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Fired Amplats workers gather for protest

2012-10-06 10:16

Rustenburg - Some of the 12 000 miners sacked by the world's largest platinum producer gathered on Saturday to protest their dismissal and mourn a colleague killed in clashes with police.

Around 100 miners started arriving at a stadium in Rustenburg, to debate how to respond to the mass dismissal by Anglo American Platinum (Amplats).

"Last night I received a message to say I've been dismissed because of the illegal strike," said Mkhari, 23, who only started work two months ago.

"It's not right. I've a lot of debt, a child, rent..." said his friend Mpoti, also 23.

Police armoured vehicles parked outside the stadium, while a helicopter circled the area.

Marikana murder


Meanwhile, in the nearby town of Marikana a union branch leader at a different mine was shot dead Friday evening, his union said.

"A branch secretary of the union at Western Platinum was shot and killed at his house in Marikana this (Friday) evening," said National Union of Mineworkers spokesperson Lesiba Seshoka.

Unions have come under fire as workers reject the traditional negotiation structures and accuse their guilds of conniving with mine managers.

Around 28 000 Amplats workers have been on a wildcat strike for three weeks at the firm's sprawling facilities in Rustenburg, which account for around a quarter of world platinum production.

Amplats on Friday said the miners failed to appear before disciplinary hearings "and have therefore been dismissed in their absence".

It is the latest crisis to hit South Africa's vital minerals sector, which has been crippled by a wave of violent disputes over miners' pay since August.

The company said the strike had so far cost R700m in lost revenue.

"Despite the company's repeated calls for employees to return to work, we have continued to experience attendance levels of less than 20%," Amplats said in a statement.

Violence


But with many miners unwilling to give up their demands for higher pay and Amplats taking a tough line, the spectre of violence looms.

In August 46 people died during a strike at the Lonmin platinum mine in nearby Marikana.

"Things now are tuning to a point," said Gaddhafi Mdoda a worker and activist. "They are leaving us with no choice."

At least seven people have been killed around Rustenburg in strike-related violence this week.

Late Thursday one miner was killed when police used tear gas and rubber bullets to disperse a group of 300 illegal strikers protesting on a hilltop close to the mines.

The independent police watchdog is investigating the man's death "as the incident appeared to have arisen from police action," according to police spokesperson Emelda Setlhako.

With around 100 000 workers currently on strike across the country, President Jacob Zuma - who has publicly kept his distance from the crisis - has called for the work stoppages to end.

"We should not seek to portray ourselves as a nation that is perpetually fighting," he told business leaders in Johannesburg.

Investors, already spooked by earlier violence, warned Friday's dismissals could deepen a crisis that has already paralysed an industry that accounts for around 20% of the country's GDP.

"The government is doing nothing," said Peter Attard Montalto, a strategist with Japanese bank Nomura, who warned the strikes had already shaved 0.2 to 0.3% off third quarter growth.

Analysts have warned that the strikers' demands will result in job losses in the country where one in every four employable people is already out of work.

In February, Amplats' rival Impala Platinum fired 17 000 workers, only to rehire them a few weeks later as part of a wage agreement.

Amplats on Friday indicated it was open to "exploring the possibility of bringing forward wage negotiations within our current agreements".

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Comments
  • Justin - 2012-10-06 10:22

    "It's not right. I've a lot of debt, a child, rent..." said his friend Mpoti, also 23 Guess they should have thought about the consequences beforehand.

      smuts.mike - 2012-10-06 10:31

      Agree

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-10-06 11:08

      The question that people like you need to ask Justin is : How long can SA employers continue to pay wages at a level that gives the country the WORST GINI coefficient in the world. I dont think you are smart enough to see the relevance of that question ...or to know the answer ...so perhaps ask yourself another question : How can I get a Visa?

      frikdt - 2012-10-06 11:09

      ...and his buddy Mkhari goes on strike after being employed for only two months. Why TF did he take the job then?

      frikdt - 2012-10-06 11:19

      philip.harris, the question you need to ask yourself is: How can unschooled labour expect to earn a higher basic salary than people having tertiary qualifications in various disciplines - i.e. the ones fortunate enough to actually have jobs?

