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Four years to oppose tolls, says Sanral

2012-04-26 14:19

Johannesburg - There had been numerous opportunities to oppose the e-toll system after it was announced four years ago, the North Gauteng High Court heard on Thursday.

"There was a public announcement in 2008. This was not a secret process; you could drive on the roads and see that there was work being done," SA National Roads Agency Ltd (Sanral) lawyer David Unterhalter said.

He said the Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa) must explain why it did not act against the tolls over the last four years.

"It is not surprising that there is opposition now, when it is time to pay," he said.

He said Sanral understood that there were efforts to stop the launch, because every new public service that required people to pay for it always made people "unhappy".

"It is the oldest story in the world."

He said people paid for electricity from Eskom as well as water and sanitation services from their municipality.

"We do not want to live in a society where if some people don't want to pay for those services, we should not offer those services at all."

Completely rational

Judge Bill Prinsloo was hearing responding arguments from Sanral against Outa's application to have an urgent interdict delaying the launch of the tolls.

Unterhalter said the effect of the interdict would be felt for several years afterwards.

"The interdict is like asking a shop owner to close its doors for a few months. The damage is done in months, but will take years to rehabilitate. Just look at Greece."

He said the interdict would cost Sanral over R200m a month and would affect its ability to pay its creditors, and that would impact on South Africa's credit rating.

He said the decision to toll Gauteng's highways was based on a complex situation, and was completely rational.

"When the applicants [Outa] say it would cost R20bn over 20 years for the e-toll project, they have only looked at a piece of a puzzle and made an assessment," Unterhalter said.

Their assessment was based on a 60% delinquency rate for motorists.

"When we have more reasonable levels of compliance, then the amounts will make more sense. If you run after a lot people to pay, the costs will go up."

He said documents signed by the minister of transport for the approval of the e-tolls did not say it was contingent on the province having "sufficient alternative methods of public transport".

"It referenced the desire of the project to promote the alternatives."

Comments
  • Marion - 2012-04-26 14:24

    Hey mate!! When those roadworks were happening I, for one, thought it was for the World Cup (that by the way was supposed to bring so much money into SA that never materialized.) Don't come with that c**p now. First time I heard about these tolls was either end of 2010 or during 2011 and I watch tv news at least once a day. During 2008 I was getting The Star almost every day. Pull the other one, it's more gullible.

      mariuskowie - 2012-04-26 14:31

      Where are the bunch of dislike's now?

      Marion - 2012-04-26 14:37

      @Rebel - I think the clickers all knocked off early 'cos of the long weekend.

      Kala - 2012-04-26 14:37

      The SANRAL Trolls were only paid until 2 'O Clock

      Peter - 2012-04-26 14:48

      "He said the Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa) must explain why it did not act against the tolls over the last four years." This was explained yesterday already (if I am not mistaken) when the urgency or not of the application was argued? The judge accepted the arguments against SANRAL then --- why demand this again now?

      Irene - 2012-04-26 14:56

      What utter BS! Show us the full page newspaper ads and show us the ads on TV - that's how the public gets informed and not through a Government Gazette!

      christian.helberg - 2012-04-26 15:07

      They misled the public Marion, their timing was perfect cause we all thought the same as you.

      stereev - 2012-04-26 15:15

      @Leonardb1: the pic, which has an investment in SANRAL manages a fund that was worth R919 billion in 2010 The R15 billion they have in this project is worth 1.6% of that. That's peanuts. They make more then that in a month. My plan for the GFIP: Get PIC to pay off all the debt, and take complete control of the roads. They are one of the country's best run organisations. Put the price of petrol in GP up by 10c a liter which goes directly to the PIC. That way, every litre of petrol you buy is directly investing in your pension. Use the gantries to monitor average speeds of vehicles and following distances. Fines from that would pay for the actual gantry costs and maintenance, and ensure better safety on our roads. See :http://www.outa.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Calculations-on-E-Tolling-vs-Fuel-Levy-Model-3.pdf

      NrGx - 2012-04-26 15:34

      I will either pay fuel levies OR e-toll. I WILL NOT pay both so you can stuff your pockets even more! I/We are already taxed so heavily that we can barely survive, but I fear this government will not stop till they every cent in their own pockets.

      Ina - 2012-04-26 18:14

      Quite right Marion, that was what we were all given to understand. Besides, how could we have objected if we were only recently told what exorbitant fees were to be charged? It's outrageous, to say the least!

