Gauteng is SA's home of crime - Cele

2011-03-30 14:23

Cape Town - Half of all the crime committed in South Africa happens in Gauteng, National Police Commissioner General Bheki Cele said on Wednesday.

"Gauteng is exactly 50% of South Africa's crime stats. The other provinces make up the other 50%," Cele told a parliamentary portfolio committee on police.

"The stats say that Gauteng is the home of crime."

This made Gauteng a top priority province in terms of resources and the building of police stations.

He said it was disturbing that while the province had 100 townships and more than 200 informal settlements, only 50 of its 135 police stations were situated in the townships and informal settlements.

"[We] need to have police stations mushrooming everywhere in Gauteng. To deal with crime, we have to deal with Gauteng," Cele said.

He said duty corps in the provinces would be maintained and more would be built.

These would be scaled down in "quieter" cities like Cape Town and Durban.

"Because in Gauteng if you go down a little, crime goes up the next day.

"In Gauteng, police stations must be forever there."

Cele was responding to criticism from committee members on wastage of funds and vacant police stations in some provinces.

  • Bottom line - 2011-03-30 14:26

    As if we don't know, I'm glad they realise it at this late hour! No need to go into why it's Gauteng, it will sound racist.

      Fat Rucker - 2011-03-30 15:09

      Wrong Pokkels, 73.8% is the number you're after.

      lenand40 - 2011-03-30 15:10

      Economic capital of the province? There is actually something to steal?

      Meanleader - 2011-03-30 15:42

      The have nots have not because they will not ! study , work , or think for themselves , or vote for a honest human party etc ... no sympathy here !

      Fat Rucker - 2011-03-30 15:47

      @Meanleader - did you actually engage your brain before writing this drivel?

      john - 2011-03-30 16:10

      Gauteng is inevitably the preferred destination of immigrants who arrive illegally. I think that contributes a lot to the problem. I don't think it's the wealth level of Gautengers. Homeowners have just as many cell phones, laptops, DVD players, etc in other SA cities. And they are worth the same as those in Gauteng. Why is a Capetonian's or Durbanite's Nokia worth less than a Gautenger's?? Gauteng is a magnet to the jobless. When they arrive in their millions and there are no jobs to be had, they turn to crime. The solution is not to build more police stations. The police don't solve many cases anyway, they're just there to give you a case number for insurance. Besides, a lot of them are responsible for crimes themselves. Instead, I think the solution is to convince potential immigrants that the grass isn't always greener on the other side. There is the same recession and unemployment in Gauteng as there is where you come from. So rather stay there.

      PilgrimX - 2011-03-30 16:44

      More non surprising stats that will lead to more endless debates. How about doing something about the crime then? Oh, wait, they now need the aid of private security companies to protect them. Perhaps the minister can use the police force for admin work while security companies can rake in the criminals. Come learn from our neighbourhood watch.

      Hans-Erik Iken - 2011-03-30 18:27

      Offcourse Gauteng is the crime capital. Government is located there isn't it?

  • Badger - 2011-03-30 14:32

    I suggest Cele take out the corruption in his police force and then start looking at combatting crime. His intentions might be honest but he should make sure that the honestcops are allowed to do their work without fearing that dockets might get stolen etc. It might also be a result of goverment that allow illigal immigrants to take over Gauteng. This can only be fixed by strenthening our border control etc. Look at the measures that US had to take to prevent drug trafficking.

      gizzy - 2011-03-30 14:43

      Or stop suspending honest police that pull over politicians (ala Winnie)!

      Badger - 2011-03-30 14:45

      100% agree with you gizzy.

      Steen - 2011-03-30 15:19

      @Badger 100% correct, @Gizzy being white doesn't mean you are honest, let the police finish their investigation and relieve what really transpired then we will start talking, until then it will remain "he said, i said" story.

      Meanleader - 2011-03-30 15:45

      Lord have mercy Badger ! Cele is the most corrupt of all . He could not achieve any of the things you mention .... he is part of the problem ! The rest of your comment shows mediocre intellect by stating the obvious !

      gizzy - 2011-03-30 16:09

      Steen, who said anything about being white? As far as I know those cops were one black and one white. But then I wasn't thinking race, where you?