      Justin - 2012-10-06 11:44

      Phillip, maybe you should ask yourself..... what good would a visa do? Majority of the employees in the world do not earn what they feel they should yet you do not see massacres and assasinations like we have in SA. Have a look at the Global Wage Report for the past three years. I would rather work for peanuts than nothing at all.

      edward.patterson.923 - 2012-10-06 11:47

      @philip; "How do I get a Visa?" Is that really your goal. SA is at a turning point. For 18 years there has been majority rule. Now the question should be asked will SA go the way of so many other African nations with infighting and civil unrest? Your comments about GINI coefficient are interesting. Check out this Wiki article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_coefficient Note the dark red just above SA. Maybe that should give all pause before the pot in SA boils over. Robert, for all of his posturing as a man of the people, has destroyed a once robust economy. I'm not saying that there weren't many factors involved there but it is an all to common occurrence in Africa. And far too many African nations are either experiencing civil unrest (civil war) or have just come out of unrest or war with several going back for another round of devastating fighting. Wouldn't it be a great example to Africa for SA to solve these problems without the violence?

      sarecen.smith - 2012-10-06 12:15

      you got to just love that mentality.

      stephanie.sutherland41 - 2012-10-06 12:44

      @frikdt - FYI- these so called uneducated miners would be earning 6 x your salary if they applied to foreign mines that have huge shortages of skilled miners. They may not have a degree, but if the pawpaw hit the fan, they would be able to use their skills in any country in the world and be assured of employment. People in SA put way to much value on a Degree, here someone with experience will have peeps with degrees for a lacky. I places like Australia, miners earn huge salaries, as they work 12 hour shifts in very remote locations away from family for months at a time and under very harsh conditions. Open mines can have temps of up to 60 degrees, thus all machines have airconditioning. Miners in Australia don't strike either, they would be replaced within hours, and thats how the real world works.

      frikdt - 2012-10-06 13:03

      @Stephanie.Sutherland: You don't have to teach me how the 'real world' works. I've been in industry for over 12 years. And I've been working long hours on reheating furnaces in atrocious conditions similar to your 60 degrees environments. You know the funny part: Those operators did earn more than me with my Chem. Eng. qualification, but I did not go on strike - I kept on doing my job. And yes, those people do earn huge salaries overall, but you've said it yourself - it comes from overtime, working long shifts, low cost housing, etc. Fact is, their basic salaries are lower than those of qualified people. And now my question to you: How can a 23 year old person with 2 months working experience demand a higher basic salary than many graduates who have been working for years? The irony is the people with the qualifications actually just get on with it, while the those who can least afford it go on strike. Finally given your assertion that these people are so highly employable, how about providing a few jobs for them in Aus - there are 12000 highly competent applicants awaiting your feedback.

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-10-06 16:01

      Justin ...I don't think the Miners need to be thinking about "consequences" ...they have nothing to lose. How about you ?

  • sharon.erwin.96 - 2012-10-06 10:28

    They must be really perplexed at this moment! They thought - we strike, we get increase, never did getting fired enter the scenario of possible outcomes!! Well done Amplats for standing firm. Someone has to, else the trucker strike will be repeated over and over in different sectors of our economy.

  • gvangreunen - 2012-10-06 10:28

    "It's not right. I've a lot of debt, a child, rent..." said Mpoti ... sorry for you, maybe you should THINK next time!

