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Grabouw residents divided by race

2012-03-20 09:05

Cape Town - Black and coloured Grabouw residents guarded their schools against attack from either side following violent protests, the Cape Times reported on Tuesday.

Coloured Pineview residents and black Siteview residents clashed on Monday. Police had to form a human shield to prevent the groups from entering each other's territories.

A man was attacked by a group of about 15 people, who hit him with rocks and sticks and stabbed him in the shoulder. The group badly injured a second man.

This came after a rumour spread that “the blacks” wanted to burn down the nearby high school, attended mostly by coloured, the Cape Argus reported on Monday.

Fifteen people were arrested and released on a warning and will appear in the Grabouw Magistrate's Court soon on public violence charges.

Local resident Margaret le Roux told the newspaper: "A group of people [from] the coloured community have taken up a guarding position at the school to make sure the black people do not come damage it.

"In the black area there are groups of people standing on corners and there are people burning tyres."

Another resident, Monyaduwe Molefe, said blacks were retaliating because they were being attacked.


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Comments
  • richard.hipkin - 2012-03-20 09:20

    This is clearly politically motivated, I think South Africans can see right through this.. Watching the news last night it was young black men threatening and acting tough.. I wouldn't be surprised if this was ANCYL influence..

      johncarlos.biza - 2012-03-20 14:15

      Agree. Instability has become rife amongst ANC communities since the DA won the province.

      rowen.loretz - 2012-03-20 21:20

      why are my comments being removed?

      Skhanyo - 2012-03-21 15:38

      u should find it in your heart not to blame ANCYL for everything that DA is doing wrong...

      rlmbennett - 2012-03-21 19:51

      Go to www.politicsweb.co.za and read Theuns Botha's report, it's an eye opener.

      Antebellum - 2012-03-22 02:39

      The irony of this article is that Jannie Momberg Snr a member of the ANC Executive Committee (father of News24 editor-in-chief Jannie Momberg), was one of the people who started to bus people into the Masiphumele squatter camp between Fish Hoek and Kommetjie to get votes for the ANC in the South Peninsula during the 90's. Also interresting to note: Momberg Snr was a parliamentary member of the NP for 30 years and then joined the ANC in 1991 when the balance of power started to shift. Makes you think about the people who run the media in South Africa doesn't it?

  • Shenaazmo - 2012-03-20 09:25

    Saddening behavior...

  • Tinotenda - 2012-03-20 09:25

    I believe there shouldn't be a racial divide considering race allocations were engineered during apartheid. Clearly we have no recovered from its effects. And its condescending and arrogant for the DA to suggest that protests resulting in this tension is some conspiracy targeted at destabilising the party's hold over the Western Cape.

      Herman - 2012-03-20 09:29

      Ag, please stop blaming apartheid for everthing. Do introspection and see why this violence always sprout out from black communities, then come make a meaningful statement.

      lindz.kok - 2012-03-20 09:34

      yes apartheid did this... its apartheids fault the anc is corupt, its apartheids fault people like you cant think for them selfs... damn i think the wars in the far east is apartheids fault to... pfft

      Desmond - 2012-03-20 09:35

      Where do you come out with the DA.

      Bigrp - 2012-03-20 09:40

      I always find it interesting that Zimbo's living here feel they have the right to comment about the situation in SA, yet their own country is a shambles!

      Merven - 2012-03-20 09:43

      This got nothing to do with apartheid idiot.

      faerrab - 2012-03-20 09:55

      ANC is fuelling the resverse Apartheid fire and is supported by idiots like you who have not experienced Apartheid. I wonder why you ran away from ZIM - coward

      Eric - 2012-03-20 10:00

      The ANC sowed this field - let them accept the results!

      pierre.vercueil - 2012-03-20 10:05

      @Lindz.kok - Leer asseblief eers hoe om te spel voordat jy dom kommentaar lewer.

      makesuthink - 2012-03-20 10:25

      Nontendo Where do you get this Race allocation crap, Possibly your father Mad bob. Also how do you arrive at conclusion that tha DA made any suggestions regarding the situation in Grabouw.

      John - 2012-03-20 10:33

      pierre.vercueil is running for class captain or head boy.

      Jacqui - 2012-03-20 11:59

      Tinotenda. Stop wailing about apartheid. Hell when are you peole going to sing a different song?. What happened in Grabouw was instigated by the ANC and that's that. Like it or not. The DA was neither condescending or arrogant, it was speaking the truth. Much as that must hurt you. Slimy tactics by desperate nincompoops.

      Jacqui - 2012-03-20 12:02

      Pierre, polish your ego somewhere else. Who gave you the right to judge those writing here?. Get a life.

      Bambanani - 2012-03-20 15:10

      if the DA say the unrest in that part of the western cape is politically manipulated by the anc to distabilize the province,then the unrest in ather provinces is because of the DA is paying some poor people to cause chaos to prove that the ANC cant manage its affairs.

      Sean - 2012-03-21 23:13

      @Tinotenda - How the f@ck does your brain work ?? I am sick and tired of imbeciles like you !! That is why S.A , infact the whole of Africa is one big f@ck up !!

  • Herman - 2012-03-20 09:27

    Standing on the sideline as a white man for a change, I am wondering which race is the violent attacker and which is the victim??

  • lindz.kok - 2012-03-20 09:29

    if yoy are angry or your voice is not being heard burn something, in africa you can solve anything with violence and destruction.

      timmy.ditsele - 2012-03-20 11:11

      Why in africa? Why? why not south africa? you include the whole continant yet it has nothing to do with these.by the way just recently people were burning stuff in greec. i guess the greek goverment came to africa and imported some people to come and burn some stuff in greece.PLEASE THINK BEFORE TYPE CRAP ON YOU'RE KEYBOARD.STUPID.

      Rob - 2012-03-20 12:00

      Greeks were'nt burning people. Therin lies the difference. This IS an african thing & common to South Africa.

      Alan - 2012-03-20 13:20

      Kind of remember some violence, burning and looting in the UK last year - just saying. . .

  • spencer.bullard - 2012-03-20 09:29

    The fact that the DA managed to approve a 700 capacity mobile school and aim for a three week turn around to get it in place speaks volumes of their efficiency. The situation is no doubt a result of the huge net migration to cape town from the eastern cape, and is exacerbated by the violent and distruptive protests probably arranged by ANC lackies.

