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Hanekom: Let's talk about 'shoot the boer'

2011-04-15 21:09

Johannesburg - There should be a national dialogue about the song "awudubhule ibhunu" or "shoot the boer", given that some people had been offended by it, Deputy Science and Technology Minister Derek Hanekom said on Friday.

"If it offends certain people, I strongly believe we should engage one another," Hanekom told the Johannesburg Equality Court during a heated cross examination by AfriForum's lawyer Martin Brassey.

He was testifying for the defence in ANC Youth League president Julius Malema's hate speech hearing.

Hanekom said singing of the song was not a reference to an ethnic group, but to a system of racial oppression. He told the court it would be helpful if the people who felt hurt by the song understood it.

"The spirit [in which it is sung] does not even constitute hate speech."

Hanekom said there was no intention to harm or incite violence when the song was sung.

"It's in a friendly atmosphere... .We need to talk to each other a bit more," he said.

In his experience in the ANC, which he joined in 1980, it was never the party's intention to "exclude anybody", Hanekom testified.

The ANC's main objective was to bring about a non-racial, non-sexist and united society, he said. During the struggle, liberation songs were "just that".

"White, black, Jewish, Muslim... people sang struggle songs... It was very important as a mobilisation tool."

Today, he said, the singing of liberation songs was a celebration of "who we are". They represented "every part of our history", "and the fact we've brought to an end an unjust system".

Public dialogue

Hanekom added in cross examination that the ANC had the powers to "instruct any of us". He was replying to a question by Brassey, who asked if the ANC could stop Malema from singing the song.

"Mr Malema has been under restraint from singing the song," Brassey said.

Hanekom then again suggested the need for public dialogue.

"Let's sit down and discuss it... .We have a country that we all love... entering into dialogue can only be beneficial," Hanekom replied.

He added it would be highly inappropriate if it was the only song Malema sang.

Referring to the 1995 Rugby World Cup, held in South Africa and which South Africa won, Brassey asked Hanekom what he would have thought if former president Nelson Mandela had sung the song at the event.

Hanekom said the question was hypothetical, but he thought Mandela would not have sung it, as it would have been inappropriate. Malema would not have sung it at the event either, he said.

Have no fear

Earlier on Friday, the court heard that a witness, a farmer, "was too afraid to testify".

Lawyer for farmers' organisation Tau-SA, Roelof du Plessis told Judge Colin Lamont that his witness, who had been the victim of a farm attack, had decided not to come forward out of fear for his life.

"The witness expressed sincere discomfort and apprehension. He has also raised concerns over his family, and for that reason will not testify on Friday," Du Plessis told the court.

Lamont advised Du Plessis that his witness "need have no fear" as far as safety and security within the court was concerned. Du Plessis said the witness was worried about what would happen "outside this court".

Malema was dressed in a navy blue suit on Friday and was seen sipping an energy drink.

The trial was adjourned to Monday at 10:00.

Comments
  • Tina - 2011-04-15 21:23

    Some things in life are just not negotiable. Like death and taxes. And this is one of them. One does NOT "rejoice" in the killing of anybody, no matter what spirit it is supposedly being sung under. Full stop.

      windkind - 2011-04-15 21:32

      @mswati - You "am" sing that song and remain ignorant of the English language. Poor ignorant fool.

      Gert Jurgens - 2011-04-15 21:35

      @Mswati - Make peace with God cause your time is coming...much sooner than you think

      Mswati - 2011-04-15 21:35

      By the way English is my third language lower grade.

      Mswati - 2011-04-15 21:42

      @ Gert Jurgens, I do not believe in ferry tales but even if I die now, I will be in peace.

      william.botha - 2011-04-15 21:45

      Mswati, I read that Peter Mokaba started that song, that isn't a veteran struggle song.

      velastardust - 2011-04-15 21:53

      @Mswati. Visit the local library and learn how to spell and read, bro. Access to public libraries are free. Oh dear, they were burn down in protest ! And oh, sorry, you don't have one now due to lack of service delivery and maladministration of public funds. Shame bru, now I understand why you are feeling sore.

