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Gran guns down son, smothers grandson

2011-04-20 09:20

Pretoria - A Centurion grandmother on Tuesday afternoon allegedly gunned down her son and smothered her 2-year-old grandson.

She then presumably slit her wrists and tried to hang herself over the bath.

A security guard at the Valley View luxury complex in Kosmosdal, Samrand, made the gruesome discovery and saved the woman's life. The complex was opposite the Blue Valley golf estate.

The woman was flown to a local hospital via Netcare helicopter - she was in a critical condition, said Netcare 911 spokesperson Jeff Wicks.

Police spokesperson captain Thomas Mufamadi said the bodies of the 30-year-old man and his two-year-old son were found on Tuesday afternoon in their home in Pimpinella Close.

The man was shot in the head. A cartridge was found near his body, said Mufamadi.

According to reporters, the man was found dead in his bed while the boy was found dead in his pram. The pram stood in the passage near the bathroom.

Mufamadi said he couldn't confirm the child's cause of death because he had no "visible injuries". Reporters learnt reliably that he had presumably been smothered.

The grandmother was found in the bath, a few metres from where the little boy was discovered,. The woman, identified by residents as Carrie Chanpappas, presumably slit her wrists and tried to hang herself in the bath after murdering her son and grandson.

Chanpappas, whose age was not known, was a member of the upmarket complex's governing body.

The security guard, who apparently heard the shot, found Chanpappas and removed the rope from her neck, laying her down in the bath. This was where paramedics found her.

Residents of the complex, who didn't want to be named, said the mother of the boy "just dropped him there because she wanted nothing to do with the child".

"She (Chanpappas) had to raise the child," said a resident.

Reporters couldn't confirm this allegation by late on Tuesday night.

Mufamadi said a case of murder was being investigated. It was not known if police had found the firearm with which the man had been shot.

This incident was the third family murder in less than a week.

In the other two family murders reported on by Beeld earlier this week, warrant officer Daniƫl Olifant, 40, on Friday night in Bloemfontein shot dead his mistress, Shirley Scharneck, 39, and her two children Zanele, 9, and Zwelinzima, 5, before killing himself.

Their wounded brother, Thami, 13, later died in hospital.

On Monday the bodies of David Theron, 58, and his wife Cornel, 39, and daughters Mikaila, 8, and Cara, 6, were found in his bakkie near their farmhouse outside Richmond in the Northern Cape.

Theron presumably shot all four in the head.

Comments
  • Galero - 2011-04-20 09:25

    Sad!

  • Flee - 2011-04-20 09:25

    Horrible horrible horrible...

  • ReThan - 2011-04-20 09:32

    The worlds coming to and end! R.I.P

      avaricesa - 2011-04-20 10:10

      There have been end of the world predictions almost every year, they never happen.

      paulf - 2011-04-20 10:24

      Go see for yourself on the following links. www.bible.ca/d-judgement-day.htm www.ebiblefellowship.com/may21

      avaricesa - 2011-04-20 10:32

      http://www.randi.org/encyclopedia/appendix3.html

      Currie_Mafia - 2011-04-20 10:33

      People, the world ain't ending anytime soon...the taxman won't allow it ! :-)

      Redwine - 2011-04-20 10:35

      World has been here for ever. Saw dinos come and go and might see us come and go and if my info is correct great chance cockroaches will survive it all and take over. Anyway 21st will come every month for a hell of a long time as long as we care to record it.

      TerraFic - 2011-04-20 10:45

      Sorry ReThan, my fairytale book says different!!

      NuttyZA - 2011-04-20 11:01

      Paulf... don't forget it's Star Wars day first... May the 4th be with you!!!! Think you are going to be one very dissapointed puppy come 22nd October!!!