      Rudi - 2012-03-20 10:50

      The biggest problem is that there was no propper registration at the schools. 600 more pupils turned up at the start of the term. This left huge problems and the dept of education and public works can not provide schools in such a short turn around time.

      Rudi - 2012-03-20 11:00

      Oh ja and well done to the DA. This is the sort of turn around times we need. Less yada yada more action please.

  • Mouldy - 2012-03-20 09:31

    So, why did we have Apartheid again?

      Silver - 2012-03-20 12:20

      Now there is a very good question.....

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-03-20 17:02

      Good question, Mouldy. To protect a minority against a majority, perhaps? I cannot believe how my mindset has changed over the last five years. And I am sure I am not the only one. With all the hope and faith in the World, it's tough tackies for the likes of moi.

  • btosuffer - 2012-03-20 09:33

    this is the battle of supremacy,physical battles wont solve the problems,but constructive engagement wil do.shame on you all.

  • Grabouwcomnews - 2012-03-20 09:35

    The ANC bussed in a lot of their supporters into Grabouw on Sunday to attend the "march" yesterday. This was definately politically influenced - most of the residents in Grabouw hid in their homes!!! Innocent people got hurt because of this! When is it going to stop!!!! The locals were protecting their schools against the trouble makers (the ones that were bussed in and caused all the chaos!)

      lovenergy - 2012-03-20 09:59

      This is so disgusting seeing dirty political practices mostly associated with deep Africa. We are just the next Zim as political battles to stay in control means more to the ANC than their own people. Good on the Colored population for defending their school

      Johana - 2012-03-20 10:04

      Interesting, and goes just correct with the part of the story where 15 criminals are arrested and released on a warning.

      Jacqui - 2012-03-20 12:08

      I heard a while ago they can only get supporters to fill the busses if they supply free meals and drinks. The ANC have lots of money to spend on futile excercises. Where is Tony Ehrenreich now?.

      Marion - 2012-03-20 12:41

      @Grabouwcomnews - Whilst I won't point fingers at any specific grouping (yet), I do believe that the way these flare-ups are happening countrywide is not by chance. In my opinion there is definitely what could be called a 'third force' at work here.

      Dewald - 2012-03-20 15:39

      Marion - I bet you a bottle of Johhny Walker Blue it is the same 'third force' as with the first 'democratic' elections. I will even give you a tip on my suspect : It begins with an A and ends with a C..

      Dannys - 2012-03-20 16:27

      The ANC seems to have all these groups of people who are just 'bussed in' whenever needed. I wonder how that ties in to JZ's job creation ideology? Do they get paid? Does this make them civil servants? :o)

  • pjcbs - 2012-03-20 09:35

    I think this is not as much of a political issue as it is a social issue.

      Hugo - 2012-03-21 22:48

      pcjbs people on these thread dont like common sense and level headedness,thats why you got the thumbs down.

  • Piet - 2012-03-20 09:35

    Leave them ...They wil sort it out by themselves... Just keep them off the N2.!

      raegan.mcreed - 2012-03-20 10:30

      lol....

  • Johana - 2012-03-20 09:42

    Bad reporting again. Blachs have burnt "their" school, noe they are after the one that is not burnt down. Coloured are protecting that school. Blacks have nothing to protect, as they alredy destroyed one that is closer to them.

      Johana - 2012-03-20 09:43

      Now my bad typing... Blachs - Blacks, noe- now

      Rob - 2012-03-20 10:50

      Yeah, run a spell check next time!

      johncarlos.biza - 2012-03-20 14:20

      Seems like your own school was burnt *j/k*

  • Sika - 2012-03-20 09:43

    Our Government is failing our people...! They spent Billions on the World Cup, They are looting the state.....they throw big parties but cannot build schools?? This is sad state of affairs they got their priorities wrong....!Mr President please show some leadership...all what these people want is decent Education is that too much to ask?

      Stoffel - 2012-03-20 09:57

      You do not grasp the idea of democracy. Please stop complaining to the president and use your vote to make a difference.

      Dee - 2012-03-20 10:03

      Sika - I agree..... and worse is that I strongly suspect that it is in this corrupt govt's interests to keep people ignorant and impoverished. So much easier to keep getting their vote with a handout of a shirt, some food, obsolete songs, a president dancing, endless hollow promises, apartheid blame rhetoric etc etc. HEAVEN FORBID THAT PEOPLE GET EDUCATED AND CAN REASON or THINK INDEPENDENTLY!!!!

      Sika - 2012-03-20 10:24

      yewena Stoffel mhlathi wakho, the President should make sure that his administration delivers...!

      methedex - 2012-03-20 11:46

      your president is corrupt like the rest of the ANC

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-03-20 11:47

      Why would the Government want to educate the masses? The vote is more important to get to keep the ANC in power, if they educate the people, the masses will wise up to the tricks of the ANC and they will never vote for them again.....pretty obvious hey!!!

  • Carlton Bana - 2012-03-20 09:46

    'Project Reclaim' by the ANC, is never going to work.

  • Annette - 2012-03-20 09:47

    The answer is very simple! who started importing people from the Eastern Cape with all sorts of promises to get the demographics right! The anc with the Tuynhuis goat slaughterer, brown envelope premier started all that. His red shirted successor needs whatever he lays his hands on for an excuse to stir up proganda against the DA. What bloody egotiscal fools they are!

      Eric - 2012-03-20 10:01

      Well said.

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-03-20 11:50

      I COMPLETELY AGREE..NEVER MIND THE MAN UP THERE DOES'NT SLEEP.

  • Leon - 2012-03-20 09:49

    Who is behind this. The ANC's racist and apartheid policy.

      raegan.mcreed - 2012-03-20 10:34

      Illuminati...

  • Ad - 2012-03-20 09:54

    If blacks want to disadvantage their kids by burning down their school..By all means do it..but why go to a coloured school and try to do it there? This is definitely politically motivated and also racist of this group to try and take it out on a coloured community. Bet they won't try this on the Cape Flats .

      Vusi - 2012-03-20 12:09

      what kind of a school is defined as "coloured school" in 2012 in SA. It shows that apartheid is alive and kicking in th Westen cape.

      Silver - 2012-03-20 12:33

      Pre 94 apartheid was law. Post 94 it is a choice and a natural one at that.

      Ad - 2012-03-20 12:51

      @ Vusi .By coloured school i mean predominantly coloured ..like khayelitsha is predominantly blacks school area.