  • smuts.mike - 2012-10-06 10:33

    Logic in this country is so scares it should be considered a super power

  • konfab - 2012-10-06 10:41

    Nearly at 12500. Perhaps a new policy should be to fire one worker for every Rand demanded

  • hleketanitrevor.baloyi - 2012-10-06 10:41

    They will rehire you Guys a living wage or salary here in SA its above R10 000 a month,,,they have already lost R700m while they a giving u R5000 a month which is a peanuts,,,fight for ur future Guys.

      makarapakaplan - 2012-10-06 10:54

      Yes they will rehire them but they will be paid the same or less than what they had previously,

      craig.drysdale.96 - 2012-10-06 10:58

      Typical. Knows nothing about the bottom line or the dynamics of business.

      olebogeng.diratsagae - 2012-10-06 11:38

      This is our LAND.

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-10-06 11:57

      So Go and dig the money out of the land then

      ludwe.kolwapi - 2012-10-08 03:00

      12000 angry unemployed miners = more crime and if I were white I'd be scared coz these nigg@s will target yall whiteys so think about the consequences and the effect it will have,just give the guys what they want...I don't see why other countries can get more than south african miners,is it because they black ? F' that !

  • neilpretorius83 - 2012-10-06 10:44

    Gold, platinum, and transport sectors all engulfed by violence, with talk of port and dock workers also about to go on strike. How much unrest can our society absorb before something finally snaps and everything plunges into a war of all against all? I hope the Mayans were correct, because we need a 'reset'

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-10-06 11:12

      C'mon Neil ...it is not going to be a war of all against all. Far simpler than that mate ...it will be the 'haves' against the 'have-nots' Guess how the 'haves' will be identified?

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-10-06 11:59

      Like the reset bit Pull the plug ...wait for voltage to drop then switch on and start from scratch with new program.

  • nick.crossley.395 - 2012-10-06 10:46

    I feel nothing for the striking and fired miners and striking truck drivers, except anger. They has caused the Rand to lose 50c against the dollar in 2 weeks. Which means serious fuel increases in the near future and increasing food prices amongst other things that are going to make life more unpleasant for our people. Hopefully this will make the thoughtless idiots think, that includes the ANC. I may be hoping for too much as uneducated people do not have this ability.

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-10-06 11:17

      Nick , food prices (along with other things) WILL rise dramatically They will rise because wages HAVE to rise. It looks very much like the days of slave wages are over. SA employers are going to be forced to pay living wages .......the upside of this is that workers will be forced to become more productive. However , brace yourself for huge increases in ANYTHING labour intensive ...Farming , Restaurants , Building ..etc etc. But it still astonishes me that people think that those earning slave wages will be put off making wage demands by business's closing down , by being fired ....or by being shot.

  • njdejager - 2012-10-06 10:48

    "Started work two months ago" And already striking and fired. Nice going, really good way of showing your employer you are a hard worker hey. WTF? Does no one get it?

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-10-06 11:19

      njd ...you are the one that 'doesn't get it' The miners do that dangerous and hard work to earn MONEY ...not to show anything to an employer. What is the point of proving to an employer that you are a hard worker if you still earn slave wages?

      sharon.erwin.96 - 2012-10-06 11:40

      @ Phillip - See this is how it works - Amplats decides it needs a new employee. They advertise, and interview prospective candidates. They decide which one to hire and make a job offer to the successful applicant. Now he has 2 choices: accept the offer and start working, or tell them to shove it and walk away. All of these men accepted the offer. You can't do that and then 2 months later go on strike for more money! It is illogical.

  • mart.botha - 2012-10-06 10:49

    "Last night I received a message to say I've been dismissed because of the illegal strike," said Mkhari, 23, who only started work two months ago. "It's not right. I've a lot of debt, a child, rent..." said his friend Mpoti, also 23. These comments and scenarios emphasise more than any other that this nation is mutating negatively, the average IQ is dropping and that sooner or later this game of blaming everyone else for their woes is going to boil over into tribal/civil/revenge driven war.

  • tobydt - 2012-10-06 10:54

    ""It's not right. I've a lot of debt, a child, rent..." said his friend Mpoti, also 23." Your own damn fault.

      asdhasgd - 2012-10-06 16:05

      "It's not right" I say have another 5 kids.