  • Slapper - 2011-03-30 14:32

    Oh! Really! You have just discovered this? What a great Investigator. My Granny could have told you this a long time ago, for Nix. I suppose this cost the taxpayers millions for a mate to carry out a survey?

      Darter - 2011-03-30 14:35

      It might help actually reading the article before you comment....just a suggestion. "Cele was responding to criticism from committee members on wastage of funds and vacant police stations in some provinces."

      Slapper - 2011-03-30 15:02

      @Darter, I read it Mate and still wonder why this was not addressed years ago? Cele and his Keystone Cops seem to have just discovered it. What are you? A Cele apologist?

      Kevin King - 2011-03-30 15:05

      Well you shouldn't believe anything this racist, corrupt cop has to say.

  • BakkieB - 2011-03-30 14:34

    Wow.......Did he work this out all by himself.The fact that half the counties population also lives in Gauteng you would expect it to be the highest stats...duuuhh.

      Ockert - 2011-03-30 15:03

      Exactly, and main problem could be because of the squatter insurge, to find non-existant jobs (Promised ? or told of ?, or maybe to ensure the balance of voters in the province ?)

      Hein - 2011-03-30 15:45

      Stop polluting this comment section with facts! Facts have no place in these discussions! :-)

      ANC-FTL - 2011-06-13 10:02

      Gauteng doesnt have near half of SA population. Gauteng has +-11Million people SA has 50million do the math.

  • Nero - 2011-03-30 14:36

    Crime? What crime?

      Wanna be chef - 2011-03-30 16:07


  • Melly31 - 2011-03-30 14:37

    Cele - you are part of that CRIME that is and has been commited!

  • Spoofed - 2011-03-30 14:38

    No surprise here

  • Eric - 2011-03-30 14:39

    "Gauteng is exactly 50% of South Africa's crime stats. The other provinces make up the other 50%," Really I would never have guessed that if 50% of crime is committed in Gauteng that the other 50% would be in the other provinces - Light Bulb Moment - duh?

      Made_In_SA - 2011-03-30 14:50

      It's higher grade stuff Eric, Our new improved Education Dept only teaches lower grade, standard grades... Oh and wood work if you really a top achiever like Julie ass!

      IandI - 2011-03-30 15:08

      Maybe the poh-lease General thought we would think the other 50% happens in Zim,Libya or the USA..hehehe

  • Thelma - 2011-03-30 14:41

    Whoopi....tell us something we don't know!!! The only way you going to get crime down in Gauteng is by getting rid of all your currupt police and best you start from the top and work your way down.

  • camp.j - 2011-03-30 14:42

    Yup and you are one of the perpetrators of crime Cele

  • Ccsignor - 2011-03-30 14:42

    No shit!..where you been living Cele?..under a rock?

  • Sum1 - 2011-03-30 14:45

    he wants more police stations in gauteng but the ones that are there at present have incompetant staff and cant keep the crime down, what makes him think more police stations will bring crime down... think again bheki!!!!

  • Mike Webber - 2011-03-30 14:46

    So what are YOU, Mr. Police General, doing about it ??? We need half of our police force up here then don't we ??? Just have your police circle all the townships and monitor suspicious behaviour there, and you'll have sold Gauteng's crime problem. This is NOT racist, just the facts. We all know it ...

  • Straight Forward - 2011-03-30 14:47

    Correction. The ANC is the home of SA's crime

  • gizzy - 2011-03-30 14:47

    Of course crime is higher in Gauteng. Most of the politicians and their hangers on live there!

  • Made_In_SA - 2011-03-30 14:47

    Duh! jees Cele, djy is maar lekker slim neh? Did the naughty police portfolio committee give you detention for not doing your homework again?

  • Mike Webber - 2011-03-30 14:50

    What a load of racist drivel. Go cry me a river. This is what you get when the racist ANC government does not want to control crime. If we let these guys into our guys, they hijack us, so they must ride in the back like good boys.

