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Gays are rotten, says Zulu king

2012-01-23 09:24

Johannesburg - Zulu monarch King Goodwill Zwelithini has criticised people who engage in same sex relationships, labelling them as "rotten", according to a newspaper report on Monday.

"Traditionally, there were no people who engaged in same sex relationships. There was nothing like that and if you do it, you must know that you are rotten," The Times quoted him as saying.

"I don't care how you feel about it. If you do it, you must know that it is wrong and you are rotten. Same sex is not acceptable."

He was speaking at Nquthu, in northern KwaZulu-Natal, during the 133rd commemoration of the Battle of Isandlwana, which the Zulu regiments won.

On Sunday, Zwelithini shared the stage with President Jacob Zuma, who was criticised in 2006 for homophobic statements he had made at a Heritage Day celebration.

The South African Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation
on Monday said it was disappointed by Zwelithini's statement.

GLAAD's Cobus Fourie said in a statement to News24: "We find it extremely distressing that a high profile person makes such vexing and degrading comments about an increasingly vulnerable community.

"We have enough instances of hate crimes in this country and we do not need to add insult to injury."
 
Meanwhile, former president Thabo Mbeki has been quoted by a Ugandan newspaper as saying that the country's anti-gay bill, which seeks the death penalty for aggravated homosexuality, doesn't make sense.

Mbeki hit out at the bill, telling a public audience in Kampala that what two consenting adults do in private "is really not the matter of law", the Daily Monitor reported.

Comments
  • Deeteem - 2012-01-23 09:43

    Excuse me mr king, I think if you looked hard enough, there will be someone in your family who is "rotten

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 11:15

      Haha definitely... we are everywhere :-P

      Nkulekweni - 2012-01-24 09:12

      Thanks Alicia very informative. Now the mystery to me is why is there a word for homosexual in the Zulu language..."isitabane"...if homosexuality is/was not practised in Zulu culture. (no langauge refers to something that does not exist conceptually) This is not a borrowed word like isitolo (store) but a word with Zulu etymology. Anyone with a deeper knowledge of Zulu care to educate me on this matter...i am genuinely curious.

      Ralph - 2012-01-24 14:15

      What about the strong rumours that king Shaka was gay? Do anyone have info about that?

  • Theo - 2012-01-23 09:51

    Oh the fight for freedom and tolerance... For those who believed the war for it was won, think again, the enemy are regrouping! (Also remember that dumb people in large numbers are very dangerous)

  • Marais Van den Berg - 2012-01-23 09:52

    Sounds like hate-speech to me. I can think of a few names to call him...but then, I show better breeding, so I won't. But know this kingie, you just lost the pink vote. Haha! Sounds like he and Riekert Botha should start a new church-cum-political party...

      Helene - 2012-01-23 15:08

      why do feel to make such a remark???? Evcerybody wants freedom of speech, but when it is used, those who asked and fought for it, can't take it.... then it is "hatespeech"....

      Len - 2012-01-23 15:31

      @Helene. What would you consider hate speech?

      Mildly_Amused - 2012-01-25 11:42

      @ Helene: "I am uncomfortable with homosexuality"/ "I do not agree with homosexuality." = freedom of speech "I don't care how you feel about it. If you do it, you must know that it is wrong and you are rotten. Same sex is not acceptable." = Hate speech.

  • Patrick - 2012-01-23 09:54

    alicia what you wrote does not make sense. hold Alt + F4 on you keyboard for reply. thanks

      Patrick - 2012-01-23 15:49

      @ alicia why should i believe anytime coming from a new age. i wont be surprise if malema read it before the story is published

  • Bongani - 2012-01-23 09:54

    The last time i checked we were in a democratic country and everyone had a right to voice their opinion, freedom of speech, or we are saying the freedom of speech is only allowed if you say what we like. I think before we call the king moron, may be we should look at the mirror we might just see a bigger moron.

      Jason Barber - 2012-01-23 10:12

      Freedom of Speech? Yes. But I also have the freedom to love men, and who gives him the right to say that is wrong. Taxpayers (Not just Zulu ones) pay for his lifestyle. He should understand that before anything else. After all, who needs a king in the 21st century? Especially one as backwards and homophobic as him.

      Showerhead Zooma - 2012-01-23 10:18

      Although I may not share the Zulu leaders opinions, I can respect your comment. Well said and very true.

      karen.glautier - 2012-01-23 11:45

      Wesley that doesn't make sense... Bongani isn't attacking a race group, he isn't necessarily even attacking the gay community. He is voicing his opinion, HIS OPINION, you don't have to agree with it, but you also can't change it.

      Mildly_Amused - 2012-01-23 11:57

      Did you not learn in primary school that Rights come with RESPONSIBILITIES? You have the right to free speech, but also a responsibility to not infringe on other people's rights by speaking freely. Otherwise I could call you whatever the hell I want to and you are in no way allowed to get offended.

      lwazi.yekela - 2012-01-23 13:07

      How does one argue with a person who does not know that there's a limit even to freedom of speech... The idea of a man my father's age making out with another one is not particularly one I'd like to have on my mind BUT it's not my business, it's their lives... Why do you even frakin' care about what two sane and willing adults are doing in their bedroom?