  • les.cunningham1 - 2012-10-06 10:57

    @Sechaba Virgil Ndlovu, and where do you think all those miners will then find work if Amplats packed their bags and headed for Europe - IDIOT!!!

      lwazi.sibiya.10 - 2012-10-06 11:51

      Amplats will never leave because are openly exploiting our minerals with their cheap labour. Where in the world can there get so much millions in profits.

      phindani.zethi - 2012-10-06 12:51

      @lwazi - good one hay.

      deon.jansevanrensburg.58 - 2012-10-06 13:06

      Cheap labour? Have you been into the skokiaan pot so early in the morning? The Chinese are cheap, you guys are a rip-off

  • martin.brink.965 - 2012-10-06 11:00

    Thanks Amplats for standing up to these buffoons! Every action has an equal reaction - time for the hard lessons of life to be taught. Don't want to work within the parameters of the job, then go elsewhere. So simple when applied across the board.

  • andrez.kolesky - 2012-10-06 11:04

    Kry vir julle Ouma het gebak, HA!!! HA!!!

  • craig.drysdale.96 - 2012-10-06 11:04

    This is what happens when you have a government that is simply not qualified to understand economic policies and future growth strategy. The miners blame the mines when they should be blaming the government. The ANC are a corrupt bunch of thieves that simply exploit everything and anything. No doubt that these miner idiots will be voting for the same party again. Best quote was Tony Blair when asked when is the UK going to assist Africa his responce was "when is Africa going to assist themselves".

  • Cape - 2012-10-06 11:08

    Well done Jacob Zuma; because of your leadership or should I say lack thereof, South Africa is looking more and more like a gutter. When will you realise that foreign investors look for stability in their investments. THEY DON'T HAVE TO INVEST IN SOUTH AFRICA, there are other opportunities for them in other parts of the world.

  • JNaMolefe - 2012-10-06 11:08

    Wow, that's the worst thing i've ever heard in the whole world!

  • chule.qalase - 2012-10-06 11:11

    One said thing about all these strikes is that whether we like it not, we will all suffer. You can be angry or overjoyed by loss of jobs or increases in fuel prices, death and everything to do with these strikes,but in a short or long run, you will feel the heat!!!

  • jamie.hilsdon - 2012-10-06 11:14

    He started working a few months ago yet he is on strike for higher wages, I don't care how poor you are that is just plain stupid.

  • robert.rob.7505 - 2012-10-06 11:17

    Thankyou AMPLATS - you have the greater public support on this issue!

  • dofeatsdog - 2012-10-06 11:24

    this heavy handed approach will only harden attitudes and will go nowhere towards resolving the impasse. The company should just bite the bullet and table a reasonable settlement, else more people will die and the company will suffer further production losses. They should look at models like those at KUMBA Iron ore, where after the BEE scheme some of the workers got as much as R400000. Companies have to stop empowering a few elites and empower the workers, it's time they realise that the elites are no longer their gate keepers.

      RudiErnst - 2012-10-06 12:06

      The workers at Kumba also went on strike, as I understand it. So what did that R400 000 mean to them? Your theory is nonsense and has been proved so by those very workers and that very scheme you punt. Think dude.

      flysouth - 2012-10-06 12:41

      Kumba is the worst example possible. Even after a very generous payout under the share-scheme you mention, they are in fact busy striking right now! Give them a finger, they will take the hand! So why should anyone believe that such schemes will help 'empower' the worker? All it has done at Kumba is to give them an appetite for even more unearned benefit by encouraging their warped sense of entitlement!

  • richard.hall.35110418 - 2012-10-06 11:36

    I don't know much about mining, but surely there must be capital intensive ways to get the same job done with a quarter of the work force? So just give the miners what they want now and in 12 months time retrench the majority of them in favor of a few machines. the mines can then pack the machinery onto a ship and use it somewhere else should the mines be nationalized at any time.