      GT - 2011-04-20 11:06

      Paulf - what are you going to do if you are wrong. Of course, if I am wrong I am f-cked forever. At least I get to spend eternity with like minded people. Now if you are wrong, you have to face an completely uncertain future in a place were everyone who once thought you were a little bonkers, now knows it is true.

      jowza - 2011-04-20 11:28

      give me all your posessions before the world ends

      avaricesa - 2011-04-20 11:29

      Sad that it seems you people actually want the end of the world to come

      VM1 - 2011-04-20 11:32

      @Utossa Boet you are a tosser and a moegoe - your thinking process belongs in Orania

      Phlegm - 2011-04-20 11:45

      @paulf, damn according to the one website Jesus is going to judge everyone!!! Well at least the world wont end that day, I am sure the "court case" will take decades or even centuries, there are like 6 billion of us to be judged!

      SoulF - 2011-04-20 15:52

      Oh ya Paul what a wealth of evidence you have there to support your claim.

  • marsupelami - 2011-04-20 09:35

    Why would she slit her wrists and hang herself? Why not shoot herself? I smell a rat. They were probably murdered and made to look like gran did it. As for the theron family, i suspect its another farm murder,it doesnt make sense that all of them were found dead in the bakkie, if he shot one the others would have had chance to escape etc. or atleast get out of the bakkie.

      Bratt - 2011-04-20 09:46

      well she would certainly have to be a rather strong granny to slit her wrists AND then manage to use same hands to hang herself. The fact that the gun has as yet to be found is also a little worrying.

      DW - 2011-04-20 12:10

      @Bratt - the article only states "It was not known if police had found the firearm with which the man had been shot", not that the gun was yet to be found. She could actually have slit her wrists AFTER putting the noose around her neck to speed things up, knowing that the gunshot could have been heard (which it was) and she could be found before she died. Lots of speculation. Let the law take its course and find the real truth.

      daaivark - 2011-04-20 13:25

      Don't be ridiculous. Please. Not every crime in this country is a farm killing. Jeez!

      daaivark - 2011-04-20 13:26

      @ Bratt. Engage brain before writing. DW makes the point very clearly.

      Optimus - 2011-04-20 14:05

      This is an obvious genocide.

      lekomonisi - 2011-04-21 06:16

      @Marsupelami murdered by who? at times you are made to think that only "black" people commit such acts but just pay attention to the kind of crimes committed by "whites" and you will realize that there are no holy cows here, crime is crime and how is the Porn gran and her family doing?

  • Rob - 2011-04-20 09:38

    Sick!

  • dean369@24.com - 2011-04-20 09:40

    WHat the hell! Why save her just to prosecute her!

      braveinternetguy - 2011-04-20 10:11

      What if she hadn't done it?

      MJ84@24.com - 2011-04-20 12:00

      You do not know what happened. Do not judge before knowing all the facts.

  • Janine - 2011-04-20 09:42

    What an awful story. Too many guns out there.

      JOHNNYBRAVO - 2011-04-20 09:50

      many more people get killed by cars, knives, hammers, shovels etc. when are you banning them? it is the person behind whatever gets used that is the problem!!

      Neil - 2011-04-20 10:25

      Why blame the gun? Did it jump up out of a safe and shoot someone? I agree with JOHNNYBRAVO. Why not ban swimming pools as well? People drown in them too...

      Neil - 2011-04-20 10:25

      Why blame the gun? Did it jump up out of a safe and shoot someone? I agree with JOHNNYBRAVO. Why not ban swimming pools as well? People drown in them too...

      freedom - 2011-04-20 10:28

      Its not the guns thats the problem but the criminals, remove the guns and they will find other means! how about pangas this is Africa Janine

      sbouttell - 2011-04-20 10:51

      No - just to many idiots and wierdo's.

      Wendy - 2011-04-20 11:17

      Not enough in the rights hands too amny in the wring hands

      hf44083 - 2011-04-20 11:31

      @wendy - what have you been smoking girl amny ?? wring ?? hope you don't own a gun

      daaivark - 2011-04-20 13:27

      Indeed Neil, why not..... lol

      Janine - 2011-04-20 14:16

      I stand by what I said - if you don't own a gun then you can't shoot anybody. If there is only lying around then you might just be tempted in certain circumstances.

      Janine - 2011-04-20 14:17

      Oops - meant "one" lying around.

      2centsworth - 2011-04-21 12:32

      Seeing as we blaming everything,ban mosquito's...too many people get killed by malaria...