      GeneralCS - 2011-04-15 21:53

      This is actually the greatest problem in South Africa. While I think it's great for everyone to embrace their culture and language, the 11 language system has divided us beyond colors. If every South African could communicate on the same medium, then everything would be so much easier. You will only be doing yourself a disfavor by fighting against the English language. It's the universal language. Let's embrace it, be good at it, and I guarantee you that you'll be more successful in life.

      Mswati - 2011-04-15 21:59

      My spelling mistakes are due to the fact that I am busy with something while posting my comment, no excuse though but that is not going to stop singing this song.

      Jan Spies - 2011-04-16 02:01

      @Mswati...ok...so, you will never stop singing the ANC struggle song...even though according to history, it is not originally an ANC struggle song? I'm not arguing....just get your facts straight before posting, if you knew about the information below...I would assume that you were an avid PAC supporter? Here you go: http://www.leadershiponline.co.za/articles/politics/496-kill-the-boer >>tl;dr "No documentary or other evidence could be found that the chant or related songs were indeed ANC liberation songs before 1993, when the liberation struggle was practically over and constitutional negotiations in full swing." ... "What is even more interesting is that part of the record of submissions made to the HRC at the time contains a letter from Motlanthe, then ANC secretary-general, stating that the ‘’utterance has never been, cannot and will never be a slogan of the ANC, not used by the ANC at all.’’ The logical assumption then is that, according to Motlanthe, it was not part of the ANC’s liberation struggle heritage." Unless someone has some other link to prove me wrong or I horribly misunderstood what was going on in the link...it's been a long day :)

      Nicholas - 2011-04-18 11:56

      @Mswati Would you then enjoy if the lighter folk started singing hang the koon? its a struggle now and that can be our new struggle song as the New South Africa. ITS A NEW SOUTH AFRICA. GET RID OF THE OLD WAYS And move forward

  • velastardust - 2011-04-15 21:32

    Derek Hanekom, don't shame yourself by becoming a token white spin doctor for the ANC. Hate speech is hate speech in any mans language. The song in question has hate speech lyrics. Hate speech in this country should be non-negotiable and banned. It is not historic folk, freedom of speech or anything else. It is incitement and hate speech. Get the message Derek !

      Mswati - 2011-04-15 21:44

      You only realise just now that the song is a hate speech, I have been singing it since I was young. I am not going to stop now.

      otiose - 2011-04-15 21:52

      @MSwati - You have also been an idiot since you where young, and unfortunately that you also will not stop now

      Mswati - 2011-04-15 22:00

      Atleast I am not your garden boy

      Rudi - 2011-04-15 22:01

      To summarise.. "We care more about singing the song than we care about people being affected by it, ie the boere". "We" being the trolls on this site and Malemas followers. This hate speech case is getting on my nerves because News24 isnt telling half of it. They only specify the little "victories" which the defence's witnes' accomplish. They say nothing about how this Derek chap basically refused to state what the literal meaning of the words "shoot the boer" implies and had no answer when asked : "if boer refers to a system, how can a system be a dog? And how can a system be a rapist?" Basically this whole court case is being miscontrued (spelling?) by the media. Could we have expected more? And lastly **MSWATI** people dont mind the colour black, what they mind is this "revolution" and how it will affect their lives. Malema is doing major damage at the moment. Just look at the comments on this page. Blacks and whites are sick of eachother. The glass castle which alot of people are trying SO hard to defend is being shattered to pieces by Julius. Oh! Go look up the word demigogue. Basically he's playing YOUR needs and wishes to have political gain. To put it into simpler terms. He's playing you!!!!!

      Rudi - 2011-04-15 22:08

      They are called "Gardeners" not "Garden boy" you dick. Chip on your shoulder coz someone got you a job somewhere. I promise you my gardener does a hard days work everday, unlike you. Sorry if im presumtious but you seem like a oxygen thief.

      Mswati - 2011-04-15 22:12

      I have to go sleep now, tomorrow is another busy day.