      Gary - 2012-03-20 13:17

      u need to stop smokin' those herbs Ad!!!

      Nigel - 2012-03-20 13:33

      @ Vusi same kind as the new Black Business Forum, or the same kind as idiot Malema who said "the ANC is for blacks" , its ok when Blacks are racists, isn't it, but when it doesn't suit you, suddenly you become a hypocrite. b But then again this is the trademark of an ANC supporter.

      Nigel - 2012-03-20 13:37

      This will backfire on the intolerant, racist, ANC.....now they can kiss any remaining colored votes goodbye, only Tony Erenreich will the left, the lone idiot betraying his own people to make sure his pockets are filled by the lying thieves that he so cunningly supports.

      Ad - 2012-03-20 13:43

      Yeah thanks for your contribution "Gary".Typical

  • Mike - 2012-03-20 09:55

    So now we have coloureds going against blacks, last week it was an indian lady, do some reading on what Ghandi had to say about the black people of SA... at some point the black people of SA are going to have to look at themselves and ask 'what are we doing wrong', yes apartheid was bad and yes racism is bad and yes segrogation is bad, but you cant keep blaming everybody else when clearly everybody else has a problem with you. stop playing the victim and start addressing your own downfalls. Ive spent a lot of time in different so called townships, and i always feel safe in any coloured and indian area but never feel safe at all in a black area. Time to wake up majority

      Sabelo Xaba - 2012-03-20 10:25

      You don't feel safe in a black area coz its been reported to have the most crime. But this is a simple case of numbers,,,,, black people are the majority, so statistically they will commit the most crime, have the highest unemployment statistics etc.!! My point is, just because our government sucks, doesn mean you have to be racist to the rest!!! In all these comments you are all blaming blacks, and nowhere on the article does it point to them as instigators!!! You my friend, along with a whole lot of others are still racist, and that's just sad.... Coz ANC aint going nowhere!!!

      Garth - 2012-03-20 10:39

      Sabelo, it is not simply a case of `majority population numbers'. More crimes are committed per capita population, by the blacks in South Africa, than any other race group. That is a fact. There are many mitigating factors: poverty, lack of proper education and over-population being the most prominent causes per capita, but the root cause remains the anc. When the useless, worthless anc acknowledges that the struggle is over and the `freedom fighters' can `come down out of the hills', then we shall be able to reconcile and heal. But in order to do that, the useless, worthless anc has to speak the truth and that will lose them their position of power. Fact.

      Mike - 2012-03-20 10:42

      Now you got it wrong, of any white commentators on this page im the last one you can call racist, my best friend is black, my children are mixed race and ask anybody ive ever worked with thats non white and they will tell you i get on better with other colours than what i do with whites in the work place, known fact about me. But that wont stop me from caling a spade a spade, if you want public sympathy dont destroy and burn everything, if you want that nice school then work for it, dont destroy the one you have, I have the greatest respect for black people that have worked hard for what they have and look after it,but unfortunantly the general african mentality is 'give me give me'.

      Mike - 2012-03-20 11:54

      Ask yourself this, and be honest, why is it that whites, coloureds and indians all get along perfectly fine, but our black brothers cant?

      Vusi - 2012-03-20 12:11

      poor mike there is a difference feeling unsafe and not being safe.u r unfortunately responsible for your own feelings, u can't your feelings on anybody. stop being naive and shalllow-minded.

      Silver - 2012-03-20 12:37

      @Sabelo Xaba: I like you point BUT I have a question for you and you don't have to answer. Question: You and the love of you life are in you TV room just chilling. 4 criminals burst into you room. You know you are in trouble BUT today is your lucky day. You will be attacked, there is no getting around that but you get to chose if the 4 attackers are white or black. Your choice.

      Hugo - 2012-03-21 22:52

      Mike please go to Maneneberg any time.I am sure you'll be safe, trust me:) oh and your friend,the black one,is he aware that you are a closet racist.If this is not racist,invite him to read your comment.

      Hugo - 2012-03-21 22:55

      ask yourself this, and be honest, why is it that whites, coloureds and indians all get along perfectly fine, but our black brothers cant? um I get along with coloureds and Indians,so dont understand what you are on about.Apartheid really damaged you Mike,you even see things that dont exist.

  • Sika - 2012-03-20 09:55

    I blame the DA for this, they prioritised service delievery to those that voted them and neglecting those that didnt vote for them. They thought by doing this that those who did not vote for them will vote for them when they see other places getting service delievery and this is now firing back....DA just deliver to those people and they will have a reason to vote for you...!

      HiJack - 2012-03-20 09:57

      Let me give you that right back. I blame the ANC for bad service delivery in the REST of South Africa. They prioritised service delivery for those that voted for them, and neglected those that PAY THEM ALL THE TAX MONEY THEY RECEIVE. Word mofo.

      Tony Lapson - 2012-03-20 09:58

      Imbecile.

      tom.vorster - 2012-03-20 09:59

      You may be right Sika, but who do you blame for the unrest in Masoyi, Tshabalala, Phola, etc., etc., - all ANC controlled areas - they dont even provide services to the people who DO vote for them.

      Stoffel - 2012-03-20 10:00

      Hell, you are confused. One moment you blame the president, the next moment the DA. This is typical black behaviour. Blaming and complaining instead of doing something constructive and making a difference.

      Eli - 2012-03-20 10:12

      Oh, and Zuma telling the people that if they dont vote for ANC they will go to hell is acceptable. Screw that. The DA is Brilliant, and why should they offer services to people who dont vote for them. Vote for them and they will get the service, dont and they dont! Its like God... You either follow Him and go to Heaven, or you dont follow Him and then pay the consequenses for your choice!

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-20 10:17

      So I presume you also blame the DA for spending the budget again and again on the same things because they get destroyed, but do not have to do it in the brown areas because those people care for their stuff and the next budget can be spend on other things, like schools. You also blame the DA for not getting more/new money from central gov. to build schools because they already had to spend original monies to redo things with and also have to keep up with the influx of new people from areas where there govs cant provide for them and now h'v to move to WC. Thinking of it, it suits central gov. O, yes, the policy of giving services to voters only gets practice in ANC provinces(to maintain support) and not in a province where the opposition try to still impress more to gain more votes. Why is these happenings mostly in areas where more conservative tribal people stay without the highest education and not where the same, but enlightened, people stay? Misusing of groups and intelligence?