  • MariusHJ - 2011-03-30 14:54

    Gauteng is where all foreigners go. Mostly homeless and unemployed. Just see what is going on in Alex and Ivory Park, locals are outnumbered and pushed out. They take over the businesses and run the townships, taking every shortcut possible, if this envolves murder or theft then it is done. Police are helpless and unless the government takes control of the situation in these townships, build houses with water and electricity and ban shacks, we will never be able to control the situation.

      Wanna be chef - 2011-03-30 16:09

      I agree, and all these foreigners are NOT paying tax, So where does that leave us. I say get rid of all these NIgerians, Mozambicans, Zimbamweans, Somali's and Ghana's they have their own ^*(( countries in Africa, let them go stuff it up there.

  • Gary - 2011-03-30 14:54

    no surpise that he wants to pull cops out of Cape Town.......I wonder why Cape Town is quieter............???

      Ockert - 2011-03-30 15:06

      The group that has to move a redistrubute it self (Manyi ?) probably commits less crime than the Joburg squatters

      Ockert - 2011-03-30 15:07

      Sorry and the Tswane Metro Police ?

  • Charlie - 2011-03-30 15:00

    Start to cleanup you own house ,your employees are high up on the list of criminals in the country

  • FRpower - 2011-03-30 15:01

    Wow Cele you and the police are sharp......not.Smallest province, biggest budget and you cant curb crime. I could have told you this years ago. LOL

  • Currie_Mafia - 2011-03-30 15:04

    If thats the case then Kwa-Zulu Natal must be the Rape Capital....

      Fat Rucker - 2011-03-30 15:11

      And the axe-murder capital...

  • PMG - 2011-03-30 15:10

    Cele - you yourself are a criminal,you have yet to properly explain the Roux Shubangu Pretoria and Durban lease deal.

  • Sarcastic - 2011-03-30 15:11

    'He said it was disturbing that while the province had 100 townships and more than 200 informal settlements, only 50 of its 135 police stations were situated in the townships and informal settlements.' LOL. Our Genaral only finds this disturbing now. He must have looked at the stats that one of his croonies had to thumbsuckand said, EISH. I nava thoght it was dat bad. To sound intelligent or even to sound like he knows what he is talking about, he says, 'Because in Gauteng if you go down a little, crime goes up the next day.' What a profound statement! Nobody would have figured that out. Genaral - get your finger outta your @rse - no dont smell your finger - open your eyes to what you should be focussing on. Or rather Fokass on.

  • Colin - 2011-03-30 15:18

    Hence the name "Gangster's Paradise", unfortunately there too many cops who are gangsters these morons give the dedicated police men and women a BAD name. Cele is doing absolutely nothing about it, taking a walk around is not reducing the rate of crime at all. The Nigerians have the bad ones in their pockets and can get away with any crime. What chance have we got?

  • peace_piece - 2011-03-30 15:20

    90% of crimes are committed by criminals, the other 10% are committed by ngghhh uhhg, other people. LOL. But give the man credit where it's due - this is a step in the right direction, so he's doing he's job. Why is everyone so reluctant to say that?

  • rantoftheday - 2011-03-30 15:20

    And a large portion of those crimes are committed by Mr. Cele’s boys in blue.

  • Rob - 2011-03-30 15:21

    The question is General Bheki Cele in which half do you fall?

      camp.j - 2011-03-30 15:34


  • Yngwtsf - 2011-03-30 15:21

    No way must they scale down policing activity in Durban- as far as crime is concerned, durbs is not a 'quiet' city.

  • Mundu - 2011-03-30 15:27

    I see a boom coming in the private security industry to provide guards for all these new cop shops.

      GBES - 2011-03-30 16:15

      LMAO.....that is why all the BIG syndicates and gangsters flee to Gauteng. They love the scared cops and the corrupt crime intelligence chiefs in Gauteng.Gangsters feel safe in Gauteng for some reason????

  • K@K Praat? - 2011-03-30 15:34

    ROFL!!!! How long did it take you to figgure that out? Jeezzzzz these people are so slow....

  • kneelow - 2011-03-30 15:36

    Sounds like a poor plan. Basically tell everyone "Western Cape policing will be reduced - go and commit your crimes there". It's bad enough in the Western Cape waiting 4 hours for cops to arrive when you have been robbed. How long will you wait in future?