      Thandiwe83 - 2011-04-15 22:26

      Stop fighting each other...and inciting hatred...All of you...

      Together - 2011-04-16 01:44

      Mswati, be free. It's a new day, a new time - you can lay down the anger.

      Tc - 2011-04-16 08:02

      Especially for Hanekom.. "Prrr, Prrr, Pa, Pa!" And the other sell-outs.. "Prrr, Prrr, Pa, Pa!" Come on guys, let's make our own struggle songs! We need them now!

  • windkind - 2011-04-15 21:39

    It would be awesome to sit down and discuss it intelligently as suggested, but unfortunately the apes of the Youth League are too stupid to do anything other than spread HIV and talk about how they are going to steal their next million around a bottle of Johnny Walker Blue.

  • william.botha - 2011-04-15 21:42

    LMAO-I think thats what they're doing in court Derek.

  • Peter - 2011-04-15 21:48

    Oh come on!! What do you expect from a minister who owes his job to the ANC. Do we really expect him to say anything else? Songs about shooting people have no place in a culture where murder, rape and mayhem are rife. Unfortunately, Julius Malema and his compatriots are the future of this country, encouraged by the encouraged by the likes of Mr Hanekom and similar minded sycophants, and this is why my wife and I have decided to leave and spend our hard-earned retirement elsewhere

      Mswati - 2011-04-15 22:07

      Relax Peter Farmer, just go make tea for Norma, you will be fine. No need to go crowd other people

      Moropa - 2011-04-16 11:56

      Fare thee well, meneer Piet or Peter. It's long over due. We're not gonna miss you.

      wide awake - 2011-04-18 12:40

      Mswati and Moropa - It sad to see two people obviously so brainwashed by the cANCer, that they cannot see anything else. Sing your song it is keeping you happy and distracted while your cANcer steal everything and drive you and the country all the way into the sewerage.

      Stef_Bosh24 - 2011-04-18 14:13

      @mswati & Moropa you f@cking chops. look at zim and where it is, in fact look at any African country. simple math - no white man = no money = poor people starving. Take the white man (farmer) out of SA and guess what? What makes the black man in SA think he is so different than all the other blacks in the world? Name one successfull black farmer on commercial scale. And one last thing, do yourself a favour type "Julius Malema ia a" on google. haha

  • Gert Jurgens - 2011-04-15 21:48

    @Mswati : I seriously doubt you will be at peace with all the hatred you carry around. Not sure why you allow yourself to hate people you have never met. I am white, so why you want to shoot me ? You don't even know me man. But it's your life, do with it as you please. And it's plain unhealthy. Being angry the whole time causes cancer and all sorts of other illness

      fracham - 2011-04-15 22:00

      Just curious Gert , why do you bother to dialogue with Mswati.? There are certain situations that are no go zones. This may be one of them.Where there are no cracks no light will shine.

      Mswati - 2011-04-15 22:02

      I have no hatred, will never hate anyone. I am one of the few hard working blacks who fill offended by your racist rhetoric and generalizations.

      Gert Jurgens - 2011-04-15 22:18

      @fracham Not sure anymore man, but I will try anything. But you are right, no such luck here.

      Steve Wonderboy - 2011-04-15 22:21

      @Mswati There is none so blind as those that refuse to see. As far as I am aware the word Boer does refer not only to farmers but to white people in general. When you insist on singing that you wish to kill white people how can that not be considered racist? In other words you do not hate whites, you merely wish them dead right?

      Gert Jurgens - 2011-04-15 22:24

      @Steve I think we should leave poor Mswati alone, he obviously has to get up early to go to work and that just fuels his hatred. Siestog arme kind

      Together - 2011-04-16 01:52

      Mr Hanekom says "talk", but what you are saying is that we should all just listen. No problem - Mr Hanekom can keep on talking and singing: the rest of us, probably about 40 million, will continue to work at building united relationships so that together we can earn our livings, educate our kids, drink clean water, live in safety and build a united future. That's what most of us really want, and we know that all this strife is not going to get us there.

      wide awake - 2011-04-18 12:35

      Gert it's pointless conversing with someone who is either part of the corrupt racist cANCer or brainwashed by the cANCer, leave Mswati to sing his song and keep supporting the cANCer all the way into the sewerage. You cannot make a brainwashed puppet see anything else but his narrow minded vision of what his leaders want him to see.