      Sika - 2012-03-20 10:18

      @Stoffel you and are the typical know it all white man right? Who is the Government? isn't the DA part of the Government? The President is the leader of the Government administration...! Therefore if anything goes wrong he must show leadership..! I hope you get it now from a Typical Black man..! to all others yes I blame the ANC for all the other protests in their respective municipalities....!

      J.A.Rademan - 2012-03-20 10:51

      Sika, I will bet you R100 000 rand that if the ANC was in power they would have no service delivery in the WHOLE town. Dont try to defend a party that has miserably inadequate track record of service delivery, it makes you look stupid.

      Jacqui - 2012-03-20 12:14

      Sika, you are getting really boring with the same comment over and over again. Geez man read some papers or something and open your mind. If your brothers and sisters have registered their kids like they are suppose to do, none of this would have happened. So don't blame the DA for your fellow countrymen's stupidity. Blame your beloved ANC who need to create havoc to get people's attention.

      Nigel - 2012-03-20 13:38

      @ sika, IDIOT Indlovu !!!

      hilton.baartman - 2012-03-20 16:12

      I agree with Sika here. The DA has to take full responsibility and stop trying to blame everyone else for when they fail. There are previous examples of where the DA sidesteps and blames other forces (See Midvaal saga). Why can't they just ever own up? It's always an excuse. I hate the ANC as much as I hate the DA now, and that's all the DA's fault because 2 years ago I was rooting for them. But it's just been one blunder upon another. If this was all about politics and the ANC trying to make the WC ungovernable, then why aren't there protest everywhere else in other ANC strongholds? Seriously people, it was just poor delivery. The DA is not blemish free so stop trying to make them seem that way. I can't believe so many of you are shooting down Sika in defense of your beloved DA. Jeepers and you call the lot who support the ANC zealous?

  • Yusuf - 2012-03-20 09:57

    It still the same old story if you drive up the N2 most of the ground is occupied (owned) by 'so called whites" while 'so called blacks and coloureds" fight about the crumbs. There has been no real change to uplift these poor communities. And i dont support the ANC OR DA

      Eric - 2012-03-20 10:03

      Hey Yusuf - get your head out of the sand! And who cares who you support?

      faerrab - 2012-03-20 10:05

      You cant be a fence sitter for the rest of your life have some conviction for a change, i you know what the issue is chpoose aside and make a positive difference In reality there are only two influential enough parties - live with it

      Michael - 2012-03-20 10:59

      @yusuf, so true and as long as there is inequality, violent protests and violence generally will continue.

      J.A.Rademan - 2012-03-20 11:09

      WORK for it Yusuf. Instead of burning down the schools, teach the children to be entrepeneurs so that they can better their communites, the cards are so stacked in your favor, but somehow you want to take what does not belong to you. There are a saying that goes something like this "the gold is at your feet but you are too LAZY to bend to pick it up". The original idea of the ANC to take from the rich to give to the poor is not working because there are now a huge amount of black people that have worked for their wealth and are not prepared to give it away, and in 18 + years they have not come up with a different catch phrase as their whole existence as a party is entrenched in this "Robin Hood" fantasy.

      Alison Ling - 2012-03-20 12:18

      I take it everyday you wake up your glass is always half empty!!! If you do not vote you automatically do so you vote ANC your vote one day could be the deciding factor ever think of that!!!

      Jacqui - 2012-03-20 12:18

      Oh really, so in other words all over the place there are signs stating that it is white owned land. So called whites that is. Bro' this is one heck of a dumb comment, no wonder you don't support the Da. But the ANC should be right up your alley. Geez, give me a break.

      hilton.baartman - 2012-03-20 16:26

      I love how some people here assume the ANC and DA are the only political parties to vote for. And Yusuf is right, there is no real change.

      phathuchicos - 2012-03-20 16:39

      spot on...i bet you'll get more dislikes for telling the truth...apartheid was crafted perfectly...non-whites would be busy fighting each other for scarce resources allocated to them while our masters are enjoying fine secure prosperous life in their gated surburbs.

  • placebo.effect - 2012-03-20 09:57

    Black people like to break things when they don't get what they want. Seen throughout history. If they don't get free stuff they go break someone's else's stuff. Probably find the colored school is maintained and a wonderful better school. Black school probably broken down, toilets don't work mirrors all stolen and equipment looted. Blacks got jealous and say its RACIST!! How come they can have nice things!!!! Story of africa told over and over and over and over again.

      Stoffel - 2012-03-20 10:02

      Sadly this statement is the truth

      Sabelo Xaba - 2012-03-20 10:10

      Sadly this comment in uninformed and is just you reinforcing your preconceived perception of black people..... This comment is racist!!! You are part of the reason why this country is going nowhere..

      Eli - 2012-03-20 10:15

      hahahaha. so true. and they did have nice things until they destroyed it themselves. VOTE DA People or STOP complaining about the situation of this country!

      Susan - 2012-03-20 10:18

      Salebo - Have you ever thought about it that people's "ideas about blacks" come from what they experience? I was a fierce "yes voter" all those years ago and over the years it became harder and harder to fight the urge to become a complete racist - after some nasty experiences and after I have lost family members brutally murdered by blacks. I little bit of introspection will go far, there are GOOD reasons for racism and with your hostile attitude you are not going to improve things. Try being gentle for a while; we whites do not mistake gentleness for weakness.

      Sabelo Xaba - 2012-03-20 10:36

      @susan, well shame for you..... All I was trying to make clear hear, is that the problem with all ur comments is none of you are coming up with real solutions. You are using this as an opportunity to show how racist you are!!! I don like our government, they uneducated and racist and everything this country shouldn't be!!! But I sure as hell also don't like racists!!

      Susan - 2012-03-20 10:52

      Salebo - can I quote what Mike said to you in an earlier post: "at some point the black people of SA are going to have to look at themselves and ask 'what are we doing wrong'", What I am trying to say is: Yes, I admit, to my shame, that I am a racist. I am trying not to be one. I am a racist because of my experiences and untill good black people stand up and say "enough! we will not be evil!" instead of "you are a racist" there will be no solutions to the problem. I cannot change my opinion of a people who act like barbarians. THEY have to change and behave civilized!

      J.A.Rademan - 2012-03-20 11:12

      @ Sabelo, at least give us your opinion as to what the problem is?