  • Steve - 2012-04-26 14:24

    We've been opposing the tolls for four years but nobody #$@@^& listens!

      JaredVN - 2012-04-26 15:17

      The point is that Scumral DID NOT announce the extortionate toll tariffs 4 years ago. They also did not provide the unfair terms and conditions until very recently. If Scumral told the truth about the R1.80 per km fees 4 years ago, this court case would have happened long ago. It is due to Scumral's deliberate lying and hiding of the facts that there is now an open revolt. Furthermore, my heart bleeds for Sanral who will "lose" R200m per month. NOT!!! What about millions of Gauteng motorists, many of whom are struggling to make ends meet and who will be pushed over the edge by these extortionate tolls? Go and F..CK yourself, SCAMRAL- WE WILL NOT PAY!!!

      George - 2012-04-27 07:22

      Like all con artists they thought they could manipulate us, bit by bit, like the frog in hot water. But, I thinks there have been so many cons going on we, the SA public are now probably the most astute con detectors in the world. And what's more we now see the value of standing united. As the American Founding Fathers said, freedom is a never ending battle. There is always a SCAMRAL around the corner trying to deprive you of it.

  • grenville.salmon - 2012-04-26 14:29

    Outa are not saying they dont want to pay, they are saying they want to pay for it using the fuel levey which is a lot more efficient. What law firm is Unterhalter from, they seem pretty useless, is this guy not able to read?

      JaredVN - 2012-04-26 15:43

      This whole madness is about to collapse because many in the ANC do not support it politically. The toll project was started under the Mbeki regime. The current bunch are already running for cover. Jeremy Cronin (deputy Transport Minister) said in Parliament today that they would not have gone for the e-tolling if they knew what they know now. He also admitted that the current e-Toll idiocy is only Phase 1A but later phases aren't going to happen any more.

  • Muffin_man_can - 2012-04-26 14:33

    Go f....ck yourselves SANRAL!!

      James - 2012-04-26 14:43

      WHOLE HEARTEDLY AGREED!!!

      Irene - 2012-04-26 14:57

      And all the idiots that are queueing to buy their e-tag. The mind boggles that people volunteer to support corruption.

      George - 2012-04-27 07:32

      One reasons we have the situation of corruption and the crime mayhem is the SA public are far too compliant. We need to learn to hunt them down and recover our pioneering spirit. When you see a cockroach you squish it, no questions asked...

  • Tuco - 2012-04-26 14:33

    Oh well, its going to take you 40 years to find me and invoice me. and even after that I'll still tell you to shove that invoice up your @$$. Oh and scamral trolls you can thumb me down all you want, won't change a damn thing. you still scum.

      Alf - 2012-04-26 21:13

      I FULLY AGREE. If it drags on too long or does not get off the ground at all Alli might just turn his back and take it like a man!Scumral rule No. 1 screw or get screwed!

  • lizette.mills - 2012-04-26 14:35

    WHAT SERVICE ARE YOU RENDERING IF YOU CHARGE US WITH MONEY THAT WE ODN'T HAVE!?? DO YOU NOT REALISE THAT THIS IS AFFECTING EVERYTHING! ALL LIVING COSTS ARE GOIN UP, FOOD PETROL, EVERYTHING. THIS MEANS THAT SOCIETY IS DEGENERATING FINANCIALLY! do you think that we are going to get salary increases?? NO! BUT WE HAVE OT PAY MORE FOR PETROL! PAY MORE FOR TOLL ROADS! PAY MORE FOR FOOD ETC ETC ETC!! WHILE YOUR POCKETS ARE BEING STUFFED IN THIS DISGUSTING CORRUPT GOVERNMENT, AND WHY ONLY GAUTENG?? WHY SHOULD WE BEAR A COUNTRY'S BURDEN? I YOU PEOPLE ARE DESTROYING OUR LIVES AND YOU DON'T CARE COZ YOU GONNA GET RICH, LIKE THE FAT CAT CURRUPT RICH BASTARDS THAT RUN THIS COUNTRY!

      Felix - 2012-04-26 14:53

      It's those same fat cats that are benefiting from this scheme.