  • william.botha - 2011-04-15 21:51

    I asked a black lady that works at my place what does the song "Shoot the boer" mean. She said that it means that the "township boys" wants to shoot the "mlungu's". I asked her if she would sing it, and she said she has never sung it before, and don't think she will because she "don't hang out with the tsotsies". Good woman that.

      Mswati - 2011-04-15 22:27

      She is a liar.

      william.botha - 2011-04-15 22:42

      Maybe so, but why would she lie? I will ask around some more, maybe more of us should do that.

      william.botha - 2011-04-15 22:44

      In actual fact I think most black people haven't sung that song.

      paulmandlankosi - 2011-04-15 22:56

      That is the way you think William, most people have sung the song.

      Rudi - 2011-04-15 23:06

      But then why do 66% of blacks regard it as hate speech? And as far as I've read about the song, its origen can't be traced to the ANC...

      william.botha - 2011-04-15 23:11

      How do you know that Paul? This song seems to have it's origins with Peter Mokaba. I think that this song appeals to a certain group of black and maybe some whites like Derek and Joe Slove, Ronnie Kasrils maybe, I don't know, but to be honest with you, I have never witnessed a live session, only on television. How do you interpret the song? No pun intended, this is just for interest sake. :-)

      Moropa - 2011-04-16 12:06

      She was scared of the "baas". It's pretty much the same as asking her who she's gonna vote for. She'll always try to be on your side for the sake of her job. Come the election day, she is going to vote for the liberation movement. Even the translation that she gave you is not correct. That is why your children should learn and pass at least one African language before they can graduate. Period.

      multicon - 2011-04-16 15:20

      Moropa, you are naive. I stopped at the gas station and asked the attendant about the meaning of the song. He shaped his hand like a pistol and aimed at me and acted like he is pulling the trigger. I asked him if it means to shoot the white man and he didn't answer, just smiled. The way he understands it is quite clear to me.

      william.botha - 2011-04-16 22:25

      Is that the best you can do Moropa. I spoke to more black people, I haven't had one that is in favor of the song. I also spoke to a young black guy at the petrol station, he was absolutely positive that it is a bad song. That was his words, it is a bad song and Malema is wrong in singing it.

      CrabSpotter - 2011-04-17 17:08

      @Mswati Me thinks you are a liar and misrepresenting yourself, i.e. a stirrer-troublemaker; find something else to do, jou leeglêer.

      John Wilderness - 2011-04-18 06:18

      William botha and Moropa are probably both white south Africans. The one (william botha) being rational and objective the other Morapa being narrow minded with a primitive mind set. Both white and so different and the same can be said about SA black people. Williams domestic worker a rational, objective person and Malema being duk, dom and difficult just like Morapa. Maybe Morapa, Malema and Mswati can all form their own government and country on Seal island in False bay W Cape and the rest of the free, progressive and objective thinkers like William botha and his domestic worker can get on with building a real good country.

  • CC - 2011-04-15 21:52

    But we are "entering into dialogue" - in court with a judge to decide on the final outcome. The ANC should kno w that dialogue can not solve everything - otherwise why did they plant boms prior 1994? All we need is someone who had absolutely enough of this ANC nonense and with the attitude: "...this is a cause I am prepared to die for."

      CC - 2011-04-15 21:56

      ...bombs that is :-)

      CC - 2011-04-15 22:15

      Mswati, do what? Its is just a comparison...before 1994 entering into dialogue did not work for the ANC so they planted bombs, post 1994 and dialogue does not work for those feeling offended by Malema singing a particular song, so they go to court. So once again, what do you want me to do? The court case is alrady ongoing! Malema said we should "angage" in the African way and not the western way. So clearly the African way would be to plant bombs if dialogue breaks down....or do I misunderstand you here Mswati? Please teach me your culture...I am curious and would like to understand.