  • marcus.lebuso - 2012-10-06 11:44

    i feel sorry fr Mpoti nd Mkhari,its not tht education can make u president of a certain country i mean thy r still young nd 1 wil neva what led them to start @ an early age it mayb poverty that led them to it so thr r qualified teachers who work @ the mining industry lets stop pointng fingers those guys need to make a living

      marcus.lebuso - 2012-10-06 11:48

      eish missing words:1 WILL NEVA KNOW WHT LED THM TO START WORKNG @ AN EARLY AGE................

  • taariq.halim - 2012-10-06 11:45

    Anglo has lost R700m. And by firing 12 000 workers, the Brits are showing they don't actually need the revenue. Meanwhile, the workers suffer. This is why London companies should not be running our mining sector.

  • ivan.goodman.77 - 2012-10-06 11:45

    Most of u guys feel that the miners and truck drivers don't deserve what they are demanding because they are uneducated and zero skilled, what a pity that the educated and skilled can not avoid the economy from suffering. Now we can see how important they are to south africa.

  • silence.mnisi.7 - 2012-10-06 11:47

    as i look at it knw. dis pepo want destroy every thing to get wht they want. yes every 1 knw da condition of da job u r taking. we have a lot of pepo who r nt working. so mine mustnt give them back their jobs. they knw strait that they have child bt go ahead with unprotected strike n knw u go n tell us is nt fare. did they knw wht is fare. pepo became idiot cos dey follow 1 idiot man who think he is a god of south africa. to hell with this amcu n their leaders n those who lead behind the scenes

  • bongani.nsele.58 - 2012-10-06 11:48

    the european has been looting the natural resources from africa to their own lands so they can create jobs for their people and this has been their bases for their operations in africa and this makes them eat well and appear to be smart......raw materials, labour and technology is what makes an economy run...not stocks and bonds and futures...all these derivatives don't make the world run...angloplaat must rethink this diabolical ruling.....

      mbeko.trevor - 2012-10-06 12:15

      i totaly agree with you brother,how long shall we as an african nation watch th so called socialy responsible nations continue extractin billions 4rm our mines n yet our ppl r lft poor still. Not to mention our gov who enjy enrichng themslvz bt fail 2 recognz th importanc of makin sure that capable n well equipd south africns develop th skils n knwlej requird 2 chng th futur outlook of our beloved nation. Th colonizes hv lng tkin us as fools cz we dfine our success n progres based on persnal gain rather than an intra africn social,econmic and strategic grwth. Chng wl not hapen over night bt we nid 2 wake up n start gainin cntrl of our resources by 1st remvin mismgnt,incapable workes n put dz who gt a lng term vision 2 c ds nation n africa runin.

      kleo.dabelsteinvuckovic.5 - 2012-10-06 13:50

      sfrica is poor because it's investors and creditors are sooooooooooooo rich.

      steve.gibson.146612 - 2012-10-06 16:30

      @ Bongani Yea like Mogabi is not looting the Diamond mines in Zim for his own and his cronies. Catch a wake up!!!!

  • Badger - 2012-10-06 11:57

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  • sphamandla.s.ntshangase - 2012-10-06 12:01

    good people from south africa what happen in this mine i am nt shocked cause many employee are nt aware of illegaly strike at de end they wil lose jobs as Labour relation act 66 of 1995 state dat once u involve in illegaly strike u wil be dismiss failrly

      Brian Dorning - 2012-10-06 13:07

      Unions should let their members aware of this before they strike, so that the workers can make an informed decision before taking part in something illegal

      steve.gibson.146612 - 2012-10-06 16:34

      The sad thing is that intimidation and death threats play a far bigger role than most of us realise or understand. They even took out one of my employees son as a message.

  • Herman Coetser - 2012-10-06 12:03

    Dom e-t-te-r-s lmga. what did you think would happen. If my employees have a illegal strike i would fire the lot right after the dros period. The mines are to lenient as it is. Lets see you support your child and wife now.... Strange how you didn't consider the consequences when you were dancing with your knob kierrie.

