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Foreigners streaming into Western Cape

2012-02-08 15:30

Parliament - Foreigners are streaming into the Western Cape in their thousands, becoming both the victims and perpetrators of crime, MPs heard on Wednesday.

"An estimated 8 000 a month are flowing into the province," provincial police commissioner Arno Lamoer told Parliament's police portfolio committee.

The committee was being briefed by each of the nine provincial police commissioners on crime statistics, following the release of these in September.

"If you see the influence of foreign nationals in the Western Cape, you will be shocked," Lamoer told MPs.

He invited them to take a trip with him to the Bellville railway station.

"You will see what it looks like there with foreign nationals - and it's only Somalians we have in that [Bellville] area."

His power-point presentation to the committee - a copy of which was not immediately available - also referred to Nigerians, Congolese, and Namibians in the province.

Lamoer said home affairs in the Western Cape was processing hundreds of foreigners each week.

"Home affairs gave an indication that at their processing centre, where they [foreigners] apply for asylum, we're talking about 500 to 800 that come per day. The processing is about 800 per week."

Crime

Lamoer referred to a gang of Namibians robbing houses along so-called green belts in Cape Town's southern suburbs.

"There was a group of foreign nationals, Ovambos from Namibia, that we arrested. We arrested them but they were released on bail."

Foreigners were also on the receiving end when it came to crime.

Police had investigated the rise in business robberies in the province, which started after the 2010 World Cup, and had discovered that only a third of the victims were South African.

Many foreigners had established spaza shops or were operating businesses from containers or from their homes. Many did not bank their takings and slept on the premises.

"One of the major problems... is the spaza shops, the container shops, and the house shops. Eighty percent of business robberies involve these establishments.

"But only 33% of the victims of these robberies are South Africans; the rest are all foreign nationals. We have a serious problem."

Lamoer also questioned the legality of many of these businesses. He criticised Cape Town authorities for not properly applying city by-laws.

"What we've discovered is that foreign nationals are not supposed to trade unless they have a working permit and a trade permit."

Illegal fire arms

Lamoer said this was a "major challenge" and one that he was taking up with the department of home affairs.

He also reported that foreigners were arming themselves.

"We arrested - from April 1 to December 31 last year - a total of 72 foreign nationals with 70 illegal firearms. They are arming themselves because they need to protect themselves."

On illegal drugs, Lamoer said police in the province had, since April 1 2010, confiscated drugs with a street value of over R12bn.

"Every single day we confiscate drugs," he said.

The police, together with their traffic counterparts, were working to block the entrance of drugs into the province.

"We started in January last year, specifically in the Beaufort West area. In the first week, we stopped buses, as well as taxis and courier vans... and in the first week confiscated R50m worth of drugs from these buses."

The police had contacted the bus companies and instituted a scheme to tag loaded luggage.

"Some of them listened, but last week, on Friday, we got another bus with khat on board. There was no tag. We arrested the bus drivers and we confiscated the bus...."

The owners of the bus where now giving the police "very good co-operation".

A minibus that was stopped while being transported on an auto-carrier in the southern Cape was found to be "full of dagga".

Major problem

Lamoer said illegal liquor was another big problem.

"We confiscate liquor every week. Over the past year, more than a million litres was confiscated."

On gang violence in the Western Cape, Lamoer said this was linked to drugs.

"As soon as we put on the pressure and confiscate drugs, the gang violence goes up."

Lamoer said tik was not the most-used drug.

"Heroin is the one, and it's more addictive than any other drug... It is a major, major problem," he said.

The provincial police commissioners from the Free State and North West provinces, who preceded Lamoer at the briefing, both also reported an increase in crime related to foreigners.

Comments
  • Willie - 2012-02-08 15:35

    No country in the world today that will allow people to just walk in it's doors without any screeningSome of this foreiners are abusing our hospitality

      deabreu - 2012-02-08 16:11

      The DA have no racist policies the last time I checked. In fact, the DA is the only political party that does not tolerate racism in any form. Can you say the same from your party? At least the WC is trying to tackle crime at the root level and not blaming it on apartheid or some other fake excuse racists use.

      deabreu - 2012-02-08 16:16

      BTW My comment is directed at "Philemon". Sad sad sad!!

      Lazlo - 2012-02-08 16:20

      Hey Philemon! Please explain yourself. How is the DA racist and whom is the rightful people?