  • K@K Praat? - 2011-03-30 15:39

    OH YEs Cele! The solution to your problem is easy bro! Let some other Political Party but the ANC handle GAUTENG.

  • Meanleader - 2011-03-30 15:39

    No go check the demographics of the country , and you will find similar percentages corresponding to crime in each area . Oh and Bekkie .... you live in Johannesburg too don't you . The name says it all "Gauteng" "take gold "

  • Deset Rat - 2011-03-30 15:39

    If 50% of the crime is committed in Gauteng, how did the General work out that he still had 50%? He claims he has no legal or accounting (leasing) skills???

  • wfreyneke - 2011-03-30 15:40

    How insightful, new, fresh, well researched data that will help improving the situation - bet no one knew that this was the case WOW! Well done Mr. Cele; now just figure out how the SAPS will stop losing their own fire-arms resulting in a great deal of these crimes being committed and you should receive an increase well above inflation, and move into your new office!

  • Bonzer - 2011-03-30 15:41

    Cele just caught himself out in a lie. He said "Gauteng is EXACTLY 50% of South Africa's crime stats. The other provinces make up the other 50%" Really EXACTLY 50%. So let the public see these statistics. There can be no doubt that Cele is not quoting from any statistics he is just making it up and has another agenda. His agenda is probably to take funding away from the Western Cape. Scumbag lying criminal.

  • Smaal - 2011-03-30 15:51

    Please keep your criminals in Gauteng!

  • unskinnybob - 2011-03-30 15:54

    Lead by example Cele. Arrest yourself and perhaps good things will follow.

  • heaman - 2011-03-30 16:01

    Thanks for that useless bit of info that South Africa already knows! Go and do something about it! Your bigger problem is the amount of corrupt pieces of s**t in the police force that are selling their weapons to criminals and claiming they were stolen not to mention being involved in many crimes themselves. Please Mr. Cele and Zuma catch a wake up!

  • Zupta - 2011-03-30 16:01

    Cele take a look and compare SA with singapore mate. U will see that SA tops the list As crime capital. My question what's ur plan we care very little about ur thumb such stats. Do u have clue get help brother , ask the DA. And start Actioning. ur foolhardy theories are not a solution.

  • Dog!! - 2011-03-30 16:04

    Wow!! "Gauteng is EXACTLY 50% of South Africa's crime stats. Yes I agree with that statement but the other 50% normally occur in the other provinces during "police day"!! Am I correct General?

  • Wanna be chef - 2011-03-30 16:06

    No kidding, Cele is a genius. Now if he could just figure out why?

  • MactheKnife - 2011-03-30 16:08

    Oh yea GP, the Gangster Province

  • chiepner - 2011-03-30 16:10

    Need to have police stations mushrooming? Just a question. Who is going to build this stations (the tender terpreneur who would get rewarded with the contracts) are Mr Cele planning in hiring other structures from people he knew before or after becoming commish? I thought our police force was already in dire state how do the commish propose they get around if the limited (well documented) transport the SAPS is facing? Do this mean more fire arms and other well sought after recources for the police force that they are already struggling to suck out of hired corners in the CBD? and is this just Mr Cele's way of increasing the budget to build half manned structures in order to fight crime? Im asking because our police force get paid BADLY! Our police men and woman gets trained badly and here you are calling for more offices to be manned by outsourced security companies to help protect the premisses. I dont know commish, but somehow it seems something is just being over looked on purpose or you actually do think we are all idiots. I so wish I could deduct the % of money that gets stolen, abused or misused by political figures like you from my tax money I get forced to pay each and every month.

  • phillip.dewaal - 2011-03-30 16:12

    Bheki, ya think?

  • Julius - 2011-03-30 16:15

    Do Cele and his wife live in Gauteng ?

  • The Observer - 2011-03-30 16:26

    Well tell us something we don't know for a change please.

  • Kadafi - 2011-03-30 16:26

    Obvious, these criminals from KZN don't have enough spots to commit crimes they are now all over Joburg. Wake up Cele, your stats should actually say: "criminals from my home town have now relocated to Joburg"

  • maseratifitt - 2011-03-30 16:38

    What an astounding revelation!