    Three sides to a story, and there seems to be a lot of info omitted here.

  • Sir-Themba - 2011-10-23 13:13

    Now just imagine if the farmer had spotted a white kid in the group? This is the farm - black and white kids play together because they know no racial segregations - and alot you guys who grew up in the farm would agree. Now it would for once help - If you a Christian - to look at this not as a black and white thing and say "hey this is murder and we don't need such in our country" its funny how some of you always justify the killing of a black person by a white person.....MURDER IS MURDER- CAN I HEAR "DEATH PENALTY AGAIN" oh no, Oom is white and his innocent, right. hahahaha hypocrites COME JUDGEMENT DAY.

  • Sir-Themba - 2011-10-23 13:18

    You're not to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.

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