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French fugitives 'given chance to surrender'

2011-01-25 09:08

Johannesburg - The police did offer the French couple who died in the Karoo a chance to surrender, French consul Antoine Michon told The Cape Times in a report on Tuesday.

"We were told they were offered terms to surrender... I was told by a senior official," Michon said.

"We have no reason to believe the police did not act professionally."

The Independent Complaints Directorate was investigating the shooting incident in the Karoo town of Sutherland last week.

On the run

The couple, Philippe Menière, 60, and Agnes Jardel, 55, had been on the run for six days after allegedly shooting dead student Constable Jacob Boleme and wounding Warrant Officer Glenwell du Toit.

The couple, who was believed to have belonged to a survivalist cult, died on Thursday after police found them in a building on the farm on which they had been living.

But the police would not say if they had been shot dead by police, if they had committed suicide, or if they had been given a chance to surrender.

"They were shot in a house on the farm, and certified dead," said Lieutenant Colonel Hendrik Swart, declining to give more details.

Michon said Menière was 30 and Jardel 25 when they first arrived in South Africa.

"He was a medical doctor in France and worked for a pharmaceutical company. He had a good job. We don't have much information about her in France but she was very young when she left, 25, so probably recently finished university. They were both from Paris," Michon told the newspaper.

Comments
  • stephanjvv - 2011-01-25 09:23

    The same chance the KZN farmer was given?

      lonatrading2009 - 2011-01-25 09:30

      Different places, different people. So no, most likely not.

      SiphovdMerwe - 2011-01-25 09:41

      I need to know what gives the idea that the KZN farmer was not afforded more or less the same opportunity as the French nationals. The police follow pretty much the same script when apprehending criminals.

      blaisin - 2011-01-25 10:01

      They weren't given a chance. The french couple simply just "booby trapped" themselves with hand grinades (after Agnes screamed?). And the farmer had shot himself in the neck after being shot in the back?

  • Challenger1 - 2011-01-25 09:31

    First of all I think it is absolutely ridiculous for the police to only finding the French couple after 5 days only 5oo meters from the first incident. Imagine what would have happened to us if we had those caliber police officers on our borders a couple of years ago. There we had to find the gorillas 5000 kilometers apart.

      SiphovdMerwe - 2011-01-25 09:38

      Why were you hunting gorillas?

      carol12za - 2011-01-25 09:49

      guerrilla

      GT - 2011-01-25 09:54

      I think the challenger was referring to guerrillas. Got to love news24 - there are racists and commies behind every post

      brianR - 2011-01-25 10:02

      oh ffs, the 500m story is long in the tooth... ever heard of people returning to the scene of a crime?

      JDuvenhage - 2011-01-25 11:48

      Oi, Guerrilla warfare is a form of irregular warfare and refers to conflicts in which a small group of combatants including, but not limited to, armed civilians (or "irregulars") used military tactics, such as ambushes, sabotage, raids, the element of surprise, and extraordinary mobility to harass a larger and less-mobile traditional army, or strike a vulnerable target, and withdraw almost immediately. As per (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_warfare) Not a term describin a society, but one describing a tactic. My goodness people... Get a grip.

      BigPig69 - 2011-01-26 06:37

      5000km..... We talking bout the same place here? Go find your brain, then we can proceed....

  • Carlos - 2011-01-25 09:47

    They were offered terms to surrender the South African way!

  • thundacat - 2011-01-25 09:59

    Were they asked to surrender before or after they got shot?

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-01-25 11:05

      Who cares?

  • Francois - 2011-01-25 10:00

    Do you think they understood "Handsup or we skiet!"

  • Darwinian - 2011-01-25 10:01

    With a shoot and kill everything(including kids playing with sticks) attitude, I hardly believe this... anyway some say that the couple committed suicide, some say that they still need to be identified, all we know it is called the SAPS...

  • nikimbeko - 2011-01-25 10:06

    The Senoir official was lying.......

      Howzitekse - 2011-01-27 02:11

      And you know this - how? Stop taking cheao shots, it shows more about you that the person you are slandering.

  • mlvanwyk63 - 2011-01-25 10:11

    Under the rug swept.. one cannot believe anything anybody says these days .. especially where the government is involved. Press conferences = lying parades

  • zip reeper - 2011-01-25 10:19

    so this consul believes a south african cop (or any government spokesman)? insane!

  • CMTHA - 2011-01-25 10:23

    people who have been commenting on this story are mostly asleep. they are just talking nonsense. please read the story again. does it talk about the KZN farmer?

  • Colourblind - 2011-01-25 10:29

    A French person given an opportunity to surrender and they didn't take it? Are we sure these people were French?

      fwallrustitie - 2011-01-25 10:38

      rotfl sharpest chirp in a long time

      horst.o.muller - 2011-01-25 11:08

      yes, take a star for the best contribution to this discussion.

      Howzitekse - 2011-01-27 02:13

      Very funny. I had'nt thought of that.

  • antoinette.vanderwalt - 2011-01-25 10:51

    40 years in South Africa, with no criminal record. I wonder how Mr Du Plessis feels now. If he knew this is how the police are going to handle the situation, he would never call on them for help. He and his family must feel terrible.... !!!

      Colourblind - 2011-01-25 11:01

      No criminal record, yet they shot at the police. You just don't do that.

      WPWW - 2011-01-25 11:19

      The initial contact with police has some very sketchy details, how and why the first shots rang out? we may never know. Dont be to quick to judge until you have all the facts, perhaps the cops were not in the right in the beginning and maybe Phillipe fired in self defense

      Will2.0 - 2011-01-25 12:20

      I can't believe you're defending them! Would you have done so if they were Somalian? Or Xhosa for that matter? The 40 years before they shot cops doesn't matter. Every second thereafter does, they reaped what they sowed.