      Willie - 2012-02-08 16:24

      @ Philemon ---Please start to use your brains

      jason.dutoit - 2012-02-08 16:29

      we don't screen people from the eastern cape...

      jade.bulley - 2012-02-08 16:36

      Take no notice of Philemon... He thrives on your negative responses, and cries racism every chance he gets... It doesnt bug me because karma is a _____

      Thandiwe - 2012-02-08 16:40

      @Philemon - so you don't believe in democracy? The Western Cape voted in the DA

      Nick - 2012-02-08 16:42

      @ Willie - If caught committing burglaries and other (violent) crimes - they should be loaded on buses - and dropped off where they came from.. Maybe we should put up border control posts on all roads leading into the Western Cape...? @ Philemon - you're a joke! It's your backward ANC that opens the door to all-comers! Secondly - they/you were never the "original inhabitants" of the Western Cape - the Khoi San and Bushmen were, Europeans being 2nd - so why don't YOU go back to where your "rightful people" govern...??

      Willie - 2012-02-08 17:15

      @ droplet - obviously i do not know where you reside in SA, pay a visit to Home Affairs department in PTA (Commissioner Street),you will be shocked by the number of people who seek political asylums,permits in SA. The bottom line is all this people got in hear illegally,before some one accuses me of been xenophobic ,at the present moment there are high profile cases of foreigb crooks who entered SA illegaly and they are whites.The bottom line is we QUESTION THE SECURITY AT OUR BORDERS

      tbooze - 2012-02-08 17:48

      These ppl dnt jst get here , they breed like its running out of fashion ,let's bring bck xenophobia @least sm will run away since the DA nd Anc gov r just blubbing about it and not taking any action

      carmelledoualla - 2012-02-09 12:40

      i dont know what is wrong with you but ask yourself about this: these foreigners, do you hear anything as crime in their contries?????????????????????// stop blaming everything on them please, sort yourself out. not everything is about foreigners you know.

      Jason - 2012-02-09 12:42

      I have been to the Bellville station recently, the whole surrounding area is just Somalians, all the shops are run and staffed by Somalians. At one point I was asked what i was doing there by a SOMALIAN! I almost killed him I was so cross. Their countries are screwed up by their governments and now they come here and mess with our country. We have enough social issues without adding foreign nationals to the pot. Table view is the same with the majority of flats in Parklands lived in by Nigerians. These guys run the drug trade in the area and have no problem intimidating locals whether they be white or black! If the local government doesn't take a tough stance on foreign nationals then the situation will become too big to fix, if it hasn't already.

  • Comrade - 2012-02-08 15:36

    WORD IS OUT - WESTERN CAPE IS THE PLACE TO BE!!

      Max - 2012-02-08 17:09

      The anc probably sent them to cause anarchy.

  • Kacee - 2012-02-08 15:37

    Yip, always criminals follow the money, and places that are run properly to destroy. Look at JHB, been pillaged to death, time to move on to greener pastures.

      Leslie - 2012-02-09 09:29

      I AGREE TILL PEOPLE GET G*TVOL AGAIN ,THEN ITS KOMMETJIE ALL OVER.I FEEL LIKE A NEED TO TAKE MY PASSPORT WHEN I GO TO BELLVILLE(THATS IF THERE IS A NEED)

  • Ruan - 2012-02-08 15:44

    Time to seal off the borders of the Western Cape and declare it a Republic of its own and build a berlin type wall and kick our all undesirables and illegals,koeberg is enough to supply us with power and we have one of the largest narutal water catchments in the world and tourism will flourish with the biggest game farms and golf courses,we already support the rest of the countries provinces from our tourism infastructure.Autonomy NOW..... ps,,,for all you racists,the Republic of the Western Cape would be for all who want to make a country work no matter what colour you are.

      Ruan - 2012-02-08 15:45

      COURTESY >>>> of Steve, who did a study on this a few years ago and the results were pretty interesting. The WC is the only province that does have the ability to stand on it's own feet from a financial perspective, it's income generation ability supports its current population levels but this will change in 8-10 years. Tourism, agriculture, industry right down to international trade would bring in enough revenue to enable the Western Cape to function as an independent state. The structures already exist in the form of government and provincial administration, it would require some pt but it could be done. Harbour, airport, rail network, road infrastructure, electricity generation.....all here already. There was a crowd trying to use this as a platform during the last election, but they made the mistake of including the Northern Cape - that tips the scale the wrong way even after adding revenue from the mining operations in Namaqualand. The Western Cape could quite conceivably take it's own place on the international stage, but obviously the ANC would fight it tooth and nail. Another big problem would become border control which would require a substantial investment in 'defence' capabilities to monitor, patrol and offer functional surveillance and a reactionary capability. Not insurmountable. And historically, it could be argued all four previous provinces have a claim to self-rule. What a pleasure for the people of the WC to be able to control their own destiny.

