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Group in bid to ban spanking

2012-01-29 15:42

Johannesburg - A children's rights lobby group wants spanking to become a criminal offence, the Sunday Times reported.

The Children's Rights Project, based at the University of the Western Cape, made the proposal last month. It has asked the department of social development to ban corporal punishment in homes.

Other children's groups, including the Children's Institute, Childline SA, and the Centre for Child Law, have supported the proposal.

The department is currently considering whether to amend the Children's Act in order to give children more rights.

Department spokesperson Lumka Oliphant said the issue would be discussed with interested parties, including children's rights campaigners, religious organisations, and traditional leaders, the weekly reported.

Comments
  • Martin - 2012-01-29 15:52

    Slippery slope. Where i the world heading??? Spare the rod and spoil the child!!!

      Martin - 2012-01-29 15:52

      Where is the ....sorry

      Alan - 2012-01-29 16:14

      Agreed, these idiots want to ban spanking to prevent child abuse, the real truth is that the abusers will continue to abuse children regardless and all they are doing is stopping decent parents from bringing up their children correctly. My sister subscribeb to this theory of no hiddings just talking to her little boy. As lovely as he was as a toddler, he progressively became a difficult child and a violent teenager. He didn't get 1 spanking only calmed reasoned chats. Eventually he spent 3 stinits in prison as a 16 - 17 year old and has since then spent another 2 stints in prison as an adult. Swearing, smashing things, just full of rage. He never learnt that there is a limit to what people will put up with so now he learns by going to jail - 21 and already 5 times in jail. Also research has proven there are no negative impacts from spanking and that shouting at a child does more harm. These idiots want to run our families because of 1 or 2 outlier cases but forget that we are better parents than them - most of them probably don't even have kids yet. Not only that, they probably are pro-abortion. Now sorry anyone who allows an innocent baby to be murdered has no say on how I bring up my child - cheers to that.

      Mary - 2012-01-29 17:05

      Alan there is absolutely no guarantee that your sister's child would have become a responsible adult if he had been spanked. In fact, he might even have killed his parents out of resentment, which hopefully they are spared now.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-01-29 17:06

      Mary are you serious?

      jason.dutoit - 2012-01-29 17:08

      child abusers already break the law. they can already be punished under the law. they are unlikely to respect a law that prohibits spanking. the people who currently spank their children in the correct manner are the only ones even remotely likely to obey a no-spanking law! so we will have just as much abuse, but less discipline...

      Newsreader - 2012-01-29 17:11

      ...next lets ban church, then education. Eventually we can ban human rights. The only thing we will never be able to ban is corruption and nepotism by the ANC!

      wcslater - 2012-01-29 17:49

      It's one thing to make a law, but it's another thing to enforce it, especially with the lack of any kind of law enforcement in this country...

      ronald.stilianou - 2012-01-29 21:20

      Alan, I am with you all the way. I have a simular story, in this case it was two twin brothers, one lived with the mom and the other (my friend) lived with his dad. The one in the mom's care never got a spanking and as you say only "calmed reasoned chats", and he turned out to be a real waste of skin(in and out of jail, owing everybody money, etc), but the other one (who got the occational hiding for being naughty), he is a well respected individual in our comunity today. case and point...... @Mary, it is a proven fact that propper, controled dissipline is key to a child's upbringing, it teaches them the good old lesson of "cause and effect", do you even have children??

      Sean - 2012-01-29 22:37

      And Mary-if you want to have the Christian opinion on spanking look no further than the Bible - Proverbs -Spare the rod and all that stuff

      Boer - 2012-01-29 23:26

      Ja and then the children will end up like most children around the world like Scumbags with no moral values and discipline, drug users Lazy, rude, uneducated with no respect for life or family and most of the time end up in Jail. Discipline is the KEY here. Nothng wrong with a Klap every now and then when nesecary. Moer hulle.

      str4f3 - 2012-01-30 08:23

      So we have been spanking children for the whole of recorded history, but in the last few years, we've decided that our parents didn't know how to bring up kids, and the system that we are a result of is wrong. No wonder the biggest single problem in this country is self discipline.

      Thabiso - 2012-01-30 09:56

      I would like to see these very same groups going into peoples homes and teaching our kids the responsibillities that comes with giving them this right. I will spank my kids if its needed to descipline them and that by no means constitute abuse.

      Ruan - 2012-01-30 12:18

      Stupid move!!!!!! Just look at the total disregard kids have these days for anything. And that comes from not getting any direction from parents!! eg. if a oven is hot and you tel the kid not to touch it, and he does, he'll burn his hand, it will be highly unlikely that he even does that again!! Same goes for spanking!!

