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Gauteng tolls too complex - DA

2011-02-07 12:01

Johannesburg - The tolling system to be levied on Gauteng highways is far too complex to enforce, the Democratic Alliance said on Monday.

"With the current billing chaos resulting mainly from the flawed Johannesburg computer system, not forgetting similar problems with the Ekurhuleni and Tshwane systems last year, yet another area of concern is being created with this system due to its complexity," DA transport spokesperson in Gauteng Neil Campbell said in a statement.

"Taxes are meant to be transparent and simple to understand, and a toll is just another tax. This one however is so complicated that mistakes are bound to creep in."

This follows the announcement by the SA National Roads Agency Limited (Sanral) of tariffs for the 185km Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project.

Its chief executive officer Nazir Alli said motorists who purchased the e-tag system would pay 49.5 cents a kilometre.

Medium-sized vehicles with the e-tag would be charged R1.49/km and heavy-duty vehicles with an e-tag would be charged R2.97/km.

Motorists would get further discounts depending on when they used the highway and on whether they were frequent users.

Campbell anticipated that those using the roads the least would pay the most.

"The person who finds him or herself on the freeway, perhaps by accident, will pay the most. Everyone else, it seems, except those too lazy to obtain an e-tag, qualifies for some form of discount which will be calculated after the event by a computer system," he said.

"While I am not in favour of these tolls being levied at all because of the lack of affordable, reliable, safe, punctual and widespread public transport alternatives, I am in favour of any decrease in the high cost of these tolls, but why do we have to make the simple act of tolling the highways as complicated as completing a Sars provisional tax return?"

Sanral could not immediately comment.

Comments
  • gen.mewmew - 2011-02-07 12:27

    daylight robbery

      remola - 2011-02-07 13:14

      The toll roads, essentially, turn the public highways into private tolled structures with the usage of those private structures to be paid for as any servive is paid for by a user. The idea of that is more than fair. EXCEPT, while you are driving on a private structure you should not be paying the government levies/taxes/road accident fund etc. etc. that are placed against the fuel you pump into you're vehicle by the government for usage of public roads. These levies are used to pay for example the upkeep of a public road. While your paying toll on a road you should not be paying taxes whatsoever on your fuel. What needs to happen is that all people who gets billed has a class action law suite against the government for the tax levies we should not be paying. I personally will be submitting a claim to the government and while I know I'm not going to get anywhere by myself at least I can cause some friction at some government departments for my own pleasure.

      Maki - 2011-02-07 13:24

      Its not daylight robbery, It is a focused tax. Would you prefer they upped PAYE 2% to pay for Joburgs roads - Great if you live in Joburg, not so cool if you reside in Umtata. Fact is it needed to be done and someone has to pay for it. Bru, use public transport rather, you will save money and you wont have to stress about driving. You can read your paper , phone and eat breakfast , instead of hassling. Maybe this change will see an increase in the volume and quality of Public transport traffic - good for the environment too.

      tyron007 - 2011-02-07 13:41

      @Maki let me guess you live in Umtata, and what public transport

      Pete OJ - 2011-02-07 13:44

      Maki: What public tarnsport system should I be using? Are you talking about the Gautrain? So now I arrive in Sandton and need to go to Cresta: What now? I have spend the last three months in Germany and even though they have one of the best public transport systems available, there are now tolls on the road. More people contribute to the pool of income for the state and fewer people are riding on the back of a small pool of taxpayers. This is focussed tax at the alleged haves so that the "havenots" don't have to get of their back-sides and work for a change. It is also extremely interesting that this toll system will be run by BEE brothers!

      remola - 2011-02-07 13:49

      @Maki Focused tax is 100% rigt. The problem is the tax is focused at the middle class to add money to government coffers that is slower to keep full enough to managed what is required. Between valuable tax payers leaving the country, corruption in all spheres and levels of the government and tax payers being murdered in their beds there is a big problem with filling coffers. Also a segment of each litre of petrol purchased goes towards maintanance of roads, this is required(Simple economics). That segment covers all road maintanance and is a simple and sufficient model, the more you drive, the more wear and tear you put on roads, the more you pay. By making us pay for toll roads on public roads under the claim that this is to keep up the infrastructure we are being charged double for the same service. Being charged double for any service goes under many names, bad economics, fraud, theft are a few names that spring to mind. I would not be charged double for watching a movie at the cinema, I would not pay double tax on my salary without claming it back, I wont accept a hotel charging me double rate for a single room, why should the ANC government be allowed to charge us double for a service because they cannot keep their own peoples hands out the public's coffers so that funds are managed correctly. And when there is no safe way to get from work the train station or to get to the station from home what then. Should we open ourselves more as targets of crime due to the ANC

      Maki - 2011-02-07 13:50

      @pete, use a taxi. I have been to New York and people feel zero zip nada to climb into a yellow cab. Middle class and wealthy South Africans need to parade their vehicles, By an expensive watch or an Armani suit, there we know you are rich, and take a taxi.

      Zolani - 2011-02-07 13:50

      The Government scores twice now, because all prices will go up, because of transport costs, So the Government gets 14% VAT of every increase. The Taxi fare will go up, so Salaries will have to go up, which means more strike action

      Beverley - 2011-02-07 14:31

      @maki - taxi's in SA are coffins on wheels - don't be so daft!!!

      cancer1983 - 2011-02-07 14:33

      The most amazing part is that they've pit up the tolls and are ready to start billing us even before they've completed work on the freeways!