      Ruan - 2012-02-08 15:55

      The DA needs to step up or us citizens WILL,A National Homeland Security would be established and run by its citizens to control the border,much like certain countries armies,you will be givien a grant for education if you join and serve X amount of years or join full time.

      Franklyn - 2012-02-08 16:09

      mate,it will never happen..i think a lot of folks in the western cape share your vision,The Cape has almost always been liberal or however you wish to pigeon-hole the populace,you dont have local politicians saying that we will upset our ancestors by not voting for them..they would be laughed out of town. reality is that a lot of South Africans see the Western cape as a beacon of hope that this political madness might end one day....

      Ben - 2012-02-08 16:14

      This is our only way out of this mess. As the costitution is not respected by government, we are heading for a disaster. Defending our borders will not be a problem. Even the Cape pensioners will be able to do that.

      Russan - 2012-02-08 16:40

      Everyone knows that WC borders will not happen. thats a nice dream though. The responsiblity of the GOV-ANC is to protect its state SA and its people, lets admit and accept that the ANC has failed in many ways. I have worked in 4 north african states, it will not get better as our future is clearly painted in History -just look north, its a fact- only a TRUTHFUL President can fix broken south africa, and this president cannot be selected from the ANC, to educate the masses is to raise the blind folds as to whats happening in SA, no governement wants educated masses, as they can now read and discover and question! so keep the illegals comming that way we can allow ANC- AMNESTY and give them voting rights to secure ANC in WC.... makes you think hey !

      John - 2012-02-08 16:51

      not possible without the drinking power of Gauteng . and who paid for Koeberg in the first place ?

      Nick - 2012-02-08 17:07

      @ Ruan - BRILLIANT mate! Well said sir - and fantastically explained! :) It can be done. Thank-You! :)

      Ruan - 2012-02-08 17:13

      Never say never people,i suppose you diidnt know that in early 2002 the anc actually considered making the WC independent. @Russan and John= optimism and not pessimism I think the above "likes" to "dislikes" is proof what the general readers sentiment is.

      David - 2012-02-08 23:20

      Ruan for 1st president of the Republic of the Western Cape!

      Hallo - 2012-02-09 16:57

      It is taxpayers money from all over the country that also contributes to the western cape. It is basically Johannesburger's playground so dream on.

      Ruan - 2012-02-10 08:44

      @hallo,no need to be sour about the fact that you live in a dump and youre in denial ..............

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-04-13 00:08

      Pipe dream, Ruan. "The Last Stand" - as perpetuated throughout History. There will always be people hollering at the gates to be allowed in. I guess all the foreigners are reading N24, and know where to go. Since Europe is collapsing, and the US has practically sealed its Borders, people are moving to where they know the money is. Until it's raped beyond extinction. Humanns = Locusts.

  • Ashley - 2012-02-08 15:44

    why Can't we just deport them and have strict border controls. I think this government is too lenient when it comes to their follow AFRICANS.

      dlawre30 - 2012-02-08 15:56

      Totally agree. Why do these guys get arrested and then granted bail? Obviously they will just melt away untraceable to continue their crime.

      Kusleg - 2012-02-08 16:57

      Ashley, unless you are also prepared to deport the thousands of white Zimbabweans who came in running away from black majority rule then thumbs up dude.

      Trevor - 2012-02-08 17:50

      QKusleg-you a tool off the top-shelf boetie, go get your facts before you post half truths...oh and the ANC would NEVER do that, don't you know, to be South African you must just be black...go into Home Affairs, declare you lost your ID,pay a bribe abd get registered then, you can vote for the ANC...

      Garth - 2012-02-09 14:00

      @kusleg - illegal immigrants versus legal immigrants. Porksword!

  • justin.pretorius - 2012-02-08 15:46

    It seems people will always try to go where things generally work. Unfortunately for unplanned immigration it could prove disastrous. The borders around SA are an utter joke

      Nosiphom - 2012-02-08 15:53

      which boarders are you talikng about ?

      Ben - 2012-02-08 16:52

      Nosiphom, you must be joking. Borders, not boarders.

      Trevor - 2012-02-08 17:51

      It was more expensive and painful for me to get OUT of SA legally than to get into Germany........