      Len - 2012-01-23 14:25

      Isn't calling a moron part of the freedom of speech you advocate, Bongani? Surely, if he has a right to insult homosexuals, we have every right to insult him, not so? In any case, all freedoms are limited when you start insulting people and engage in hate speech. If someone said "blacks are thieves" I am sure you would be legitimately pissed off.

  • Newsreader - 2012-01-23 09:56

    Alicia and Paulo - I am 100% with you there. I am certainly not gay, but the most successful and inspiring entrepeneurs who work in teh entertainment industry, own restaurants, fashion companies, that give the modern living trends their vibrant buzz all happen to have the biggest support from the gay community. There is no better dressed individuals with more pride than the gays. Then without sterotyping, there are more wrongs and flaws in general society that has nothing to do with being gay or socially reformed and stigmatised as unacceptable. The King is entitled to his opinion, but does not have the right to condemn with title.

      Len - 2012-01-23 14:33

      You are substituting one stereotype with another. Isn't it enough to merely say that homosexuals are human beings and what they do in the privacy of of their homes with other adults is their business? The moment we say, they should not be insulted because they support restaurants, we fall into a slippery slope which would suggest that those not supportive of a certain industry are fair game. I agree with part of your last statement. We have rights which are guaranteed by our constitution. We have a right to associate with those we chose to associate with but have no right to insult those who may not share our ideals and ideas. I may dislike royalty of any kind, and find it wasteful. I dislike polygamus individuals as I see that as insulting to women, but I know better not to impose my own ideals on others. Afterall, a woman who intentionally marry a married man has that right too

  • Dinky - 2012-01-23 09:58

    Thank you for the all encompassing reason and logic in your culture. Is that your Zulu explanation for all the bestiality that takes place and which is a crime in a civilized society ? Mbeki is a Xhosa - Oxford intellectual - with an open mind. Beeeeg difference.

      Lindani - 2012-01-24 12:45

      Mbeki did not study at Oxford but Sussex. Nevertheless, the issue here has nothing to do with the Zulu culture nor the African culture, but rather accepting the homosexual practice that has been in Africa for thousand of years behind closed doors. While I don't accept the homosexual practice, I don't think it is my business as long as the two consenting adults are doing it behind closed doors. It is unfortunate and irresponsible for a social grant recipient King Zwelithini, who seem to forget that his kingdom is undemocratically financed by SA taxpayers to insult other citizens of our country in this manner.

  • CarlS - 2012-01-23 10:02

    His comments are about as significant as his sovereignty - Very VERY little.

  • daniel.malhoenner - 2012-01-23 10:05

    Someone tell this un-elected plank to go get a real job and stop leeching of society, o and maybe he likes the penis as well... hence his obsession with gay people.

  • Lize - 2012-01-23 10:16

    So the Zulu, Nongoloza in the story of the Numbers Gang was what King? Bi-curious? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Numbers_Gang Don't think your delusions about your people's "traditions" are very newsworthy...

  • kseyffert - 2012-01-23 10:29

    So it's not acceptable to you, fine. Now BUT out of other peoples lives! Who gave YOU the right to interfere in the love lives of other people????

  • SarelJBotha - 2012-01-23 10:31

    Everyone has the right to do what they like behind closed doors and everyone also has the right not to agree with someones lifestyle. Whether we can just say what we think is another story, but hiding what you think makes sores fester and eventually it wil burst open and no-one will be better off. I do not agree with the gay lifestyle, but I surely do not hate these people or wish them any harm.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 11:27

      FFS it is not a lifestyle. Do YOU live a heterosexual lifestyle? No, because you did not CHOOSE to be straight. I did not choose to be gay. It's just a fact of life.

      tony.delucchi - 2012-01-23 11:41

      @ Wesley, defensive are'nt we?

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 12:06

      Well wouldn't you be defensive when certain people attack you and your fellow gays, correctively raping them, bullying them until they take their own lives? People need to start to realise that it's not a choice, not a lifestyle or preference.

      karen.glautier - 2012-01-23 12:19

      Wesley, many/most people agree with you, but you need to recognise that. Perhaps the correct wording hasn't been used, but these people are not trying to insult you/or your fellow gays. Most people here are defending gay peoples human rights. They just aren't saying to your satisfaction! ...and so you know, I do consider my lifestyle to be a 'straight' lifestyle, it is a choice to me, and I am not ashamed of it in any way. If someone tried to insult me for being straight I'd laugh in their face.... it's really none of their business! Just be proud of who you are, bugger everyone elses opinion!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 12:28

      Hehe you are correct Karen. I am proud :-)

      Riaan - 2012-01-23 13:57

      tony.delucchi Stupid, aren't we? Sorry, that was a rhetorical question.

