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Farmer shoots dweller's bull

2012-02-24 09:42

Johannesburg - A farmer in Komgha in the Eastern Cape shot a bull owned by dwellers on his farm saying it was a threat to his livestock, according to a report on Friday.

Marius Potgieter said the bull was not supposed to have crossed the fence that separated his yard from its owner Vuyani Mgema's yard, the Dispatch Online reported.

The bull flattened the fence and crossed it with ease.

“Yes I did shoot and kill that bull. Obviously the matter would go to court and I will defend my rights,” Potgieter was quoted as saying.

“The bull kept on dragging on my fence, fighting and hurting my cattle."

Mgema found the bull on Sunday with a bullet hole to its shoulder.

There had been a feud brewing between Potgieter and the Mgema family, after the family received the bull from the department of rural development and agrarian reform for breeding, the Dispatch reported.

Comments
  • stalin.rudolf - 2012-02-24 09:48

    take away his firearm licnce, and SPCA must charge him for cruelity to an animal. such intolerant behaviour must be discouraged and dealt with harshly.

      Colbrin - 2012-02-24 09:51

      Obvious another idiot speaking out of his office!

      msendi - 2012-02-24 10:13

      Imagine if it is Vuyani Mgema who shot the farmers bull!!! Its was going to be a genocide against farmers cattle…

      Gustav - 2012-02-24 10:19

      stalin, you have no clue how farming works... so shhh.

      TSR01 - 2012-02-24 10:24

      See my reply to Thoka :)

      Gustav - 2012-02-24 10:24

      and now i'm going to take away your pc and charge you with idiotic comments

      John - 2012-02-24 10:25

      Msendi, Imagine that Vuyani Mgema shot the bull of Tsepo Ramapoza. Will that be in the news?

      Brad - 2012-02-24 10:36

      You clearly haven't a clue about farming! A Bull on the loode is dangerous and a threat to the other farmers bulls. Also it can Quela your cows and mess up your breeding program, or spread diseases. And then there's the damage to prioperty. Stick to whatever it is you know about Stalin. A closed mouth gathers no foot!

      msendi - 2012-02-24 10:37

      @John… If it is a between people of different races especially blacks and whites, it always attracts attention to the media because people are interested in this kind of stories. The problem is that we don't get positive stories…

      Poloyatonki - 2012-02-24 10:59

      So these two guys couldnt agree on building a strong fence to separate their livestock. Now they have to spend money on lawyers, how stupid is that....

      joneethling - 2012-02-24 11:34

      Backward. Par for the course.

      Goldie - 2012-02-24 11:44

      Brad, you took the words right out of my mouth! Some of the commentors have obviously never visited a commercial farm, never mind have any idea about breeding and keeping cattle. Clearly a fellow plaasjapie!

      Poloyatonki - 2012-02-24 11:44

      So you guys are happy if a boer kills a bull for crossing the fence but you dont want a lion to be killed for killing a black man. We really leave in sick society.

      Brett - 2012-02-24 14:25

      At least the farmer didnt tie the bull to a tree before shooting it. Or murder the bulls family.

      jonathan.seagul.5 - 2012-07-08 10:56

      I developed a VAPORATER GUN. It shoots a gamma ray at the target making it dissapear into thin air - never to be seen again. It works particulary well on irresponcible taxi drivers, corrupt politicians, people posting stupid posts on NEWS 24 and people with no sence of humour. Go to www.i-am-a-dumb-ass.co.za to place your free order.

      harold.parsons.37 - 2012-07-08 12:21

      stalin you are not a farmer. this is once again a problem by farm workers who lack a sense of resposibility because of what they think are their rights to own animals without consequences.

  • Gustav - 2012-02-24 09:49

    Yawn.... and this is in the news because?

      Gustav - 2012-02-24 10:20

      was the bull black??? hahahahahahahahahaha

      John - 2012-02-24 10:27

      Becouse Mgema family received the bull from the department of rural development and agrarian reform for breeding ...and obviously becouse white farmer shot the bull of non-white farmer. I wonder why didn't had a heading "FARMERS WENT ON WAR"

      Burtfred - 2012-02-24 12:54

      I'll have mine medium rare, thanks.

  • David - 2012-02-24 10:07

    With the bull now dead meat,will the farmer step in and cover the dweller's cows for the year?Hehe..

      Susan - 2012-02-24 10:32

      you have a serious problem.

      George - 2012-02-24 11:13

      No bull

  • msendi - 2012-02-24 10:07

    May the bull rest in peace…

      George - 2012-02-24 11:17

      Very nobull of you.

      Sonnyjakes - 2012-02-24 13:05

      Msendi, see you at McDonalds tonight. Fresh patties man!