  • nibishaka - 2012-02-08 15:59

    Probably you should look at concrete reasons than narrow views. Most of foreigners choose to go to Cape Town because the Province is not run by the DA(the so called white party), or will receive better treatment there. There are so many unaccounted foreigners in Gauteng as well. Probably because such statistics in Western Province are available. However, my own reasoning is just that they choose o go to Cape because some odd jobs are available there than in any other province, due to its touristic attire. For instance the car guard industry is sophisticated and income generating in the Cape than in Johannesburg. The security industry in the Cape does not discriminate like in Johannesburg or Pretoria. Equally, Gauteng has other opportunities open to foreigners than in the Cape. Except Bellville, Retreat, Gugulethu Cape Town, no where else you will find those spaza shops in Townships. Yet most of informal trading in Pretoria and Johannesburg is in the hands of Foreigners. Most of foreigners in Gauteng are regularized, therefore easy for tracking in case they are involved in crimes. Those who cannot survive the heat run to the Cape.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-02-08 16:21

      You can be right. I think another point is also the "laid back and accept all" attitude. The aggressiveness(or call it stand for your own rights) is not so visible in Cape Town. Also the fact the the black population's balance is more on par with the other groups. I belief visibility can help form opinions. Staying in Cape Town, I would have loved to convince you it is the see, mountains, the flowers close by and the people.( Am I a bit bias?) LOL!!!

  • tmbristow - 2012-02-08 16:00

    "What we've discovered is that foreign nationals are not supposed to trade unless they have a working permit and a trade permit." They have only just discovered this???

      Glyn - 2012-02-08 20:22

      Hi Tim! Just a thought.... spell anc in in lower case, the anc are sub-capitalists.

  • Lehlohonolo - 2012-02-08 16:22

    most of you guys are missing the point here!!If I were you I will be very concerned.take a trip to Belleville and you will see what Im talking about, go to mowbrey,maitland,city centere at night, you will think you are some where in mogadishu, lagos or DRC. Very scary,dirty, smelly and lot of ceime

      Willie - 2012-02-08 16:38

      Lehlohonolo some people do not see the bigger picture.One example, our foreign policy at this point in time is staffed,now imagine one disgruntled person from Lybia decides to take action because we voted with the europeans for no fly zone (RES1973).Think about the consequences

      Jacqui - 2012-02-09 10:57

      Hasan Ali, Who said we are anti-Somali?. What are you doing here anyway?.

      Kate - 2012-02-09 13:31

      they even pee on ATM machines in broad day light, honestly!

  • solverman - 2012-02-08 16:38

    Brilliant... they are all moving to Cape Town.... that will give us a break up here in Johannesburg

      Trevor - 2012-02-08 17:53

      You wish, just opens up even MORE place for the Zim and Nigerians...

      Philisiwe Msomi - 2012-02-09 13:30

      these are western cape stats,other provinces were not included which doesn't mean they are any less better!!

  • ISO - 2012-02-08 16:41

    Crime is everwhere in SA! No province is an exception!

  • Gavin - 2012-02-08 16:42

    It's not like the rest of the ANC governed provinces are any better. This article makes out like the ANC have no issues/crime/corruption/BS in the provinces they run. Limpopo province being a shining example of ANC efficiency.

      Glyn - 2012-02-08 20:20

      Gavin - Please use the lower case when spelling anc. They do not deserve capitals! In the next elections give the anc a fright!! Vote DA!!

  • Carlton Bana - 2012-02-08 16:45

    Enough is enough, DA and ANC supporters must start making them sweat for our votes, or we start looking for other parties. They must get tough on immigration, ban people who cant support themselves, lease Zimbabwean land so we can house them there. Enough with this "we African brothers and sisters we SAns first", and those pro-immigration organisations are damaging ZA.

      Ben - 2012-02-08 16:58

      Splendid idea, but how do you get this message through to the voters?

      Carlton Bana - 2012-02-08 17:14

      I think concerned citizen must make their own organisation, Independent from any political party, and unlike our 'great' COSATO we only going to back parties that seek to hear, our fears and dreams and put them into action. Even though Im a DA supporter I feel like they are a competent ANC. There must be a clear distinction between, the ruling goverment and oppostion.

      Carlton Bana - 2012-02-08 17:14

      I think concerned citizen must make their own organisation, Independent from any political party, and unlike our 'great' COSATO we only going to back parties that seek to hear, our fears and dreams and put them into action. Even though Im a DA supporter I feel like they are a competent ANC. There must be a clear distinction between, the ruling goverment and oppostion.

      Glyn - 2012-02-08 20:24

      Hi Carlton, just a thought... spell anc in lower case, they do not deserve upper case!!

  • Kevin - 2012-02-08 16:51

    The government will once again only take notice...once the sh1t hits the fan....xenophobic crimes will escalate in the near future and get completely out of control because of the states lax approach to border control.

