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Grim details of Lindley murders emerge

2011-05-25 22:11

Bloemfontein - Wilmien, the 2-year-old daughter of Free State farmer Attie Potgieter, had a cut to her head caused by a sharp instrument and then she was shot dead.

This was the evidence the Free State High Court heard on Wednesday when six men accused of killing the Potgieter family on their farm near Lindley in December 2010 appeared in court.

The men, aged between 18 and 33, pleaded not guilty to three counts of murder one of robbery with aggravating circumstances and other charges relating to the illegal possession of firearms and ammunition.

The six are Stemmer Mofokeng, 23, Tapa Mofokeng, 34, Paulus "Vusi" Khumalo, 23, Tshokolo Lelala, 19, Telleko Seekoei, 20, and Diphapang Motaung, 18, all from Lindley.

151 wounds

Giving testimony, pathologist Dr Robert G Book said that Potgieter, 40, had 151 stab and laceration wounds when he examined the body.

Potgieter’s wife, Wilna, 36, had several deep lacerations to the head and a gunshot wound to the neck.

Indications were that the woman and child were shot at close range, he said.

When asked by State prosecutor Jannie Botha on his first impressions of Potgieter’s body,  Book said: “The deceased “had been tortured to death.”

Testifying on the autopsy done on Potgieter, Book said the injuries could have been caused by tools such as a garden fork, panga, spade or sharp knife, while other injuries could have been caused by a brick or stone.

The State alleges the six attacked Potgieter outside his house with knives, a garden fork and a panga, killing him.

They then attacked the woman and child inside the house and shot them, the State alleges.

Threatened

On Wednesday Motaung, who was a minor at the time of the murders, entered a plea explanation. In it he indicated that he had been on the farm on the day the Potgieters were killed, but claims he had no knowledge of what was planned or going to happen.

In his plea, which was read into the record by his lawyer Leona Smit, Motaung said after a sleepover at Khumalo’s house on the farm the night before, he was called to the farm house the next morning.

He was forced, and threatened with a firearm, to help move a man covered in blood, while a woman and child were present.

He ran away after the woman and child were taken away and heard two shots, which he thought were fired at him for fleeing.

He was later given R500 to keep quiet and was again threatened to be killed if he identified those involved, he claims.

The State called policemen to testify about what they found at the scene and how some of the arrests were made.

State prosecutor Jannie Botha was expected to call forensic experts to testify on Thursday.


Comments
  • Karoobloed - 2011-05-25 22:24

    This case clearly crosses over from the human to the animal kingdom. Not sure if justice could be served in a court of law. Not a Muslim myself, but only Islamic law would probably serve justice here - public executions.

      atlasshrugge - 2011-05-25 22:55

      You are insulting animals... These are savages.

      mlh@24.com - 2011-05-25 22:57

      What unbelievable cruel barbarity!!! One cannot IMAGINE the horror...what kind of MONSTERS walk this earth?! And then tax payers money is WASTED on these MONSTERS who lavish in prison with 3 meals a day etc...! Its truelly beyond comprehension......!

      Rob Roy - 2011-05-26 01:06

      What and execute another ANC voter, the ANC will never allowed this.

      Wedfew - 2011-05-26 06:32

      So sad... and then no one black comment???

      Larro - 2011-05-26 07:32

      Animals do not torture and kill children, they will only kill for food. Could ANY civilised person even consider doing this? More evidence of the country's inevitable slide into the toilet.

      Cheetas - 2011-05-26 08:15

      Well the message form Malema and Zuma at the FNB station obviously are getting the reaction that they asked for. What do you expect if your country's leaders are singing "shoot the boer" !!

      Jacques 24 - 2011-05-26 08:39

      Kabelo, the axe murdering guy was actual black, so no, not DA, ANC. If you even consider them black (the accused), then you made a fundamental mistake, cause they are animals, not black, not white, not pink but f#$%cking animals!!!

      system.reset1 - 2011-05-26 08:55

      @Kabelo @poho_e_ntsho The ANC youth league president sings "KILL THE BOER", defends it in court and Jacob Zuma doesn't say a word about it. The ANC supports these murders - it is part of their plan for land redistribution. "No black person would ever condone such acts." What? What about Malema and his followers? What about the murderers who shot this child in cold blood? They condone these acts. Prove me wrong

      system.reset1 - 2011-05-26 08:57

      @poho_e_ntsho - Let's stop this nonsense of torturing and murdering innocent people and their children. These murders are political - they are only following Malema's orders.

      Boerseun - 2011-05-26 09:57

      @Poho What a sweeping statement!! PLEASE enlighten us with your incredible insight. What do YOU reckon is the real cause of their actions, if it is not racial hatred?

      Thangy - 2011-05-26 11:09

      @Wedfew Whats the point in commenting on this? I could tell you that this story makes me sick to my stomach, which it does, I could tell you that I too want justice (personally death is not enough punishment for such a brutal crime). However judging from YOUR comment "So sad... and then no one black comment???" at the end of the day you see all black ppl the same and honestly I'm just about tired of all the racial crap on this website. I sincerely hope that justice is met but as an African I will not feel guilty for this barbaric crime committed simply because I am an African, that you will not get from me.