      Darwinian - 2011-01-25 12:27

      Well, how do YOU know when it is the SAPS and not some thugs dressed as the SAPS. Even MEC's cant tell the difference.

  • horst.o.muller - 2011-01-25 11:05

    Com-on people lay off it, the police acted correctly. These French people shot at the police first and actually killed one of them. I would not even have given them a chance to surrender.

      JDuvenhage - 2011-01-25 11:52

      YES SIR SERGEANT, SIR!

      Celesté - 2011-01-26 08:48

      Exactly! The police sent in after the initial event were highly trained officials who did what had to be done - no less. I don't see why there is any sympathy at all for these Frenchies - they shot one policeman dead, shot another in the BACK, and then CHASED after the others present and tried to HUNT THEM DOWN!!! Good grief, people, why should they be given the chance to walk away after all that? Anyway, they probably would have killed themselves first. So their end came before 2012... no loss to South Africa.

      Howzitekse - 2011-01-27 02:20

      They had 5 days to turn themselves in, but must have realised that they faced long prison sentences. The fact that they did not turn themselves in is a strong indication that they were not going to be taken alive. People who are attacking the cops have got some serious deficiencies. Mental deficiencies. I expect some of them to be stupid enough to take shots at the police in the near future.

  • kevin.vandyk - 2011-01-25 11:40

    ummm "They were shot..." I think that rules out suicide.

      JDuvenhage - 2011-01-25 11:57

      Unless, they were shot by themselves...

      elbie - 2011-01-25 14:32

      Shot ... maybe. But were they themselves?

  • Olavin - 2011-01-25 11:43

    This couple shot one of the SAP's own, why would the couple be given a chance to surrender after that? It was a vengence killing, and they must have jumped at the chance to legally shoot up a couple of white folk for a change. Probably why there were 85 of them, all very eager.

      Darwinian - 2011-01-25 12:30

      So what happens if the Elite's bodyguards start to shoot(words) at the SAPS?

      Darwinian - 2011-01-25 12:32

      True, Vengeance killing is a daily occurrence with the SAPS/Reservists

  • Bongi - 2011-01-25 13:25

    Where South African police are involved, I don't I can trust anything really. They are known for shooting innocent people and nothing gets done about that and in this case I don't think the couple was given a chance to surrender especially after shooting their own.

      African'shtr - 2011-01-26 08:47

      Are you out of your mind lady? how do you want police to react on dangerous people heh!, they have done a graite job, "shoot to kill" those people were waste in our Lovely country, I don't care whether they were Whites nor fucken Blacks "Inja mayife qha"(A Dog Must Die thats all)

  • Teboho - 2011-01-25 15:00

    French consul Antoine Michon must try telling that to the Racist FF+ who make noise at will when white criminals are subject to what they deserve. These monkeys take SA as a playing ground where they can do as they please solely on the basis of their colour and origin. I want to hear FF+ opening their mouth when black thiefs are ambushed by cops, which is a daily occurance and to them its business as ussual...

      elbie - 2011-01-25 15:11

      @Teboho. Have you got the right page, dear? I do not see (nor heard of) any reference to FF+ here. Trying to stir some, I see.

      WaxinLyrical - 2011-01-25 15:23

      ooh the race card! *shocking* I wondered when someone was going to pull that one! C'mon its French people killing South African policeman, and planning to do who knows what with all the ammo they have been stashing. Enough with the black and white and lets alll be upset that human life has been lost

      Celesté - 2011-01-26 08:52

      Doesn't matter if it's black, white, pink, alien or foreigners! It was a crime and should be dealt with!!

  • Robert - 2011-01-25 17:59

    Shooting criminals and murderers after"giving" them the chance to surrender? Now that's Ayoba!!

  • cdaniel007 - 2011-01-28 13:37

    85 Police men and 1 helicopter in a task force to track down and capture 2 elderly pensioners, one of them a woman!!? And then when they are eventually found close to their original home they are killed under what appears to be very funny circumstances. Sigh, do we need another National Police day when its clear that they already had a circus party, it is indeed a sad comedy of errors. NB: If you want to stay alive, do think carefully before calling the bungling police! Highly Skeptical

  • cdaniel007 - 2011-01-28 13:50

    *85 Police men and 1 helicopter in a task force to track down and capture 2 elderly pensioners, one of them a woman!!? And then when they are eventually found close to their original home they are killed under what appears to be very funny circumstances. Sigh, do we need a National Police day when it seems that they already had their circus party? Indeed a sad comedy of errors. Seriously, if you want to stay alive, stay away from bungling police! Highly Skeptical

  • cdaniel007 - 2011-01-28 23:50

    85 Police men and 1 helicopter in a task force to track down and capture 2 elderly pensioners, one of them a woman!!? And then when they are eventually found close to their original home they are killed under what appears to be very funny circumstances. Sigh, do we really need a National Police day when its clear that they already had the circus party? It was indeed a sad comedy of errors albeit with a sobering message: "If you value your life, make sure to stay far away from the bungling police!" Highly Skeptical

  • cdaniel007 - 2011-01-28 23:56

    85 Police men and 1 helicopter in a task force to track down and capture 2 elderly pensioners, one of them a woman!!? And then when they are eventually found close to their original home they get killed under what appears to be very sketchy circumstances. Sigh, do we really need a National Police day when its clear that they already had the circus party? It was indeed a rather sad comedy of errors albeit with a sobering message: "If you value your life, make sure to stay far away from our bungling police!" Highly Skeptical

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