      Merven - 2012-01-30 13:29

      So, are they going to create a special Police Spanking unit?

      Jannah - 2012-01-30 13:55

      Excellent comment, Alan. You are so very right - and I do understand people who don't agree with spanking, but we are not talking about beatings here! I had about 5 hidings as a child, never with sticks or belts ... just flathand or with a slop, and I have no resentment towards my parents. They would always ask nicely, then reprimand and THEN only resort to a spanking. It definitely taught me to listen when they repeatedly asked me to do or not to do something! In fact, I adore my parents and have a very close relationship with both of them. I agree, beating a child is out of the question, but psychological abuse such as being ignored or manipulated etc. can be extremely damaging to a child too. If you are able to discipline your children without ever lifting your hand then that's fantastic, but sometimes a child needs a BIT more than a warning.

      Lorenzo - 2012-01-30 15:57

      Yes make it a criminal offence... because I'm sure child will be better off once his/her parents are rotting away in jail or struggling to find work because no one wants to hire someone with a criminal record. GOOD PLAN!! Idiots! Kids must man up. No wonder children under the age of 20 are unbearable these days.!!

      Martin - 2012-01-30 17:09

      Hi, My siblings and I were raised with hidings, dont know what a belt and once a stick but mostly a flattie, and i would agree that in certain situations it was called for, I was the quiet kid who you could explain and give concequences to, and that would have the desired effect, my bro needed his hidings, but to cut a long story short, I stopped letting my parents know anything about me, I learned dishonesty by way of fear, and how to do what I wanted to do without getting caught. I would say on the topic, it depends from child to child, just as some adults can be spoken to and others need an education the hard way

      Erba - 2012-01-31 08:25

      I agree. God specifically instructed us to use the rod, He should know because he created you.

      eric.vanvuuren - 2012-01-31 10:21

      There are certain things govt. should stay out of. And for this self-righteous prick who advocates that children should run wild, should keep his nonsense at his own house. The investment is a huge one. I am a child of the 80's and was probably spanked more than anyone I know. The dad, then the school, or any "oom" when I got to "windgat". And I’m still here. I know how to look after myself. There are very few people younger than me that understand enough about boundaries to know where lines should be drawn. Discipline falls on the parent, and if the govt. would take away the role of discipline then they should raise them. Unlike this “sock smoker” I do not hate my father for setting a level of expected behaviour. I love him for giving me the tools to handle the future. Too anyone who thinks spanking is wrong; If you have kids your doing it wrong, If you don’t have kids you have no right to push your young misguided lack of knowledge on to other people.

      Squeegee - 2012-01-31 10:25

      I think all right minded parents must immediately stop supporting Childline SA and any other organization wanting calling for this ban. Through abusers in jail, don't criminalize good parents who discipline their children properly.

  • goyougoodthing - 2012-01-29 15:57

    I once again suggest that a small group of fanatics are trying to dictate how the rest of us should live. There is NOTHING wrong with spanking at all. What would they suggest instead. Ask little Mike how he feels after punching his sister in the head. Perhaps a nice spot of The Carpenters and a back rub and little Johnny will be all fixed up. Screw them.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-01-29 16:09

      Maybe we should ban prisons too. We should encourage criminals to come into our homes more so that we can feed them. In fact make it illegal to lock your door at night in case a criminal gets his feelings hurt.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-01-29 16:14

      I propose another idea. The Movement for the Spanking of Other People's Children. In restaurants, public spaces, shops etc when parentals clearly have control, a member of the public shall spank the child for their own good.

      Piet - 2012-01-29 16:23

      @goyougoodthing: I will support that 100%!

      goyougoodthing - 2012-01-29 16:29

      ANd what has religion got to do with this?

      Newsreader - 2012-01-29 17:35

      I totally agree but then your also allowed to tazer the parents who dont disipline their screaming brats!

      Peter - 2012-01-30 06:26

      I agree with you. Can the lobby group not see what is already evident on our school, where decent discipline is not allowed to be exercised? And they want that to be brought into the home. Of course there will be families around where spanking is taken too far. But they are not in the majority.

      laura.levatte - 2012-01-30 09:04

      Ha ha yes I agree, one should be allowed to spank other peoples kids. Those tantruming little brats who hit and kick their mothers whilst she tries to dodge the blows. The childrem are clearly crying out for a hiding but the mothers cant hear them

  • Callie Steijn - 2012-01-29 15:57

    The same worked out REAL WELL in the UK. Solid thinking.

      Garth - 2012-01-29 16:21

      The ignorants of the anc do not understand sarcasm.