      Jacqui - 2012-03-20 12:21

      Sabelo black people have only themselves to blame for other's perceptions about them. Now call me a racist and I'll call you one too..

      Nigel - 2012-03-20 13:43

      @ Sabelo, its good that you are opposed to racism, most of us are also against it, but we are so angry & sick & tired of ANC racism & intolerance that we naturally lash out. I will respect you when you speak out against all racism no matter who it is, so when Malema says the ANC is reserved for Black only, or that whites are criminals, I hope that you also speak up.

      johncarlos.biza - 2012-03-20 14:30

      *shaking my head* such small-minded comments above. Being common has nothing to do with the melanin on one's skin. I give up on you lot.

      Hugo - 2012-03-21 23:01

      case of dumb and dumber,just when you think you think you have a winner someone just suprises!I am not sure whether this goes to stoffel or Susan

  • tessa.pennington - 2012-03-20 10:04

    definitely social warfare! strange how this little farming town is constantly making headlines. One could say there are far to many cultures jammed into one small town!

  • Vusi - 2012-03-20 10:05

    I thought coloureds and Indians are defined as blacks when they benefit from AA and BEE, how convenient that they embroiled in turf battles with the battles in Western Cape. The same is coming to KZN, Durban in particular where Indians think they are better than Africans and they rubbish everythin black.

      helen.derobillard - 2012-03-20 10:11

      Racist

      J.A.Rademan - 2012-03-20 11:22

      Fact is, only people before 1995 is regarded as BEE candidates as coloureds and Indians had a chance to vote in the tri-Cameral parlement after 1995. They are therefore not true blacks, the same as when apartheid was in force. As to the racist thing in South Africa everybody hates everybody, even the blacks are now living the apartheid doctrine of make all races hate each other. Only a leader that everybody looks up to will solve the problem. We need another Mandela .....

      Alison Ling - 2012-03-20 12:04

      Have you actually read your comment, you are so full of anger you make no sense!!!

      Nigel - 2012-03-20 13:47

      There goes the last remaining indian votes for the ANC, keep it up Indlovu, soon the Zulus will also stop voting for your corrupt party, all that will be left is the rural people (uneducated) & the intolerant militant thugs & the elite who are riding the gravy train & benefitting from narrow based, racist BEE. The middle class are waking up to the uselessness & thieving ways of the power drunk party.

  • helen.derobillard - 2012-03-20 10:05

    That’s right burn everything down to be rebuild, the mentality of people today is pathetic Burn, build, burn, build at the end still have nothing,just shows if one does not work for what u have it means nothing, given everything for free, the attitude!!! burn it down, no mentality and respect at all, why rebuild to have everything trashed in the end these people do not deserve anthing

      phathuchicos - 2012-03-20 16:41

      you are right they don't deserve anything like your ancestors planned...that's why they are fighting for the little things they managed to grab at the same time...

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-03-20 23:11

      How much did you own when you had (still have) a chief in charge, Azanian? How much of our internal revenue are going to people who collect only for themselves and their families?

  • J.A.Rademan - 2012-03-20 10:13

    It is a known fact that black protesters in SA look at what others have and demand the same for themselves, which is Ok. A person with a political agenda then notices their unhappyness and encourages them to burn and break what little they have, and if you oppose them ,(like the coloured community in Grabou) then there is war. Its happening throughout SA, so the political agenda must be that of a Large political party with a lot of ignorant or gullible members. Guess which one....

  • Dylan - 2012-03-20 10:14

    It's about time that someone stops Blacks from looting and destroying public property!

  • Bongeka - 2012-03-20 10:15

    That's why the world will always have this race issue as a big problem holding us back.Most of the comments in this article don't really solve or give an idea on how do we get rid of this racial burden over our shoulders but just add more fuel on fire. That black people came from the north,they're not adding any value in this country and they're running the country like a Banana repuplic is all irrelavant.Please people,keep your racial opinions to yourselves because innocent people will die for sweet nothing but due to these uncalled for comments. No group is (racially) better than the next in this world.You may claim that superiority but it doesn't exist.Get rid of that hate because it's only consuming you (the hator) inside not me (the hatee).So who is really a stupid between us? I only hate someone because of the wrongs they do not because of their race.So go on and hate me because I happen to belong to this race group you so hate,for what?For being that group,nothing else. Are we building our country?Do we want to see our children,grandchildren and other generations to come living in harmony?Then we have to stop hating each other if we want to see that becoming a reality. LOVE YOU ALL AND GOD BLESS YOU.

      faerrab - 2012-03-20 10:43

      Bongeka - nobody hates nobody and most people are not racist nor do they have superiority complexes, what most readers are trying to grasp is why have black people have become so oprressive and polarised in their thought and deed. So people hate the deed not the person or race. So a taxi driver cutting front of you is an idiot therefore most people hate taxi drivers, his deed is violating the traffic law, it does not matter what colour or creed the taxi driver is you still hate taxi drivers.

      Rob - 2012-03-20 11:12

      Bongeka, I agree that determining who comes from where is not the way to go and running the country like a banana republic is not just a black thing, the anc is responsible for that. Just because the anc is mainly black doesn't mean you must support it. When all races can make a choice of a political party not based on skin colour, then this country will get somewhere. It is your black brothers who are mainly voting anc because it first represents blacks. Who are the actual racists? When south africans can vote according to performance and what is good for the country then we will forget the skin colour the political parties mainly represent. You must admit when certain people start burning buildings, etc, they should not get anyone's sympathy and should be condemned for such actions.

      Alison Ling - 2012-03-20 11:59

      I have to agree with you racism is not only in SA but world wide, it has to change instead of hiding behind race white/black/Indian/coloured/Muslim etc people need to stand up and take responsibility as an individual "person"

      Nigel - 2012-03-20 13:54

      @ Bongeka, I dont hate you, I don't even know who you are, the generalization based on race is not solving anything, just like when Malema says whites are criminals, or that the ANC is only for Blacks (not that we would want to be part of the ANC). Blacks are being racist, just as whites are, but there is one BIG difference, some whites are doing it in an individual private capacity, like at the Gym or on these sites, but the ANC (some Blacks) are institutionalizing it, they are making public racist statements as appointed leaders (malema) & abusing their positions to poison the masses into believing lies that further their own personal quest for power & money.