      Thandiwe83 - 2011-04-15 22:27

      Don't die for it - I will do all I can to try and improve relations in my community and promote tolerance - will you? Make that your cause..

      CC - 2011-04-15 22:37

      Thandiwe, I fully support your vision. I was just quoting Mandela with the hope that someone with the same vision will become our leader again....

      Thandiwe83 - 2011-04-15 22:55

      Good to hear CC. The ANC needs a kick to return to the great party of the early 90s. As an electorate I hope we do this in May as it will be good for the country, the opposition and the ANC who will be a better party for it.

  • GeneralCS - 2011-04-15 21:57

    The problem with this case is all of the emphasis has been put on the song. I believe the song is just a tiny part of it, because if you go back to everything that Julius has said over the years, the pattern of hatred towards non-blacks is as clear as day. They should have built their case on his racist and hateful character, and the case would have been a slam dunk.

  • Withond - 2011-04-15 21:59

    @Mswati, please go to bed now, you had to much of something.

      Mswati - 2011-04-15 22:13

      I am not a baas boy, never will I be.

      velastardust - 2011-04-15 23:21

      @Mswati, go to bed. You are starting to write comments like a coconut.

      wide awake - 2011-04-18 12:59

      You are a baas boy Mswati - The cANCer and Mal-thing are your baas, they got your support while they f*ck you to death, go sing your song with your baas, maybe he will allow you to think beyond the narrow perspective you have been brainwashed into.

  • Boer - 2011-04-15 22:20

    HANEKOM JOU VERAAIER EK HOOP HULLE SKIET JOU EERSTE.

      Mswati - 2011-04-15 22:24

      Hulle sal nie hom skiet nie.

      CC - 2011-04-15 22:26

      Die "hulle" kan natuurlik vanaf enige kant van die draad kom :-)

      Mswati - 2011-04-15 22:29

      Jy lieg deur jou tande CC

      CC - 2011-04-15 22:39

      Mswati kan jy nie onderskei tussen feite en spekulasie nie? Antwoord liewer my pos hierbo...

      william.botha - 2011-04-15 22:49

      Wees paraat, moenie haat, dit maak blind.

      Tc - 2011-04-16 08:12

      "Prrr, Prrr, Pa, Pa" "Ja, vir Hanekon, Ja"

      Moropa - 2011-04-16 12:13

      Niemand gaan ons "baas" skiet nie. Jy dink soos ou Malema. Jy kan vra oom Visagie (don't touch me on my studio). We are just discussing here, we're not instigating war.

  • Gramsci - 2011-04-15 22:38

    Has anyone here heard of ETHICS? The ethics of hate speech, name-calling, etc., concerns a desire to create a world where there is hatred, naming, xenophobia, destruction, etc. Malema and anyone else who promotes this kind of ethics is doing the ANC no good at all. Why does the ANCYL not want to promote harmony, goodwill, love, charity, and so on. Understandably it requires an intellectual depth that (sadly) few true leaders have had in history; but those who have have brought their societies FORWARD, not BACKWARD. This whole sad episode is so backward-looking. So lacking in imagination and foresight. In short, it's utterly unethical.

      william.botha - 2011-04-15 22:48

      Yes, just read the comments and see how much other hate speech have resulted from this song. Not good cement to mend broken bridges.

  • paulmandlankosi - 2011-04-15 22:52

    Idiots insulting each over a meatless bone, grow up.

  • Gramsci - 2011-04-15 22:53

    Anyone who have been through a real war situation does NOT promote this kind of activity -- singing about killing other people. Do people in Rwanda, Bosnia, Cambodia, Vietnam ... (to name a few places) sings songs about killing? I think not. But Malema (who has never known a war situation)wants to play cowboys and crooks. He thinks killing is all a game. Has he ever killed anybody? If he has, he will definitely know the implications of that song. Maybe South Africa should have gone through a real war situation. Who knows; maybe it will.

