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Gautrain and e-tolling 'for the rich'

2012-05-02 08:14

Johannesburg - The Gautrain and the e-toll system in Gauteng do not help the transport problems of the country’s workers or the poor, SA Communist Party general secretary Blade Nzimande said on Tuesday.

Speaking at a Free State Workers Day rally, Nzimande said these projects were essentially directed at making profits at public expense.

“Billions were spent to benefit the rich. The Gautrain does not go into the townships of Gauteng… or Botshabelo for that matter.”

The SACP leader urged the government to never again invest in any project if it would not benefit the poor.

Nzimande said any development should first stand up against the country’s key developmental priorities such as jobs and removing inequality and poverty.

Guard against corruption

He also urged the worker unions to guard against corruption within the leadership of unions.

Nzimande said there were businesses in the country that sought to corrupt worker leaders in order to grab workers' money, worth billions.

The SACP leader also touched on the media and its role in the debate of the leaderships issues of the tripartite alliance.

Nzimande said the media had selected some leaders and made them heroes which in turn attacked the alliance parties.

He said the false debate on the ANC’s leadership issues in the media was aimed at weakening and dividing the alliance.

Comments
  • Boy Bana - 2012-05-02 08:29

    very rich comments coming from blade. maybe u should practice what u preach and give up the fancy lifestyle that is given to you by the goverment first. practice what u preach mr nzimande

      jody.beggs - 2012-05-02 08:57

      Must be near erection time... Damn the man.

      Micah - 2012-05-02 09:16

      Haha Blade the day walker telling camp fire stories again. Try telling us something we don't know day walker like how you and your mates are benefiting from all of these projects... now that is a news story I want to read !

      Mattewis - 2012-05-02 11:02

      @jody It's always "erection time" in the ANC! The members of Zuma's harem can likely testify to that fact as well!

      graham.plessis - 2012-05-02 13:39

      Jeremy Cronin, Blade's right hand man in the SACP is deputy transport minister. He had input into the E-toll system ANC Gautrain!!!! How can SACP now criticize it! Gautrain is one of the best bits of infrastructure introduced to SA - don't shoot it Blade!

      Press - 2012-05-02 14:15

      Everyone seems to ignore the fact that Gauteng taxpayers (and them alone)are already paying the Gautrain operators every year to keep the Gautrain afloat. It was always part of the plan to toll highways to force more people onto the Gautrain to lessen its dependence on taxpayer bailouts and to make this insanely expensive system work. Bit rich of the governing party to now profess to having found moral ground to oppose the e-tolling system - Blade is spouting rubbish - its him, his party, the former National Party joiners and limelight seekers like Jack vd Merwe and Sam Shilowa who were responsible for this mess, and them alone . .

      Press - 2012-05-02 14:23

      . . . and maybe Jeremy Cronin should investigate if the cheapest tender to build the Gautrain has indeed been chosen by former "comrades" or if there are some skeletons rattling around in the Gautrain cupboard . . c'mon ANC clean the air for us on this one . .

  • zipho500 - 2012-05-02 08:30

    Blade stop it already! opportunist pig! Just a month ago u were supporting the tolls and now that its being proven that your fellow comrades might have been trying to stuff up the road users u changing your tune!we know where u belong fake communist!

      Andrew - 2012-05-02 09:19

      Lying is built into Blade's blood.

      colin.dovey - 2012-05-02 09:53

      Yup - you should see him at a local hotel smoking CHURCHILL cigars, and sitting under a portrait of CHURCHILL......typical communist

      James - 2012-05-02 11:22

      This sums Blade up. w w w.youtube.com/watch?v=095pupIkaeE

      Jacques - 2012-05-02 13:36

      MMMM Blade buddy old pell of the so called rich was consulted they would have never agreed to the toll or the Guartrain as it makes no sense. Rephrase and please state it only benefited ANC cadres as this is the actual description you are looking for. Ho the hell is the Guatrain and E tolls realy benefiting the rich can you please expand on that as they are the ones taxed for it so it is infact not a gain but a loss. OK blade 101 accounting R10 000 per month minus R500 gives you R9500 not R10500

  • Loo - 2012-05-02 08:32

    NOW they suddenly realize it ?????!!!!!! Could have asked me years ago. Such insight !!???

  • Mike - 2012-05-02 08:37

    lets take all the comments about 'Nzimande said any development should first stand up against the country’s key developmental priorities such as jobs and removing inequality and poverty' and think about street name changes etc, WHAT THE HELL HAVE WE BEEN SAYING ALL THIS TIME? but of course government doesnt think as far as their pockets.