      Maki - 2011-02-07 14:36

      @beverly, that is ridiculous. Millions of people use taxis daily.

      cancer1983 - 2011-02-07 14:47

      Maki wake up and smells the roses bud (no pun intended). A yellow cab versus a mini-bus taxi are 2 completely different things. Everyday there is a different mini bus related accident with injuries and even deaths! I won't use a form of transportation I deem to be dangerous. As for reading the paper and eating your breakfast I honestly don't know what form of transportation you're talking about. If implying using a safe cab equivalent then you might as well just drive. Using a safe cab would cost me about R700 a day.

      green_goblin - 2011-02-07 15:13

      @maki.. bru you must be one of the government people rolling out this stupid idea!!! firstly public transport HaHaHaHa...good one! Secondly yes the upgrades were desperately needed but this is the reason why we pay petrol levy's which are included in the petrol (In essence a focussed tax - the more you drive the more petrol you consume the more tax you pay) If the ANC had carried on maintaining the roads when they came into power instead of using the slush fund money to buy themselves new BMW's and Mercedes for the ANC cadre's we wouldn't need to be paying extra into an ADDITIONAL toll. Thirdly: I am a sales representative and spend 3/4 of my day on the road at a cost of 50 cents per KM being charged. Do you think I am going to pay for it. No Bud you the consumer of the end product will as we will all be putting our prices up on our products. So poor little Thabo, who doesn't even own a car, getting his pap from his local spaza shop will be paying for it. Now everybody raises their prices (plus the profit on that - this is africa nobody just raises the prices because the cost to them has gone up they add a bit of margin for safety in as well) and then everybody acts suprised when South Africa cannot keep our inflation down. Focussed tax..dream on Bud!!

      Joe_Massahar - 2011-02-07 15:42

      This is flippin madness!!! Where do all the taxes go? Where does all the fuel levy go. Where does all the carbon tax go? Where does the VAT charged on new cars go? It goes to the fat cats, that's where!!! These fat cats have lost touch with the average South African. Let's protest! Lets get the ANC out of power!!

      Other Justin - 2011-02-07 16:46

      @Maki, I for one will never use a taxi, they are coffins on wheels. I feel bad for people that are forced to use them because they have no alternative, but make no mistake, you take your life into your own hands traveling on those death traps.

      lean - 2011-02-07 17:52

      If you do not like something, start taking an example from ANC... - BLOW UP THE F****g TOLL ROADS...

      abriej - 2011-02-08 07:07

      highway robbery

      Mike - 2011-02-08 08:30

      @maki - I live in Midrand and work in the south of Jo'burg (Meredale)- how do you propose I get to and from work using public transport and also tell me how many hours i will spend a day and at what cost to myself - how early do i have to be at a bus stop in order to get to work in time at 08h00? You are a real CHOP!

      dylanswanie - 2011-02-08 09:02

      @ Beverly, I think he was talking about the charter taxi's

      Krush - 2011-02-08 09:06

      @Maki. You want me to get into a taxi? Every single day on the road I nearly lose my marbles at the way taxi drivers drive. They have no road sense, do not follow the rules of the road and half of them probably have no valid drivers licenses - and you want me to get into a taxi? Provide us with a sound, safe and professional transport system and by all means I'll do it.

      yolandie04 - 2011-02-08 09:13

      @maki hate to burst your bubble but there's a big difference between New Yorks yellow taxi's and the taxi's in South Africa

      za101 - 2011-02-22 16:33

      maki............i think u want south africa to make a gadaffi of zuma

  • jiamalunga - 2011-02-07 12:35

    It is not improved. I still have to sit on this highway everyday. And why do I have to pay for a road that has been constructed in the 70's? I urge everybody not to pay for the use of this road. They have put a new slab of tar on it and now it is a toll? It is time that we vote for the DA in Gauteng. That money is anyhow going to be wasted as all our other tax money!

      Joe_Massahar - 2011-02-07 15:48

      @ Maki Vote DA, abolish BEE, empower the poor by sorting out education and THEN e-tags will no longer be neccessary.

  • jiamalunga - 2011-02-07 12:37

    And why should I purchase "your" e-tag!

      le-jose - 2011-02-07 15:00

      as long as the ANC controls the poor, we are gonna purchase the e-tag!!!

      Maki - 2011-02-07 15:17

      le jose, Sort out Poverty, Fast track BEE, settle land claims - Increase the tax pool - and e-tags will no longer be neccessary. Peace man.

  • reed.coetzee - 2011-02-07 12:39

    And what about bikes? Should we be paying the same as our 4 wheeled close to a ton fellow road users? And as far as I recall bikes cannot have e-tags... Please explain.

      roamingwolf17 - 2011-02-07 13:26

      Bikes do have a discount if a recall, 33c/km

      SaintBruce - 2011-02-07 13:28

      You will need to carry the e-tag in your pocket. I cannot see the use of fixing an e-tag to a motorbike as it will just be ripped off by our wonderful law abiding public transport operators. I bet if that happens you will still get the bill to a motorbike user for the delivery truck that passed the toll! Honestly - who is going to check the vehicle and the e-tag matched? Unless you get a photo confirmation with each billing event, this is not going to happen. And yes, the cost should be linked to tare weight so a light Smart car pays less than a 3 ton Landrover Discovery or a Ford F250. Watch the side roads get massively congested with extra heavy trucks, mini busses, brick trucks and millions of cars. Gauteng productivity will be affected negatively. Maybe now we will get flexi-time working hours??? Watch the false number plate usage leap up.... Check you bills closely folks we are in for interesting times I believe.

      tyron007 - 2011-02-07 13:54

      @SaintBruce I am also worried about the false number plates and also all the cars with none

      mster13 - 2011-02-07 14:55

      http://tollcalc.ensightnetworks.com/

  • Matt - 2011-02-07 12:50

    As usual the Govt and it's floundering and hopeless departments will try and squeeze any money they can out of the already cash-strapped public. We already pay 1st World taxes and get nothing but robots out and potholes on our roads. Not to mention our useless Minister Sbu Ndebele (Transport Minister)who squandors our taxes on tarring a road to his private farm and who spent over R2 million rand on a colour booklet with 27 colour photographs of himself, congratulating his Departments?? a bunch of clowns run this country. Ineffectual, corrupt, unqualified and useless.

      gmck21 - 2011-02-08 08:35

      EISH you bloody agent! my picture she was beautiful

  • Murdoc - 2011-02-07 12:58

    Anything that collects revenue from our poor citizens runs smoothly in SA. I don’t suspect that there will be too much trouble sorting out the toll road system.