      Kevin King - 2011-05-26 12:14

      @ Kabelo: LOL, you are a clown! Yes the axe dude was black and an ANC voter (as said so by Vavi). Please try again.

      Julie - 2011-05-26 12:55

      @Thangy, couldnt have said it better myself.

      Lab-Rat - 2011-05-26 13:55

      Thangy - Well said and I agree with you. Nobody should place all africans in the same category as those brutal savages. I also feel though that a lot of the commentry is made in frustration of the denial that is so apparent. I'm sure we can all agree that those murders were racially motivated and as a white person all we keep hearing is that, 'it's just crime' or 'an isolated incidence' or 'crime is colour blind' when clearly that's not what's happening. The fact that the government always keeps so quiet when something like this happens and at the same time defends the 'kill the boer' song, you can't help but feel like we're being targetted as white people and it make us all feel threatened and therefore more likely to speak out of anger.

      Thangy - 2011-05-26 14:15

      @Lab-Rat Any loss of life is tragic, especially in manner. Agreed, it is beginning to look a bit dodge...

      Worldwise - 2011-05-26 15:30

      Definitely within the human domain. The animal kingdom doesn't practice this amongst their own.

      Tax_payer - 2011-05-26 16:05

      Couldnt agree more

      Nedkelly - 2011-05-26 16:06

      You are an idiot. Animals would never do this type of thing - only humans. Catch a wakeup dude and think before you write crap like you did.

      Nico - 2011-05-26 19:31

      Karoobloed, you don't know what you are asking for if you ask for Shariah law. I do agree with death penalty. It was done for centuries without resorting to Islamic Shariah law.

      Karoobloed - 2011-05-26 20:04

      I was not requesting the imposition of Shariah law. And I was not trying to offend the sensibilities of animals or the PETA brigade. I was just dumbfounded by the utter depravity exhibited by these murderous beings. Underestimate this guy from the Karoo if you wish.

  • VM1 - 2011-05-25 22:37

    It would be interesting to understand their motivation for this horrible crime. Have they been incited by hate or criminality or both.

      firefighter - 2011-05-25 23:07

      Your statement makes one come to the conclusion that the SCUM are victims of something (hate, etc?).Their actions are EVIL and should be viewed as earning condemnation irrespective of whether they were victims of ANYTHING. They deserve DEATH!!!!!

      Roman Moroni - 2011-05-26 00:51

      They have been incited by the ANC, PAC, AZAPO etc. telling them white people are criminals, have stolen from them etc, and in the process condoning these acts. Look north and see if taking a stand for what is right have helped anywhere on this godforsaken continent. Get out if you can, for the sake of your children. Do like the indians do - families should band together and get one member to get out, then start a business in the new country and bring the rest of the family over as labourers - by doing so they get working visas, then Permanent Residency and eventually citizenship of the new country.

      AJ - 2011-05-26 05:13

      I'm with VM1 on this one, I would really (just for once) like a follow up to the actualy murder done, and get an explanation as to WHY 'people' sinlk to such a level in committing such a crime. We always hear about the murders, I think a reason (however aburd) for why it was done would be of interest - from the horses mouth so to speak.

      C_S - 2011-05-26 07:04

      It is true that we need to find the reason for this and do something about it, to avoid this in the future. This however doesn't give them the right to kill someone, certainly not in such a way. And what did the child do to deserve this? We need death penalty back, public execution.

      milab - 2011-05-26 07:08

      hate, poverty, drugs (perhaps), an upbringing in which no morals are taught and human life is not valued.

      Xram62 - 2011-05-26 07:51

      These individuals DO NOT have the capability to comprehend the outcome of their actions before or even while executing them. More than one study proved this. I mean, WHAT were they thinking while killing this family? Did they think they were going to inherit the farm? Did they think that the community will treat them as hero's? Did they think that they were now role-models in their community? Did they think their parents were going to be very proud of them? Did they think they were NOT going to be arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned? Did they think their finances were going to improve over-night? Did they think they were going to receive some or other reward for what they've done? The answer is: THEY DIDN'T THINK...Why not? Because they lack the mental capacity to forsee the outcome of their actions even while executing them. And the NEVER take responsibility for anything. Ever. It's ALWAYS "The bicycle she threw me off". Never "I rode my bicycle like an idiot, lost my balance and fell" Never ever. It's ALWAYS someone or something else's fault. "THEY told me to..The evil forces told me to...The forefather spirits convinced me...The devil made me do it". Withou fail. Not a single person serving a "life term" in prison is "guilty"....according to themsleves. And this is a worldwide phenomonon. "When I killed someone..I wasn't myself. I was someone else at the time...Me? I'll never kill anyone...!!!

      Me - 2011-05-26 08:33

      What motivation could there possibly be for something like this?