  • Kusleg - 2012-02-08 17:02

    South Africa has been a criminal hub since 1652.

      Trevor - 2012-02-08 17:58

      Hey Kusleg....Wikipedia does not make you come across as more intelligent,quiet the opposite so go do some PROPER research before you post nonsense......

  • gauchet1 - 2012-02-08 17:48

    Wonder how the other provinces compare?

  • anthony.swart - 2012-02-08 17:51

    All the dregs of Africa come to South Africa, we must house and support them give free medical, social grants and all the time the ANC finds new ways to tax us to support these losers that can't make it in there own country.

      Gallant LeVogue - 2012-02-08 18:00

      Sounds concerning!

      Kate - 2012-02-09 13:22

      Anthony, go to any provincial hospital or to social welfare departments, you would swear that you are somewhere in Bujumbura.

      Philisiwe Msomi - 2012-02-09 13:23

      can't they do a simple maths and see that SA cannot cope with this'' SA for all''

  • HolyHoly - 2012-02-08 17:55

    No one owns South Africa

      Carlton Bana - 2012-02-08 18:03

      And that includes you.

  • Colleen - 2012-02-08 18:59

    We as South Africans should put our own house in order before we try or even think of helping other people from the rest of Africa or Asia. Our people are starving and dying of starvation and disease.Security at the borders need to be jacked up. Problem is bribery and corruption takes place there to. Greedy sods.

      Passionate.Parrot - 2012-02-09 14:02

      You are so right Colleen, but the authorities are not willing to admit it. They feel that they owe these countries a debt for harbouring them during the war......surely they have paid that back a long time ago. Great reall ANC.

  • Sherri - 2012-02-08 19:28

    So basically it comes down to South Africa being the biggest host for asylum seekers around the world. This is absolutely ridiculous, South Africa as it is doesent have enough jobs to sustain its own people that is why there is so much crime in our country. Surely the government has a restriction on how many foreigners are allowed to enter the country like all the European countries do. I start to wander if there really is any future left for the people of South Africa, or will this country just get destroyed by illegal immigrants. What a pity for our beautiful country

      Passionate.Parrot - 2012-02-09 14:04

      Sheri, it seems that they can't or don't want to control this. Perhaps it is because it will cost money........and that will be less for them.

  • Sandhya - 2012-02-08 20:51

    And what about the monthly influx of American, Dutch, German, Chinese and Swiss foreigners into the Western Cape? University residences, service delivery and crime are also affected by the wave of European and American "back packers", but I guess no one really cares about that right.

      Ben - 2012-02-08 21:11

      Does not matter where they come from. They should not be allowed to come in.

      Jacqui - 2012-02-09 10:36

      All the American, Dutch etc people I know work for their money and in many instances employ your fellow countrymen. So pray give us an example of the 'backpackers' annoying you. Shall we mention all the nonwhite South Africans trying to get into European universities with a sob story about how badly they were treated under apartheid?. Or isn't that in your favour?.

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-04-13 00:33

      Are you smoking your socks, Sandhya? Most of them come to Africa to work in the poorer communities. The rest pay their own way. We had a French foreign National in PE about ten years ago - she was here on a visitors' permit but decided to volunteer at a local hospital as an accountant. She turned the entire department around, but was refused a residency permit. Because she was White - not because she was French. People who want to uplift and work with SA are welcome. Those with criminal and selfish agendas are not.

  • marc.landsberg1 - 2012-02-08 21:29

    Wow...no wonder when walking down Long street you don't hear a single indigenous black language being spoken...8000 a month! OMG.

  • Marius - 2012-02-09 00:06

    And now someone realises this is a problem? As far back as 1999 the Flower Market started resembling a mini Congo/Nigeria, with not a single flower lady in sight. Hmmm, I wonder on which gravey train the politicians and city officials were, not to have noticed this happening?

  • brionyl.french - 2012-02-09 05:45

    We have a probelm cos prison doesnt work... and eye for eye... scare tactics, i can promise you now the crime rate will drop if the criminals didnt get a roof over there head for free, food in their bellies for free, education for free, DSTV for free... If they got nothing and lost a hand... they would never do crime again... Right now Crime is the way to go in this country, Prison is a breeze, as its better than starving and freezing under a cardboard box.... UNTIL THERE IS HARSHER PUNISHMENT CRIME WILL KEEP ON HAPPENING!!!!

  • patrick.pillay - 2012-02-09 07:29

    We should not allow the foreigners to get residence permits . send them back and our people can be employed and crime will be lowered. I speak from experience as we were hijacked and help on six occiaions by Nigerians .