  • Bfoq.Za - 2012-10-06 12:05

    For every action, there is a counter reaction. They should've thought about this before embarking on an illegal strike! They broke the law, labour conditions were violated and they expect to receive a congratulatory pat on the back? Thank their unions and Juju... They payd the price for anarchy

  • david.mnyungula - 2012-10-06 12:06

    Why ppl alwayz blame the black poor, wht abt the management, unoins.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-06 12:28

      I don't see any management running around with knobkirries or pangas or a branch off the nearest tree they can find, hacking anyone to death. Do you?

  • lwazi.sibiya.10 - 2012-10-06 12:08

    There will eventually re-hire them, didn't they learn anything with Marikana saga?. Most of you who comment in this site don't understand the power of the masses(or you easily forget) and as for the greedy capitalist, this is bargaining tool in an informal wage negotiations.

      rob.bancroft.94 - 2012-10-06 13:15

      Hey, Iwazi, I can see you are smart! When are you starting your own business?

      Brian Dorning - 2012-10-06 13:15

      Masses don't have the power, power lies with those who manipulate them. Furthermore, the masses can do what they like, they will never ever have long-term sustainable wealth, they are short sighted unfortunately.

      kleo.dabelsteinvuckovic.5 - 2012-10-06 13:52

      exactly.

  • sarecen.smith - 2012-10-06 12:11

    ha ha you got alot to learn about whats right and wrong!!

  • LandyNut - 2012-10-06 12:13

    "It's not right. I've a lot of debt, a child, rent..." said his friend Mpoti, also 23. Should have thought about that BEFORE you decided to go on strike!!!!!

      antonie.rossouw.5 - 2012-10-19 12:00

      Jip,bottom line in South Africa some "do" first en then "think" later,ja swaer.

  • warren.carne.9 - 2012-10-06 12:13

    I hope they stay fired.

  • Michael - 2012-10-06 12:13

    They shouldnt have listened to Malema, now they are fired, these guys are fools ne? Employer have the rights to fire as well, and that right must be protected.

  • chikunga - 2012-10-06 12:18

    funny how the whites always try to manipulate the real history using their wealthy sponsered historians to twist the truth about the origins of black south africans.using their sponsered scientist and sponsered media to spew the skewed, engineered discoveries as truth so as incorporate themselves as the real natives or at atleast make the blacks to feel they cant confidently lay claim to the ownership of this land.oh my goodness, spew that the nomadic khoisan are the real owners but black south africans are from nigeria or somalia.have you ever wondered how IDI,Mugabe and all other african DIctators became aggressive towarsds whites.It was after realising the arrogance of the whites in even twisting everything to point to blacks as inferior. Not meaning to say these were not evil dictators, but whites are not innocent either.most of these white professors studying african history are just liers who wishes to further the interests of their race. You do not need to go far to feel the real racism, read news24 commentaries.

      chikunga - 2012-10-06 12:30

      you can bet your leg on that Delusion. thats a calculated truth and planted evidence. you can bet your mother,sister or yourself for that matter. southern Africa is for black Africans

      modise.masiu - 2012-10-06 12:31

      well said my man they r arrogant cause they have everythin n they should just leave the country after they fired those members and close down the mines too we'll seek other investors who r willing to come on board.

      Brian Dorning - 2012-10-06 12:43

      yawn...

      bongani.nsele.58 - 2012-10-06 12:44

      africans came from africa to africa...what is this? khoi and san are african people..what is the confusion here? the old ploy of trying to divide african people by language groups never ceases to amaze me...follow the logic...germans are not european they are the huns and visigoths, the english came from somewhere to get to europe.......madness!!!