  • smahlaba - 2012-02-24 10:12

    This matter could have been handled way better then this. Shame on Mr Pot.

      TSR01 - 2012-02-24 10:24

      Kindly refer to my above response to user Thoka

      TSR01 - 2012-02-24 10:51

      Why the thumb's down? Can't handle the bare truth? Really now, children shouldn't be using the internet. The farmer acted within his legal capacity. Thumbs up to that. :)

      Kai - 2012-02-24 11:43

      TSR01, the people giving the thumbs down haven't seen a bull or cow before and think that the farmer shot a ball which was kicked over his fence.

  • Cast53 - 2012-02-24 10:19

    The people on the forum that do not know anything about farming please don't comment. The dwellers never treat their cattle for diseaeses and if it infect the farmers cattle do you think that the farmer will be compensated for the loss of his herd - which ten to one is his lively hood and that of his family. The onus is on the dweller to keep his bull fenced in.

      Marthinus - 2012-02-24 10:26

      Exactly my thoughts.

      TSR01 - 2012-02-24 10:27

      Agreed, and that's not even mentionioning that the dweller's received that bull for free from the dept. of rural development - it wasn't something they paid for, so why are they complaining so much? They should just file a report with the dept. and request a replacement, and repair the fencing / property division. :)

      msendi - 2012-02-24 10:27

      So you mean the farmer had a right to shoot the bull. I think it was better if they met and tried to resolve the issue peacefully. Shooting the bull will never solve the problem except creating hatred that is already a problem between farmers and their neighbours…

      Gustav - 2012-02-24 10:27

      yippp and your bull in my yard means "MY BULL", so then i am allowed to shoot to kill, of wat se jy dan nou bheki cele...

      Johnny Newsman - 2012-02-24 10:29

      Totally agree Cast53! That Bull may have killed some of Potgieter's stock, and who was going to replace his stock - the Department of Help the Incompetent Farmers Destroy our Food Security Hopes?

      Putin the " - 2012-02-24 10:32

      WTF? you are a racist,can we kill you then? stupid comment indeed

      Cast53 - 2012-02-24 10:47

      The department of agriculture gave him a bull, then they expectthe dwellers cattle to graze on the farmers land as his herd are growing. Take this into perspective - If you have a factory and I go into your factory and start setting up my own factory and start production so you can not use that part of the factory anymore, would you just let it go??? Oviously not, farming is a business like any other and people should start realising it.

      Irene - 2012-02-24 11:01

      Cast53 ~ Your comment is logical which is why it won't be understood.

      Farai Fatso Z - 2012-02-24 11:11

      Probably the only bull he had and such arrogancy was shown to a poor man who probably had this only bull as his prized possession, even if donated, if he per chance get the opportunity to knw of these sentiments displayed by the majority of commentators here..... This farmer will be another statistic, sad and barbaric as it is

      Cast53 - 2012-02-24 11:20

      Thanks Irene - the problem is that a lot of people did not grow up on a farm and do not understand the complexities behind it. They think you go to a farm and see your money grow (the cattle just get more and more). On a farm next to us 5 families from the city decided to retire in the last couple of years because it is an good an easy investment all of them lost all their hard earned savings and had to start working again for a boss in the city. This farming is just protecting his livelyhood

      harold.parsons.37 - 2012-07-08 12:26

      Do city dwellers know that many people are gored by cattle every year. A bull is alethal animal and should not be allowed in the hands of a fool. The dept of AGRI must take responsibility for this.

      harold.parsons.37 - 2012-07-08 12:28

      Msendi you cant negotiate with a raging bull that keeps braking fences.

  • Johnny Newsman - 2012-02-24 10:20

    Lovely start to the Super 15, they lost Heyneke, and now..another Bull down! Go POTTIE!

  • Kogie - 2012-02-24 10:24

    what a whole lot of bull. i wouldnt blame the farmer. look at the cows and bulls on the freeway,and these dont belong to white farmers. these should be regarded as stray animals, and nothing is being done about it. wake up people, there are crights and wrongs.-and then there is the law.

  • JJ - 2012-02-24 10:27

    The funny thing is, people here want to protect a lioness that KILLED a man claiming it is instinct and human error. But they think it's okay to kill a bull which was crossing a fence? Bloody hypocrites...

      DSBennie - 2012-02-24 10:44

      The lion that killed the guy was a wild animal that he was working with knowing the risks, someone in a village has every right to kill a lion that is attacking them!