      Rudi - 2011-04-15 23:09

      Juilus is a spoilt brat with the largest self entitlement issue i've ever seen. In my culture boys like that learn real fast to stfu and behave. Wasnt even part of the struggle the little shit, or rather overwieght shit.

  • Gramsci - 2011-04-15 23:04

    I think Hanekom is being more than disingenuous. Sure, what he says about the past is true. Struggle songs were certainly a mobilisation tool. But this is 2011, not 1976, 1983, or even 1994. It is 16/17 years since that last date. To what purpose of mobilisation does Peter Mokaba's song serve today? Should there not be songs about absent service delivery, corrupt tenderpreneurs, career politicians who treat the ANC as an employment agency? Where are the mobilisation songs about AIDS, crime, unemployment? Oh yes, I forgot. They do exist. Except, they are today sung against the new elite (ANC).

      Together - 2011-04-16 01:55

      The real struggle today is trying to explain why billions meant for delivery go missing on a regular basis. SA needs new struggle songs.

  • Garden_Route - 2011-04-15 23:51

    Agreed Melgo - a discussion is waste of time - as with the media tribunal. Lets rather just create our own song and call it "Shoot the Baboon - Kill the Baboon", and instead of lying what it is about lets rather just be honest and say the song is about shooting Malema.

      Daniel Jones - 2011-04-16 01:40

      I love this song!! Shoot the baboon, kill the baboon...eradicate him and his followers, trample him under foot...shoot the baboon, kill the baboon Of course the song is a metaphor against the unfair practice of quotas, the media tribunal and high petrol prices...shoot the baboon, kill the baboon

  • Derek Ueckermann - 2011-04-16 04:03

    What this country needs and what Mr Nelson Mandela wanted was a government that has the whole countries needs at heart. Not a corrupt government that make empty promises. We have the power to make a change...

  • Barend - 2011-04-16 06:27

    Derek Hanekom praat 'n klomp snert!!! Daai liedjie nverwys direk na wit Afrikaaners!!! Ek is lus en begin sing "skiet liberale blankes", wonder wat sal hy daarvan se!

      Moropa - 2011-04-16 12:18

      Jy maak geen verskil nie, met jou comment. You're like those who are chanting songs/slogans that promote violence.

  • The Wonderer - 2011-04-16 06:34

    It's the same thing with our flag, the old SA flag was still used a couple of years after '94, but soon after people stopped using it out of respect for others and switched to the new SA flag & used it with pride! No-one had to take anyone to court to have it banned to stop them from using it, it's out of decency...

      Tc - 2011-04-16 08:18

      Excellent point. The old flag is part of our history - let's bring it back!

      John Wilderness - 2011-04-18 06:07

      @The_wonder - That is a good point. Can't agree with you more. @TC - What else would you really like to bring back TC ? While you about it why not switch the "lights" off and send us back to the dark ages.

  • The Wonderer - 2011-04-16 07:12

    There's proof here that people have acted on that chant & killed farmers: In August 1999, Thomas Ramaila told the Truth and Reconciliation Commission that he had been a PAC operative and had been influenced by what he called a PAC slogan, namely “kill the farmer, kill the Boer” to kill a farmer, Neville Rudman. Most of Ramaila’s testimony and his amnesty application were rejected, but his reference to the slogan was not. Kill the boer chant was never an ANC struggle song: In 2002, then president Thabo Mbeki, as president of the ANC, and in 2003 then ANC secretary-general Kgalema Motlanthe - who is now ANC deputy president - firmly and unambiguously distanced the ANC from any such song or slogan, saying it had never been, and would never be, a part of the ANC. No claim was made then that it – in any form - ever had been an ANC liberation struggle song.

      Dave - 2011-04-16 07:22

      I have read this history a number of times, that it was a PAC song, that the ANC originally distanced itself from it...and now they claim it as their own. I hope this history will be laid bare in court

      whiteass - 2011-04-16 07:59

      The song has only one purpose and that is to promote racial hate, Malema knows this, I can’t wait to see him testify.