      Brian Dorning - 2012-10-06 12:46

      if you hate white so much then why don't you boycott everything the whites have introduced to South Africa? You can start with dams, running water, food and electricity...even the wheel.

      chikunga - 2012-10-06 12:58

      africans are guinea pigs for white experiments. wars have sponsered to get access to the resources. Dictators were produced to keep the labour cheap(only that it backfired after some time). Epidemics are made in the labs to keep the population less.erode their confidence with "scientific" discoveries about how they are an inferior race and it make easy to supress them.

      rob.bancroft.94 - 2012-10-06 13:23

      chikunga, since you are so intelligent, when are you going to write the true history of Africa? Dictators produced to keep labour cheap - no, it is the over population by continually producing children that did that! Epidemics produced in labs to keep population less! Well, you are right, the whites are not so clever, because they really failed to do that. Who is eroding whose confidence? You are doing it to yourself!

      Watkykj - 2012-10-06 14:42

      Don't like the truth about the khoi people?? Deal with it!

      Watkykj - 2012-10-06 14:47

      That's bongani. Considering the tribes would tear each apart every chance they got!

      steve.gibson.146612 - 2012-10-06 16:41

      Does anyone remember what recently happened at Aurora and think if any of those miners there were receiving higher wages and if they have ever recovered their unpaid wages and if they will ever get a pension and other dues. Are these white owners? I believe these guys were worse off under the newer management. If anyone can be accused of looting you have to just look at Aurora. Why was the Unions and ANC politicians so quiet on that matter??????

  • jairos.rwexana - 2012-10-06 12:24

    this people r fighting 4 wats right according to them so as SA has freedom of expression let them express their feelings

      Brian Dorning - 2012-10-06 12:39

      maybe! but please do so unarmed and without violence and intimidation

      FinalJustice - 2012-10-06 12:43

      Can you understand that these people's 'freedom of expression' has cost the economy R750mil so far? Can you match this up with medium and long term implications in anyway? And more importantly the amount of lives disrupted, and MOST importantly those lost in the process? So, should everyone just be okay with that, according to your analysis?

      africatshipembe - 2012-10-06 14:08

      so Irene,to you exploiting other people is civilisation.

  • herbert.plessis - 2012-10-06 12:30

    Joined a strike after working for only two months? Really? you had a job, which I am sure you looked for, accepted the terms upon employment and then TWO months later YOU decided to renage on the agreement? I s this some sort of joke? Can you not count your blessings and just work for pay?

      Brian Dorning - 2012-10-06 12:38

      common sense is not at all so common

  • kaapse.skollie.7 - 2012-10-06 12:31

    The Boks and Proteas may beat the Pommies in their own backyard. But Anglo comes to our backyard, takes our platinum, exploits and then fires our workers. Scoreline: ENG 12 000 - SA 0.

      Brian Dorning - 2012-10-06 12:37

      they were the ones who created the jobs in the first place...so they gave 12000, and now our illegal strikers gave their jobs back. 0-0

      kaapse.skollie.7 - 2012-10-06 13:17

      DelusionBuster, you should visit a few Arabian countries where the oil is in the hands of the local governments. Millions of lazy uneducated arabs are spoilt with subsidies, bursaries, welfare. And they can afford to import skills, resources. With the right leaders, SA could do it too. Until then, rule britannia and god save the queen, old chap.

      kaapse.skollie.7 - 2012-10-06 13:50

      It's no miracle our mines still attract investment. If it wasn't profitable, there'd be no investors. Simple as that. And why not compare Arabian oil and SA mining (gold/platinum/diamonds/iron/manganese)? They're the respective countries' biggest sectors. Again, simple connection which you fail to see. Seems like a desperate argument to keep the wealth in UK hands and out SA's.

      kaapse.skollie.7 - 2012-10-06 14:51

      Yes, Amplats' profits are down this year. They earned R40bn and not R45bn. Platinum price is down, the rand is weak. And the 2nd half will look worse due to the strike. Shame. Fact remains is Anglo still owns all of SA's platinum - whether they make a profit or not.

      Sanjeen Deosaran - 2012-10-06 22:28

      Did you even know the platinum was there before the white man came? also what was the biggest land restoration settlement in SA?