  • cobusvanstaden0506 - 2012-05-02 08:38

    I think this man smoke weed...

      jody.beggs - 2012-05-02 08:58

      And whats wrong with weed? I think he's smoking his socks...

  • Sedzani.Mulovhedzi - 2012-05-02 08:46

    I dnt get this politicians who pretend to talk for the poor.they tell the ppl crap cause they hv nthing else to say n wana b praised.

  • Koos - 2012-05-02 08:46

    This guy is quite clever, but slow.

  • Nosiphom - 2012-05-02 08:47

    Leave cabinet. We were told e-tolls were a cabinet decision. If you want to be in opposition to government, get out and piss in. You are sickening, opportunist, having it both ways - sies!!!

      Pierre - 2012-06-02 14:28

      You mean "taking it both ways"?

  • Suprise - 2012-05-02 08:51

    VIVA!!!!!

  • Henry - 2012-05-02 08:52

    Gautrain, from all angles, 1 can see that it was designed to benefit the privilleged few. The nation has at the moment, the problem of rising fuel costs. 1 wil never hear anybody saying that the commnunity will use Gautrain as an alternative to private commuting (cars, bikes etc.)\r\ne-tolling on the other hand is much like a vulture that is there, preying of the flesh of both rich and poor. I fully condemn these projects. I support the fight against e-tolling. Our government really has to be accountable for the poor masses of this country.

      Nosiphom - 2012-05-02 09:09

      And what about the non-poor taxpayers ? Should the government not be accountable to us as well? After all it our our money that is redistributed to the poor, so surely we should come first ?

      billyboy6 - 2012-05-02 10:34

      Henry, just go to any Gautrain station and see the cars in the car-park, those are the people who have already found commuting by train preferable to using their cars. Now if they can sort out the buses and routes, and perhaps put some contraflow bus lanes in place the train will be even more utilized by those with and without cars. And of course we still await the integrated public transport systems promised

  • ntsiki.mdeni - 2012-05-02 08:52

    Why does the article refer to him as SACP leader? Isn't he Minister of Higher Education..therefore being part of the govt that doesn't give a sh*t about poor people?? Bloody hypocrite!!

  • Nosiphom - 2012-05-02 09:07

    And by the way you opportunist, a trip between Johannesburg and Tshwane on the Gautrain (whenever the Rosebank - Park Station leg will be open) will cost as much if not less than a taxi!

  • Stephen - 2012-05-02 09:13

    Pay E-Toll, get used to eating Epol.

      Jay - 2012-05-02 10:34

      Hi Stephen, I do not have a problem with Blade, as he only has 2 brain cells - both RED.... But I do have a problem with the IDIOT that employs him. I Rest My Case

  • louis.langenhoven - 2012-05-02 09:14

    old Blade, it seems to me you are not the sharpest blade in the toolbox...do you only realise now that the Gautrein doesn't come to Botshabelo? You and your cronies were trying to make a quick buck to sponsor your lavish lifestyles and now the comrades are turning against you. Lets pray they will see through your BS. BTW Werent you the minister for higher education last time I heard. Anything on that ole friend or is it merely coincidence that you talk about money all the time?

      Jay - 2012-05-02 10:20

      Blade, You were a Cabinet Minister or a Tri-Partide Cronie of the ANC when the Gautrain & e Tolling was on their agenda and being implemented. WHY THEN DID YOU NOT OPEN YOUR MOUTH? DID YOU VOICE YOUR OPINION THEN? BTW ARE YOU NOT LIVING A "RICH LIFESTYLE" SINCE THEN? Fancy BMWs etc? IS YOUR SPOUSE NOT ENJOYING HER R1.4 MILLION ODD SEVERANCE PAY FROM THE USELESS INEPT SABC? HAVE YOU AND YOUR WIFE NEVER USED THE GAUTRAIN? Absolute HYPOCRACY from a "People Fighter". Get your A.. into Gear, and sort out your Ministerial Portfolio first. Or are you awaiting instructions from the COMMIES in CUBA? I REST MY CASE......

  • esethu3 - 2012-05-02 09:16

    BLADE is on Point here; we all have to agree to that. PEOPLE HERE ON News24 need to stop commenting aiming to get as many LIKES as possible. Listen and Read what this guy is saying; isnt it all what we want? Then where are the insults going.. People stop acting like brats maan yeerr

      Nosiphom - 2012-05-02 09:56

      I hate hypocrites. If he were on point he would be out of government. He wants to have it both ways- benefit from being in cabinet and pretend to speak for the poor whilst on a podium as the SG of the SACP!