      Other Justin - 2011-02-07 16:50

      Very true, when it comes to getting something out of government, I have more chance of falling pregnant, but when they want your money, boy are they ever so efficient!

  • EchoTango - 2011-02-07 13:04

    As far as the ANC is concerned we are just their cash cows, and this is nothing more then their attempt to squeeze as much from us as possible. For those who had enough there is a petition that can be signed against the new tolls at http://www.tolhekpetisie.org.za

      branden.hart - 2011-02-07 13:08

      When has an online petition ever worked??

      whitepig - 2011-02-07 13:31

      you are wasting your time, and everybody else's!

      Other Justin - 2011-02-07 16:52

      @branden and @whitepig. It is exactly this mentality that allowes them to get away with anything. We all need to stand together. Please guys, we NEED to stand together. Why not sign the petition, it is better than just whining about problems, we need to start DOING.

  • branden.hart - 2011-02-07 13:05

    Stop the whinging and whining - Stand up for yourselves - MASS Action is the only way to go. Boycott the Hiways (put a dent in the budgeted R300m per month they expect). Take off your number plates, only use the back routes - Bring the WHOLE of Gauteng to a standstill. Create CHAOS!

      Thor - 2011-02-07 13:19

      I Agree.... I WILL NOT PAY...This is africa... talking does not help... order does not help... you have to play dirty like the government who oppreses us.

      nasheenar - 2011-02-07 13:30

      Seems to be the only way things get done is when the people unite and cause mayhem.

      Dave - 2011-02-07 13:35

      Dave - 3 hours ago Report comment Ok everyone...please follow this link.... http://www.speed-cameradetector.com/Photo_Blocker_Spray.php Did I post this????? Never, promise it wasnt me

      Viparo - 2011-02-07 13:47

      Dave, I'm afraid that product and ones like it are absolutely useless. Even with the picture being taken in the middle of the night with the camera's flash on full blast, the number plate is still readable. Trust me, wasted my money on two cans of the shite.

      Xavier - 2011-02-07 14:04

      reflected back, now do the same but at an angle and see the difference. Rather go and use something like... uhm, I don't think I'm allowed to post it, darnit.

      Xavier - 2011-02-07 14:19

      @Dave...ok sorry something weird happend to my post, but here I go again Dave, do your really think this stuff works...lol...you are so gullible and make only people rich who have taken you for a fool. from a photographers perspective. lets say this stuff does reflect light, which I actually doubt. but in anycase. the problem is for light/flash to be reflected back to the camera, the camera must be directly behind the vehicle which is impossible, speed cameras take the photo of your car at an angle, and thus the light from the flash is reflected away from the camera still capturing your license plate number. test it for yourself. take your camera and take a photo of yourself directly in the mirror, the light of the flash will be reflected back at you, and you will hardly see yourself, now take the same photo but at an angle, and you will have no problem seeing yourself in the mirror. or even better go and drive at 200km/h through the speed cameras and see if you get a ticket. btw, my neighbor had the plastic thingy put onto his license plate number, and swore high and low that it works, even after I took photos and shown him it doesn't, and after 3 months he had taken it off, when I asked why he had 7 tickets to the value of R5700....oops

      Xavier - 2011-02-07 14:22

      well, on the other hand, maybe you are an agent for this stuff and want to take people for fools to make some easy money out of them

      Mike - 2011-02-07 14:22

      Ok everyone...please follow this link.... http://www.speed-cameradetector.com/Photo_Blocker_Spray.php Did I post this????? Never, promise it wasnt me IT DOES NOT WORK... THE CAMERAS ARE ADVANCED THAT THEY CAN ZOOM UP TO YOUR LICENSE DISK..

      Viparo - 2011-02-07 15:19

      @Mike "IT DOES NOT WORK... THE CAMERAS ARE ADVANCED THAT THEY CAN ZOOM UP TO YOUR LICENSE DISK.." The cameras can zoom up to your license disc? Are you serious? So, the camera is so responsive, it detects your speed, detects where your license disc is placed, then manages to zoom into it as well? All at 120 km/h? All in a fraction of a second? Come on dude.

      Viparo - 2011-02-07 15:21

      @Mike "IT DOES NOT WORK... THE CAMERAS ARE ADVANCED THAT THEY CAN ZOOM UP TO YOUR LICENSE DISK.." The cameras can zoom up to your license disc? Are you serious? So, the camera is so responsive, it detects your speed, detects where your license disc is placed, then manages to zoom into it as well? All at 120 km/h? All in a fraction of a second? Come on dude.

  • TheWasp - 2011-02-07 13:05

    How long before the Taxi's industry strikes about this shocking new Toll system - Just a matter of time? This time it's taxing us right up the ass, zero vaseline!!! Can't see it ever working without fraud creeping in somewhere down the line...

      Kryvirjou@24.com - 2011-02-07 13:24

      TAXI's will be exempt from this Toll.....or will recieve a big concession...

      Boychild - 2011-02-07 14:35

      Taxi's as public transport providers if correctly registered will aqualify for 50% discount, and all other discounts except for the Frequent User Discount. Hehehehe All taxis except for the Recapitilisation 35 seaters will be deemed to be Light Vehicles So...... Toll(40cents) - (25% for e-Tag + 50% Public Transport + 10% Period Discounts) = 6 cents per kilometer mmmmmmmm does this figure not sound familiar???????