      Ian - 2012-01-29 16:26

      I always said he'd come to no good, In the end, Your Honour. If they'd let me have my way, I could have flayed him into shape. But my hands were tied. The bleeding hearts and artists, Let him get away with murder. Let me hammer him today. PINK FLOYD THE WALL

      Newsreader - 2012-01-29 17:36

      why did she floyd the wall?

      Deirdre - 2012-01-30 14:05

      because she was floyd from the start

      rbczovczov - 2012-01-31 06:18

      They ought to be spanked for even bringing up this issue.

  • Jadé Pretorius - 2012-01-29 15:59

    Our children will then have more rights than we do...

      Grant - 2012-01-29 18:53

      Which makes our children on par with criminals! :P

      rbczovczov - 2012-01-31 06:17

      Lets form our own Parent's Rights Group and advocate for more spankings.

      K0BUSL - 2012-01-31 12:26

      @RBC..... IM IN. Childrens Act - The removal of a Parents Rights to Discipline his/her own child. (Criminalisation of Spanking) I hereby give notice to all parties involved that the continued action to have this proposal included in an amendment of the Childrens Act will result in me the Parent approaching the Court and requesting an Emancipation Order for both my 11 month old son as well as his unborn Brother/Sister. This application will revolve around the usurption of my Parental Duties and Rights by the State, based on the interference of various Third Parties. I would further request the Courts to remove all responsibility of Maintenance and the Issuing of an Order to force the Third Parties Involved in my loss of Position (That of Parent and Provider) to accept the full responsibility of Health Care, Nurturing, Education, Discipline, Entertaining etc. It would be our contention to name specifically any person, organisation or party involved in support of or Amendment of the Childrens Act in both their Personal as well as Professional Persona.

  • Jadé Pretorius - 2012-01-29 16:02

    As a teacher myself, there is a noticable difference between how things were and how they are currently. as it is, children have NO respect for authority because they know they cannot be touched. Now imagine it 100 times worse...

  • nerasmus1 - 2012-01-29 16:05

    Just wondering, how many of the members of these lobby groups actually have children? I've tried it all, the naughty spot, time-out and even the Sakabula threat and I can in all honesty say that none of them work as well as a quick smack on the bum when it comes to serious offenses.

      Mary - 2012-01-29 17:07

      A smack on the bum, by all means, but spanking? It shows that somewhere you have lost it as a parent.

      Grant - 2012-01-29 19:19

      @Mary - do you know what a spank is?? Its the same thing as a smack. This shows somewhere you have lost it as an English student...

      Moi - 2012-01-30 08:08

      Mary...I think you are the one who has lost the plot.

      Chantelle - 2012-01-30 09:24

      @mary - we have lost the plot? really? you have lost the plot. period. stop making a fool of yourself.

      Justin - 2012-01-30 09:43

      Mary!! it seems that YOU have lost it... look at what happened in the UK last year with the kids running a mok??? sometimes a good hiding is needed!!!

      VoiceOfReason - 2012-01-30 12:43

      I smack my 5yo son once in a blue moon these days because he has learnt that my word is law as his father. He had to be taught what was right and wrong in the first place as none of us are born knowing (It's when we get to 5 we know everything). My sister took the stance of non-contact punishment and she has 4 ungrateful brats on her hands. If anything these groups should be advising parents what is reasonable contact punishment rather than banning everything. Like children arent born knowing right from wrong us parents arent born knowing how to be good parents its a steep learning curve for all concerned. Also instead of having talks with children's rights campaigners, religious organisations and traditional leaders they should ask 20,000 parents from each province, then they'll get a fair and very balanced viewpoint.

      cheryl.kristiansen - 2012-01-31 11:47

      @VoiceOfReason. Agree with you. A small child does not understand lectures. Using words too big for them. In fact, i think it makes them feel inadequate. One good sharp smack on the bum lets them know exactly where they stand. i don't sulk or go on and on - just a smack and its over. my children are happy well adjusted members of society with no issues.

  • Andrew - 2012-01-29 16:07

    Is this lot serious, since when can discipline not be carried out in the home. Tell them to smoke a different weed and just maybe they will wake up to a world where manners and respect for elders are tops.

  • Max - 2012-01-29 16:07

    Why on earth would she want to discuss it with traditional leaders? Their morality is suspect enough, they don't spank children they marry them.

      Deirdre - 2012-01-30 12:41

      No Max they cut off bits and and use it for muti!!

  • Sylvia - 2012-01-29 16:09

    There's a huge difference between a spanking for bad behaviour, and child abuse. I think this is a really bad move. Children rule these days.