      Len - 2012-01-23 14:39

      @Karen. At which point did you choose to be straight? What options were available to you? What process did you follow to make the choice? Did you evaluate the available choices? I think what Wesley is saying is that it is not a choice because it was not a process of elimination or analysis. Sure, you are proud, and as well you should be. The only choice you have to accept that you are what you are, or spend eternity denying what you are, and that is a different discussion altogether.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 14:51

      @Lenand... thanks for understanding what i was trying to say :-)

      Dave - 2012-01-23 15:05

      Great response Lenand

  • Barbara - 2012-01-23 10:32

    maybe Goodwill and Thabo Mbeki need to have a chat - see separate article about Mbeki's comments about Uganda and their gay legislation.

      Len - 2012-01-23 14:40

      Goodwill would never understand Thabo.

  • daniel.j.palma - 2012-01-23 10:42

    Here is a man who dosen't know his history. Look back in time O great king and you will see that "Traditionally" you are blind.

  • George - 2012-01-23 10:45

    God created Eve so that Adam could have a partner, if God wanted man to be gay then he would have created another Adam, I am with the Zulu king on this one. Freedom of speech.

      Burtfred - 2012-01-23 10:53

      @ George What a load of hogwash. So who created gays then?

      jowza1 - 2012-01-23 11:16

      the tooth fairy,burtfred

      raegan.mcreed - 2012-01-23 11:19

      it should be buttfred instead of burtfred.....

      Iwan Theron - 2012-01-23 11:32

      God also created all men eqaul, so who are you to judge?

      George - 2012-01-23 12:04

      @Wesley, Yeah Wesley one day you will stand before the gates of heaven and plead with God for forgiveness because in the words of AC/DC you are on the highway to hell

      jcadman3 - 2012-01-23 12:09

      Totally Agree with you ... But it's more the actions that are rotten and not the people themselves.

      jcadman3 - 2012-01-23 12:11

      @Burtfred - Having an attraction to the same sex is satan driving this inside you.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 12:14

      Lol @George. Like i care, when I'm dead that's it. Why worry about stuff that i cannot possibly know about. If i end up in hell, I'll remember to give you a high 5.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 13:39

      BTW George, if you believe that the human races has its origins from 2 people 10,000 years ago, then you are more deluded than i could have ever imagined.

      Dirk - 2012-01-23 14:14

      Their "solution"- "Get rid of God" an continue with the act- appropriately delusional

      Len - 2012-01-23 14:42

      1. I do not believe in your god, and so this is not applicable to me and hence invalid as an argument. 2. Freedom of speech has limitations, one of which is Hate Speech

      kabelo.monareng - 2012-01-23 14:44

      Got to agree with you there George

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 15:02

      @Dirk & Rabbit: I am merely expressing my opinion/"belief" You are your own person and can believe whatever you want. I'm not saying that you should not be allowed to. It's your prerogative :-) if i ran down anybody (who didn't say something completely moronic)... then i apologise.

      The Real Unskinny - 2012-01-23 16:05

      @George: Where'd all the kids wives come from? Inbreed much?

      Zakariya - 2012-01-23 16:09

      Give that king a bells!!!!

      George - 2012-01-24 12:56

      @Lenand, well I do not believe in same sex and will never approve of it, and I do believe in my God and according to that same sex is wrong, and as for the freedom of speech I have the right to say what I am thinking and believe in, I am not saying anybody should hate the gays and go out and bash them to bits but, but woman are there to be mans partner.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-24 14:00

      @George: according to your "god", you should stone your child to death if he/she is disobedient and disrespectful. That argument that god says gays are an abomination is pathetic beyond words. If you wana believe some fantasy story that a few primitive dudes cooked up thousands of years ago, then you must believe it all. If your wife looks at another man, punch her... and see what that gets you. Moron.

      Bertverlinde - 2012-01-24 16:13

      @George: Jesus was a homosexual. Who are you to judge him?

  • Iwan Theron - 2012-01-23 10:47

    I am shocked and appauled that someone with some public influence can make such ignorant and irresponsible statements. He will have the blood on his hands of all the hate crimes against homosexuals in this country. I suppose he's also not opposed to discriminating against people based on the colour of their skin or gender. He must crawl back under the rock that he came out under. There is no place for ignorance in the new South Africa.

  • Iwan Theron - 2012-01-23 10:48

    I am shocked and appauled that someone with some public influence can make such ignorant and irresponsible statements. He will have the blood on his hands of all the hate crimes against homosexuals in this country. I suppose he's also not opposed to discriminating against people based on the colour of their skin or gender. He must crawl back under the rock that he came out under. There is no place for ignorance in the new South Africa.

      Iwan Theron - 2012-01-23 11:27

      It has nothing to do with the fact that Im gay or not, it has to do with the fact that I am a decent human-being , who does not judge people by race, gender or sexual prefference. My point is that with public influence comes responsability. I guess that you have to be a Julius Malema supporter then also.

      koo.doyle - 2012-01-23 11:52

      George if you agree with the king you're an idiot. Free speech is one of the foundations of democracy, is hate speech too? Really you're a moron.

      koo.doyle - 2012-01-23 11:52

      George if you agree with the king you're an idiot. Free speech is one of the foundations of democracy, is hate speech too? Really you're a moron.