  • Mauritz Swanepoel - 2011-04-20 09:43

    Wait this doesnt make sense. If the cause of the boy's death was not known yet, it is highly likely that the dad could have smothered the child and the gran, seeing this, shot him? Or something? Heaven knows how does this kind of thing happen?

      DW - 2011-04-20 09:52

      So he smothered the child whilst sleeping in bed? Dont jump to conclusions. It was just this type of jumping to conclusions based on bad reporting which made everyone support the "father whose daughter was raped" who subsequently turned out to be the exact opposite. Let the law take its course

  • Currie_Mafia - 2011-04-20 09:43

    WTF is happening to people ?!!! Murders,rapes & other crimes are becoming all too common... No more ethics, values & morality in society anymore.

  • likealot - 2011-04-20 09:44

    SICK..SICK..SICK Nothing on earth should cause anybody who has problems, to take the lives of other people, in order to solve your problems. I hope she rots in jail! This goes for the Bloemfontein murders as well.

      Clint - 2011-04-20 11:13

      Please refer your comments to the facts. This still needs to be established.

  • Mike Webber - 2011-04-20 09:48

    Absolutely shocking !!!

  • Peter - 2011-04-20 09:55

    Yeah i'd have a closer look at this one.Definitely fishy to me. I think someone else is behind this, not the grandmother

      BabyB - 2011-04-20 10:47

      I also suspect some fishy business here...gran slit her wrists than still had the energy to reach high up and hang herself?? Did she swallow the gun?? Why didn't she shoot herself also?

  • zulufox - 2011-04-20 09:59

    some mean gran...

  • artpaper - 2011-04-20 10:03

    You are right Swanepoel. Things don't add up here or in the car murders, I would like to hear the whole story first before judgement can be passed and comments made.

  • avaricesa - 2011-04-20 10:07

    Down the road from me, slightly worrying :/

      DW - 2011-04-20 11:50

      I am open to correction but I think this is the same complex where, a number of years ago, there was a murder and the person was chopped up and put in the bath. Centurion sounds like a scary place to live...

      avaricesa - 2011-04-20 12:53

      I honestly don't know, never heard of that one. Though, Centurion is not that bad.

  • MactheKnife - 2011-04-20 10:08

    Man what is going on in this world, why kill family members. Maybe just check up on the mother of the little boy, she chucked him there didnt she.

  • Will99 - 2011-04-20 10:15

    Siek!!!

  • AZATAR - 2011-04-20 10:17

    wow this is crazy!!!!!!why dragg the whole family on ur own suicide, hope the suiciders rott in hell.

  • AZATAR - 2011-04-20 10:19

    wow this is crazy!!!!!!why dragg the whole family on ur own suicide, hope the suiciders rott in hell.

  • Cyril - 2011-04-20 10:27

    Jurre. Malemaphobia is driving everyone NUTS!!!

  • nathang247 - 2011-04-20 10:27

    Very sad, may ever lasting light shine upon them, may they rest in peace.

  • My5cents - 2011-04-20 10:40

    A 2 year old who will never grow up. Three children in Bloem and two little girls whose lives were cut short - innocents who never had a chance at life. Why cannot adults sort out their own problems and just leave the kids out of it?

  • My5cents - 2011-04-20 10:41

    A 2 year old who will never grow up. Three children in Bloem and two little girls whose lives were cut short - innocents who never had a chance at life. Why cannot adults sort out their own problems and just leave the kids out of it?

  • Faerie - 2011-04-20 10:43

    What happened to my comment posted ??

      paulmandlankosi - 2011-04-20 11:02

      Deleted

      Janine - 2011-04-20 14:19

      If it was deemed abusive then it will hav been deleted.

  • Nigel - 2011-04-20 10:44

    Eish..this evil spirit is going on..

  • Faerie - 2011-04-20 10:46

    @Mactheknife.... You have a very good point there. It is very mysterious that the grandmother, after committing the deed,first slit her wrists then tried to hang herself in the bath. What did she use & to what did she secure the "rope" to, or whatever? Nevertheless, it still remains very sad that poor innocent little babes & children should have to pay the price for adult insanity. I hope she recovers and if she is innocent then find the culpret, but if found guilty let her rot!!