      Ares - 2011-02-08 08:35

      IF the taxi's do strike, for the first time I will stand with them on this one.

  • OhLaurdy - 2011-02-07 13:05

    This is by far the best reason I can find to vote DA for Gauteng!!!!

      Maki - 2011-02-07 13:14

      DA can build roads for free?

      customdesign - 2011-02-07 13:32

      @maki No, but the DA can budget so that the money will not have to come out of our pockets- look how many ANC municipalities are bankrupt due to negligence and misappropriation of funds- it's terrible

      Sedick - 2011-02-07 13:32

      @ Maki. No they can't, but they will manage our money better - see audit reports on WC vs the rest. And less corrupt than the ANC.....but then again, ANC card holders get a entrance to heaven for free?......

      watalife - 2011-02-07 13:34

      @ Maki lets see now, those concete lanes were installed in the late 80's by the White NP goverment.Then along came the ANC govamunt and decided to place TAR and add 1 lane (in most cases) and charge you and everybody else money. The ANC will not learn they cant get your electricity bills sorted out nor impliment NATIS correctly now they want to take on an even bigger project? Good luck and remember to collect you green card all the way to heaven. Thank God i dont live in gauteng anymore.

      whitepig - 2011-02-07 13:34

      really, you sound so confident that da will not do as anc is doing. you forget da is an opposition party ansd indeed they will try and oppose anything and everything that anc does, and that doesn't necessarily mean that da is clean or perfect! Catch a wake up OOOOOhLaurdy!!!

      Maki - 2011-02-07 13:36

      Interesting point, however there is a lot of money being spent to develop rural areas that have historically been neglected by government. Vast swathes of $ have gone to building infrastructure in places like northern Natal , Limpopo and Mpumalanga, that quite Frankly had nothing. As a result of devoloping previously neglected areas, areas that were industrialised have been ovelooked. Now the focus is on trying to keep whats good , up to standard, while at the same time fixing the not so good. Fact is Joburgs growth is immense and government infrastructure has occured at a slower rate than private development. Upping Taxes is the only option. As for your last line, I am far from a dumb ass :) Peace man - Maki

      Chicita - 2011-02-07 13:49

      No the DA won't build roads for free Maki. But instead, they will use taxes that are already paid to build the needed roads. They will have some foresight and actually improve things before they get to a point of no return. Where are my taxes going? I can't go to a government hospital or drive around without sitting in traffic because of broken robots yet now I must pay over R1000 a month just to get to work?

      Maki - 2011-02-07 13:54

      Chicita, If the DA had such insight where is the Highways in Cape Town. You cannot argue that CT does not need them? In fact I remember that CT / DA were planning to add 50c to every litre of petrol to pay for infrastructure. Same thing ye? No its not, because poor people would have to pay more for petrol, even though they live in Mossel Bay and See CT once every three years.

      Mr.Glum - 2011-02-07 14:29

      @Maki. "DA can build roads for free?" No, but I bet they can manage it better.

      Other Justin - 2011-02-07 16:59

      @Makie - No probably not (although, you never know). With a DA government, there would probably be better management of finances and IF a toll was still required to pay for the project, the cost would have been minor, not the absolute daylight robery that will be going on from June.

      Other Justin - 2011-02-07 17:05

      The tolling in Gauteng is getting out of hand, if this money ends up paying for the roads instead of just being pocketed by the corruption engine that is the ANC, I will be impressed.

      Ares - 2011-02-08 08:38

      @whitepig Your very nickname is racial... maybe we should start changing ours to the black "K" word... or even the BB word.... that one was used alot... google it... I dare you.

      Nari - 2011-02-22 17:03

      Yes!!! now you talking we must change the government as soon as possible otherwise we will be burried alive, DA will also fix the foreigner issue not mentioning crime

  • cmr.insurance - 2011-02-07 13:06

    Now every thing goes up to pay for increase in expences for transport, My personal expences excluding seeing clients another 50Km a day is already at R865 pm extra get worse when all items get more expensive across the board. could loose out another R1000pm adding close to r2000 pm extra do not have it and how many families do? its going to kill the man on the street typical of Goverment. let the fat cats die and power to the peolpe.

  • CofiDrinka - 2011-02-07 13:06

    I hope everyone in the Gauteng area, let you be Black, White, Pink Purple Orange Yellow it does not matter. I hope that this opens your eyes to what the Government is doing to your pocket, and the gorvernment is ANC run. I cant blame them completely as this was brought in from a White guy that thinks he is making things fair. Let us all stand against this type of fee as this will make people bankrupt, and the cost of living will go up as well quite drastically.

  • mdu - 2011-02-07 13:08

    Did this guy from DA ever compliment or appreciate anything that the government is doing.They are forever have negetive things say esp when its an innitiative of the ANC.They need to wake up and focus on the things that unite us,and stop focusing on what the ANC cant do at the end of the day we are doing something and eventually one day we will accomplish almost everything that is set before us.

      Maki - 2011-02-07 13:14

      Agreed. Those highways cost a fortune and need to be paid for. Pay as you go makes sense. The DA thinks that being the opposition means opposing everything. Surely even they must concede that the Highways are a good idea... or were they never stuck on the M1 north after work?

      tilovonbrandis - 2011-02-07 13:20

      What has the ANC done that make my life as a white person that much better. I was really glad when they stopped apartheid, only to implement a different system of racism, namely BEE. Other than that, all they have done is implement these hoity toity ideas to obtain all my money without improving my life and probably 80% of tax-payers will agree. So, yes, I will say something until things are sorted. The government is supposed to work for us citizens and if they are not doing their job, i will complain.