      Nosiphom - 2012-05-02 10:01

      Zweli for example, refused to be deployed to government precisely because he does not want his position compromised. For that i respect him. He does not benefit from bluelight convoys and he can critisise the government

  • Fran - 2012-05-02 09:23

    This is so true Mr Nzimande.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-05-02 12:11

      The Gautrain Train's aim was to reduce motors on the highway. With all these bus driver's issues it seams some people lost interest. The building of it was not to concentrate on rich, but on the areas who they think uses the most cars on those roads. Yes, those people will be better off due to having cars, but it was purely aimed on vehicle numbers and it is fair to say that those people contribute the most to build these type of projects due to their tax contribution via fuel levy or taxes. What bowls me out is the fact that they were not interested to accept a person/company plans to build a cheap rail system out of Soweto to Jhb. Where was he than? Why did he not opened his mouth? He/the gov. that he is part of denied the people, who need it most, a cheaper and safer way of transport.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-05-02 12:25

      http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa5327/is_333/ai_n29363023/ It could have work if they done it properly and not the way it was done. Maybe they did not included all "potential shareholders"

  • hlongwanech - 2012-05-02 09:31

    the e-tolling system was planned by somebody who was far from from those who agreed on it knew that he will benefit .

  • ludlowdj - 2012-05-02 09:41

    even though he is 100% correct that the Gautrain project is definitely a rich mans toy, which is priced above what the average man can afford to pay, and yes the tolling system is of course another money making racket. Blade, of course avoids any comments about the ANC continued and ongoing failure as a governing party or the slippery slope to destruction they have placed the country on. But then again admitting that their "partner" is failing would also put the communist leanings and mafioso management style of the Unions themselves into question.

      Harry - 2012-05-02 10:25

      Becoz he doesn't agree that it is a bad party for him. He just wants to influence how the tax is spent, to claim credibility for his dead-beat left-behind constitutency. The tax payers don't think its a good party, but they are easily distracted with sport and braai.

  • Robert - 2012-05-02 09:41

    The Gautrain bridges the gap in public transport. As a middle class citizen you would not catch me near a metro rail train for fear of being robbed. If you were the government would you let an international tourist ride on one of those yellow P.O.S trains? As for E-Tolling it has been proven that there was enough money to improve our infrastructure even without E-Toll after the world cup. The ANC squandered it and now we have to suffer.

      colin.dovey - 2012-05-02 10:00

      yes - going on the Metro Rail service is scary....I would ask any of my female family to use it.

  • Jacques - 2012-05-02 09:44

    Well, I won't say I'm rich, but the 40-odd bucks it will cost me to go to Centurion from Rosebank sure beats the hell out of paying petrol all the way there. If it will help me to watch a game of cricket, surely it's of great help to the economy in general? Which in turn is a boost for the poor? But oh, wait- growing the economy is for the imperialist Westerners. Duh. We'll just continue stealing the treasury empty and toll the shrinking middle-class to death to pay for our screwups!

  • Ebon - 2012-05-02 09:52

    Considering that the "rich" (as Blade puts it) pay the lion's share of the tax in this country, is it not fair that we (I don't consider myself rich, but I will go Blade's warped definition of the word) get to see some of the benefit thereof? I am personally sick and tired of most of my hard-earned income to support the "poor" when the "poor" never actually do anything positive to improve their situation. I am sorry to have to be so blunt about it, but the real reason why poor people remain poor has very little to do with the "rich". It has to do with having too many children. The key to breaking the poverty cycle lies in education. Give a child a *good* education and they will prosper. Give them a *poor* education and they will always be poor (and simply have lots more kids). It is pretty clear that government is not providing a good education to most South Africans, and a very large part of the reason for this is that the education system (and it's budget funded by 5% of the population) is simply overwhelmed by the number of children it needs to educate. And it is the average unionised citizen who is most guilty of having children and expecting the state (and the "rich") to take responsibility for ensuring their kids get a good education. Seriously Blade, get your head out of the sand. Tell your lemming followers to start taking responsibility for their own kids' education, and then maybe we'll start to see a change in the lot of the "poor".

  • Ina - 2012-05-02 09:55

    Living on the East Rand the Gautrain might as well not exist, and is as useless to us as the e-tolls are unaffordable.

  • Greg - 2012-05-02 10:00

    Blade you dumb chop, why do wait until now to make a statement like this. Open you normally big mouth when it counts, don't try score points now you freeloader.