      George - 2012-01-23 12:16

      Well Malema has nothing to do with this and no I do not support him at all but if he had to make the same statement then I would agree with the statement that he is making as with the king, I do not support him but I agree with the statment, and @koo.doyle as I said freedom of speech so you could call me a moron if that makes you feel good I really dont mind

      Iwan Theron - 2012-01-23 12:46

      I just expected that you would support Malema since he is a perfect example of a political figure who disregards any responsability and just says anything that pops into his small mind.

      Iwan Theron - 2012-01-23 12:47

      I just expected that you would support Malema since he is a perfect example of a political figure who disregards any responsability and just says anything that pops into his small mind, much like the Zulu King.

      Joanne - 2012-01-23 13:09

      I guess, but where you find women being treated as 2nd class citizens why would you expect minorities to get more tolerance? Until these prejudices and traditions are tackled, it's pointless to expect enlightened attitudes.

      CoenieKukkuk - 2012-01-24 12:18

      Our take on the King: http://www.queerlife.co.za/test/iqueer-columns/coenie-kukkuk/7418-african-fairy-tale.html

  • chris.khanye - 2012-01-23 10:49

    DON'T JUDGE, LEST YOU BE JUDGED!

      fourie.eugene - 2012-01-25 12:47

      Well said, can't believe you get thumbs-down on that

  • Shirley - 2012-01-23 10:57

    This is almost comical coming from a tribal culture that practises poligamy and child brides!!!

  • Faizie - 2012-01-23 11:05

    Wow. Perhaps he can speak to his first born son about being a responsible person. He fathers a daughter and doesnt pay maintenance,dupes relatives and friends into clearing his debts and stays at home living off the hog. Traditionally his family has no ethics either. Simakade Jackson Zulu : 0826612000

  • flippie.vanschalkwyk - 2012-01-23 11:13

    So first they call all white's racists, now all gays are rotten, wtf?

      Odicito - 2012-01-24 00:37

      I think the plank of a 'king' should go to Uganda or Zimbabwe and go hang, but I see a connection FAIL between your first and second sentences. And by the way, I think zwelithini is probably gay!

  • Jason Barber - 2012-01-23 11:15

    When was the last time you heard a gay public figure stand up and say "Being straight is awful and it must be stopped punished"? We have no say in your private life, and we don't want one. We could care less what a man and a woman do in their bedroom. We don't advocate the death penalty for straights, nor do we use influential instututions (such as churches, government, business or a royal family) to call for a change in laws that would predjudice heterosexuals. We do not have a history of heterophobia in our culture (which manages to span the world, despite hetero-normative ideals). We ask that we be treated normally. That's it. If I stood up and said Zulus are rotten, I'd be very very wrong. So why is he allowed to say I'm rotten? Last I checked I was a pretty nice guy. The rot doesn't come from me, it comes from your antiquated notions of God, culture and tradition. Sometimes, we as humanity have to change. It's time for the Zulu Royal Family to enter the 21st century.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 11:34

      Well said Jason :-)

      Len - 2012-01-23 14:58

      @Karen. I find your argument lacking in logic. There are some married people who do not engage in any sexual activity and still love each other. The bits part is irrelevant to them. There are homosexuals who love each other without engaging in any sexual acts. There are straight couples that engage in anal sex and other sexual positions that you would consider quite "odd." So, what people do in the privacy of their home is none of your damn business, whether these people are considered straight or homosexual. If they are both consenting adults, then let them be. Also, if we use numbers as basis of a moral argument, then we should oppress all minorities? Afterall, if you have the numbers, who needs opposition? Those who deny the existence of god are not limited to homosexuals and if you spent time thinking, you would recognise that, unless it is your argument that anyone that disagrees with you is a homosexual. Consider that a vast majority of people in this world do not believe in your religion, never mind denomination. It does seem to me your inability to argue the case has less to do with your energy and more with your intellectual capacity. Same difference!!!

      Jason Barber - 2012-01-23 15:00

      @Karen Illogical argument? The onslaught of institutualised homophobia is led by a religious right, convinced that ancient laws be implemented in our modern society. THAT is illogical. Have your beliefs, believe in God. That's your CHOICE. I would not take it away from you. But don't enforce your beliefs on others. I do not want GAY laws. I want laws that make the disctinction between gay and straight in terms of marriage, adoption, parenthood, and other rights to be unnecessary, ie. Everyone has the same rights, everyone is equal. I would not wish harm on straight people in any way, simply because they are people who deserve to be equal and free. I was made by straight people, most of my friends are straight. I live with straight flatmates. To even suggest that gay people would harbour such thoughts is unfounded and proves how narrow your world view is. I didn't denounce your God, I denounced your antiquated notion of Him. Understand the difference and you take a big step to understanding my argument. You say, "He is allowed to say your are rotten, only because he is a King and you are just one of the plebs, just like the rest of us!" Seriously? You believe any monarch has the right to say what he feels because he's a monarch? Do we live in the times of Henry VII? You have little understanding of how each person is equal and free and entitled to live without hatred in their lives, as is enshrined in the South African Constitution, which you and the king are both expected to uphold. You cannot expect people to follow laws that are millenia old, especially when you use fictional claims of only two genders. There is scientific and social acceptance of third, fourth, and sometimes fifth genders. The world is adapting, and understanding, and tolerating because of science and the belief that everyone is equal. If you and the king and people like you don't catch up and accept others you will eventually find yourself on the outside of society, a religious annoyance which no one respects.