      Tamzien - 2011-04-20 12:53

      Rope tired to bathroom curtain rail that is what I heard yesterday on EWN. As for how could she cut her wrist and hang herself I think it is not as complicated as people think. 1 put the rope around ur neck 2 slit you wrist 3 jump off what ever you are using as support. (please do not use this as a blue print for you own attempts. I just could not live with myself) ;) Is it just me or do people find something suspicious with the two murders in this article and neglect the other. Now what do the suspicious murders have in common that the non suspicious one does not have. *Hilarious*

      brown_bread - 2011-04-21 06:53

      @Tamzien, that way, their selective memories and conclusions will stick. One sees what they want to you know...

  • Caeser - 2011-04-20 10:46

    Our Father! Hallowed be Thy Name! Thy Kingdom Come! Everything You mentioned is coming to pass. Let us be ready to dine with You! Amen!

      paulmandlankosi - 2011-04-20 11:03

      Fairy tale again

      jowza - 2011-04-20 11:30

      dont you have money for your own food

      Tamzien - 2011-04-20 12:54

      @Jowza money for you own food. Clas"sick

      Tamzien - 2011-04-20 12:55

      your=you

      daaivark - 2011-04-20 13:30

      OK that is very adult and helpful.

  • jdeeathome - 2011-04-20 10:53

    hows the mother not wanting her own child, the gran presumably kills her own son and smothers her grandchild???? sound seriously like a disfunctional family, perhaps drug related or just plain whack jobs

  • jowza - 2011-04-20 10:57

    nice to see no racial comments here.hope to see same when people of other races face similar tragedies

      Uhuru - 2011-04-21 12:03

      extacly my thoughts. when non-blacks commit horribles crimes, no one blames the black ruling party for the high levels of crime. be fair-minded people.

  • GT - 2011-04-20 11:03

    Charlie Foxtrot

  • Ockert - 2011-04-20 11:03

    Maybe it's an outside job ?, the farmer as well ?, maybe the "Kill the B" is sinking in ?

      Ockert - 2011-04-20 11:07

      ? to many "suicides" happening of late ??, There may just be a third force behind all this ??? ala JM ?

      zulufox - 2011-04-20 11:10

      or maybe the boers are losing it...

  • Barry - 2011-04-20 11:04

    Guns don`t kill people. People kill people.

      MM - 2011-04-20 11:23

      thats so thoughtful and original...its so Barry White...resounding thought...

      jowza - 2011-04-20 11:32

      is it

      daaivark - 2011-04-20 13:31

      With guns they have acquired.

  • Deon - 2011-04-20 11:07

    To Paulf - ?!ne!

  • Wendy - 2011-04-20 11:17

    Sick. Take your own miserable life but don't take innocent children with you.

  • micki - 2011-04-20 11:18

    If they could'nt find the gun, what proof have they got that "Gran gun down son, grandson,2". Any fingerprints on the unfound gun? Gunpowder on her hands? Why do you newspaper reports always assume. Leave it to the police to solve. "Gran found alive in bath, son found shot, and 2 year old grandson found dead in pram" - too much for a heading, or won't it draw any attention?

      The horse - 2011-04-20 11:48

      Micki, maybe i ask you if you have being on tik or crack? what you want to suggest is that it not possible that the white lady her family? your racism is making me sick. this is not the first incident this month where a white person killed themselves and their families. the welkom white also killed his one of his own, stop this white perfection nonsense mentality. when blacks kill one another, we are called animals

      The horse - 2011-04-20 11:50

      your micky mouse

      mike - 2011-04-20 13:33

      @the horse - maybe I'm missing something but where does racism come into it turdbrain?

      daaivark - 2011-04-20 13:33

      Horse. This is NOT a political issue. Take off those blinkers, Boet.

      Garth - 2011-04-20 15:24

      Wow!!! Horse's ass maybe!