  • Loo - 2012-04-26 14:35

    You told us we were going to be tolled a while ago. BUT you told us HOW MUCH a few days ago. SPOT the BIGGER problem we have now on top of the unhappiness and negativity we had with this BS already.. IS IT SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND ???!!!

  • James - 2012-04-26 14:35

    HEY NEWS24 WHERE IS MY COMMENT??? ARE YOU PAID BY SAMRAL TO DELETE COMMENTS NOW???

      James - 2012-04-26 14:41

      IS THIS NOT A FREE COUNTRY OR HAVE YOU BEEN BRIBED BY SCAMRAL?? PLEASE REINSTATE MY COMMENT!

      Marion - 2012-04-26 14:41

      @James - Today I sent an email directly to someone who works for 24.com asking him why perfectly decent comments are being removed. Still waiting for a reply.

      adrianlouw2 - 2012-04-26 14:49

      come on james no one wants to listen to you, it's like the whole country, no one listens, change by vote

      James - 2012-04-26 14:51

      @Marion So Sad ,doubt you will ever get a reply.

      Irene - 2012-04-26 14:59

      It all depends on the political persuasions of the moderator as to whether your comment remains or not. Most likely the anCancer one is on duty at the moment.

      James - 2012-04-26 15:01

      @adrianlouw2 already there. wish some of the other sheep would follow instead of voting for the same idiots over and over again!

  • Michael - 2012-04-26 14:38

    Did SANRAL asked us 4 years ago? Did SANRAL told us 4 years ago that it will cost ZAR1.78p/km? Did SANRAL told us 4 years ago State Employees's Pension Funds are used. This SANRAL Lawyer is somewhat IRRATIONAL.

      Sheik - 2012-04-26 15:33

      He has to lie, birds of a feather.

      Michael - 2012-04-26 16:45

      He has 2 lie, so what....does it make an rational opinion or a difference...... NO. He is such a fool, hope he pay the full amount for his road use. And THE ONE THAT UNLIKED this status, justify it to me.

  • James - 2012-04-26 14:38

    HEY NEWS24 WHERE IS MY COMMENT??? ARE YOU PAID BY SAMRAL TO DELETE COMMENTS NOW???

  • Christelle - 2012-04-26 14:39

    Fine, then scrap all the fuel levies and taxes I am paying already, then I might think of getting an e-tag ... otherwise f@$%# off

      Wimpie.Haefele - 2012-04-26 14:48

      I agree 100% scrap all tax on fuel which should be about 50% of the total price and then by all means bring on e-tolling

  • Loo - 2012-04-26 14:39

    ITS RATIONAL and based on complex factors ???? .. YET same time earlier today the minister could not even give figures !!!!! and even admitted that the figures submitted to the court might be wrong. NOW you suddenly sprout figures again ??!!! Make up your minds

  • cyanideandhappiness - 2012-04-26 14:40

    Fact is, this is a service that the people DO NOT want! If the courts and the government claim that they represent the rights and well being of the people and the constitution, then logic and reason will tell them that this system must be scrapped immediately and investigations should be run to discover the corrupt people responsible for this mess. All the lines logically draw that this is in no way beneficial to the economy or the people, but instead to the demons sitting at the top of that very high pyramid. Scrap it now or we will come take away what you have taken from us Scamral!!!

  • Victor - 2012-04-26 14:41

    I was never informed that there was going to be toll roads in Jo-Burg.

      Irene - 2012-04-26 15:00

      Nor me and I wasn't counted in the census either.

  • Jiri - 2012-04-26 14:41

    How do you base your business model on the fact that you only expect 40% of the people to pay for your product. Such a business should never be allowed to start up. Government how do you even get involved with such a scheme? The second point i want to make what happens if the collection is better than 40% say 80% to whome does the profit go to.

      Marion - 2012-04-26 14:46

      Whose assessment was based on 60% delinquency rate? OUTA's? Probably more accurate than SANRALs expected 7% delinquency rate.

  • Carry - 2012-04-26 14:43

    WE'VE BEEN COMPLAINING FROM DAY DOT .............. AND scamRAL HAVE CHOSEN TO IGNORE US. WE WILL NO LONGER BE IGNORED. DOES THE anc AND scamRAL ACTUALLY THINK ANY TAX PAYER WOULD HAVE AGREED TO BEING PUNISHED FOR THEIR IGNORANCE.