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-10-06 12:50

    Mkari and Mpoti were dismissed because of the strike. No where does it say they were part of the goings on. Geez people don't let hatred or anger dictate your lives.

      deon.jansevanrensburg.58 - 2012-10-06 13:08

      Excuse me? Are you for real?

      phindani.zethi - 2012-10-06 14:08

      well said jacqui.

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2012-10-06 12:57

    Give them more money and they will drink and rape more. Give their jobs to people who want to work.

  • samacoba - 2012-10-06 13:12

    people need to understand problem boundries...You having debt,thats your problem,to ratify that you get a job....People not pitching up for work that they get paid for,thats an Employer problem,to ratify they that,you get rid of people who do not want to wotk,and hire those who want to get paid per agreement...

  • kleo.dabelsteinvuckovic.5 - 2012-10-06 14:38

    If you want peace then you must struggle for social justice, Chris Hani. What a disgrace happening right now to the legitimate owners of the land and it's resources. Vuka Sizwe!

      kleo.dabelsteinvuckovic.5 - 2012-10-06 15:11

      @Delusion Buster Cool how you stand up for the rights of Khoi San,who btw are Africans!!!!!!!!! Once you're done with that you might consider standing up for Africans in their own land........... and rethink this mental diarrhea you are posting. Calling my opinion a 'racist agenda ' just shows your level of intelligence.

  • deshmook - 2012-10-06 14:40

    i do believe that the full public disclosure of salaries at all levels in companies must be made mandatory. When a staff is employed then they should be allowed to see the full salary level and rates and all individuals in the company must be listed under their categories.

      gerd.graf.1 - 2012-10-06 20:56

      Yes, and let the Chinese take over: China average salary PPP $ 620, $ 145 Employees, other mining and quarrying industry, 2005. National Bureau of Statistics of China, [9]. Monthly Salary: 1,291 yuans (+-R 1500) Deductions: 8% see: http://www.worldsalaries.org/miner.shtml

      Sanjeen Deosaran - 2012-10-06 22:24

      Can I see your payslip?

  • andrew.gibbs.1420 - 2012-10-06 20:56

    @ Phillip. The problem in South Africa is not that the haves are doing too little but that the have-nots are too ungrateful for the massive amount that the haves do for them. If things are so bad in South Africa then why are their millions of foreigners here. All from countries with apparently better gini-coefficients. If the gini-coefficient is so important then why don't they reduce taxes on the rich who are paying way more then their fair share (acording to the gini-coeffient of tax payers). There are numerous holes in your arguments and your contribution to poverty in this country is massive (because you are so anti those that alleviate massively) and you should be ashamed of yourself. This country needs many more adverts telling the have not how lucky they are because if it was not for the people who employ, produce and pay tax they would have a lot less.

  • Sanjeen Deosaran - 2012-10-06 22:23

    Hmmm.... do they have 50 million people in Saudi? Are SA's minerals worth as much as oil? Will one man take R200m of the profit at a time in Arabia? Do they allow theft and corruption without capital punishment? you have chosen a bad example my friend!

      antonie.rossouw.5 - 2012-10-19 12:05

      Sanjeen,well put! There will be a lot of people without arms here....

  • antonie.rossouw.5 - 2012-10-19 11:53

    When the hunger pains settles in...maybe then everything will go back to normal.

  • antonie.rossouw.5 - 2012-10-19 12:16

    Yak,yak, warra,warra, that is all....we need strong leadership(not of a certain race or creed)...we are leaderless! I am not a rasict,I resepct other people,but WHY the hell must everything be taken back to the Koi san? Poor them...we are all here...NOW..forget who did what....It's not good to worrying over bad things that happened in the past, just make sure it doesn't happen again in the future. and a last one....Don't sweat it or regret it, just move on and forget it......You won’t hear one idea from the people on how to create wealth, but you will hear constantly how to redistribute it. - we all CAN be better..it is just a mindset..get inner peace and the rest will follow...jinne"sounded like a priest..but seriously people/Mense we must change to change the country.