  • Eli - 2012-03-20 10:18

    We as a country need to unite against this government. DA would do a much better job. The dumb asses in control now, have no clue and no brains. They still have a tribal mentality. So what do you expect. Its not because of apartheid anymore... now its just selfishness, greed and a lack of discipline in this country!

  • Winsome - 2012-03-20 10:20

    Such violence in such a beautiful part of our country. Sad.

  • Vusi - 2012-03-20 10:30

    obvious the DA does not deliver to black people it only cares for whites and coloureds so blacks should burn the coloured schools

      HiJack - 2012-03-20 10:34

      obvious the ANC does not deliver to WHITE people it only cares for BLACKS so WHITES should burn the BLACK schools.

      methedex - 2012-03-20 10:41

      The coloureds should stab all of you!! like trevor noah said. "you gonna learn!!"

      Carin - 2012-03-20 13:59

      Be aware that the residents are not going to sit back and allow you to burn down the Groenberg School!

      Nigel - 2012-03-20 14:01

      you sir are a blind racist sheep!!!!

      Nigel - 2012-03-20 14:03

      the ANC (most blacks) doesn't even care about its own black people, never mind whites, indians & coloreds, then there is the blacks from up north, they care even less about them, thats why they basically treat them like dirt.

  • Johnathon - 2012-03-20 10:31

    Just like Mugabe and the other rotten trash, self serving leaders up north, the ANC Government will stop at absolutely nothing to stay in power. Let the country go up in flames, and deteriorate into a banana republic, typical of 95% of the rest of Africa. All that matters is that the elected , rotten incompetent, , shark s**t stays in power. No matter what filth the ANC resorts to, it has a secured black vote, to keep it in power. Just what is it with so many Africans, when come election times, their brains just turn into melted marshmallows. When will some of the blacks in this country, do something that deserves respect and admiration from the rest of the citizens.

  • Tshepiso - 2012-03-20 10:32

    Most of the people complain that some people are from eastern cape those people you are talking about are african and they have a right to go every were in the country cause they are not settles ....we must stop blaming anc and start giving people service delivery ,apartheid has play a role in dividing people of colour by the colour of they are skin

      Johnathon - 2012-03-20 11:29

      Tshepiso, so very sorry my man, but throwing the race card just indicates what a totally bigoted individual you are. I have zero guilt for any past racist government, as the new government is just as equally racist. The white man was prepared to put racism completely under the table, but the ANC have escalated racism to be a priority in this country, to secure allegiance of the black population. Put you racist comments into your Billy bag, and just throw the whole useless package into the nearest, and fastest flowing stream.

      Alison Ling - 2012-03-20 11:50

      But at some stage apartheid holds no water as it was 18 years ago as the saying goes put the passed behind you, this is the here and now and the ANC has been in power for that long .... so how many more years are they asking for before the people that vote for them realise that their promises are empty. The only ones to blame are actually the people as the Government only make up a handful where as the country make up millions and instead of working for tomorrow everyone is more concerned with yesterday!!!!

      Tshepiso - 2012-03-20 18:04

      this has really shows that most of white people won't change in this country cause when they want your vote we are all equal and they play it nice ,i must tell you thinkertank racism in south africa is like a virus and we must stop pretending and tell it like it is (Apartheid has been for how long in south africa and who have benefit from that system )i don't care if you are blue or green or white racism is a bad thing for our society and if you don't wanna change then find your own planet

  • Sabelo Xaba - 2012-03-20 10:50

    The comments to this story are shocking..... The amount of racism still in this country!! Human beings are interesting creatures!!!

      Bongeka - 2012-03-20 11:16

      You can say that again Sabelo.It's shocking.What do we do to calm the situation down and make people not to see or act through skin colour line?And people should stop painting everybody with the same brush just because they belong to the same race group.PLEASE.

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-03-20 12:24

      @Sabelo, I'm white, and I agree it is a sad situation..wish there was a way to rid S.A of the racism. The problem is not so much with us ..but the people out there..how do you unite a country. I think the answer lies in the leadership of government..they need to set the example. When MANDELA was president..I truly believe all South Africans came together then... there was less racism 15 years ago..all because Mandela made a point of doing things that brought us all closer (like the rugby Wcup).. but our current leaders seem to fall short in this area.MALEMA being a good example of this..why do you think most whites dislike him so? It's his racist remarks that cause the problem. It's not going to get better until a future leader understands this and will be prepared to set the example again. We need each other to make this land prosper.

      Eli - 2012-03-20 13:21

      I agree guys. The problem lies in our leaders. Cause when Mandela was president, Sho, the entire country was one, and things were looking great. But with Julius, and Zuma and all the other terrible leaders that are rascist themselves towards whites, the example to the youth is not very encouraging. Bring in the smart black leaders now. The ones that have moved on past apartheid and race. I have many awesome black friends. With our current leaders, things will never change. DA has some seriously smart balck future leaders. They are smarter than most white people. These are the people we need as leaders. Not the tribal mentality of the older generation. Not the blacks who accuse other blacks of wanting to be white, just because they are trying to be decent and live better lives. Its ridiculous man. Why not let your people prosper, why accuse them of nonsense. Zuma and Malema are the most rascist people in this country! so why not let us start with them!

      Nigel - 2012-03-20 13:56

      you can start by condemning racist statements made by the ANC & its YL, do that & I will respect you.

      Jacqueline - 2012-03-22 07:02

      Now this is a constructive conversation. A start at least. Our leadership is the problem. That is a certainty, but how do we change it before it is too late? When the new, race blind guys come into power, the damage will have been done and it will take them most of their lives to reverse it.

  • Jeffrey - 2012-03-20 11:24

    When we comment on situation, social political, we tend to address it based on element of discrimination. the situation there has got nothing to do with black or coloured but public needs. Wake up and smell coffe, in 1980's we had a witch hunt situation, innocent ppl burnt to ashes labelled witches. the situation prolonged and turned into blacks facing the then govt. remember xenophobia, foriegner suffered because of govt' poor service and empty promises. now back to grobouw, if the govt provide to public expectation, do you think the will be Black and Coloured pointing fingers, who is the culprit in this regard, GovZUMA.A little flame can swallow A city. watch out. CIVIL WAR. CRY BLOOD MY AFRICA

      Eli - 2012-03-20 13:40

      Jeffery, i am a white man, and i stand with you my brother. I was born african, and i will never run away. But we all need to stand together and force the current Government out of power and force a new, intelligent leader in. One that has moved past Apartheid and Rascism. Do you agree or not?