      Kryvirjou@24.com - 2011-02-07 13:20

      Hey mdo......you probably ride a bicycle which is not allowed on the Free-way......reason you content with the costs.....chop

      Rev. H-Cubed - 2011-02-07 13:24

      If a person does their job, no compliment is necessary, because that is what is expected. If a person fails at their job, criticism is necessary. When a person exceeds expectation, and does more than their job, then there will be compliments. It works this way for everybody, and despite what the ANC may believe, they are no better than anybody else, and so are treated the same way as everybody else. If the ANC desires appreciation, let them deliver an unqualified audit of their expenditure, then they will be appreciated. Until then, it is the duty of the opposition to remind them of their failure. Democracy demands no less.

      AJ - 2011-02-07 13:25

      @Maki - you'll still be stuck on the M1 north after work. Only difference is you'll pay to be stuck now.

      AndrewM39@24.com - 2011-02-07 13:30

      This has nothing to do with politics, but the pockets of the public. Given the fact that JHB council accounts are in a mess how are accounts for toll roads going to be handled with efficiency with hundreds of vehicles using these roads on a daily basis. Therefore why should any compliments be paid.

      watalife - 2011-02-07 13:36

      i bet your bottom dollar they would if there was anything too compliment about.

      DW - 2011-02-07 13:57

      Opposition is not there to compliment the government - they are, by very nature, opposition. I cannot see how these exhorbitant taxes should be comlimented. It is a very high tax to fix something which they have left to fall apart. The highways cost a fortune, but what do they do with the road levies (which have been drastically increased since they took power)? The very fact that so many people use this freeway means that they already contribute their pro-rata % to the road levies, and so are actually already paying as they go. But their money gets used to upgrade other roads elsewhere and now they must pay further taxes. Ludicrous

      DeonL - 2011-02-07 14:38

      Well done ANC you are doing a great job in fixing accounts of JHB municipality!! It will only take a few years more...

      wyrddoke - 2011-02-07 16:53

      The Highways are already paid for

      Other Justin - 2011-02-07 17:11

      @mdu and @Maki, that is nonsense. When anyone in the country regardless of political affiliation does something well, you will find that almost all South Africans from many different political backgrounds will compliment and be happy. Unfortunately, the ANC has a terrible track record, they are implicated in so much corruption and out right crime, that it is hard to seee any good that they do. When something works for you only 20% of the time (and I am being generous), you will still most probably throw that thing away. Am I right or am I right?

      Other Justin - 2011-02-07 17:13

      @AndrewM39@24.com - I agree, but try THOUSANDS of cars a day, not hundreds......

  • ChrisG - 2011-02-07 13:12

    We don't have that problem in Cape Town, but then guess who's in charge down here...

      Maki - 2011-02-07 13:17

      Hehe ..ever tried driving from table view to Cape Town in the morning with zero highway? The CT traffic is one big chaotic mess in my opinion. Guess who is responsible ? Paeace man .

      OhLaurdy - 2011-02-07 13:33

      Maki, are you saying that if we pay toll, traffic will be better?

      Maki - 2011-02-07 13:41

      Ohlordy, I am saying that if we used public transport , traffic will be less. If however people insist on using private motor vehicles, then more roads inter alia more taxes are required. Use the bus dammit :)

      OhLaurdy - 2011-02-07 13:54

      Maki, I would love to use public transport.....if I can find it and then if it would not kill me. At home I used to take taxis but here I am really scared that I won't survive it, guys drive like loonatics....and can't take the Gautrain yet....and as far as I know there are no buses from Pta to Jhb....so I am paying while I have no other choice. I don't think you realise how many people are planning on quitting their jobs coz they won't be able to afford toll tax...even if the Gautrain starts operating between Pta and Jhb in June.... OhLaurdy U r hot...reminds me of highschool ; ) Peace b t journey!

      DeonL - 2011-02-07 14:42

      Yes Maki we would not mind taking public transport if it was safe. Even in Cape Town the Taxi drivers test your patients and religion! At least Cape Town does not have so much toll roads or potholes.

      mster13 - 2011-02-07 15:01

      @Maki, I would rather pay extra to drive my own "safe" car than risk my life in our public transport (namely Taxi's) we have at the moment. Who knows though, maybe when the Gautrain is completely up and running it could be a success... I really hope so...

  • rayjscott - 2011-02-07 13:15

    there are fuel levies for roads and the yearly licence disc is for the raods in our country. Besides the fuel price it will cost me an extra R2000 a month to get to work and back. how many more ways are the government going to make the man in the street pay.

      DeonL - 2011-02-07 14:44

      The worst is still to come next year NHI is bound to start, it can be up to 5% more deduction from your salary!

  • wtfxxbob - 2011-02-07 13:16

    Such BS. We pay taxes and then get taxed on roads, etc. How about stop taxing me and I will pay for ALL other services rendered by the gorvernment? Oh wait... they dont provide much at all

  • shylady777 - 2011-02-07 13:18

    someone said to me today that they cannot wait for the toll fees to come into play...he reckons that the highways will be so quiet he won't mind paying the fee to drive on an open highway....while that sounds like a good thing you have to spare a thought to those living in the suburbs close to the highways....their roads are going to go for a ball of poo...all the cars using backroads to get where they want to get....the kids arriving late for schools because they can't get through because of all the traffic.....endless accidents.....children not being able to ride their bicycles in the streets anymore because now it is going to be so busy.....i really don't think this was thought through properly...then again, is anything our government done actually thought through. It is too late though because all the construction has already happened so matter what we say or do nothing is going to change the fact that we are all basically broke come June 2011..

      semaj - 2011-02-07 13:45

      It was thought through properly, "who gives a stuff if the middle-class suburbs are now going to be ravaged by traffic? There is no money to upgrade suburban roads ruined by heavy transport".