  • Jay - 2012-05-02 10:04

    Blade, You were a Cabinet Minister or a Tri-Partide Cronie of the ANC when the Gautrain & e Tolling was on their agenda and being implemented. WHY THEN DID YOU NOT OPEN YOUR MOUTH? DID YOU VOICE YOUR OPINION THEN? BTW ARE YOU NOT LIVING A "RICH LIFESTYLE" SINCE THEN? Fancy BMWs etc? IS YOUR SPOUSE NOT ENJOYING HER R1.4 MILLION ODD SEVERANCE PAY FROM THE USELESS INEPT SABC? HAVE YOU AND YOUR WIFE NEVER USED THE GAUTRAIN? Absolute HYPOCRACY from a "People Fighter". Get your A.. into Gear, and sort out your Ministerial Portfolio first. Or are you awaiting instructions from the COMMIES in CUBA? I REST MY CASE......

  • Jay - 2012-05-02 10:13

    Blade, You were a Cabinet Minister or a Tri-Partide Cronie of the ANC when the Gautrain & e Tolling was on their agenda and being implemented. WHY THEN DID YOU NOT OPEN YOUR MOUTH? DID YOU VOICE YOUR OPINION THEN? BTW ARE YOU NOT LIVING A "RICH LIFESTYLE" SINCE THEN? Fancy BMWs etc? IS YOUR SPOUSE NOT ENJOYING HER R1.4 MILLION ODD SEVERANCE PAY FROM THE USELESS INEPT SABC? HAVE YOU AND YOUR WIFE NEVER USED THE GAUTRAIN? Absolute HYPOCRACY from a "People Fighter". Get your A.. into Gear, and sort out your Ministerial Portfolio first. Or are you awaiting instructions from the COMMIES in CUBA? I REST MY CASE......

  • Carla - 2012-05-02 10:24

    Was quite cross after reading the article, had much to say in response but I saw the level-headed, rational, clear thinking clever people have said it all in their comments. So I am happy again.

  • Warwick - 2012-05-02 10:36

    Fence sitting commie opportunist. You were for the tolls, you got knocked off your perch by OUTA. Communism is a failed ideology - read animal farm. No to tolls and that's to all tolls now.

  • lungelo.yili - 2012-05-02 10:46

    doesnt this cat sit on the ANC NEC though?

  • solverman - 2012-05-02 11:26

    Put a 50 cent tax on every commuter that uses a SABTA taxi everyday and watch the SH1T storm.

  • joao.r.oliveira1 - 2012-05-02 11:37

    It should be noted that when considering what benefits the poor, those things which benefit the rich who provide the poor with employment ultimately benefits the poor as well. Consider also the indirect benefits which come from improving infrastructure that benefits business and job creation. These various initiatives not only provided thousands of jobs in their development, but they also provide ongoing employment much of which will benefit the poor. This is to say nothing about the positive impact that this infrastructure has on our economy as a whole. Helping the poor must be seen from every possible angle. If you don't look after the rich, the rich will look after themselves, and this may well mean that the poor will simply get even poorer.

  • Lauden Kirk - 2012-05-02 11:39

    Stop fighting. That's what the ANC wants us to do. To split is up. Let's help each other.

  • Bzeng - 2012-05-02 11:56

    Nzimande took a flight or his luxury car to Free State. He has two top positions. He is part of the same government that makes promises for votes and fail to reduce poverty. So he must first help his party to get into shape before seeing service for rich only because his the first to use these services.

  • Bzeng - 2012-05-02 11:58

    Nzimande took a flight or his luxury car to Free State. He has two top positions. He is part of the same government that makes promises for votes and fail to reduce poverty. So he must first help his party to get into shape before seeing service for rich only because his the first to use these services.

  • Richard - 2012-05-02 12:01

    I received this E-Mail :- (Not sure how true it is but lets one think) SANRAL - From an Australian Newspaper on the South Africa E-Tolls "The deal between Sanral and Kapsch of Austria, the e-tolling operating company is not with the corporate entity, but with Kapsch Sweden. Kapsch Sweden used to be SAAB Aerospace, a 50% shareholder in a company called SANIP. British Aerospace held the other 50%. SANIP is alleged to be the payment vehicle used by SAAB and BAE to pay th...e alleged bribes of around R100Million in the Arms Deal saga to ensure that the Gripen fighter was chosen. The names Hlongwane, Modise, ANC, Zuma, Shaik figure prominently in the list of alleged recipients. So why Kapsch Sweden, not the corporate entity? I leave it to your imagination. How much? According to the corporate structure used to implement e-tolling in SA, about 80c of each rand of profit can be repatriated to Austria via Sweden. Gauteng alone expects to generate about R350Million a month in toll fees. Assuming a very conservative 10% profit available to be repatriated, that means about R28Million a month to go overseas"