  • Liezl-ann - 2012-01-23 11:21

    Remember the pink Rand is what helps build this countries economy, just like all other hard-working, honest people's.

  • Lionel - 2012-01-23 11:56

    This parasitic breeder is a waste of taxpayer's money.

  • jcadman3 - 2012-01-23 12:06

    I think that Zwelithini should have said their actions are rotten. Not the people. The bible says love thy neighbour. It does not say love only thoes who are ... . (Loving someone does not mean you have to approve of their actions).

  • phindij1 - 2012-01-23 12:20

    it is very disturbing to here that such a high profile man would say such thing in public it is legalised and i personally feel that MR ZWELITHINI deals with his own issues because we as lesbians and gays we are here to stay we not going ant where....he should not be passing such comments in public he already knows that our country has so many hate speech, his speech is just an increase of hate crimes against the LGBTI however i say he can continue with his consults we not going anywhere we are here to stay!!!!!!!!!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 15:35

      Hugs to phindij1!!!!!

  • Lana - 2012-01-23 12:37

    I hope for their sake that none of your children are gay if this is your view on the matter. It actually has nothing to do with anyone if someone is gay. It doesn't affect your life so why should you have a say on theirs. Your views are revolting

  • Afrikaans - 2012-01-23 12:51

    I see my comment was removed probably because I said Jesus Christ can set sinners free. Sad freedom of press here. Well before this post gets removed too see why they removed the last post by going to http://www.gebedsklub.net/index.php/preke/video-preke/viewvideo/46/verlos-en-waarlik-vry-pierre-du-toit where you will see a video of an ex gay who got radically set free by Jesus Christ. Hard to argue with some one who has been there done that. The video is in Afrikaans. Last time I didn't have a link so that is not why it was removed.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 13:10

      Your comment was probably removed because it was extremely offensive and more than likely went against the News24 comments policy... And btw, he is probably still gay, and in deep denial. It is not a disease, therefore it cannot be cured. Just like stupidity cannot be cured.

      George - 2012-01-23 13:36

      @Wesley, you mean my comment about you being a real Dick, well I will still stick to that not only because you are gay but being gay and anti God

      peet.wolmarans - 2012-01-23 14:20

      Verander asseblief joun Avatar naam AFRIKAANS!. Jy verteenwoordig nie die taal of kultuur nie so hou op wegkruip en gebruik jou regte naam.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 15:01

      Lol @ peet

      The Real Unskinny - 2012-01-23 15:45

      Reading THIS post Afrikaans I believe your previous post may have been deleted because it was as stupid as this one.

      Mark - 2012-01-24 08:31

      Afrikaans, What is an ex-gay? Sexuality is as fixed in humans as is your length, or eye-color. Besides, why do you WANT to change sexuality? What benefit will you gain if I suddenly became straight?

      Gerhard - 2012-01-24 13:54

      I used to be an ex-virgin, many, many years ago. That is almost as bad. Luckily I had some woman show me the error of my ways.

      fourie.eugene - 2012-01-25 12:45

      So, you can become gay someday Afrikaans?

  • Mlungisi - 2012-01-23 12:56

    I am very much incensed with the way you have decided to address His Majesty the King in this article. How on earth can you call our King by his first name and not address him properly. I have never heard or seen His Majesty Queen Elizabeth being addressed as Elizabeth.

      Carlo Hayes - 2012-01-23 12:59

      Because he is not a real king you twat!!!

      Carlo Hayes - 2012-01-23 13:02

      By the way I think this king wannabe is gay!

      Iwan Theron - 2012-01-23 13:12

      He does not deserve the title of king, he is not royalty.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 13:15

      His Majesty the King lol. Please, he doesn't even behave like a King should. He just enjoys the taxpayers money while "his people" continue to live in poverty.

      Thabo - 2012-01-23 15:21

      @Mlungisi, it's a very valid point you make here. And all these people stating that his majesty is not royalty need to do their homework. He has just as much royalty as that european Elizabeth, by the way she ALSO gets paid using the taxpayers' money. His majesty has the right to voice his opinion, if some journalist chooses to publicize it... too bad. And yes, homosexuality is not a natural phenomenon, if it was ... then men would be able to procreate. Everything in nature has reason for existing, I am yet to understand the need for homosexuality in nature. Anyway, like someone commented on this article... they are adults so let them do as they please.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 15:38

      @Thabo: he is not MY king, so why must my hard-earned tax money be used to subsidise HIS lifestyle? He should collect taxes from Zulu people... I am my own King thank you :-)

      Zion - 2012-01-23 15:44

      Thabo, I have worked in access of 40years on the mines varying from asbestos to gold and homosexuality is rife amongst the workforce in the hostels and other mine accommodation. I have worked in these peoples rooms and seen the homosexuality from up near. It does not bother me or them and does not appear to bother anybody else. I understand why this type of thing happens and that is because these men are isolated from their wives and families and are men after all. What is most disconcerting of all is the use of prostitutes to satisfy their needs despite free condoms and other precautions it is rife and aids is the result. Homosexuality is a problem that you and I, although we both understand it, can do little to prevent it and that is the tragedy.