  • Loo - 2012-04-26 14:44

    Simple fact is ... RSA have a 2% economic growth before "tax and theft". We borrow 30% of budget. You NEED money !!! and Knew if you laid the cards on the table from the start,, this would never have gotten off the ground. Hence exposing us to this f#ck*p piece by piece and only dropped the bomb two weeks before implementation.

  • Michael - 2012-04-26 14:46

    Gauteng Road Users should take off or cover their Numberplates. The JMPD cant stop 4m cars.....

      Michael - 2012-04-26 16:39

      Attention to the two whom \disliked\ mys status. WHAT is rational about it? Do YOU pay for the toll. WTF. Sorry, its absolutely absurd.... I wasnt informed 4 years ago about it, i wasnt informed 4 years ago that State Employees pension funds would be used, I wasnt informed 4 years ago that it would cost me ZAR1.78p/km, so f--k oFf.

  • Carry - 2012-04-26 14:47

    scamRAL AND THE anc .......... YOU HAVE ALWAYS CHOSEN TO IGNORE THE PUBLIC AND NOW IT IS THE PUBLIC'S TURN TO IGNORE YOU.

      randomhero6661 - 2012-04-26 15:11

      i like the way you put it!

  • Carry - 2012-04-26 14:51

    IF THE PUBLIC HAD BEEN FOREWARNED ON THE anc AND scamRAL'S INTENTION ON THE ROAD UPGRADES FROM THE START, THE PROTESTS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED VERY EARLY ON. THERE IS NO WAY THE TAX PAYER WOULD BE HAPPY TO FORK OUT MORE AND MORE MONIES FOR THE GOVERNMENTS BLATANT BLUNDERS - AND BELIEVE ME THE LIES AND BLUNDERS HAVE NOT STOPPED. WE WILL STILL FIND OUT ALL ABOUT THE BACKHANDERS AND PAYOUTS .......... WATCH THIS SPACE.

  • misswoodcutter - 2012-04-26 14:53

    driving to and back from work i was calculating how much i'm gonna pay - around R20 return per day - meaning R400 per month, excluding weekend travel. So, basically i'm screwed. Never mind that the petrol price is going up. they don't seem to care how this will affect us. What a lovely country we live in - the working class getting poorer.

  • Samantha - 2012-04-26 14:53

    I also thought the roads were being done up for the world cup, I cannot recall hearing of the toll roads till last yr- You are handing out pamplets now, why not back then ?

  • WarrenStylin - 2012-04-26 14:54

    Ja, they started fixing the roads. Once they were almost finished, they then said...Hey, we are going to toll these roads now. When it was way too late to say NO.

  • george.pito - 2012-04-26 14:54

    Hey Sanral take youre crap out rent out the infrastructure for crime cameras or bill boards. The highways you have build is anyway always under contstruction and on the way to the airport they have to fix there crap work now. There is just no idea to use this for maintenance it is a money making scheme. 4 years ago we did not know your ability make decent roads is null. No tarrifs were published. Fact is these things went up no change management were done, So suffer

  • Susan - 2012-04-26 14:55

    My daughter studies in Potch and use the road ocasionally.I will NEVER get a e tag.They must send the bill registered post because otherwise it will get lost in the mail.And then of course i want proof that is was her car that used the road - you all know how they steal number plates...

  • mohag - 2012-04-26 14:56

    The possible costs was already in the media in 2007. http://152.111.1.87/argief/berigte/citypress/2007/08/24/C3/4/GPRoads.html http://152.111.1.88/argief/berigte/beeld/2008/04/03/B1/6/mftolpaaie.html

      James - 2012-04-26 15:18

      Where, on the last page in fine print?? certainly not front page!! SAVE IT!!

      mohag - 2012-04-26 19:33

      It is not Sanral's fault if the newspapers ignored their press releases... The problem is that everyone knew that the roads needed upgrading and didn't want to do anything that might prevent it... The Beeld article seem to have been page 1. (based on the URL, their archives aren't well documented) We need to pay for the roads anyway somehow... Fuel levies currently go to the treasury, where it might be abused for more minister's "vehicle funds" than toll going directly to Sanral. (The collection do seem somewhat expensive though...) Fuel levies are also unfair with the increase in use of electric and hybrid vehicles. Taxes end up exempting half of the users and cost more to higher income users. It also costs people who never use the roads a lot of money. The tolls have the advantage of only being a major expense for the who think that living 50 km from work is a good idea (and don't try carpooling, some public transport, etc). If it increases carpooling and public transport use, it might actually save people some money (Toll+fuel between 3 people are less than 3 cars' fuel) What is needed is a lot more transparency into Sanral's finances. If users almost always need to register, making them "agree" to terms and conditions are unfair, and forcing the rules down should be done through legislation, which at least don't give users the illusion that they can choose not to agree. (The 3 tarrifs currently seem to be: Registered e-tag, registered - no tag, unregistered)