  • Bla Bla - 2011-02-07 13:19

    I urge, all the Gauteng road users not to pay, they didn’t consult us what so ever. We are heavily taxed on fuel to maintain the roads as well for the road accident fund. If you (ANC) can’t manage these funs, why must we suffer ?

  • Zolani - 2011-02-07 13:19

    Dham to Visit the Mother im law on a sunday, is only R32.00 off peak return, I thought it would be like R200.00 so I had a good excuse not to go often http://tollcalc.ensightnetworks.com/

      Other Justin - 2011-02-07 17:17

      LOL!!

  • rikhogrande - 2011-02-07 13:22

    This is just some messed up bulls**t

  • nasheenar - 2011-02-07 13:23

    Yet another scheme to steal from the South African people. DONT SUPPORT THIS RUBBISH.Not sure if anyone else has come accross this, but on two seperate issues I have had a Nigerian person tell me to F...Off its their country. SO we must just foot the bills and everyone else is entitled to live in this country. We even have foreigners telling us to F..Off. What a cheek!

  • Parko - 2011-02-07 13:23

    THESE TOLLS ARE NON-DEMOCRATIC !!!! You see, in a democracy , the average man has the right to use a public road to go earn his daily bread. Now , these expensive to use roads become accessible only to the rich. Therefore slapping expensive tolls on public roads goes AGAINST THE PRINCIPLES OF DEMOCRACY !!!

  • Tembo - 2011-02-07 13:27

    Where is SANRALS offices ? We should burn them down. This is the worst thing I have heard

      Other Justin - 2011-02-07 17:18

      I am with you!

  • fraudsters - 2011-02-07 13:29

    Dnt worry taxi drivers will vandalised these cameras even before they go live

  • tau.leoster - 2011-02-07 13:31

    For all those of you who have voted for the ANC...Congratulations!! You have succeeded in making this one of the worst countries to live in, in the world. The only comfort I have in that regard, is that you will suffer the same consequences is I will...without you realising that you've done it to yourself. Idiots!!!! The ANC is brining this country down, faster than Robert Mugabe could ever wish to do with Zimbabwe. Unfortunately, the masses who vote for the ANC, are way too UNEDUCATED to realise what effects an INCOMPETENT and CORRUPT government has on a country. They don't understand that one of the reasons why they sit without jobs, is because our government is milking those who can afford to employ and then, the very ANC throws huge parties and buys expensive houses and cars, with the money, that could otherwise have been spent on paying someone a salary. We are already paying for road upkeep, maintenance and services from all the TAX that we are paying. But those funds go straight to the ANC government's pockets. Then they implement such a thing as this new Toll Structure, to compensate for the TAX that they have put in their pockets. If only a leader will arise among the masses, that could educate tham in the truth about the government they vote for. Maybe then they would wake up and vote for a party who will lift South Africa from the mudpit it's currently stuck in. Wake up masses...before it's too late!!! .

  • clint51585 - 2011-02-07 13:40

    These roads have been in existance for years even before the ANC took power so why should we have to pay for them now, in the white ruled days there was no tolls to maintain the roads and these roads where well maintained. The ANC government has no money as these big wigs dont have the people at heart they only there to get rich quick and thats a fact, they all corrupt with handing tenders to friends etc. So what the ANC is saying is we need more money for our fat cats. I suggest all non ANC members do not use the toll rolls and it should be law that ANC members/supporters are forced to use the tolls cos they voted these low IQ individuals into power and thus should have to pay for their stupidity. Now lets see the ANC members support this...

  • mmmonster46 - 2011-02-07 13:47

    I am just waiting for the day that all South africans will stand together against all of this robberies. Can we as the public keep on paying for all this. Open your eyes guys, all the major retailers have distribution cenres in this area. Woolworths,Pick 'n Pay, Massmart, Shoprite/Checkers and Spar. Just think what an impact this will have on prices in our stores. Then all retailers will be investigated about high prices again. Can we afford to keep on paying? What about the people already struggling to meet budget at the end of the month. Why didnt we rather invest in a decent public transport system? Now somebody will bring up the Gautrain again. Well i still need to get to the station and to my workplace mate. Maybe the government wont make so much money out of it, but at least they could have stimulated the economy by putting money in peoples pockets to spend, and therefore creating jobs. I did travel overseas and wouldnt mind to use public transport if its efficient as for example in London or New York. WHY DO WE NEED TO KEEP ON PAYING??????????

  • mdu - 2011-02-07 13:49

    @tilovonbrandis,chief the issue of BEE is not about racism or whatever way you can put,its about the balancing of certain ethnics groups who were previously disadvantage in order for them to have a fair share in the wealth of this country,and to uplift the spirit of the freedom charter that everyone shall benefit to the wealth of this nation.So my leader is not about the fact that the government is closing doors for is about making the fact that every ethnic group is giveng the opportunity bennefit in every aspect of the economy and that there is a proper balance of everyone in all the aspect of government and private sector

      Maki - 2011-02-07 13:58

      Nicely sad bru. There are a few people that believe BEE is a punishment to white folk. It is in fact just a neccessary correction that needs to happen , one way or another. I wish they would take the word black out of it , cause that may mislead one or two people intoi thinking reverse racism. Call it Essential Correction of Apartheid policies...ECAP. That should shut the one or two complainers up.

      Maki - 2011-02-07 16:24

      Typical, cant win the argument so it resorts to dumb black guy defence. Revise your opinion mate, Old SA is gone and it wont be coming back - ever. Peace bro. Maki flatnose Matswiki - LLB (Flatnose with a degree nogal :) - must scare you...or wait this flatnose must have bought his or stolen it ....sigh.....