  • Deon - 2012-01-29 16:10

    Liberal idiots trying to preach to everybody else how they should and should not live because they are under the mistaken impression that they know best Their ideas have not worked out well previously Nothing like a good spanking at the right place and time to put a child back into the civilised fold

      stefanie.dutoit.Ash - 2012-01-29 16:24

      What I cannot understand is how these people still call themselves 'liberal'. Surely the way liberals try to rule everyone else goes agaisnt the very nature of what the word liberal is supposed to mean? The horrible, oppresive right-wingers are usually far more adept at saying 'leave me the f@ alone and let me live my life the way I feel and you can live the way you feel'. It is quite simply not possible to raise a child without spanking him now and then. Over-zealous spanking is obviously not acceptable, but spanking in principle is simply the way the world functions. Even an animal in the wild does its own form of "spanking" when its offspring act out of line.

      antowan - 2012-01-29 16:34

      Liberal idiots indeed... They love to dictate to others how they should live. What they need to do is mind their own bloody business!

  • Ian - 2012-01-29 16:18

    hence the plummeting failure rate, so long as the brats can put a x next to anc who the f cares, so what if they fail and turn to crime in order to survive, you people have totally lost the plot

  • Enlightened - 2012-01-29 16:19

    Spanking has been banned in all of the northern European countries for decades and yet, academically they are among the worlds best, socially ditto. Trouble here is that kids are brought up to believe brawn, not brain rules,That's one of the main reasons for all the fighting in clubs and schools. If I think you're wrong and I'm stronger than you, I WILL be right. It is simply a matter of how the problem is handled. If things are handled properly, there is absolutely no need for corporal punishment of children.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-01-29 16:26

      Have you seen the children in London? Superb examples of model citizens.

      Deon - 2012-01-29 16:40

      I agree with @goyougoodthing. Have you ever stood at a bust stop in the UK with these uncouth, undisciplined hooligans in the vicinity? Have you also seen the amount of youths that is involved with drugs, gangs and general immoral conduct? Sorry to burst your bubble but Dr. Spock was a quack and anybody who believes in his teachings is a crock

      Kyle - 2012-01-29 16:45

      @Enlightened What a moron..... "academically they are among the worlds best, socially ditto." BWHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH my cousin is a teacher in london.... he says the kids there have no brains and no respect for anyone or anything.... please before speaking rubish actually get a friggin clue!

      goyougoodthing - 2012-01-29 16:49

      Kyle my friend teaches Primary School children in Kent and she says they are like animals. Imagine high school! The hoodies used to harass my wife on her way home from work each day and and and... I wish there was still corporal punishment in school here.

      Visvang - 2012-01-29 17:01

      Yes genius!! Ask Anders Breivik! Hidings have been banned in England and I suppose there's never a fight at a club or school??

      Ronald - 2012-01-29 21:01

      Enlightened,some European countries,eg Netherlands,have also lowered the age of consensual sex to the age of 14,in effect legalising certain instances of paedophilia.Are we going the same "liberal" route?It's amazing how the liberal minority is affecting the lives of the average South African that is struggling to maintain discipline in his/her house,seeing that there are more single parents as well as two parent families that all have to work long hours to survive.What you are envisioning is a system implemented in a perfect society where all the necessary back up is in place and available.Unfortunately no such country or society exist as people are imperfect,and will stay so.Look again at the examples that you hold forth to prove your point.More and more social problems are being experienced at ground roots in Europe because of a total disregard for authority and lack of discipline(youth court cases escalating drastically, child on child crimes, youth criminals, to such an extent that UK wants to bring back corporeal punishment).The liberals in SA have cost the lives of many South Africans after the gun laws had changed,in effect disarming the average citizen,before removing the threat of those we need to be protected against.Do the liberals want to take over raising my child, tell me what to eat, think, drive, because if they(you?) are,that comes with the responsibility of you,not me,fixing it if it doesn't work. Not just pulling up the shoulders and saying you tried. B.S.

      Showerhead Zooma - 2012-01-29 21:39

      Exactly which northern European countries? Facts please. Do you even have kids? You moron!

      Showerhead Zooma - 2012-01-29 21:42

      I'm from Britain. Spanking in the home has never been banned there. Nevertheless, British kids are thuggish yobs in general, and very violent, and not very bright. Please move on with your drivel.