      Honeybabe - 2011-05-26 08:46

      if we have to find reasons, guess what it will be...yes, apartheid bla bla bla, but killing a 2 year old, for what? This men don't deserve to walk the streets of anywhere even in hell, they should also die. I am a Christian but this is becomign too much, for how long are we to forgive deeds such as these? tolerate it? and read about it? You know the way China & Botswana do things, wish it could be done here also. You die and nobody even read about it. SA is realy becoming sick!!

      Lab-Rat - 2011-05-26 13:58

      You don't stab someone 151 times in order to steal something from them. You also don't stab and shoot a 2 year old because you want to steal something from their father. Come on, think about what you've just said.

      Lab-Rat - 2011-05-26 14:02

      Xram62 - Personally I don't think that they lack the mental capacity to see what they were doing was wrong. They knew very well. They more likely were brought up to believe that white people are criminals and that they're in the position they're in because of whites. Couple this de-huminisation along with their leaders telling them to kill the boer and you've got a recipe for savagry.

      darkwing - 2011-05-26 16:50

      Yes, I think the only way to get at the bottom of this would be an independent investigation into farm murders. Get people from outside our borders who are not emotionally involved and ask the big question. Why are farmers killed? If there is no hidden agenda then everyone would welcome this. It is the ideal way to try and harmonise race relations in this country. Of course black people suffer from crime as well, if not worse sometimes. The question is are black on white crimes racially motivated and if so, in what instances?

  • Paul - 2011-05-25 22:44

    Just bring back the death penalty AND use it!

      Nick Stone - 2011-05-26 08:04

      Sorry mate but in our "civilized" country the death penalty will be against their "human rights". For their efforts they will win a free holiday for live with free food, clothes, medical care etc.

      blondetopaz - 2011-05-26 14:43

      i dont want it back. It could come back and haunt us. Vigilantism [?] i think is the order of day. It is amazing what customer service you can purchase in jail for a few R100. If it was my family murdered, i would be tempted to help with job-creation in their jail. Hell - a few R1000 might be budgeted for. "An eye for an eye" sounds good to me.

      lotus.lindi - 2011-05-26 20:51

      @Paul:Absolutely. And the DA is no help here. One reason why we need more than a 2-party state. @Lab-Rat. It's not about mental capacity. It's about human depravity. It is written on every human heart that murder is a crime. They knew.

      lotus.lindi - 2011-05-26 20:57

      @blondetopaz. Vigilantism is usually a response to the inability or unwillingness of the state to see that justice is done. Justice here, would be the death penalty. Fueling corruption (in jails or anywhere else) would definitely come back to haunt us.

  • Jeff - 2011-05-25 22:45

    Hope they all get AIDS and cancer together and die.... what a waste of a human

      Thob3 - 2011-05-26 08:23

      Cancer and AIDS is not tis cruel. With that they will die peacefully with their families around them. Your tax will be taking care of them.

      Thob3 - 2011-05-26 08:27

      Cancer and AIDS is not this cruel. Will illness they will have peacefull deaths with their families around them. Your tax and that of the victims will take care of them.

      reader4444@24.com - 2011-05-26 12:31

      Hang them all -- then taxpayer will not have to fund their upkeep and medical expenses. Hanging is quick and effective: they will never terrorise society again.

      blondetopaz - 2011-05-26 14:44

      it would take too long and too much of my money thank you. Employ somebody in their jail to take them out.

  • Marcell - 2011-05-25 22:50

    ancESTORS: It is not race related. Crime effects everyone.

      Tony - 2011-05-26 03:06

      Well said,and some ppl all themselves humans??My god what next,they should be hanged in public

      Tony - 2011-05-26 03:07

      Racial hatred at its worst

  • Paul_Kruger - 2011-05-25 22:52

    Look at Africa and tell yourself this is a human act? Is this not the same picture as the rest of Africa!! This is not going to stop by itself!!

      TSaR - 2011-05-26 00:38

      This is so familiar in Africa due to the literacy levels. If the government starts educating people academically, this wont happen. They have no appreciation for the wrongfulness of their actions and probably never will. Government is creating this by not making formal education accessible to everyone. We'll have to get used to this if there is no change.

      firefighter - 2011-05-26 06:29

      @TSaR Your statement makes one come to the conclusion that the SCUM are victims of something (hate,literacy levels, etc?).Their actions are EVIL and should be viewed as earning condemnation irrespective of whether they were victims of ANYTHING. They deserve DEATH!!!!!

  • Jan-Harm - 2011-05-25 23:00

    Malema told them to do it, therefore their proud admission on the gate that read: "We killed them, we will be back". They were proud because they executed their leader's command.

      jason - 2011-05-26 06:34

      @Jan-Harm 100% Agree. That bafoon should be accused number #7 and ANC #8. After 17 years of rule, black people are still mostly illiterate and uneducated. Education must not be a priority for them, because how else do you manipulate, sorry, control the masses? Reminds me a lot of how apartheid worked.