  • jenny.presto1 - 2011-04-20 11:26

    To:avaricesa don't be misled, all that tells you is that we are getting closer and closer and believe me it's coming to an end.

      avaricesa - 2011-04-20 11:30

      Ok, give me some proof, PLEASE

      avaricesa - 2011-04-20 12:50

      I'm not allowed proof?

      daaivark - 2011-04-20 13:33

      Closer to what?

  • jenny.presto1 - 2011-04-20 11:27

    avaricesa Don't be misled just because it has not happened yet ... It's still coming

  • MJ84@24.com - 2011-04-20 11:57

    R.I.P a terrible loss!

  • MJ84@24.com - 2011-04-20 11:59

    @News24 why was this title used "Gran guns down son, grandson, 2" firstly you do not know what happened, secondly one shot does not constitue as been "gunned down" and thirdly from this title you would assume both had been multiply shot by the gran. G-d bless the victims*

  • Hannes van der Linde - 2011-04-20 12:05

    My daughter turns 2 next month. This story is horrifyingly revolting and gut wrenchingly awfull. I cannot even ponder the state of mind of a person that posesses such inhumane cruelty. May God forgive her.

  • Paul - 2011-04-20 12:09

    Too scared to blow her own brains out. Coward.

  • The horse - 2011-04-20 12:17

    i must say i am really moved by the comments made today, except for the comment from micki mouse, if only people would comment to all reports in this manner then that is the first step forward

  • Fikile - 2011-04-20 12:22

    I'm very sad, what could drive this person to have done this. My take is the father smothered the child the gran shot the father and she would not be able to live with the pain, sad, very sad. and if the world is coming to an end should we not feel compassion for one another, not mock or bully even on the internet.

      Janine - 2011-04-20 14:22

      Complete speculation! Why not wait until all the facts are known before making up a total fairy story?

  • lizmar.malan - 2011-04-20 12:33

    My guess is : Mother of child walks in - shoots dad, smother baby and leave. Grandma returns from shop - find her dead son and grandson, the pain is too much and she tries to kill herself, because she can't bear living without them.

      Janine - 2011-04-20 14:22

      More wild speculation!

  • The horse - 2011-04-20 12:36

    an Urgent Plea to ALL parents, please please if you are tired of living and have seen and done it all please i beg you not to kill the children, imagine if the kids had to tell how they were murdered by their parents: "i was born here, i lived my short life here, and when i was 2years old, my Dad decided that he didn;t want to live anymore and decided to take rest of the family with him or Grandmother did n't want to share her pension money with us and decided to kill us all.

  • matlock - 2011-04-20 12:38

    Terrible whichever way you look at it. Although my favourite part is: "Reporters learnt reliably that he had presumably been...."....nothing like a reliable presumption!

      daaivark - 2011-04-20 13:35

      Yip. Presumptuous.

  • The horse - 2011-04-20 12:49

    the political version please: the Granma was watching Tv and upon hearing Motlante 's defence of the hate song that is part of the heritage, thought if the killing of the boers is their heritage we are all as good as dead, i may so maar kill them self and hang myself.

  • OzzyInSA - 2011-04-20 12:51

    @Paulf, the first website you gave has no reference to specifica dates. As for the second..... This can be debunked by the first date. Where in the Bible does it state that the World and Adam and Eve were "created" in 11,013BCE? The Bible says to not speculate as we do not know the day or the hour. Even Jesus said he did not know. All that we do know is that we are living in the "last days". In Matthew Jesus also says that the "And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14) This preaching is being carried out but still has time to go. There are plenty of other references in the Bible to things that must occur before the "end" (which, btw, does not mean destruction of the earth). The book of Revelation is full of the signs and this ties in with prophecies in Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekial and others. And one question for you, where does the word/term "Rapyure" appear in the Bible? I'll answer that for you. IT DOES NOT.

  • Nic - 2011-04-20 13:08

    This was a friend of ours rest in peace Vovo

  • Hennie - 2011-04-20 13:10

    No matter how you look at it, for a person to do this to their own family means they've really lost their compass. Taking your own life is one thing but taking those of others without them being able to have a say is reprehensible at best.