      Lynn - 2012-01-29 22:54

      @ Enlightened. I am a spanker and I only had to spank my child a few times to get this message across - I AM THE BOSS, I AM YOUR PARENT NOT YOUR FRIEND, I AM ACTING IN YOUR BEST INTEREST. Why do people respect the sea? Because it is dangerous and it can hurt them. I am not saying that parents should beat their kids. What I am saying is that a little bit of fear instilled at the right age can save you and your child a lot of trouble later in life. My child is a well behaved, well adjusted responsible human being. I have friends who did the liberal no spanking thing and are too scared to take their children to other peoples homes. They do not get on well with their peers because they have no respect for anyone including their parents. They are unpleasant to be around because they are so precocious that they think they know more than adults do. If you are happy to be around such brats great. I personally believe a spank on the backside never hurt anybody. I can at least live with my child. Many of these parents who have not disciplined their children constantly need breaks away from their kids because they can't cope with the little monsters they have created.

  • Spoed - 2012-01-29 16:20

    why is it that we the people cannot vote on these issues? death penalty, spanking at schools ext..-these are things that we should determine not fat cats in goverment with their body guards & thick wallets....how is it possible that we cannot stand together and demand referendums on these issues?

      antowan - 2012-01-29 16:32

      We can but we really have to protest like mad to get there...

      Johan - 2012-01-30 12:33

      Voting doesn't always work - look what the vote got us.

      Johnny - 2012-01-31 10:53

      I dont even want to vote on this issue... I stand by my principles in MY household. They have nothing to do with my personal life and it will stay this way. There ARE current laws for abuse... but the failure is enforcing these laws !! (though, I would love to vote on death penalty!!)

      Paul - 2012-01-31 16:38

      @ Spoed Simply because that what we did in the old days. It was called a referendum. We live in a delusional world. Somehow government, Social "HELP" groups and including the medical profession are all the same Symptoms are to be treated never the cause !!!!!

  • antowan - 2012-01-29 16:23

    They can rightiously go and f*** themselves! Interfering with this will create a society more unruly than it is already!

  • Clive - 2012-01-29 16:25

    I believe that this is a good thing. Just think.. Little johnny gets out of hand, I give him a good hiding, he reports me to the authorities and Hey Presto, I am carted off to prison. (Not exactly sure where they will find a place for me to sleep, but hey the constitution covers me here.. its my right to be treated like royalty). Anyway, little Johnny now finds himself (herself) "home alone". Who exactly will cook his meals, clean up after him, ensure that he gets to school, does his homework... Oh I think you get the gist of the story?!!! So what is it to be? Foster or Self care? Any of these retarded "do gooders" give that one a thought??? Just asking

  • Wayne - 2012-01-29 16:26

    I think they all need a good spanking, so they can wake up and smell the roses.

  • Matt - 2012-01-29 16:27

    This isnt going to stop child abuse at all. Sad that these peeps have nothing better to worry about in their than how others raise their kids.

  • Piet - 2012-01-29 16:29

    One thing that my dad taught me: Never spank a child when you are angry! Because then you are not punishing the child but getting rid of your own frustration. When we were little, we had to wait in our rooms while my parents discussed what happened. (Actually I later found out that my dad used this time to calm down). We always knew why we were punished! Do I spank my kids? Yes, but never in anger.

      antowan - 2012-01-29 16:31

      Well said!

      ronald.stilianou - 2012-01-29 21:24

      thanks Piet, that is very good advise

      Randomhero6661 - 2012-01-30 15:12

      quite smart...ill remember that one...for the future.

  • Garth - 2012-01-29 16:31

    Nelson Mandela, in his infinite wisdom, granted children equal rights. He even wanted to lower the voting age to 16, remember? How can anyone, with an underdeveloped brain, control their own destiny. Allow the child to grow up with discipline and respect, and we shall build a nation. Respect, in most children, is only achieved through consistency. And if that child is consistently bad, then consistently punish them. An open hand, applied with power to the buttocks and then a soul-searching heart-to-heart does a misbehaving kid the world of good. The useless anc promotes indiscipline - they would have everyones' children ignorant and undisciplined. That is their support base.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-01-29 16:43

      He wanted 16 so he would win more votes.

      Garth - 2012-01-29 17:12

      Yes - he wanted under developed minds to vote. He has that now without lowering the age limit and look at the shiite that we are in!

  • Lucky Manaswe - 2012-01-29 16:32

    My parents gave me a few spanks on the bum whenever I was out of control and I thank them for that. I don't have a child now but there is no law that will ever prevent me from giving my naughty kids a spank if they deserve it. These little fellows can be very naughty and there is no way I'm gonna raise a spoilt, rude and disrespectful child. The only thing I don't like is spanking your kids in public.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-30 10:05

      I agree, the thought of me getting a hiding when I got home put the fear in me... The clang of the belt buckle on the door was enough on most cases for me to stop my misbehaviour.. I was not beaten, I was disciplined, a few whacks on the bum with a coat-hanger made sure I never poured perfume over my mother's carpet again..