  • capeflats - 2011-05-25 23:31

    First let them spend a stint in Pollsmoor Prison as part of their induction to life sentence.

  • Exsaffer - 2011-05-25 23:46

    Cruelty and savages, is this the future for South Africa. It sickens me that someone can stab and shoot a 2 year old , Yuck. I guess those South Africans rape babies as well, if this was in another country they would say it is genocide. What word do you have Saffers for this kind of crime in your country.

      milab - 2011-05-26 07:09

      There are no words to describe it....

      blondetopaz - 2011-05-26 14:47

      you are correct. it is genocide.

  • Francis - 2011-05-25 23:51

    And then they want to say there is nothing wrong in singing a song that incites people to "kill the Boer". Malema should be held with them and sentenced to death with them. Bastards

  • William Strydom - 2011-05-26 00:43

    This is unspeakable. We as South Africans should demand an answer from our government on why this is happening. And not some idiot spokesperson, but from the people who are elected to keep the citizens of this country safe. If no answer is given then no more tax, why should South Africans pay for services not rendered, otherwise that is known as fraud. We should also take this to an international level seeing that it is the powers that be in the rest of the world that has helped South Africa to the way it is now. They should also answer for their actions that led to this, everybody had a finger in the pie 20 years ago and now they don't want to get involved in the politics of other countries. This is turning into genocide.

  • JewelZA - 2011-05-26 00:50

    The one crisis in this country that the govt never mentions - mental health. There's no cure for people like this. They should be executed or locked up forever. NO POSSIBILITY OF PAROLE.

  • pennypincher - 2011-05-26 00:55

    Bring Malema in as President, let them have the country, then let them loose on one another - like the rest of Africa

  • Ho Hum@24.com - 2011-05-26 01:59

    This is the way of the savage....he has not developed in 1 000 years...and so will continue...

      poho_e_ntsho - 2011-05-26 08:55

      Who's this savage that hasn't developed in a thousand years? Criminals? I think you should be clearer next time in order to avoid ambiguity. Just now I think you're referring to Black Africans in general.

      Snoopy88 - 2011-05-30 21:04

      @ hohum does it make you feel safer generalising like that? Don't be foolish.. The Nazis were very civilised after all weren't they?

  • Boiling Frog - 2011-05-26 02:12

    I think the brutal murder of this family is absolutely shocking and my condolences go to the families left behind. This is pure intimidation of farmers . Did this not happen in Zimbabwe roundabout 1999-2000 when they invaded their farms, tortured them and stole their land. I honestly would not feel safe as a farmer right now. Some strategies re safety need to be put into place.

  • Ericthe - 2011-05-26 02:18

    I am starting to wonder if expats sharing experiences about South Africa is really so wrong. I mean they don't even have to open their mouths – but simply point to South African news web sites. 1. Barbarity 2. Execution style murder of toddlers – I mean WTF 3. Raping little children to cure their aids 4. A presidents ludicrous claim of hell if not voting for ANC 5. Magic penis's 6. Little boy beaten for playing with a poster 7. Malema singing songs of murder 8. Murders being highlighted in every edition

      Just Greg - 2011-05-26 03:49

      Dude, if that aint the truth I do not know what is ! I wanted to read the local news in order to get an idea about the country before I made the move over. You could not pay me enough money to live behind walls, electric fences, safety gates, bars on windows etc.. Absolute madness IMO. I love the Saffas I know, the kindest, warmest, generous people I have ever met, Now I understand why they are so grateful to be living in my town, when I asked them about crime they advised me to read all the S.A newspapers and come to my own conclusions. I have, and I pray for you all who are trying to make a difference, I will never set foot in the place. Please do not think I am disrespecting any of you, I just could not imagine having to live with such brutality and horror on a daily basis, how do you people manage to keep your sanity ?

      milab - 2011-05-26 07:13

      Greg - I live here and refuse to live in a "prison" of my own making. Yes, I live in a nice neighbourhood, in a security complex, and we have an alarm. But I do not live behind burglar bars, we do not carry weapons, I walk most places I want to go to if its not too far. Although I do take precautions, I do not live in fear, and I dont think about crime every minute of every day. If I did I would leave. It is possible to be happy in SA.

      Xram62 - 2011-05-26 07:57

      Greg..Mail me at xram@netactive.co.za...and I'll send you a thousand or a million pictures of how we live in the suburbs. It's just razor wire, fences, dogs, movement sensors, satelite tracking, electric fencing, electric gates, security guards. The only difference between me, living in my owner-built prison and real prison...is that I get to carry my own set of keys...and cook my own food. It's not "life"...it's mere survival.

      Jezabbela - 2011-05-26 09:24

      You forgot the part where other races paint little black girls with white paint and where each every adult member of a family is a peadophile having "sex" with their own children and grandchildren. Lets starts there......You think all these were not happening before 1994? Think again, there are families who lost their loved ones through execution style murders and their bodies were never found. Blame the people who do crime, not the consitution. People still today are looking for and want to know where masses of loved ones are buried!