  • Vlam - 2012-03-20 11:24

    The lack of trust in government leadership, blatant disregard of responsibilities to voters and the citizens well being in this new democratic country of ours is causing people to feel disheartening ,frustrated and unsure.leaderless and also a perception of left out in the cold.The government is more and more involved with blatant illegal self enrichment schemes than trying to assist and advice the man on street to belief in hope. Hope for a better future for all under a competent and honest government leadership.This current government cannot install any security in the country's citizens for the last few years.When the masses cannot be fooled anymore by empty lies and false faces it will start to create cracks in our democratic foundations, which is already starting to happen.A strong healthy nation is governed by a strong healthy government.Something that is currently amiss in our beautiful land and need to be corrected for our childrens future.

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-03-20 23:25

      Sorry, Vlam. When I see the citizens shouting, half drunk, with four or more children tugging at their sleeves for attention - I consider this less a Government problem, but a citizen problem. Remember the toilet saga? If I received a toilet for nothing, I would find a way to cover it. If I was hungry, I would take the bread and eat it, and not demand butter and jam. Authors: Please note - we need a book written, "Who are they and how did they get here?" This entire saga is a two-way street. Education and understanding is the only route out of this mess.

  • amattheyse - 2012-03-20 11:25

    It should not matter what colour these people are, protesting in this manner won’t help the situation at all. Yesterday however people were stopped from going to work - I don’t want to know how many people lost there jobs cause of this, schools damaged – all the school children lost a day of education (2nd day this month), streets are damage, telephone booths are ripped from the ground, widows broken all for what? This is going to cost so much more to repair / restore than it could have. It was a reasonable and simple request, more classrooms. Who are we to stop children from being educated? Now the tax payers’ money is going to be used to repair the damage where instead it could have been used to add to the education of Grabouw. All that is left is the smoke burning from the streets and silence as if today was just a normal day. How hard could it be to give these kids what is only there right.

      Alison Ling - 2012-03-20 11:35

      If it is the case that they were asking for additional classrooms why have thing spiralled out of control and why has it become a case of black agains colour should this not be a fight that should be directed at the government and the Department of Education.

      Eli - 2012-03-20 12:46

      But it does matter, because it is always and only the blacks that protest and carry on like animals destroying property and throwing trash all over etc. So the colour does matter, because there are many decent, well educated blacks who probably look at this and think, its terrible. and the ones that are carrying on like animals give the rest a bad name! Like germans that think Hitler was evil and disgusting for all that he did. same thing. Get it??

  • Darryl - 2012-03-20 11:37

    Nice to lead by example.....and you wonder why South Africa is in such a mess when the youth have this example to follow? Am not surprised myself.

  • Jacqui - 2012-03-20 11:53

    The ANC is stirring up a crock of nasty smelling stuff and causing problems and the blacks follow their master's voice. The ANC so badly wants to get rid of the DA that even in peaceful places like Grabouw they start stirring and creating a mess. So they burn down classrooms and throw stones at passing motorists and burn tyres. Probably following Blade Nzimande's footsteps, after all his only struggle deed was burning down a library.

  • Eli - 2012-03-20 12:34

    I cannot believe the stupid people in this country. Seriously, why vote ANC and then moan for 4 years about how terrible they are, then pre elections, Zuma starts to promise this and that, and then all you idiots get sucked in... and you vote the same party in again. and now, you sit moaning for the next 4 years. Stop voting ANC. They will never change. Things will only get worse. If you want to see a change, you have to be that change. So vote for DA and lets get this country right again! The way it was always meant to be before the boere stuffed it up with their hatred towards black people. I love all races. I do not see colour, But i am not blind and can see that Zuma and his cronies are up to no good. At least get an educated Young Black person into power. Not young and dumb like Malema. There are young, intelligent black men and women out there. So we as the people should start standing up and demanding our rights to freedom and democracy!

  • Farmfreund - 2012-03-20 12:44

    Sounds like there will be a "bring and braai" tonight, bring your own firestone tyre a case of beer and a panga

  • lezanne.kruger - 2012-03-20 13:11

    I think one of the biggest problems in this country is a serious lack of discipline. If we had laws as strict as china and the death penalty here people wouldn't dare be so destructive or unruly. Unfortunately letting the people run rampant wins the government votes so it wont change any time soon...

  • Eli - 2012-03-20 13:11

    Ok, instead of fighting and being rascist, why dont we all rather come up with a genuine solution. Why dont we all run a weekend rally at the Stadium, where we can discuss things and come to a conclusion. Together we can make a difference, Black, White, Coloured, Idian, Chinese, Congolese, or whatever... we can make the change if we stand as one and stop this rascism bullcr@p. I hate Rascism. Many good friends of mine are black, coloured, chinese, and Congolese. This country is the way it is because the Government is corrupt. That does not mean all blacks are corrupt. We need to stand and force this whole government out and bring in some educated black people to run the ANC, or vote DA who does have very intelligent black people on their staff. I do blame aparheid for many of the uneducated people. But that has nothing to do with this country anymore. Its been 19 years. So there is no more excuse. Oh and why don't all you women out there Stop having babies if you cannot afford them. You are perpetuating the problem. Go get sterilized or something! We must stand together and force the change, otherwise Zuma and his cronies will continue destroying this country!

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-03-20 15:51

      @ Eli, you are so eager to give pointers in order to correct the wrongs Eli....I tried my friend to do the same.....but it is most unfortunate people seem set in their beliefs, particularly some of the black guy's.All we can hope for is a leader that will be respected by all who can demonstrate a multi racial stand point.I suppose that is kind of a tall order hey!!

  • Nigel - 2012-03-20 13:29

    the "blacks" are ANC supporters & hate the coloreds because they refuse to be sheep & vote for the corrupt, selfish, elitist ANC that doesn't even care about blacks, its not wonder they got their ass kicked out of the WC.

      Hugo - 2012-03-21 23:08

      *throws hands in the air and goes to sleep*

  • Tshepiso - 2012-03-20 13:32

    if you still think that every black person is a criminal or stupid then my friend you are very lost cause this is 2012 and some people really need to grow up cause in crime the is no colour skin ,is amazing that most of the people commenting is this block call themselves christian and go to church every sunday but still big racist people in the world ...change your attitude and your thinking and south africa will be a better country ,stop judging people by the colour of there skin cause we are all the same in the eyes of GOD

      helizna - 2012-03-21 16:52

      I always ask people: who does the crime in white countries? Crime knows no colour!