      Shirley - 2012-01-23 17:17

      The only thing royal about him is the baking powder in his kitchen!

      Carlo Hayes - 2012-01-23 19:10

      He is royal, a royal f$&ckup

      Lionel - 2012-01-24 08:49

      You speak of royalty with respect; the only way these parasites got the job was through their ancestors being the most violent gangsters of their era - this is true all over the world - then they have the nerve to claim that god appointed them. Royalty sucks. The Zulu King is just as moronic as Prince Phillip, what with the drivel he spews.

  • RobertKeeling - 2012-01-23 13:21

    A so-called King living off the tax payers contributions to the country, without doing much to earn the millions he gets, should shut it, and go and play with his little maidens.

  • jaclynwds - 2012-01-23 13:40

    This intolerance is so unnecessary and tiresome. What difference does it really make to anyone if people are gay or not? Really now, is there not already enough hate in the world? I just don't understand this.

  • Thando - 2012-01-23 13:41

    if gay is rotten so as taking young girls and making them yo wifes waithing our money, perhaps you should focus more on making a better living for your people and less tym worrying bout gay people

  • kevinross1980 - 2012-01-23 13:45

    Go Mbeki! Someone with a clear head and right morals. Zwelethini, why are you making comments as though we are in the Apartheid era - YOU ARE A MORON!

  • Elbie - 2012-01-23 13:52

    who is he to tell me im rotten

      Sipho Cele - 2012-01-24 06:37

      He is Ingonyama yama Zulu, Isilo samabandla wonke, Ubhejane phum' esqiwini.

  • peet.wolmarans - 2012-01-23 14:08

    Usauly kings are wise... He should be demoted to just "oom"!

  • darktruth - 2012-01-23 14:18

    And people care what the almighty king thinks?

      Len - 2012-01-23 15:05

      Probably not, but if he said something else, no one would have reported on it.

  • Gerald - 2012-01-23 14:20

    At Wesley Not to say I condone the King's behaviour you mentioned genetics and you being born that way, I gather ( I could be wrong) that you believe in evolution rather than Creation. If homosexuality is genetic, how does it propagate

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 15:00

      @Gerald 1) Through the use of technology that has been developed. 2) Through recessive or dominant genes present in either the mother or father. I may be gay but i can still get a donated egg fertilized with my sperm. There is no guarantee that it will be passed down to my children, but might come out in a few generations. I do not have the answers to everything (i don't claim to), it's just my opinion based on scientific research.

      Len - 2012-01-23 15:07

      @Gerald. Consider that we are different in many ways. Some of us are born tall and some of us are born short, though there are some contributing factors like smoking, afs, etc. Some of us are born musical and some of us are not. Human beings are a varied bunch

      Gerald - 2012-01-23 16:50

      Dear Wesley Isn't technology, esp all artificial insermination techniques fairly recent such that cannot be blamed for the propagation of homosexuality....you mention a Mendelian type of inheritance but the fact that homosexuality in its purest cannot propagate wouldn't evolution weed it out?

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 20:07

      Developing technology to better civilisation is considered part of evolution. So say the scientific community at large...

      Gerald - 2012-01-23 21:48

      True Wesley, science is evolution, but what about before this science....how then did homosexuality survive before, or is it a recent 'mutation?

      Mark - 2012-01-24 08:35

      Gerald, First off, evolution has no agenda, it is pure mutation. Secondly, some scientist propose that homosexuality occurs to keep species from overpopulation their natural habitat. Now this is a bit of a fatalistic approach, but it might provide some motivation for the occurrence of homosexuality.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-24 14:06

      @Gerald: like i said, it is passed down through the generations, by recessive or dominant genes. My gran's uncle was gay, so the gene was in her already, more than likely recessive. So when she had her children it didn't manifest, but when her children had children it did, in two of us! See how it works now? It is passed down through the copulation of a man and a woman through genetic anomalies.

      fourie.eugene - 2012-01-25 12:36

      @Gerald - it is not unheard of for gay men to have farthered children (naturally), not just decades ago, but even presently. Or gay women marrying for the sake of social norms and having children with their husbands, only to divorce them in later years.

  • Len - 2012-01-23 14:22

    @Mike. The idea that you are considered a human being sickens me, I do not want to see you. Seriously, though, Mike. It is your right to associate with whomever you want no matter how small minded and idiotic they are. No one prevents you from doing so, but as you have a right to be whoever you are and associate with whomever you wish in a legal context, gay people also have that right. The Zulu kings is one of the richest individuals in the world, and thanks to contributions of some gay individuals. If his moral high see gays as he does, he should refuse all tax contributions to his income, as they are tainted by homosexuality. I will forward my account details so he can move this tainted money to my account

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 15:41

      Yes Lenand!! If only we could all sign a petition, demanding he pays us all back our "rotten, pink" tax money.