  • stephenbaum - 2012-01-29 16:33

    Spare the rod, spoil the child. You only have to look in countries in Europe and others where it is illegal to spank your child. They are raising a generation of defunct kids. This group is part of the same crowd such as the human rights commission who decided that it is unconstitutional to have the death penalty as well as lawyers for human rights who defend the rights of those who should have no rights due to actions such as murder, rape, child abuse, etc. First they banned the death penalty resulting in the highest murder rate for a country not at war in the world, then took corporal punishment out of schools. Look where that got us. Teachers these days fear for their lives while doing their jobs. Now with a law banning spanking your own kids as a way to discipline them, can you imagine the chaos that will follow that? The child's rights project is nothing other than a humanistic organisation that operates on the idea that man is sufficient for all of man's problems and what God says about raising kids does not apply in the daily raising and discipline of children. One thing I would like to ask them is where will they be when all the kids who could have been raised under this insane law commit a crime as a direct result of it, will they claim responsibility for these kids actions as having contributed to the upbringing of a generation of kids who have no respect for authority and fellow human beings.

      phill.erasmus - 2012-01-29 18:50

      Let's think further ahead - once this step has been taken it would be impossible to reverse! As this generation would be to unable to discipline the next generation as they would not know what correct behavior or discipline is...

      aardvarkie - 2012-01-30 13:43

      Completely agree.

      flysouth - 2012-01-31 13:31

      Britain is a case in point. The recent riots, looting and burning were carried out by exactly the people who grew up under the law, existing in Britain for many years, prohibiting corporal punishment by parents! The extraordinary thing was that many of these rioters were found to be children of parents who were not poor and deprived and who grew up in a financially comfortable environment. However they had experienced no effective discipline - neither from their parents, as the law dictated and intended, nor of course from the schools. It is a recipe for disaster and in fact it is no business at all of government how parents raise their children.

  • Michelle - 2012-01-29 16:42

    IF YOU READ SKY NEWS TODAY, YOU SEE THAT LACK OF SPANKING , RESULTED IN THE LONDON RIOTS!!! HOW FUNNY! THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE LAW IN ENGLAND , SO THAT YOU CAN SPANK YOUR CHILD!!

      John - 2012-01-29 17:52

      Only the working class though... the upper classes can pay someone to do it for them

  • Alex - 2012-01-29 16:57

    Another case where a minority dictates how they rest of us should live, some examples would be FICA, RICA.

  • Wayne - 2012-01-29 16:57

    This group has lost the plot... Applied correctly and justifiably there is no reason why discipline in the early stages cannot be applied in this manner. Failure to instill discipline will lead to generations of uncontrollable brats with little respect for their elders and each other.

  • Happy - 2012-01-29 17:00

    I think Julius Malema is a perfect example as to why children SHOULD be spanked!!! Jokes aside though, this group clearly does not know anything about parenting and the importance of discipline in ones life. Funny story thats on par with this topic. I was at a Engen 1 Stop halfway to Durban and it was raining cats and dogs. As I approached the shop, there was a lady standing there with a little kid. The kid was still in diapers, I know this because the kid was lacking any pants.Im assuming that he was 2 or 3 years old. Anyways to cut a long story short, there was a play gym/ jungle gym in front of the shop. The kid was insisting on playing on it. However the mother obviously dint want him to due to the weather. He starts throwing a tantrum, kicks her and goes running off into the rain and onto the jungle gym, but not before he turns around and screams "F*** you Mommy!!!!". And the mothers reaction to that entire scene was "Be careful Honey" with somewhat of a smile on her face. And this is why children need to be spanked should they do something wrong.

      Karlien - 2012-01-31 09:21

      disgusting little brat!

  • jacqui.grigg - 2012-01-29 17:02

    What an absolute bunch of hooey! I have seen how disrespectful children are of authority (teachers) and they get away with it. Well this little get out of jail free card (eg no spanking) is going to them into jail in later life. Lovely. Kids, OUR KIDS, that we have given birth to, will now be granted more rights, by a government that had nothing to do with their conception and doesn't contribute a cent to their upbringing.

  • Visvang - 2012-01-29 17:06

    If my children step out of line I will give them a hiding! It's my democratic right!! If the Children's Rights Project don't like it, they can go sit in the naughty corner!!

  • Wayne - 2012-01-29 17:07

    Wow , nice to see that for once all race groups agree on something . I thank my dad for the hidings that he gave me as a child , made me a better person.

  • Robert Adshade - 2012-01-29 17:25

    this is madness. in the Bible it gives clear instruction that father have to teach their children. go read Proverbs. this country is getting worse and worse!!