      Kate - 2012-02-09 13:14

      They buy id's from corrupt Home Affairs officials and from Nigerians. And it it becoming difficult because they are quickly learning to speak good Zulu especially the ones from Mozambique and Zimbabwe. So don't be surprised if you come across "Bongani Buthelezi" who only came to SA in 2009 but is already occupying an RDP house and is employed as a SA citizen and enjoying all the benefits.Some of them have surnames that sound South African e.g. Sithole, Sibanda, Phiri,Moyo, Ndlhovu (with an H), Kumalo(without an H), Ncube, Mahlati,Maduku etc.

      Nkulekweni - 2012-02-09 14:10

      Kate most of these with South African sounding names are Ndebele Zimbabweans. I have not read or heard of them running prostitution rings, hijacking, selling drugs and running spazas in the townships.

  • Michael - 2012-02-09 07:37

    Ag this is South Africa, soon to be labelled the "mini-bus-taxi-of-the-world" because there's always room for one more -

  • Elle-Black - 2012-02-09 08:00

    It gets worse everyday

  • Malcolm - 2012-02-09 08:31

    we were attacked on monday night by 4 of these new arrivals from namibia,lucky we weren't killed. we also live on the green belt.blame sa government for opening the door without thinking of the people who put them in power

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-04-13 00:39

      I thought Namibia was doing quite well? Is their government also fleecing the natives? (Native - born there.)

  • maniza.ahoua - 2012-02-09 08:34

    Deabreu, ZILLE IS A RACIST WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT IN FACT THE WHOLE OF WESTERN CAPE

      Jacqui - 2012-02-09 10:38

      You are talking nonsense. Grow up.

      Eric - 2012-02-09 11:21

      Truly absurd rant

      phathuchicos - 2012-02-17 14:24

      maniza some people will never change at heart...hatred for africans lies deep within them in such a way that democracy can't wash it away.

      George - 2012-02-17 17:41

      U R A FARKING CHOP.....SCUSE THE FRENCH.

  • Mohsin - 2012-02-09 11:14

    THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE REST OF AFRICA COMES HERE! SEND THEM BACK AND LET THEM F UP THEIR OWN COUNTRIES

      Nkulekweni - 2012-02-09 14:07

      They have f...up their own countries that is why they are here....helping us to f...up ours.

  • Eric - 2012-02-09 11:20

    Even the refugees/economic exiles/poor from all over Africa prefer Cape Town - wonder why?

  • Perfume5 - 2012-02-09 11:30

    Deport them back to their countries, and CLOSE OFF OUR BORDERS!!!!!!

      Alan - 2012-02-22 14:43

      Agreed. Do we actually have an immigration policy in SA or is it just an open gate policy? Some people are ariving with poverty, illness and little work skill. How is SA supposed to fund all this welfare and crime? It is not even a questions any more. We just need to close our borders and get our immigration system working. The last I know, a person had to apply to moving into a new country, you couldn't just arrive and stay. What the heck is that? The money is running out and the taxpayers are not a bottomless pit of money supply. It has to end somewhere and i think we should be feeding and looking after our own rather than the rest of the continent or planet. The same problem is rife in the UK with millions of immigrants looking for a better life but they won't be able to afford it forever. Neither will we.

  • Saamprater - 2012-02-09 11:45

    Do some math. 800 x 365 x 18 years and you will agree that Mbeki's Africa Renaissance isn't such a great idea. We just don't have the infrastructure to cope with such an influx. As it is we can't take care of our own, never-mind the drugs and crime that comes with a situation like this. Me thinks the "layer of varnish" that was painted on the rainbow-nation idea is wearing of very fast and the people see the anc for how ridiculous and utterly wrong their policies based on race are.

  • Linda - 2012-02-09 11:47

    And you blame us township folk when we drive foreigners out of our townships. There's way too many of them, illegal ones. I watched last week's episode of Special Assignment where groups of soldiers from the Niger Delta have been brought to SA to undergo skills and development programmes to help reintegrate them to society....the animals ended up vandalising the Midrand hotel they've been housed at. I now live in Midrand and I've seen them sitting outside the hotel gates with prostitutes. I shiver at the thought of what they're capable of. Remember, these people have lived in the bush all their lives; all they know is to kill. And sadly when asked, two of our government departments distanced themselves from this rehabilitation programme.

      Kate - 2012-02-09 14:15

      Why bring them to SA when we have our own criminals who need to be reintegrated into society? I also become very scared when I think of a documentary I saw years ago where young soldiers between the ages of 15-21, (can't remember which African country it was) killed a man, opened his chest up and ate his heart. I am sure that if still alive some of those soldiers are roaming our streets. Imagine!