  • Warwick - 2012-04-26 14:56

    He's a lawyer, a sanral lawyer - they are designed to lie, bend the truth and talk in tounges. He's a fibing snake with no scruples - look who's paying him?. I will never give a cent to these tolls. That's the bottom line................and pray I never meet you Ali.

  • Takalani - 2012-04-26 14:56

    ANC? 2014? mmmmm

      Irene - 2012-04-26 15:02

      For the sake of South Africa we can but hope that these tolls will be the downfall of the ANC.

  • Loo - 2012-04-26 14:57

    "When we have more reasonable levels of compliance, then the amounts will make more sense. If you run after a lot people to pay, the costs will go up." WAKE up MAN !! Since when did they think people were going to pay like in China. the Govt cant even collect water, electricity or speeding debts. How in hell did they think they were going to collect THIS. Were you all "gesuip" when you concocted the business plan ? NOW you realize your mistake and introduced the penalty clause for not having an e-tag

  • Johan - 2012-04-26 14:58

    We have no problem with tolls. And it may have been discussed and publicized in government gazettes. [Who reads these things anyway] WE ONLY GOT UP IN ARMS WHEN WE HEARD WHAT THE TARIFFS WERE GOING TO BE. THAT'S WHEN WE GOT PISSED OFF.

  • camp.j - 2012-04-26 14:59

    Don't kid yourself Unterhalter! Who had 4 years to oppose the tolls? The people? Since when have the people of SA been involved in any decision making?

  • Riad - 2012-04-26 15:00

    If we knew all the recent revelation 4years ago, this dimwit lawyer that's basing the merits of his defence on behalf of another dum witted government agency/department or whatever you want to call them, the OUTA of today would have been there with the very same merits fighting this case. I wonder what merits they would have then come up with……………..

  • Takalani - 2012-04-26 15:01

    FK the e-toll!!! we are underbudget with petrol!!Now Mushini wami wanna nai us with sh*t etoll!!we dont even have to go to Mangaung!!

  • Ricky Naidoo - 2012-04-26 15:01

    Mr laywer, stop protecting the thieves. May we know what your cut is in this whole deal?

  • Riad - 2012-04-26 15:01

    If we knew all the recent revelation 4years ago, this dimwit lawyer that's basing the merits of his defence on behalf of another dum witted government agency/department or whatever you want to call them, the OUTA of today would have been there with the very same merits fighting this case. I wonder what merits they would have then come up with……………..

  • Eternity - 2012-04-26 15:05

    Sanral, I could ride on the same highway before without paying before you stuck your sticky fingers in them. Was there an announcement in 2008 that we would need to pay??? I thought it was all our TAXes going to good use!

      Sheik - 2012-04-26 15:30

      It's no faster then before, the off ramps are still the same.

  • Loo - 2012-04-26 15:06

    We dont realize how communistic weve become. The govt is the largest shareholder in almost all the large businesses and or revenue generating ventures in this country, except for the banks and mines. Problem is. there is only So much money in the RSA pool. More and more money get shifted to govt through ventures like this as they realized that increasing the 65% tax effectively were already paying cant go up. So they have to resort to this and of course the new ID card's coming soon for example

      Loo - 2012-04-26 15:09

      Its simply redistribution of Wealth without admitting your's communistic. WHY ? Cause by far the majority of this country's citizens don't pay tax nor do they own cars. yes food etc. increases for them too. BUT look at the ratio compared to a contributing (tax paying) household.

  • simon.delmont - 2012-04-26 15:08

    a service?

  • Cassandra Olivier - 2012-04-26 15:08

    When in 2008 was the tolls mentioned we all thought it was for the 2010 world cup

  • Vaughan - 2012-04-26 15:09

    South Africa's credit rating is already in the toilet so what's the difference.