      Henri James Christie - 2012-01-29 19:19

      That's just the problem, most Biblical principles are being overridden by???? You guessed it, human rights.

      Kyle - 2012-01-30 07:14

      please dont bring biblical fiction into real world situations....

      Merven - 2012-01-30 13:39

      The bible also states that a disrespectful kid must be stoned to death: All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT) Deuteronomy 21:18-21 “If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

      Deirdre - 2012-01-30 14:06

      @Kyle ok then but let's do take a look at how lionesses punish their cubs, primates take down a young upstart, even antelope have a hierarchy that the young ones adhere, and the enforcing of this hierarchy is none too pretty ...

  • drummond.doig1 - 2012-01-29 17:39

    I will discipline my children and if it means a hiding as a last resort . thats how it will be. Amazingly (not)I dont have to beat the kids everytime they misbehave. After one good hiding they seem to have accepted that the alternative to a respectful request to stop acting up is rosy bum cheeks. Now I speak and they decide, do they listen or do they feel. They have the right to say why they feel they do not deserve to be punished etc

  • Erica Jansen van Vuuren - 2012-01-29 17:41

    My eldest tried to scare me with the welfare so I honestly told her that if she went, then she had to ensure they had a bed for her. She got her hiding and four years later she is willing to work, not lounge around like most disrespectful teens do. My other two, we constantly get complemented on how well behaved they are. Why? Because when they get out of line, they get a hiding, nothing that will bruise their bodies, never that bad! I love them. Spare the rod, spoil the child. Give a child good grounding and you will have a strong adult.

  • Erica Jansen van Vuuren - 2012-01-29 17:41

    My eldest tried to scare me with the welfare so I honestly told her that if she went, then she had to ensure they had a bed for her. She got her hiding and four years later she is willing to work, not lounge around like most disrespectful teens do. My other two, we constantly get complemented on how well behaved they are. Why? Because when they get out of line, they get a hiding, nothing that will bruise their bodies, never that bad! I love them. Spare the rod, spoil the child. Give a child good grounding and you will have a strong adult.

  • Natanya - 2012-01-29 17:45

    creating a future like those British yobs.

      sachasea - 2012-01-31 16:38

      I agree Natanya. If anyone wants to take a look at what we can expect our youth to turn out like watch this video. It provoked a storm of controversy in the UK, because many people are subject to similar unsavory experiences: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKKADFIEX84

  • Julie - 2012-01-29 18:16

    Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Wyoming are the 19 U.S. States that allow disciplinary beating of schoolchildren in taxpayer funded schools in 2012, already Illegal in Schools in 31 U.S. States, search "A Violent Education" for disturbing facts! Mandatory Reporters of suspected child abuse, school teachers, coaches and administrators, legally hit schoolchildren, K-12, with thick wooden paddles, SEXUAL ASSAULT when done to a non-consenting adult, to inflict Pain as Punishment for minor infractions, some states such as Tennessee do not require parental consent or notification for schoolchildren to be "Paddled". Several "School Paddling States" have "Teacher Immunity Laws" to protect school employees from criminal/civil action, leaving INJURED schoolchildren's families NO LEGAL REDRESS! U.S. Federal Courts uphold outrageous incidents of school paddling and the U.S. Supreme Court declines to hear school corporal punishment appeals. Please add your voice to federal bill to Abolish School Corporal Punishment of Students in ALL U.S. Schools at donthitstudents dot com

      Assis - 2012-01-30 00:18

      Julie, you so busy riding your high horse that you can see the wood for the trees. If you want to stop violence in schools focus rather on fighting bullying rather...if you consider that bullicide is now a term used just shows how serious and bigger the issue is than spanking.

      Donald - 2012-01-30 01:50

      I grew up in a time when caning at school was acceptable. Here is what I figured out... If you do as you are told, pass tests and exams, don't fight and show respect to the teachers and adults around you, you don't get caned. Then I noticed that by giving respect, I started getting it back. Weird hey?

      Kyle - 2012-01-30 07:16

      you do realise this is SA, and an SA site... dont really give a damn about what the US does or doesnt do.

      Sally Lewitt - 2012-01-30 13:38

      Hey Julie, from which site did you "copy and paste" this hogwash from?? Please don't tell me you're a South African? Or are you a USA citizen wannabe? We ARE in good ol' South Africa and we will raise our kids accordingly and what is BEST for them. Ya know, SA kids..

  • johan.erlank - 2012-01-29 18:17

    Stop this planet, I want to get off....

  • Jan - 2012-01-29 18:24

    Shades of the UK's nanny society. And look how well that's turned out.