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-04-13 00:51

      Ai, Linda. My heart says be kind, but my mind says: at what cost? When our countrymen and woman are suffering? I missed that program, but I cannot imagine for one minute that killing machines can be rehabilitated. That is all they know, and will ever understand. It's not their fault, but neither should it be our problem. If they were dogs, we would have put them down. Fact. Simply because people have the same general shape and colour to us does not make them saints, or human for that matter. Being human is far more complex. I shudder at myself when I say this. I realise that sometimes self-preservation is the abiding need.

  • Nkulekweni - 2012-02-09 11:48

    Just curious...is there another country in the world that allows everybody in...that does not deport proven criminals...that has a thriving drug and prostitution sector that is entirely dominated by foreigners, that has no jobs for its people, that has poor education systems for the majority and that has less than a third of its people paying tax and that has children dying of starvation. If anybody knows of such a country pls enlighten me.

      Kate - 2012-02-09 16:53

      Nkulekweni, it seems each country has its own crime speciality: Zim & Mozamb - housebreaking and rape: Nigerian - crime that involves a lot of easy money: Pakistan,Somalia/Ethopia - drug dealing hidden behind spaza shops, stealing of identity and thereby illegal marriages. Unfortunately black foreigners do crime that affects us directly e.g. drugs, abducting of young girls and turning them into prostitutes, identity theft that lands us in debts and marriages that we are not aware of, housebreaking and rape - we don't feel safe in our homes anymore, crowding our streets in an intimidating way., nowadays walking on the streets of Johannesburg CBD is like looking for trouble in a foreign territory.

  • Walter - 2012-02-09 12:38

    The Western Cape should have gone Independent just like the Cape party were trying to do, and NOW that we're in the poo ppl are starting to wake up.. The borders are open dear friends - how long do you think the city of Cape Town and keep providing "free" housing, water and electricity, not to mention jobs? wakey wakey????

  • carmelledoualla - 2012-02-09 12:43

    i want to know one thing about this: why its only blacks that are pointed whe it comes to foreigners doing crime???????????/ white foreigners also do crime. or for South Africa, crime is only related to being black??????????????????? all those whity that brings cocaine and child porno,is it not crime????????? im not racist or zenophobic but im just tired of our fellow africans treating other african bad. south africa is not the only contry where you fine foreigners.

      Nkulekweni - 2012-02-09 13:02

      Just to make it clear carmelledoualla I mean immigrants and criminals of all races and nationalities; Nigerians, Pakistanis, Greeks, Russians ect. No human being has a right to immigrate to a country, a country whose population, in the majority are already suffering, to mess it up. This includes anything from frying fish from dubious sources on city pavements and selling it to the locals and taking over whole sections of cities and running drug and prostitution businesses. If people want to be welcome in any country they should contribute to the host country's well being.

      Anthony - 2012-02-10 12:26

      Exactly Nkulekweni, The Govt should now impose restrictions in immigration control, ie, you have to prove that you a self sufficient, will be a productive member of society, not just make money here and then ship it out, but actually putting something back into the country. There is nothing wrong with immigrants, as long as allowing them in does not mean putting additional pressure on the citizens of the country in question. Besides the concept of asylum is to grant refuge to a person whose life is in imminent danger from war or other social discrimination ie, genocide, etc. 4-5 Million Taxpayers can barely support 50 million people, how can we support the 100 million that we will inherit from asylum seekers and illegal immigrants.

  • Kate - 2012-02-09 12:52

    S.Africans need to face reality. Foreigners particularly from other African countries and Pakistan cause problems in our country. The first time I heard that sleeping with a virgin cures aids was when a DRC national raped an 8 year old in our village back in 1999. When beaten up he confessed that he wanted to rid himself of the disease. Ever since then there has been a spate of violent crime perpetuated by drug dealing concealed as spaza shops. We need to be united when it comes to foreigners, it is not racism or xenophobia. Look at Jhb CBD, Hillbrow, Yeoville, Orange Grove, Bellevue, Rosettenville, you can buy anything, drugs, guns, stolen appliances, university degrees on the streets; what is more bothersome is the pamphlets that they distribute promising safe abortion, penis enlargements etc, they also put these adverts in our daily newspapers. I must also commend the SAPS for closing down illegal Nigerian abortion “clinics” in Jhb CBD 3 years ago. These Nigerians had a nerve to conduct such business and distribute pamphlets on our streets; they never thought they could be brought to book because S. Africans are too lenient. They have also invaded the squatter camps and RDP townships and do horrendous crime and then cry xenophobia. Before this amazing influx of foreigners we had crime but it was not so violent.