  • Priya - 2012-01-23 14:26

    who cares what the Zulu King says....idiot!!! Maybe he had a Gay relationship that was "Rotten"...Keep your opinions to yourself & Leave the Gay Society alone.....worry about the Crime, cos that's Rotten....

  • Kurt - 2012-01-23 14:28

    MMM Guess having more than one wife is not rotten or picking a teenager as your wife is rotten. You fake monarch....

  • Mabs - 2012-01-23 14:40

    I cannot believe he said this! What an idiot!

  • atholl.hay - 2012-01-23 14:43

    I suggest all those who have posted homophobic comments here should do a bit of Googling and you will discover that science says that you are all simply closet cases afraid of your own sexual urges. Oh, of course, the Bible says otherwise, so you'll just have to decide who you choose to believe: a bunch of superstitious, ignorant people writing in dark ages thousands of years ago or credible modern-day scientists ...

      Lionel - 2012-01-24 08:52

      It's always the religious types who have loads of skeletons - they flagellate themselves with guilt, and then claim god forgives them... Number one on my gadar, :D

  • Truth24 - 2012-01-23 14:55

    I think we should all be allowed to say what we think is right. If you don't like what someone else is saying about you then perhaps the problem lies with you - not the person who said it. If the shoe fits...

      Len - 2012-01-23 15:08

      Well, would you then say it is OK to insult religious minorities, racial minories, political minorities or is this right limited to insulting minorities in spheres where you find yourself in the majority?

      Iwan Theron - 2012-01-23 17:01

      The problem here is speaking before you think, something the zulu king is obviously not capable of doing, if the best way he can articulate himself is through the word rotten. He should have thaught about a woman being raped because she is a lesbian or a young man committing suicide because he's tired of living a lie, and that one day that might be his grandson or granddaughter.

      Iwan Theron - 2012-01-23 17:01

      The problem here is speaking before you think, something the zulu king is obviously not capable of doing, if the best way he can articulate himself is through the word rotten. He should have thaught about a woman being raped because she is a lesbian or a young man committing suicide because he's tired of living a lie, and that one day that might be his grandson or granddaughter.

      dewald.galjaard - 2012-01-24 11:45

      @ Lenand No one should be prevented from raising their views or concerns however inconvenient or unfashionable or unflattering they may be. You CANNOT have a truly democratic society which is free from discrimination if any single person is prevented from saying what they believe is right… or wrong. This will include homophobes, chauvinists (pigs), racists, communists and atheists alike. It is a fact of life that you CANNOT be liked by everyone so if it hurts your feelings when you find out you’re not the golden boy… well then as I said, perhaps the problem lies with you. The problem with this country today is that people are not saying what’s truly on their minds anymore. We are prevented by this group, that group, this organization, that law. We continue to run in circles around ‘other people’s feelings’. Meanwhile, the country is burning.

  • Andre - 2012-01-23 14:57

    It sounds like the gays are right and the str8ts are wrong these days, Funny that the Bible reads that is the "end days" everything that is right will be wrong, and everything that is wrong will be right. Trust the Bible, it is the only truth!!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 15:45

      This is like the 4000th prediction of the end times according to the bible. We are perpetually in the end times. No one is pointing out who is right or wrong, we just demand equal rights. Which i think is only fair. The bible says treat those as you would be treated unto yourself. But some religious people tend to choose which parts of the bible they want to believe and adhere to.

      Iwan Theron - 2012-01-23 16:48

      It seems like you only read into the bible what you want to. My God wants us all to love and respect each other not devide us. I dont think the "str8s" are wrong, I think narow-minded people like you are wrong. I think every1 knows gay people have more fun, mayb coz we just dont give a damn, we're just all about love.

  • Elkieta - 2012-01-23 15:03

    Zuma is looking for votes now.

  • minijere - 2012-01-23 15:08

    Yah south Africa as a whole is rotten, see how many supporters of homosexuality in this article? i am deeply sad about this, we lost the african values, in the olden days we didnt have the gay things, but now that satan infiltrated our minds with his new age materials , we are corrupt. the world soon will come to end, mark my words.

      Len - 2012-01-23 15:14

      African values? You mean "ubuntu" which valued other human beings as human regardless of whether you agree with them or not? Do you mean the spirit of neighbourliness, where you are expected to expected a neighbour in need? Please mention the African value you are refererring to, as I know no African value that prohibits love between people of the same sex. I am not really sure how you could know we did not have the gay thing, when you did not live in those days and very little history survive, especially on something that happens in the privacy of one's home. Also, what African values deal with Satan and Western religion? What African values predict the end of the world?