      Other Justin - 2011-02-07 17:28

      Ya, whatever, wrap it in pretty purple paper if you like or if it makes you feel better or eases your consience, but telling a person, sorry dude, you did not get this job, even though you were better qualified, because you are white is racism, there is no other way to sugar coat it, plain and simple. All the ANC is doing is taking apartheid policies and reversing them, instead of whites getting the jobs, now it is the blacks, indians and coloureds that are getting them.

      gmck21 - 2011-02-08 08:50

      @MAKI LLB hahah well done bro...... but AA etc is racist. Our constitution states a person shall not be discriminated against due to colour sex ethnicity etc.... but AA does discriminate. Hope your LLB will save you when the black masses start killing each other. LLB only means you will do another 3 year bridging course if you ever move due to us using roman dutch law. But still good degree dude

  • mots - 2011-02-07 13:50

    Just another way for the ruling predatory elite to fuel their extravagant lifestyles, thieving and funds miappropriation I was in at SARS the other day and "pleased" to see how efficient and organised it was, compard to other goverment departments. Sadly it has to be to keep up with the current rate of squandering

      hemant230778 - 2011-02-07 14:47

      The word "SARS" and "pleased" should never be used in the same sentence

  • Dr Filemon - 2011-02-07 13:57

    It is against the consumer act to calculate the price AFTER you have used/bought something. The price HAS to be diplayed BEFORE your usage. So DA is correct and this is illegal

  • TinyT - 2011-02-07 13:59

    I think that we should all refuse to pay. the fees are too high and the roads should be payed for from the taxes we already pay! We shouldn't have to pay for somebody elses mistake! And it is unfair that taxis and frequent users should pay less, they are causing more damage to the roads and hence should pay more to fix it. And it has taken SANRAL years to fix the roads at our cost so why would this improve anything? I refuse to pay! Who is with me?

      LindaS - 2011-02-07 15:07

      Show me a way and I will.

      TinyT - 2011-02-07 15:56

      I wish there was a simple way without breaking the law but I think mass non payment could do the trick. If your car is not registered they would have no way of invoicing you though! And I would love to see how they will catch the unlicenced drivers who don't pay tolls if they can't even stop unroadworthy vehicles, drunk drivers etc. So those breaking the law will once again come out on top!

      Mike - 2011-02-10 07:46

      it's easy cover all numbering that identifies your car, truck bike etc, if all the road users do it how are they going to stop us

  • Dave - 2011-02-07 14:01

    I'm still trying to figure out how the actual billing is going to work, if you dont buy a tag? Anyone know? Do you get a charge for each gantry you pass under, would they be consolidated for one one way trip? I cant see them opening "an account" for each vehicle to send one account at the end of the month? That would mean if you travel under 3 gantries one way, 6 then per day, 5 days, 4 weeks, thats 120 accounts, and dont even think about adding them together with one payment.....the threat is already to hand you over

      Other Justin - 2011-02-07 17:51

      I have heard mention that vehicles without e-tags, they are using number plate recognition. I think that they will probably send an account like you cell phone itemised billing, listing all of the tolls you passed and then a total at the end of what you owe. How they are going to manage this when they can't manage their existing billing I have no idea, but we'll have to see.

  • Cherry - 2011-02-07 14:01

    If these tolls are to pay back the R20 Billion and then for maintenance, are we going to have a price decrease after the capital is paid off (apparently 2 years)? I doubt it. It's just another tax for the ANC to steal from. Disgusting!!

  • briansmith702 - 2011-02-07 14:05

    Check it out it is probably owned by Chancellor House for the ANC coffers!!!

  • Madelane - 2011-02-07 14:05

    Oh but it makes you sound so terribly clever when you talk about it and set up committees to discuss it and waste taxpayers money......all it needs is a suit!

  • maud.botten - 2011-02-07 14:06

    One has to consider how this will impact the suburban roads and short-cuts. As is there are more potholes on these roads. A toll fee will force more commuters to take the short-cuts or suburban roads and as a result the costs for maintenance on these roads will escalate. Why do we pay license fees and taxes??

      Wonderboy - 2011-02-07 16:30

      The plan is for the suburban roads to become unusable and everybody will then be forced to buy the e tags and use the highway. It is called "law enforcement" Africa's way.

      Other Justin - 2011-02-07 17:52

      To support Zuma's small army of wives and children....

  • jiamalunga - 2011-02-07 14:06

    To Maki! The ANC has not done anything except to tax a road that was constructed 40 years ago. You believe the ANC has your interests at heart? They want to line their pockets that's all. Look at the state of the rest of the roads? They are falling apart.

      Maki - 2011-02-07 14:16

      The ANC has been very good to me , my wife and my baby, thanks. President Zuma has the interests of ALL South Africans at heart.

      Beverley - 2011-02-07 14:35

      My grandfather is turning in his grave!!!!

      tyron007 - 2011-02-07 14:38

      @Maki apparently not, lots of us are going to hell

      ruadrauflessa - 2011-02-07 14:51

      @ Maki: If he has the interests of the whole community at heart why don't we go back to equal opportunity employment. I see companies every day forced to take on employees who are underqualified to do the job. So what happens they have to take on 3 people where they only need 1. This means that the companies can't afford to pay you what you really deserve to get. Ontop of that they can't afford to expand their business and thus keep the economy growing at an acceptable rate. If the economy does not grow then people lose jobs. So by forcing a company to employ the incorrect person for a job you are in effect causing more jobs to go down the toilet. If they have the interests of everyone at heart then we would not be having this discussion right now. The roads would have been maintained as it always had been in the past. We would not have the need to pay extra tolls. So please open your eyes and smell the coffee.

      wyrddoke - 2011-02-07 17:01

      @maki.....roflmao

  • thrusha13 - 2011-02-07 14:08

    it is going to force people to utilize back roads and that will cause even more congestion! these roads will then require more attention due to the high volume traffic.

      ann.mattheyse - 2011-02-07 14:21

      If only there were always back roads to use. There should actually be n alternative route available when there is a toll road on the main route but very often the toll road is the only route. I also find it quite ironic that not only is toll fees a tax but we pay VAT on those toll fees too ie how does it make sense that we have to pay tax on a tax?

      jiamalunga - 2011-02-07 14:28

      Ann, a black hole comes to mind...