      Taunyana - 2012-02-09 16:11

      Kate.....we need to campaign in Facebook and twitter then go in the street. I think a lot will join us

  • Ambi - 2012-02-09 13:50

    Africa must refrain from the use of the word "Ubuntu" it does not exist and is merely weak leaders reason for not standing up to their equally corrupt despotic "brother" leaders. These foreigners kept their "leaders" in power long enough for them to become tryants..they need to stay at home and clean up their own mess

      Philisiwe Msomi - 2012-02-10 10:01

      ubuntu doesn't mean starve ur kids n feed next door kids, it doesn't mean take a stranger into your house,if that will put your family in danger,it doesn't mean compromise yourself n your family for the benefit of others,especialy not ifthey will cause harm....we are living in different times spirit of ubuntu is doomed,

  • Passionate.Parrot - 2012-02-09 13:59

    Willie, I agree with you. Before you can get into another country you need to prove firstly that you are going on holiday, have enough money to support yourself. If you want to work there you have to apply for a work visa, that requires you to have a job. Why are these people just allowed in, not matter what? They will steal for how else will they survive when our own people can't find work?

  • annie.kalahari - 2012-02-09 14:08

    Since the SAPS do not maintain 'demographic' statistics of crime victims and crime-perpetrators, I find it difficult to reconcile their claim that most of the crime in SA is done by foreign black Africans and that most of the crime also is targetting foreign black Africans. How can they prove those claims? Farmitracker.com is being attacked by self-righteous black-racist prats because it DOES maintain demographic details for crimes posted on the site - it was specifically started for that reason alone. And that's also why Farmitracker.com can state without hesitation - and provide maps - that the number of xenophobic attacks against black foreigners in South Africa being attacked by black South Africans for 'racist' reasons (i.e. not primarily reasons of greed) has risen dramatically countrywide since the end of the World Cup 2010... And the map reproduced with the article below also comes from Farmitracker.com.http://censorbugbear-reports.blogspot.com/2012/02/daily-600-african-asylum-seekers-in-wc.htm

  • Jacques - 2012-02-09 14:08

    Is'nt this the ANC's plan to get voters in WC?

  • annie.kalahari - 2012-02-09 14:10

    http://censorbugbear-reports.blogspot.com/2012/02/daily-600-african-asylum-seekers-in-wc.htm

  • Lephutsi - 2012-02-09 20:05

    Somalians and Nigerians cause problems everywhere they go. Is the ANC benefitting from them been in the country. Both countries never helped us during the struggle and I don't understand why they are allowed to enter the country as they wish. South Africa must be the only country in the world where a foreigner can enter the country and start a business without permission from authorities. Another big problem is that they are not paying tax and not creating jobs for the country. If I was the President I would kick them out of the country.

  • ferdinand.veer - 2012-02-10 01:26

    The solution - https://www.facebook.com/groups/2372533283/

  • ferdinand.veer - 2012-02-10 01:38

    Even the Brits are getting fed up with these parasites that the tax payer must carry. They want to implement a new law now that those earning less than 31 000 pounds a year must pack their stuff and go to where they came from as they are not contributing to the British economy. Look at this one -http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1293730/Somali-asylum-seeker-family-given-2m-house--complaining-5-bed-London-home-poor-area.html

  • Anthony - 2012-02-10 12:14

    I think prosecutors should only get paid if they a) Get a conviction b) Prevent a suspect of violent/serious/fatality related crime getting bail c) In General, win their case. Defense lawyers are paid to win and that is why they try harder than the prosecutors. How does a foreign national, probably here illegally or on asylum accused of a crime get bail, that should be instant deportation.

  • Celtis - 2012-02-10 12:31

    Crime follows the money.

  • betsy.compaan - 2012-02-10 15:09

    When will anc supporters realize that their problems will never end as long as our borders remain open? We just can't accommodate the whole of Africa in South Africa! Do what other countries are doing and only let the nationals in with qualifications and then use those qualifications to better South Africa's economy, stop trading South African citizenship for an anc vote so that the comrades can get fatter! If we don't close our borders soon all South Africans of all colors can kiss their dreams goodbye.

  • Jay - 2012-02-11 12:07

    ANC loves to use the excuse that our african neighbors helped them during APARTHEID when they were in exile........then again i dont think mandela and sisulu were raping, robbing and selling drugs in those countries!! get out u animals!!!!!!!!!!