  • randomhero6661 - 2012-04-26 15:10

    this uitenhage needs a warming to the ear, once again and everyone knows it sanral go f yourself!

      randomhero6661 - 2012-04-26 15:11

      whatever his surname is!

  • maresa.kurz - 2012-04-26 15:15

    "When we have more reasonable levels of compliance, then the amounts will make more sense. If you run after a lot people to pay, the costs will go up." I pay a lot of things, bregrudingly, just like everyone else... but this? No. They are going to be running.

  • Ken - 2012-04-26 15:20

    get the lotto to fund it and stop paying for kissing parties

  • Anthony - 2012-04-26 15:21

    SCAMRAL keep moving the goalposts, it's like trying to hit a moving target. We were eventually told that the fee would be 30c/km (with registered e-tag), now it's a fee paid per gantry passsed, irrespective if you leave the highway less than a kilometre down the road. They then bring in another classification of road user, the "alternate user" at a rate of almost 6 times the discounted rate. And all this just over a week before tolling is due to start. Even though legislation hasn't yet been passed to exempt taxis and buses from the tolls, Nazir Ali says "no problem taxis, just bring your operators licence and we'll cancel the fee until such time as the legislation is in place" HYPOCRITE, just last week he said that "Gauteng motorists couldn't choose the law that suited them" (or words to that effect) and today he does exactly the same thing. Taxis and buses are NOT exempt from paying toll fees and you Nazir Ali, do not have the authority to selectively cancel their debts. Makes me want to puke!!

  • odupreez - 2012-04-26 15:21

    The whole process is and was not transparent to the public at any given time even now the actual costs, who and what is involved is not completly known. This is public money and the public has a right to know, the system is flawed and has obviously not been thought through properly - or has it - who is getting what kickback and another way to create jobs and screw the public.

  • Gregory - 2012-04-26 15:26

    Eat S**t. Sanral , you may have the ANCBC (sabc) on your side. But the people of Gauteng hate you with a passion. Sticking your thieving hands into our pockets and spitting in our faces. F**k U.

  • Carla - 2012-04-26 15:26

    They can keep on spewing their BS!. I'm not going to buy an E-tag.

  • Bless Boswell - 2012-04-26 15:26

    Four years ago we did not know that they were going to charge such exorbitant rates, and furthermore, why should we question roadworks - they should be an ongoing part of maintenance. We also did not know what the potential hazard would be of divulging our banking details, neither we're we given insight as to how they intend to collect the monies. It was also not apparent how they had funded the project. In other words, the project went ahead and no-one actually knew anything about it. Now, we must pay. Where does the petrol tax/levy go? It doesn't look like its going where it ought to go. Is this more corruption?

      Gogs Lombard - 2012-04-26 15:48

      I am convinced that the partners in this scheme need to be exposed. Despite massive public opposition they went ahead. Somebody, somewhere is going to make a massive amount of money. This has nothing to do with road maintenance.

  • Ryan - 2012-04-26 15:30

    "When we have more reasonable levels of compliance, then the amounts will make more sense. If you run after a lot people to pay, the costs will go up." SANRAL is admitting that the current rates are based on non compliance. How about looking at a rate that would promote compliance. And provide confidence in the public by fixing this rate for a period of years. Furthermore, treat all users as payers. Don't come along with exemption clauses. How does the system impose payment on out of province or out country vehicles using the infrastructure? This system is flawed on many levels. This is a first world concept being applied in a predominantly third world country. With royalty and service fees being expropriated to a European country! How does that help our economy? This system is creating a false economy. Employees can't suddenly be poorer every month. Companies need to adjust salaries which will benefit the government with further taxes. If companies pay the fees it will more likely be deemed a fringe benefit so still be taxed! It always takes the 11th hour to fight stupidity like this!! And the rates were only disclosed last year.

  • Brent - 2012-04-26 15:33

    Gauteng, if tolling goes ahead as many of us need to stay off the highways as possible to literally benkrupt this thing.

      Sekhwama - 2012-04-26 15:46

      or go and tell nsri ally that if he need help he must just go straight 2 the sabc in programme called touchinglives@sabc.co.za,some one will come for a rescue not the whole sa roadusers

      Nikki Bodenstein - 2012-04-26 21:16

      People will vandalize there e-toll junk on the highway. Our municipality tried to put up a speed camera around here and the locals dismantled it within hours. There's just a pole there now! Lmao!!!