  • Kenny - 2012-05-02 12:38

    Frankly speaking Blade Nzimande is the biggest political cameleon in the southern hemisphere - only last week he was in the forefront of those supporting e-tolling and now on realizing that the DA is about to extract a huge political milleage out of the E-tolling fiasco he becomes a Judas Iscariot condemning a project which he only last week embraced. You are too late Mr Nzimande the DA has my vote

  • Gert - 2012-05-02 13:58

    “Billions were spent to benefit the rich. The Gautrain does not go into the townships of Gauteng… or Botshabelo for that matter.” If the train is 30 min. late due to cable theft it will get burnt, but yes it is probably for the rich --all the govt. people are probably using it and Vavi. If the anc is to stop corruption and gifts to Cuba etc. and massive pay cheques and golden handshakes to corrupt people then they can compensate the fares for poor people.--But first they need decent housing to be able to wash and to be decent and well clothed and to have good food, otherwise they will just steal and rob the passengers---but he will not understand---he is not a poor guy.

  • philschalkwyk - 2012-05-02 14:04

    Gautrain is a first class service. We cant have it being extended to Blades suggestions- It will, in all likelihood get torched.

      taffaz.banhwa - 2012-05-03 08:52

      But still its provision in such areas wud be a vital development turning point!!its gona be useful!!the social benefits are more,but we can't object tht it can be tourchd athawyz

  • Vincent - 2012-05-02 14:57

    One has a choice whether to use Gautrain or not...E-THIEF is something else.

      taffaz.banhwa - 2012-05-03 08:48

      Nooo gautrain is expensive,if you are poor u hav no choice,

  • flysouth - 2012-05-02 16:13

    Like under Pol Pot's regime in Cambodia, Blade probably would classify the 'rich' as those who own a settee AND TWO MATCHING CHAIRS! I kid you not - a man was killed during the uprising there by a Commie youth gang for this capitalist "offence" This is how communists - even those who manage to drive 1.2 million rand motorcars with an apparently clear conscience - think when it suits them!

  • Rob - 2012-05-02 16:39

    Obviously Blade has not noticed the many taxis packed to the hilt weaving from lane to lane at high speeds along the freeways (as he travels in his seven series BMW)!! I supposed it is just the rich that is travelling in the taxis. A-hole!

  • Muhammed - 2012-05-02 17:07

    Agreed!

  • Flynn - 2012-05-03 15:23

    Why is it that when politicians or leaders talk about the poor - they always refer to the Black population only. I don't hear or see our government ever giving anything to Whites, Indians & Colourds - does the government know that every race group has rich, everage & poor people. Our government should be fair and treat all race groups alike. Get away from the aparthied regime - help people to survive to see the next day

  • Raul - 2012-05-04 23:47

    Blade Runner! It works this way: First something is created for the rich and for the ones who can afford to pay. The income generated is than used to create something for the poor.

  • Sam - 2012-05-04 23:50

    my politicians are day dreaming now, its clear the more you get rich the more you get blindfolded about where you come from, Gautrain is meant for middle class whereas Metro Rail is meant for working class , metro rail from Jhb to Pta is R18 return, why do a person want to buy mercedes when there is toyota corolla for 1980 model, Gautrain is for entrepreneurs and middle class working between Jhb n Pta, entrepreneurs are creaters of wealth that employ unemployed in SA, therefore if Gautrain is nt available , how those entrepreneurs going to have flexible life to do their plannings, time they spend on trafic is money, they need something quick from Pta,Jhb,and airport

  • Multi - 2012-06-02 14:33

    ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha...oh I love it, ha,ha,ha,ha...its like a boomerang that is supposed to come back to you...in this case it doesn't so it is called "f%^&n stuk houtstok"!!!!!!!

  • HendrikAfrika - 2012-06-02 14:46

    Idiot your comrades burn their trains. Stop messing around and do your own job. Get engineering education at the standard the NP party had it before idiots like you messed it up. We don't need you in this country.

      Multi - 2012-06-02 15:02

      @Hendrikafrika, after all these comments your advice in a nutshell, hits the nail centre on the dot!!! cANCer take note!!!!!!

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