      Chloe - 2011-05-26 11:37

      @ Milab. BUT your secure community has a boma in front with armed guards, right? You are most fortunate. You lie outright about being able to walk anywhere. Perhaps inside of your Pleasantville, but definitely not in the open streets, especially not if you're a female. Rapes even occur inside of school toilets. You're sitting back in your own little lap of luxury and lying to the outside world. As for the rest of the people, hell yes, they'll be 100% guaranteed, burglarised by possible murderers if they should let up on the iron bars and the electric fencing. In ordinary suburbia they would'nt last a week. Don't be so silly. Everyone I know has been a victim of crime over the last few years, some were murdered and I am talking ordinary middle class people who lead a good upstanding life. Both my beloved sons have been held at gun point at different occasions. People live in fear - so have you allowed you possible wife out of the complex for a walk about lately? No I reckon not.

      milab - 2011-05-26 11:49

      @Chloe, shoe why so much anger? Chill. And to correct you - no I don't have a boma, or a security guard outside our complex. Yes, I am a female, and yes, I do walk everywhere alone, though obviously not at night. I'm not saying crime does not happen - of course it does and obviously I also know lots of people who have been affected by it, myself included. People overseas wonder how we can live here, and I wanted to say that we CAN live here and be happy. I know lots of people who are moving back to SA after being overseas for many years. It's not all bad, folks.

      Ericthe - 2011-05-27 02:13

      @Jezabbela: Where did I mention race??? Is it because the shoe fits?

  • Tony - 2011-05-26 03:20

    What a sad sad story this is

  • FarmerBrown - 2011-05-26 03:52

    Public execution.................................

  • Bridget Gillow - 2011-05-26 06:06

    i wish people would stop comparing these cases to the animal kingdom as in Karoobloed "this case clearly crosses over from the human to the animal kingdom" Animals dont murder other animals...

      Karoobloed - 2011-05-26 06:26

      Really. What would wolves to little bunny rabbits.

      Regurk - 2011-05-26 07:32

      Karrobloed Wolves would kill & eat only the necessary bunny rabiit as nature decreed. They would not get instruments to toture rape etc. There's is a vast difference between how nature works and savagery. By the way - what dopeople do when they want steaks for their braai? Kill defenceless animals - they do not HAVE to do it for survival - they do it 'cos they like the taste of meat

      Lang Henning - 2011-05-26 07:48

      Bridget, they do, you know. Foxes do, cats do, dogs do - ask any farmer. Lions kill other males' cubs, did you know that? Do not make assumptions about animals, they can be pretty horrific too.

      Zion - 2011-05-26 09:51

      Lang Henning, we know why people do it. Now tell us why animals do it.

      Lang Henning - 2011-05-26 10:30

      Zion, animals do it because they can. They have no conscience or morals. People do, which is why creatures such as the ones we're discussing are more animal than human.

  • Ryno Cheryl - 2011-05-26 06:23

    I can not believe that there is lawyers out there defending these creatures, this is not humane.

      GinSA1 - 2011-05-26 06:45

      So very true Ryno Cheryl. How can this female sleep at night, KNOWING what took place, not surmising, not able to say it didn't happen, but KNOWING it took place, and then defend one or more of them? They shouldn't even be afforded representation which I bet you and I are paying for. Let them stand there and explain what they did. Stuff a clever Attorney who will move with technicalities, disadvantaged background, blah blah blah.

      milab - 2011-05-26 07:22

      A lawyer is necessary to ensure that justice prevails.

      Jacques 24 - 2011-05-26 08:05

      @Milab, I am going to have to disagree with you, First you put a competent investigator on the events and then establish each ones involvement, the trial them in their absence. End of story, no technical BS, not dragging the trial over months. This is Africa, the act like animals and then want to trial them with a first world legal system. Our system is unfortunately to humane for them A second option is for the courts to declare them dogs (because of the act the committed), the put them down like a dog that bit a child... No human rights violation!!!!

      milab - 2011-05-26 08:09

      If they did not have a lawyer, their case would likely be thrown out and they would all walk free. Is this what we want? They need a fair trial, and by fair I mean an honest, true trial that will find them guilty of the crimes they have perpetrated. It must be horrible being their lawyer, but someone's gotta do it.

      Rose - 2011-05-26 10:05

      Why is it that white lawyers always defend the worst criminals in the country? It is about the money? I think we should stop pointing fingers. As christians pray for this criminal to find God or be saved, as the killing will never stop. I do not think a normal human been can be so ruthless. Secondly start policing forum in our communities. but unfortunately we stay behind closed doors. U do not even know or have u're neighbours contact numbers. As South African let us stop this u're white and black and that will never changed. we must respect each other for the sake of peace and prosperity. May be intead of just sending negetive critics also provide positive ways of solving the situation. Let us stop acting like politician promising everyone houses. Not everybody will get the free houses with limited resources we have.