  • elbey.g.louwrens - 2012-02-24 10:34

    wow wait one minute common sence tells me "phone the SPCA" If I was a big bull and i resieved no food no water Ill take my chance crossing a fence this is a novist farmer witch resieved this animal throw goverment! Clearly he need help with farming unfotunit he has a bad relasionship with his neibour who sounds like he would be a experianced livestock farmer help each other on equal ground please

      Bandile - 2012-02-24 10:54

      Holy sh.t! You sound disadvantaged! Just like old Joseph downstairs. And Thoka upstairs.

      Herman Steytler - 2012-02-24 11:05

      I haven't seen so many spelling and grammar mistakes in my entire life! Lewer kommentaar in afrikaans of is jy besig om gat te vat met die mense?

      Susan - 2012-02-24 11:10

      People! Can can't all type well! We arn't all IT-nerds who stared typing from the age of 3! He gets his point across. Thats good enough.

      Gcwabe-KaMavovo - 2012-02-24 11:21

      And really, you deduced all these facts from what exactly?

      elbey.g.louwrens - 2012-02-24 11:59

      No experienced farmer gets livestock for free! Shooting a big animal and killing it cleanly(fast) takes experience. A animal will only risk injuring itself to survive! As for people comparing shooting your neighbour dog because its in your yard (your animal is your responsibility) take good care of it! P.S. I'll never shoot my neighbours dog because I know and respect the people.

      elbey.g.louwrens - 2012-02-24 12:55

      @ Herman Steytler-your right we need more people like u in schools around RSA. Feedback on your comment: I did not find it constructive ,maybe u should have written it over in the correct manner. It was off topic do u think I have a point or not?(no points for spelling and grammar thanks) Relax learn to let go!

  • phathuchicos - 2012-02-24 10:44

    Ah come-on does he have to be that rude to his neighbours and what kind of message is he sending to the community...what happened to ubuntu.

      Cast53 - 2012-02-24 13:00

      There a difference between neighbour and dweller (putting up a shack and claiming the land)

      ngoako.mathekga - 2012-02-24 13:44

      @Cast53 even if that was the dweller you cannot justify this, it is totally wrong to take law into your own hands. People must learn to live with each other with UBUNTU and RESPECT.

      Cast53 - 2012-02-24 14:22

      Who was going to help this farmer? Not the police that is foresure

  • Bandile - 2012-02-24 10:46

    On whose land is the dwellers dwelling?

  • Frikkie - 2012-02-24 10:46

    Dwellers on HIS farm. That says enough. Oh and Ja.. I and have been attacked by a bull before..... freaken scary... I made it by the skin of my teeth.

      Bandile - 2012-02-24 10:59

      It's an old trick by the government to support squatters on farms. Providing them with anything from livestock to boreholes to ignoring farm murders. To FORCE the farmers out. Not thinking beyond their relatively short noses.

  • Yolandè Rwaai - 2012-02-24 10:55

    The one thing that's become very clear to me having read all comments made on this site on every article is that, comments are based on race, ALWAYS! Not what's wrong or right or what's moral & immoral, just RACE! Which is quite sad not to mention ignorant.

  • Nathi - 2012-02-24 11:01

    You city folk have no idea of what farming livestock is like. First off, cattle are the hardest animal to maintain and regulate when it comes to farming. Cattle will roam on average 15-30km in a day fence or no fence(away from where they are corralled). A bull like all male animals in mother nature will try to stake out a territory and fights will break out (the same fights that this farmer has to deal with, within his own herd). So please don't go the political and SPCA route of BS!!!! How would you feel if your neighbour shot your dog because it was mating/fighting with their dog. C'mon people. Really?!!!

      Herman Steytler - 2012-02-24 11:15

      What about the spread of disease, etc? Maybe this farmer saw that there might be something wrong with the bull and wanted to protect his own herd.. I've read enough articles on news24 on things I know about to realise that vital info is sometimes left out..

      Susan - 2012-02-24 11:18

      Nathi if you cannot keep your animals fenced in effectively, you are not a farmer. Farming is indeed not easy and farming with livestock requires a lot of work, money and knowlege. If you can't do it, then dont.

  • Carl - 2012-02-24 11:20

    Its got nothing to do with race! This is just another sensationalist article about black vs white. Where I farm a white farmer shot another white farmers bull for the same reason (I'm not saying that shooting the bull is correct) but you didn't see that story here! Get off your high horses and move on...

  • Andrew Worrall - 2012-02-24 11:22

    Was this bull playing in pink?

  • Nyiks11 - 2012-02-24 11:26

    Pottie Potgieter , Mgema is your future landlord ek se

  • Nonku Butelezi - 2012-02-24 11:53

    So you guys are saying he was justified for killing the bull? Yippee! That settles it, I'm going to shoot the dog that always comes in my yard, I'll also be justified right?