  • Eli - 2012-03-20 13:44

    here is a question for all races... Are there whites out there that are not racist? Are there any blacks out there who are not racist? Are there Coloureds and Indians out there that are not racist? Now, are the any blacks who think the leaders of our country are up to no good? Are there whites and coloured and indians out there that believe an intelligent black leader could make this country a better place? Please Answers these questions, and let me know what race you are etc and your honest feelings about rascism and our Government! Thanks

  • Clive - 2012-03-20 13:53

    Let's not forget that it was the ANC that "encouraged" many thousands of black people from the E Cape to move to the W Cape to be used as voting fodder. And then it was the ANC and an ANC/Nat coalition that did nothing for those people for ten years or so. Now the same ANC is getting those same people to rise up because a DA government has not yet been able to undo the mess left by Rasool and his cohorts. Definitely a political conspiracy and the ultimate in hypocrisy.

  • hilton.baartman - 2012-03-20 14:10

    I'm no ANC supporter but some of you pro-DA lot here are just plain daft. 1. Urbanization is NOT unique to Cape Town. 2. The DA is not engaging community to find a solution but rather they are simply dodging the issue conveniently on politics. Weird that is, since the DA are quick to point out non service delivery when it comes to other parties. 3. Cape Town is very racially divided. I'm a so called Coloured and the scars of Apartheid can be seen everywhere. My friends still refer to fellow blacks wiht the K word and this is common. It was only a matter of time before something like this happened. The DAs delivery in poorer areas is way too slow. OH and PS, it's not just Black Africans that are getting a raw deal, ask those from Hangberg what Zille did to them. DA, ANC, same poop, different fart.

      rlmbennett - 2012-03-21 20:57

      Hilton you say that you've lived "almost" all your life on the Cape Flats. Well I've lived "all" my life on the Cape Flats and I disagree with most of your utterances. During the apartheid years Cape Town's white citizens were regarded as the most liberal in the country, and that, my dear friend hasn't changed much. I remember very clearly prominent whites and coloureds risking imprisonment and worse by taking an anti-apartheid stance. I regarded myself as "black". Me and my mates always had a yearning to make meaningful contact with "black africans", but because of the racial laws of the time this was next to impossible. So when liberation came in 1994 we thought that now things would normalise, there'd be integration and harmony. It was not to be. Reverse racism reared its ugly head the moment Madiba stepped down as the President of the country. Government forms started asking you to state your race again, my children started asking me what made you coloured or white or black. The ANC government itself started emphasising race again. I was made to feel like the outsider again. I was told that I'm not "black", but "coloured", by the goverment! Furthermore I discovered (it took me long time to admit it) that besides the difference in appearance between "coloureds" and "blacks" there was a HUGE cultural difference, and it seems that the ANC is exploiting this cultural differences for its own ends. What am I and likeminded people to do?Do we just stick with our "own kind"?

  • hilton.baartman - 2012-03-20 14:13

    And it is beyond sad that school's are now being racially subdivided. The tone of the article pronounces the racial undertones that I see every day in WC. A 'coloured' school, really? A 'black' school, really?

      Clive - 2012-03-20 15:00

      Don't forget, Hilton, that it was Malema and Manyi's racist utterings that lost the ANC the province in the last elections. There is, sadly, still racism all around.

      hilton.baartman - 2012-03-20 15:54

      @Clive, forget about Malema and Manyi. I'm talking about the average guy on the street in Cape Town. Nothing has changed. I've lived on the Cape Flats almost all my life. I know what I'm talking about. I'm telling you what I'm seeing with my very own eyes EVERY day, not something made up. I hate racism of all kinds. Black on white, white on black, coloured on black, black on indian...ALL kinds but see the problem with pro DA folk is that they want to blame this on Malema and the ANC when that is simply not the real reason behind all of this. I don't condone Malema nor Manyi, but neither can I sit and watch how so many people fool themselves saying there is no racism amongst racial groups in Cape Town. That's just blatantly lying to yourselves. Seriously. The first step to solving the problem is to admit you have a problem. The longer the DA denies that there is a serious racial problem in Cape Town, the longer it will take for it's people to live in harmony with each other.

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-03-20 23:41

      No one is in denial, Hilton. We all know what is going on. We are all trying to get along along, but sometimes the person is to "foreign" to connect. That can happen in any community, despite or because of your skin colour. The fact is that the DA has to rely on revenue from the "New Masters" and they better bloody box clever if they don't want to sit with a deficit or a law suit. People are being bussed in from EC - that is a fact. I promise you one thing: their colour doesn't matter. I would also tie myself in a knot if a bunch of people got dumped on my doorstep with little to add but more hardship in my community. We have a bunch of really impoverished Whites living in our area. Now if only I could afford a couple of busses...I am sure they would be thrilled to move to WC.

  • Joe - 2012-03-20 14:13

    My word..how the ANC have messed with us Capies is just amazing..! I know Grabouw, for many many years I have known the area, and say what you like, there have NEVER been any blacks there until the ANC started pumping black people into the Western Cape to try and win votes. They don’t give a rats rectum what the history of the area is, what the local white and coloured people (who have lived there for generations) want..THEY JUST DON'T CARE..!!! Of course there will be conflict, conflict of cultures. The coloureds in the area are humble and well mannered. They have lived in harmony with the farmers in the valleys for hundreds of years. They share culture and religion and all that stuff that builds communities. They don’t understand the “lets burn it down” culture..WTF..? There won’t be harmony in Grabouw or any other “camp” which has been quickly slapped into an area along the N2, Garden route or any other ‘refugee type squatter camp’ just for the sake of the ruling party’s fear of the D.A. ..CATCH A WAKE-UP PEOPLE..!!!

  • Kevin - 2012-03-20 14:48

    Give this coloured community 2 thumbs up...they're protecting their rights and property from this parasitic nation of miscreants who want/demand ad lib yet destroy what little they have!!!Show the rest of us SA Minorities they way things should be done african style since thats the only justice they understand...meet fire with fire/stone with stone etc

      Pixie86 - 2012-03-22 07:27

      kevin your generalisations shows your ignorance!