  • Nadine Booyse - 2012-01-29 18:51

    It's not going to fix child abuse, infact, this is telling kids it's ok to Misbehave, and be rude. Trust me bad idea!!! I am living in the USA now and kids run wild, detention and grounding don't work. Like my mamma used to say "as jy nie wil luister nie, Moët jy voel."

  • H.Les.Mitchell - 2012-01-29 19:10

    No! Don't do it! They passed this ruling in England and now the country is infested with uncontrollable, unloved and unhappy little brats. The kindest thing one ccan say about them is that it's not their fault; it is the fault of "Rights Groups" who stuck their collective noses in where they did not belong. Having lived in South Africa for more than half my life I can tell you - you have some of the best behaved children in the world. Why? Because they were disciplined in their formative years. Spanking a child is not a criminal act. Brutalising a child IS a brutal act.

  • Vegi - 2012-01-29 19:16

    I am not even interested in considering the pros and cons of this nonsence, it does not affect me. I will discipline my children as any reasonable parent does. The children's rights groupings can go and hang.

      Irene - 2012-01-29 19:29

      It won't affect you Vegi. You're such a despicable creature that you would never get yourself into a situation where you could possibly breed.

      jerry.pres - 2012-01-31 00:32

      To Irene - Congratulation you just won title "Biggest Arshole of The Day" for your amazing comment

  • Mattewis - 2012-01-29 21:07

    I bet Julius Malema is probably saying "look how well I turned out, and I was never spanked!"

      John - 2012-01-30 10:42

      Mattewis, spank him they should have strangled him!

      Merven - 2012-01-30 13:42

      Pity Julius wasn't friends with Stompie...

  • marietjie.bloemhoff - 2012-01-29 21:21

    Well, i guess after this i will be in prison soon.. but this government will not tell me how my child should be raised, thanks to the wonderful parents I had, and many spankings(very necessary), I am a hard working honest, TAX PAYING CITIZEN of this land, so please us my money wisely and help the poor, fix the roads or at least help eskom and stop feeding the dumb ass people who spent their hole life trying to run others!!!

  • Assis - 2012-01-30 00:04

    It's amazing spanking is not allowed but bullying which is more prevalent and rampant gets not one mention.

  • Theresa Love - 2012-01-30 00:20

    i think this is ridiculous. every child needs discipline. and time out does not work. kids need a spankin when naughty. this stupid thing is never goin 2 stop child abuse. the abusers will still abuse. i think this is so stupid gosh. at the moment abusers get a sentence but is that stoppin them? NO!!! nw you wana ban spankin? wat is up with this government? im sure every parent will disagree with this ban. as every parent should know to really love a child they need love, care and discipline! or our kids which r to b the future will b spoilt lil brats doin as they please with no respect for themselves or any1 else, they will b swearing like troopers. i cant believe how ridiculous this is and any parent that agrees with this ban needs to have the head re-examined

  • Theresa Love - 2012-01-30 00:33

    this government needs to stop worring about a stupid lil spanking and worry more about the crime and corruption in this place. can u imagine how our kids the future will be uneducated, pregnant at extreamly young ages, drinking and smoking when they want to as they will know that the worst that could happen to them is one of the possessions are taken away as there discipline! every child needs a spanking, just a spanking to be brought up correctly with manners and respect

  • Ben - 2012-01-30 04:23

    Nobody from Africa should be telling someone from an older civilization how to bring up their children or anything else for that matter. The clever way is look, listen and learn.

      Paddy - 2012-01-31 23:33

      We, on the southern tip of Africa, have looked at continents to the north, and listened, and it seems that the vast majority has learned that following that example would lead to the same disaster. No, we're not telling you, we're deciding for ourselves. Thank you for the thought.

  • george.kamfer - 2012-01-30 07:10

    I guess none of these people have kids!

  • Arlene Levitan - 2012-01-30 07:27

    Stop spanking? Perhaps we could better spend the effort on finding ways to effectively protect children from real abuse. Where are these people when a couple who beat their three month old senseless are found guilty of mere assault?

  • Hendrik - 2012-01-30 07:34

    Just Google 'How to raise a criminal'. We as parents have to think for our kids. This is totally absurd and stupid, and doesn't work.

  • Moi - 2012-01-30 08:04

    If I'm not mistaken, spanking is a criminal offence in the uk...and their youth are such a shining example. Yeah, that's really the way we want to go.

  • Cathy - 2012-01-30 08:15

    Honestly where will it end! Look at the countries where this law has been passed and tell me that the children are delightful. They are a bunch of arrogant, misbehaving brats. This country can't even police it's criminals, how exactly will they enforce this law?