      Live&LetLive - 2011-05-26 20:14

      I worked for an attorney for 25 years and, every now and then, he was FORCED to act as defense counsel in a criminal matter on a pro-bono basis via our Law Society rules. The one matter in particular of which I am reminded was of a grandfather who committed incest and sexually abused his three granddaughters. Their father was also involved in the same crimes against his daughters and their mother had full knowledge of what was happening. My employer had two very young daughters at the time and we spoke about how we both felt physically ill at what atrocities had been perpetrated against these young girls BY THEIR RELATIVES, how I (mostly) could not even bring myself to be civil to this particular "client" and (me) HOW IS IT THAT HE COULD LOWER HIMSELF TO DEFEND THIS CREATURE??? His answer was simple : Everyone has the right to a defense. Just like the medical profession has the Hippocratic Oath, so too do attorneys. Whether we like it or not, this is our system, and, while it is in place, it must be universally applied. PS ... at the cost of an epic fail within myself - and forgive me Lord please - but I do admit that I secretly would prefer to be reading about their "mysterious deaths in detention" than that they actually feel they have an excuse for their actions!

  • Ryno Cheryl - 2011-05-26 06:25

    Just can't believe that there is someone out there defending these in-humane creatures.

  • Ozman - 2011-05-26 06:28

    Organised farm murder “ANCYL”

      Melindie - 2011-05-26 11:51

      Not only the ANCYL. Who do you think Jacob Zuma talks about when he sings, bring my machine gun?

  • jakes - 2011-05-26 06:36

    The time is now to take law in our own hands, KILL all these fu#king oxygen thieving trolls on sight!!!! Thats what they do?!?

      Sammy - 2011-05-26 07:16

      With you on that one! I too have had enough. Evil prevails when good men DO NOTHING.

      Siff - 2011-05-26 09:40

      So are you going to do something or just sit on your ares and complain?

      Sammy - 2011-05-26 11:34

      @Siff well, for starters I tweeted this article to the President, John Robbie and Helen Zille... what have you done?

      Ian - 2011-06-02 13:45

      SIFF: give me your address and ill make a start!

  • Krolie - 2011-05-26 06:41

    Terrible, Terrible, TERRIBLE!!!!! I think we should all stand together and now look at the end result for this scum. We all know our taxes will be ensuring a roof over their heads and food to sustain their lives. Let us all petition and demand that at the very least we should have NEW rules and regulations where incarceration is concerned. These cockroaches have TO KNOW they have committed a crime:- 1. No visiting rights or any form of communication. (Treat them as someone that has been executed) 2. A special prison just for rapists & murderers 3. Life sentence, means till death! 4. They have to rely on themselves for food. Grow their own. If they don't do the job, well then suffer they will 5. No need to lock them in cells. They can visit each other freely. If they choose to rape, torture or kill each other, so be it. They will have to bury said killed person or suffer the concequences. 6. This place has to be SO SECURE that there is absolutely no chance for them to get out. Inner walls (first breach) with high currents of electricity if anyone breaches a certain point. If Eskom has blackouts, generators to take over. Second breach a wide built-in area whith great white sharks. We can go on and on to secure this place. I will be happy for my taxes to go towards such a place. I know there are people that will say this is cruel etc, but hell. We need these people to go SOMEWHERE where there is NO chance to influence other prisoners with lesser charges. Any better ideas?

      dwmllr - 2011-05-26 07:49

      Come-on! What for? I will be happy for my taxes to go to a bullet for each one of them, thats it! Where would international human rights organisations allow you to lock people up without providing them food and allowing them to kill one another? Crap man. Skiet die bliksems en kry klaar.

  • MnrFotograaf - 2011-05-26 06:49

    Where's Kolobe and his buddies then? No comments from them? No condemnation from them, thus perhaps support for the murderers?

      Sammy - 2011-05-26 07:14

      Yeah good question. Cowards the whole lot of them ANC lovers.

  • jacojansevanrensburg - 2011-05-26 07:15

    Absolutely disgusting. This was pure-evil. They should be put down like the pack of rabid dogs they are..

  • Garth - 2011-05-26 07:29

    These are the same "humans" that are "underprivileged"!

  • WoodworkPh.D - 2011-05-26 07:44

    As part of their sentence the leader must be demoted to ANCYL president!

  • 1GoodGirl - 2011-05-26 07:45

    RIP Potgieter family! Although justice will not be served in South Africa, God will definitely not let this go unpunished! Especially for the sake of the two year old! I am sure, that given a choice, the Potgieters would have left their farm, with their daughter still alive!

  • Willie - 2011-05-26 07:51

    Comrade Julias Malema and the ANC who condone singing of the hate song kill the farmer kill the Boer must accept that they incite people with the intellectual abilities of kinder garden children that acts like this is OK. Yes and no ANC and/or black condemnation. I say again South Africa is slipping into racism of the worst kind. If I belonged to the group from which these creatures come, I would have been deeply ashamed about my roots.