      Nonku Butelezi - 2012-02-24 12:39

      Thing is cast53 I'm also not safe in my own yard just like the farmer & it destroys our property just like it destroyed the farmer's. Just like there's much speculation on what the bull could've done I too won't wait until the dog does something. Justified right?

      stephanie.sutherland41 - 2012-07-08 10:37

      nonku - the property i am on has 7 bulls each with its own little herd all of different breeds. Proper fencing keeps these animals from getting to each other by using lanes to seperate paddocks housing the different bulls. If the dweller asked for assistance from the farmer to secure his bull, this problem could have been avoided. If a strange bull tries to contaminate my breeding herd i will try to coral it and have it impounded, and if that does not work i would also shoot it to protect my herd bloodlines. Good breeding herds can take generations to perfect that exact bloodline for good breeding results, and a feral bull can destroy that hard work by covering valuable breeding stock, creating unwanted genes in the cycle. Cattle farming is bussiness and expensive, taking extensive research. One callous act can destroy that farmers entire breeding herds cycle and cause the killing of all those unwanted newborn calves, costing the farmer huge amounts of money. Its not politics, its economics....

  • emokgojoe - 2012-02-24 12:00

    @MSENDI...YOURE RIGHT IMAGINE IF IT WAS THE FARMER'S BULL SHOT...

      harold.parsons.37 - 2012-07-08 12:33

      A real farmer never lets his cattle stray on a regular basis. Read the Article this bull was a nuisance. It was bound to be put down . The Dept of AGRI ignored the problem they created.

  • chris.heiberg - 2012-02-24 12:16

    Kill that thing dead bru!

  • roi.boss1 - 2012-02-24 12:19

    he is jealous of the bull

  • FlowerOfCha0s - 2012-02-24 12:26

    a bull on the loose is a big risk to any other animal, aspecially cows with calves etc, they just trample them to death... i 100% agree with shooting the bull in order to protect your own, if the owner of the bulle neglected taking the necessary measures to ensure his bull was in his place, that's not the farmer's problem...

  • Mona - 2012-02-24 12:45

    This story does not make sense!!

  • stalin.rudolf - 2012-02-24 13:23

    hey gustav and all the imbecilles who want to take my pc. did you think before you commented or you just did what comes natural to you? if you fence is up to standard will a bull tear it apart. most of us farmer lack education, people skills, and tolerance. the majority of farmers is just bull headed. this was purely a violent threat to the owner of the bull. what happens when this farmers cattle cross into the other okes fields, must he also retaliate and kill them?

  • ngoako.mathekga - 2012-02-24 13:40

    Does that mean it was the only way to solve this problem? it wouldn't have taken anything to talk to the owner. Selling it by the owner would have done justice for both of them. Undermining someone like that is wrong and it send a bad message out there.

  • Sonnyjakes - 2012-02-24 13:45

    Intolerant farmer? Bull wanted to stich his cow?

  • Virginia - 2012-02-24 14:30

    Agree - confiscate this man's firearm as he is clearly not mentally stable and shouldn't own one. Also I sincerely hope a vet was called immediately to attend to this poor animal and then finally absolutely right - SPCA should lay a charge of cruelty or whatever. Again it makes no diff whether the 2 men were of different races - the issue is that one of them intentionally shot an innocent animal. Plain and simple - and yes I have lived on a farm.

      pur.pleibus - 2012-07-10 09:47

      Near where I live roaming cattle wander onto a busy road often causing serious accidents. The SPCA conduct patrols and regularly shoot these straying cattle. The blame lies squarely on the owner. If your cattle stray they get shot. Simple.

  • merrick.james - 2012-02-24 16:00

    hey guys @ News 24 get with the programme ... KOMGHA changed the spelling back in the 60's to Komga !!!!!

  • kameeldoringnamibia - 2012-07-08 00:00

    Dt is seker n jong bul. Ou bul sou by die hek in gegaan en koeie gespyker het.

  • jonathan.seagul.5 - 2012-07-08 10:41

    The people resonding negatively about this has no clue what they are yapping about. Obviously this is not the first time that this has happened and it is the responcibility of Mgema to keep his bull out of his neighbors farm. The havoc that such a stray bull can cause on ones livestock is real. Will Mgema be willing to compensate Potgieter for his damages if that had happend or should he have waited until it had happened and then argu for years to achieve nothing. There is nothing racial about this so don't even try and go there. Also no need to take his firearm licence away and report him to the SPCA like that one idiot said. One shot - dead no cluelty in that unlike tying a cow to a tree and slid her throat and allow her to slowly bleed to death. Please refrain fom commenting on a subject if you are an idiot and knows nothing about the subject.

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