      Zion - 2012-01-23 15:48

      Satan, who the hell is satan. Zuma rules the roost not Mr Satan.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 15:54

      African value's and satan in the same sentence? Before the Europeans settled here, black people were "atheist" or whatever. Definitely not Christian. I agree with both Lenand and Rabbit :-) very compelling statements

      Iwan Theron - 2012-01-23 16:37

      The thing that makes me sad is that people like you exist. If you want to go back to the good old days you probably want to go back to slavery also. The way I see you're satanic, and the only thing that is rotten is your kind, you should all be shipped out of this country before you spoil the whole bunch.

      Mark - 2012-01-24 08:40

      minijere, Homosexuality existed even before mankind inhabited the earth. So exactly how far back do you want to go? 5-6 million year might suffice. What is African values? Slavery, ritualistic offerings, poligamy? Now we all had our fair share of barbarism in the past, but why take a step backwards? That is prone to be your downfall. Always move forward, learning from the mistakes of the past.

  • andile.ngcobo - 2012-01-23 15:47

    Please show some respect for Isilo Lamabandla King Goodwill Zwelethini. Clearly there are many of you who don't recognise his royal status however the South African constitution does recognise his status along with millions of his subjects. He may have offended with his statement and you may good reason to make negative comments about his statement but please keep in mind that there are people who see our king as the personification of our culture and we may be offended by derogatory statements toward him and his authority.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 16:15

      I will NEVER show respect to some lameass pompous "royal" guy that insults people, advocates hatred toward a certain group of people, while taking their hard-earned tax money. Respect is earned, not a given.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 16:17

      And I reiterate... he is NOT my king so why should i respect him? What has he ever done to earn it?

      andile.ngcobo - 2012-01-23 16:21

      @Rabbit he is our king and like I said he is the personification of our culture, he is the figure that represents the Zulu people, the guardian of our history and traditions. The benefit of any monarchy is less tangible in a modern democracy but I cant recall any nation that has chosen to dissolve their monarchy recently. Even Australia chose to retain Queen Elizabeth as their head of state in a referendum in 1999 even though they have a notorious rivalry with the English. Truthfully I may no be able to articulate all the reasons why the king is the king but he is and thats how he will stay

      andile.ngcobo - 2012-01-23 16:36

      @wesley you are well within your rights to choose not to identify yourself as a subject of the Zulu Monarchy however that does not give you the right to insult my king. He does not have to justify his throne to you or anyone else as long as this country's constitution places him at the head of our nation. Show some respect.

      Iwan Theron - 2012-01-23 17:55

      Andile are u retarded? Why would I go out of my way to respect someone who disrespected me and millions of other people? Actually a big part of South Africas demographic. Does that mean you have to respect Hendrik Verwoerd because he was the president of your country?

      andile.ngcobo - 2012-01-23 18:33

      @Iwan When Nelson Mandela met with FW De Klerk for '89/'90 negotiations he called him Mr. President and Sir, not Fred. You don't have to respect the views or opinions but you must respect his position. Even enemies are addressed with respect. If that doesn't make sense to you and you cant find it in you to respect the man or the throne, then respect the millions of Zulus who might take offence to the disrespect of their king, my king!

      Onke Dali - 2012-01-23 18:53

      Andile I tend to disagree with you as far as respecting "king" Zulu is concerned, you see a man in his position has no business making such irresponsible comments and if he is unable to keep his offensive & homophobic opinions to himself how can he or you for that matter expect the millions he has offended to respect him? He's not exactly the poster boy for all that is good now is he. Has he forgotten that even amongst those Zulus he is king of there are millions of gay men & women or did that just slip his mind?

      andile.ngcobo - 2012-01-23 19:11

      since when do you have to agree with someone to respect them please read the reply I wrote above yours. There was a time not so long ago when the Pope and the Vatican made similar statements regarding homosexuality as evil. Many condemned those statements then but he was still afforded the respect due to his position.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 20:11

      I will NOT show respect to him. I respect you for being loyal to your culture. But he has not earned my respect, therefore he does not get it. Simple as that. As for insulting him... he insulted me and my people first, so i merely responded. If he wants to make a statement insulting people, then he must accept responsibility and the consequences thereof.

      Mark - 2012-01-24 08:45

      Andile, Monarchy came to a crushing fall in the late 1800. Today it is not political anymore, but cultural. So to claim that Goodwil is the head of the nation, is blissfully ignorant. Democracy means that no one person has absolute power. The president reports to the Constitution etc. Now I respect your values and culture, but when it overstep its boundaries and jeopardize my human rights, I will retaliate.

      Lionel - 2012-01-24 08:57

      Maybe he should get the same treatment as Tsar Nicholas, Charles I and Louis XVI - OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!! - see the sketch on kings in Monty Python's Holy Grail.

  • Patsy - 2012-01-23 16:01

    This is what happens when you make somebody a king, he immediately thinks he is God as well. What happens between consenting adults has got nothing to do with anyone else. What happens in the bedroom has got nothing to do with anyone else. Mind your own business King Zwelithini and try to do a better job of being a King and stop leeching off the public.

  • wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 16:08

    Watch this all you homophobe bigots, and tell me that you think us gays deserve this. If you do... you are evil. http://www.worldstaruncut.com/uncut/38302

  • Grant - 2012-01-23 16:41

    im a lesbian trapped in a mans body lol