  • Nick Stone - 2011-05-26 07:55

    MALEMA!, "Kill the Boer, kill the farmer" are you happy now? is this what you want? OPEN YOUR FAT MOUTH AND TELL YOUR SUPPORTERS TO STOP KILLING THE FARMERS!

  • Uncle - 2011-05-26 08:00

    clearly a crime of hate. I wonder what would have been said if it was a black guy tortured to death by 6 white guys...that used to happen. Thankfully no longer the case. President Jacob "Ostrich" Zuma!

  • Nick Stone - 2011-05-26 08:09

    And to top it all off "The Potgieter Familys Estate" will most probably pay Estate Duty and taxes. They will in effect help to pay for their murderer's food and drink.

  • pcpcoetzee89 - 2011-05-26 08:15

    Pure, hard, cold EVIL! Root out these scum - who claim to be humans - as soon as possible. Public execution ... let them que in a straight line ... and shoot them ... without wasting too many bullets!!! Make it swift and with no furore ... for they are genetical misfits who do not deserve to use the same oxygen than humans and animals!!

      Siff - 2011-05-26 09:48

      A bullet is too fast> They must suffer torture of the worst sort!

  • Mike - 2011-05-26 08:15

    What on earth can the motive be for killing a 2 year old???? And in such a manner? Savagery. That's all pure, blatant savagery.

  • Thob3 - 2011-05-26 08:32

    Irrespective of colour or race something must be done to protect SA citizens. We are not safe even in our homes. Our constitution is torturing and killing us. Criminals have have more human rights than the innocent citizens of SA

      Lab-Rat - 2011-05-26 15:26

      Absolutely agreed Thob3. The criminal in SA is a protected species which is only contributing more to crime.

  • Daniel - 2011-05-26 08:39

    ALL THE ARGUMENTS HERE MEAN NOTHING ! THE ONLY SOLUTION TO THIS DILEMA IS TO BRING BACK CAPITAL PUNISHMENT AS A MATTER OF URGENCY. TO EFER TO THESE THINGS AS ANIMALS IS INSULTING, THESE ARE SAVAGE BABARIANS !!

  • MissRed - 2011-05-26 09:04

    I'm all for the death sentence specially for unspeakable crimes like these......... The sad thing is though....if they bring back the death sentence the A-holes that call themselves our leaders will just use it to kill us "legally".

  • Jezabbela - 2011-05-26 09:19

    I'm a BLACK PERSON who is more than horrified by what happenend to this family. I'm a mother of a 3 yr old girl myself and cannot even begin to imagine what that little girl went through and how terrified she was. Yes, us BLACK PEOPLE have feelings just like everyone else. I work hard and pay heavy taxes just like all races in SA. I have a car and rent an apartment and do not get a single fuc*en cent from the ANC. I lock my apartment doors every night and will not move into a complex unless it has a burglar door, electric fence and security personnel. White people need to understand that CRIME does not only affect them. I worry about my safety everyday and worry even MORE about my daughters safety. I get terrified when a crime happens in my "safe" neighbourhood and still today I do not understand how one person can take away another persons life. It's heartless and senseless and yes, it has happened to my family. Black people grieve too, black people are affected by crime too, NOT ALL black people expect handouts from the government, so it's annoying and shows a level of ones naivity to generalize on black people and to even say every black person votes ANC! NOT everything in a black persons life is about the ANC AND DA. We actually have lives to live and children to raise and create bright futures for!

      pcpcoetzee89 - 2011-05-26 09:32

      I hear you Ma'am ... yes sometimes we (whites) forget about you when we are confronted by unspeakable savagery [as seen in this report]. Sometimes our emotions just run away ... and we tend to generalize. Sorry for this ... sorry for harsh and crude words and thoughts ... which might hurt good, solid, precious and totally innocent people like yourself!

      CdnMoose - 2011-05-26 10:46

      Agreed, crime is not a "white issue" or "black issue", it is a South African issue, and all of us have to play a part in fixing this. We all need to put pressure on our elected officials to do better, and we also need to work together in communities to " look after each other's back". Crime thrives in complacency and in the shadows. Bring it out into the open, shine bright lights on it, show the results of such actions( i.e. prison life), but also we must give people hope. When you have nothing to lose, you will do unspeakable things to survive and you will follow demagogues that tell you there is a path ( Malema). Time for all of us to stand up and say " I'm mad as hell and am not going to take it anymore"!!!.

      tut - 2011-05-26 13:02

      You are right not to be labelled but Juju is waging a racist war against whites.

      Lab-Rat - 2011-05-26 15:10

      I agree with you Jezabbela.