      DeonL - 2011-02-07 15:00

      It will be cheaper in the long run to drive on the toll roads as 1 pothole accident in 1 year will cost you many thousands in repairing your car.

  • jiamalunga - 2011-02-07 14:13

    http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=5747903627 http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=19461404248 you know what social media has done with Egypt.

      DeonL - 2011-02-07 15:02

      The only thing done in Egypt is that the Economy has been halted and it is costing them millions every day. Social Media is not the answer, different voting in elections should help.

  • Toze.Pina - 2011-02-07 14:27

    The DA reaction is far too poor. Calling the system "too complex to enforce" is ridiculous. What we expect from a serious opposition if to denounce this system as "unfair, outrageous, inflation-booster and an unconstitutional form of taxation". And by the way, we, the public, have the right to know how much Sanral has spent on the construction of the dozens of tolgate's structures alone, each one of them packed with technology and state of the art cameras and sensors? We want to know how the tender was executed and which company won it and executed it.

      Maki - 2011-02-07 14:33

      Thet are prone to poor response :) No if they want to be good opposition, they would come up with better ideas. Not just sit on their bums criticisng those who are trying to make a difference.

      jiamalunga - 2011-02-07 14:40

      That my friend is in the hands of ANC Cadres that the masses so blindly vote into power.

      Rev. H-Cubed - 2011-02-07 14:56

      Maki, the opposition does offer better ideas. Their idea is to use public funds for public benefit, as opposed to sucking the coffers dry for personal gain. Many of us think it is a good idea, and we are amazed that the ANC seems unwilling to give it a try.

      TinyT - 2011-02-07 16:03

      I agree! It's too late to say the system is too complex when it already nearly completed! We have the right to at least be heard before the system was put into place and all the money spent! I would also like to know how they can justify the exorbitant costs for the tolls when a trip to Polokwane on the N1 is not nearly as much but has much better roads?

      Mike - 2011-02-08 13:18

      @Maki - they not trying too hard and everything they touch turns to SH@T! You are one of those "there's none so blind as those who cannot see". If you don't understand then let me knpow and I'll paint you a picture!? Get it?

  • DeonL - 2011-02-07 14:30

    Someone will be getting super rich from these prices, a lot of others will be worse off than ever before.

  • ZACKIE - 2011-02-07 14:38

    next inline..we will have a stadium tax in each city from anc to pay for the world cup 2010 stadiums

  • Jan - 2011-02-07 14:43

    The ANC messed up the Transnet rail system and companies were forced to resort to road traffic. This put added pressure on the roads which already carried a heavy burden. All motorists pay a levy towards the maintenance of our roads. Where is that money? On what was it spend. Maki sin nie.

  • Incognito - 2011-02-07 14:44

    Notwithstanding the fact I regard this toll as completely BS.Does our past failures/experience of the eNatis and current billing mess in Gauteng, not just spell disaster for this system. I hate to sound like a prophet of doom, but I agree, the ANC should really take baby steps and learn from its past mistakes first. Only then we can move on to bigger things.Take care of the myriad "smaller things that affect people's lives" before adding more complications. I have been using public transport and find it sorely lacking and inconsistent with our Govt's vision of JHB as a world class city. Innercity Rea Vaya is already a White elephant? How did that happen? With all the salary cuts, zero annual increases, rising fuel and food prices- we are truly flirting with public dissent in SA. Govt needs to wake up and do something drastic to change people's perceptions. Look what's happening in the Arab regions. Anything's possible if you push people too far. I sympathise with all you motorists. Maybe now's the time to start looking again at creating driving pools. Apart from savings, there's also safety in numbers. Aluta Continua!!

  • pieter.gertenbach - 2011-02-07 14:45

    Please look at the following links: http://www.sanral.co.za/content/1831_Toll_TARIFS_Discount.pdf and http://tollcalc.ensightnetworks.com/

  • cj.venter - 2011-02-07 14:48

    i wonder how many bicycles i can get if i trade in my car? hehe

  • Denise - 2011-02-07 14:55

    This is from my husband. As a contractor, I wonder how I will manage to service clients all over Gauteng, whilst carting all my equipment with me in a trailer behind my pickup, without having to hike my charges and price myself out of the market? I am sure that I am not alone here. I do pay a hefty wad of my income to the receiver of revenue, I also pay Vat and regional services levies for the assistants I employ. Like all of us road users, I will also continue to pay for my fuel. The noose is getting so tight, I wonder how much longer I will continue to support my family and those of my employees,by running my small business? I do not use any single section of the highway on a daily basis and can travel anywhere on any day, depending on my clients needs. On a normal day, I can travel 150km in the course of my job. The charges invisaged are not realistic, even if I get some sort of re-bate. Here comes more paperwork and more time wasted on admin.

  • mster13 - 2011-02-07 14:56

    Here you can work out the cost you'll be paying: http://tollcalc.ensightnetworks.com/

  • green_goblin - 2011-02-07 14:58

    I want to know if we will also be tolled by the existing toll booths on the gauteng highway.. Double tolls for the same road?

      Mike - 2011-02-08 08:51

      There's a gantree up just before the toll gate at Rand airport on the Springs highway - hope this ansers your question!

  • kosheek.maharaj - 2011-02-07 14:59

    I think Gauteng Drivers need to go on Strike and sort this matter we has consumers are taken for granted, education comes to a standstill, what are the trade unions doing about this, we msut not be taken for granted