      Francis - 2011-05-26 18:52

      You are so right, we often tend to generalise when things of this nature happen. But we are all victims of crime, no matter what our colour skin. Also it is not only one race or another that commit crime. Our street has has several burglaries in the last two years. Recently three persons were arrested for this. Guess what, they were white! So lets stop generalising and realise we are all potention victims, does not matter what colour we are. We are all fed up with crime

  • jweer42 - 2011-05-26 09:47

    Put each of these "things" into a coffin sized concrete box with no space to move. Only add a tube for breathing, water and food and a drain on the bottom and orientate them standing upright for 30 years and play 23/7 the most annoying, sleep depriving, mind numbing buzzing noise. When they die, cremate them, put their ashes in a bucket onto a boat, travel into international waters and dump the remains in the sea and wash the bucket out so none of their filth ever return to SA. (the boat part was done with Adolf Eichmann's remains after Israel executed him) I think it would be a nice gesture to the families of the victims to rinse that bucket 3 times.

  • Helen - 2011-05-26 10:44

    What *&%$%$ pleasure does a person derive from doing this? My grandson is 2 FFS !!!! God help us all...

  • White Slave - 2011-05-26 10:53

    Go and tell the world about this: http://edition.cnn.com/feedback/tips/newstips.html

  • Darwinian - 2011-05-26 11:06

    The Legacy of the ANC spreading its cANCer....

  • Plonker69 - 2011-05-26 12:31

    Saudi law should apply for these barbaric scum. Let their families watch them die a slow death in public and broadcast it live around the world. Coward bastards, I wish you wrot in hell.

  • tut - 2011-05-26 13:00

    Behold the fruits of Julius Malema's genocide campaign agaisnt white farmers. What more evidence does the ICC need to initiate an arrest?

  • Gail - 2011-05-26 13:05

    I so wish people would stop assuming and generalising on here because it is as much hate speech as Julius saying kill the boers is. There was robbery involved here and who knows maybe revenge as well. Generalising leads to hatred of one group by another and some of the haters do not have the restraint or the smarts to anticipate or fear the death penalty themselves. What happened was a tragedy just as it is when 8 people are burnt to death in their homes by criminal minds bent on revenge in a township or KZN. Death is part of life and at least those who are dead have nothing left to lose. Those imprisoned for life might be fed but now they will have to contend with lack of freedom and invasion of bodily space from the hardened long term prisoners in the jails. Death penalty is rightly outlawed while there are criminals running the country. Prisons in Africa are not all a picnic, there is shelter and food perhaps but nothing a la carte. We will all die one day and have no way of knowing when or choosing how. The actual process almost inevitably involves suffering sometimes for protracted periods by both victim and family in the case of illnesses like AIDS/TB or cancer.Death is death. Being critically injured in a car accident and losing a loved one who died on impact is just as painful as watching others kill your loved ones. Frightening, painful etc.At least the victims are united in death. Lets be objective here.

      tut - 2011-05-26 13:45

      Agree. The ICC should be objective when the arrest Malema.

      Moi1980 - 2011-05-26 13:47

      @Gail - it's hard to be objective when reading about a 2 year old that was murdered

      Boerseun - 2011-05-26 14:02

      Gail, please wake up & smell the coffee. Nobody has the right to take a life, let alone a two-year old child. I can't help wondering what you will have to say when your helpless little daughter gets murdered like this. "Death is a part of life" my @$$.

      System Reset - 2011-05-26 16:46

      @Gail How can you try to justify toddler murder, what's wrong with you?

      ANC Ancestor - 2011-05-26 17:47

      @Gail i'm sorry but death isn't just death. I cannot really imagine the horror this family had to go through during the final moments of their life. For the murdering dogs, Prison is to good for you, the death penalty is too good for you. The only way that justice will be served is through an eye for an eye. Let these dogs suffer the way that family suffered.

      Exsaffer - 2011-05-26 21:17

      Oh Gail, you sound like such a white lefty idealist!! I assure you you would change your tune if it happens to your own family, Death is part of life, lol. This was not just death, it was brutal murder of a family , one by one, ending with a baby. No justification needed here!! what ever way you want to try justify this with your political correctness, it is a vile situation , in a country lost in violence and total disregard for any each other and life.

  • ohsa.online - 2011-05-26 14:08

    HANG THEM HIGH, IN A PUBLIC SQUARE, AND LEAVE THE BODIES FOR THE CARRION.

  • Wendy - 2011-05-26 14:23

    What a sick society we live in! Not only the murder of this family, but also some of the comments here. It is not about "us" and our ratial beliefs. This is about a family that has been snuffed out by barbarians. We should stand together against crime and not categorise people based on skin colour or ethnic background. Crime Fighters Unite!

  • blondetopaz - 2011-05-26 14:36

    the number of injuries clearly states/proofs their hatred towards this man and his family. My feeling is because they were white farmers. Maybe this farmer did ill-treat them but to inflict 151 injuries. No, this is pure, base hatred! No amount of sugar-coating can detract from that, and somehow i have to question whether Julias's treffer had any influence on them.

      Koen - 2011-05-26 18:10

      Why would you think the farmer ill treated his people?

  • Darkwing Duck - 2011-05-26 14:36

    Now what I would like to know is: How many of these accused have ties to the ANCYL?

      Warren - 2011-05-27 00:39

      It will never come out!!! The c.ANC.er will make sure of that!!!