      Gramsci - 2011-04-16 08:47

      Could it not be that the song expresses the re-racialisation of SA politics; the kind of "Africanisation" that has to do with the IDEOLOGY of Africanness that the PAC represented, and which appeals to Malema and his moronic fellow-travellers. There's a big difference between "African" as an ideology (which is backward-looking and idealises a mythic past that is thereby invented), and "African" as a concrete, realistic and contextual attitude that is forward-looking. And that's partly why this insistance on "ANC heritage" etc is a dead-end. It is backward-looking [the correct word is ATAVISTIC]and goes nowhere. Successful societies and people are forward-looking, and have the courage, intelligence and leadership to go where none have gone before. They have vision and imagination. Quite clearly, Malema, Winnie, Zuma (and now Hanekom) have none of these qualities.

      Gramsci - 2011-04-16 09:11

      @The Wonderer I hope Hanekom is reading your comment. He does not address the question of the ethics of incitement. Songs are not innocent. They are emotive (and motivating). There are many cases in history where songs etc. have been used for political purposes. Rwanda, Nazi Germany and certin militant Islamic movements come to mind. So, if Malema incites murder, and some brainless idiot becomes motivated by that incitement, does Malema not become culpable in the resulting murder; and himself a murderer and guilty of murder? Evidently, the Allies after WW2 thought Julius Streicher -- editor of Der Sturmer, which incited violence against Jews and other "enemies" of the Nazi state -- a war criminal. He was convited and hanged. Winnie (our own Julius's supporter) is also a murder by incitement and association (Stompie murder). Lastly, how does this song-madness correspond to teh ANC's own "nation-building" discourse. What sort of nation does it imagine and hope to bring about? A nation of murderers? We can choose to be men or murderers.

  • tiotudg - 2011-04-16 07:44

    Ek het ernstige bedenkinge of Hanekom Logika 1.1 geslaag het. As jy iets doen wat ander mense aanstootlik vind, al bedoel jy dit nie(?)as aanstootlik nie, DAN STOP jy om dit te doen es jy eerlik en ernstig is dat jy versoening voorstaan en wil bewerk. DAN gaan jy NIE voort met jou selfgeretigheid NIE. Net nog 'n marionet - een van vele.

  • whiteass - 2011-04-16 07:56

    Hannekom will believe anything the ANC tells him, the ANC track record shows that they discourages the concept of free thinking and individual points of view. Hannekom you have lost the right to be identified with the whites in SA, furthermore you have been a member of the ANC for 30 years and yet you don’t speak an African language. You are an opportunist looking after your own interests.

  • Alicia Summers - 2011-04-16 07:58

    A friend of mine was buried yesterday. Yet another casualty of a farm killing in KZN. Your words are HOLLOW mr Hanekom! It does not reflect the reality of farm killings a part of this nation suffer as we speak. The facts speak for itself. If there was no farm killings what you say might ring true. But given the HARSH FACTS, "kill the boer" is hate speech, simply BECAUSE that IS WHAT IS HAPPENING at grassroots level. Get out of your gravy train and your ivory tower to aquaint yourself with the FACTS. A friend of mine was buried yesterday. Yet another casualty of a farm killing in KZN. Your words are HOLLOW mr Hanekom! It does not reflect the reality of farm killings a part of this nation suffer as we speak. The facts speak for itself. If there was no farm killings what you say might ring true. But given the HARSH FACTS, "kill the boer" is hate speech, simply BECAUSE that IS WHAT IS HAPPENING at grassroots level. Get out of your gravy train and your ivory tower to aquaint yourself with the FACTS.

      Gramsci - 2011-04-16 09:17

      Agreed! There is indeed such a thing as INCITEMENT. And if some fool murders another person because he was incited to do so, the person who incited in the first place becomes culpable and therefore guilty of murder. Promoting a song that plainly calls for KILLING and MURDER amounts to an INCITEMENT for murder. This whole defense of this murderous song is therefore highly irresponsible; and the ANC would gain massively more respect by banning it and choosing a constructive way forward than it is by being morally paralysed as it is.

      Moropa - 2011-04-16 12:20

      Why are you advertising your friend's funeral? Every comment you make, you start with your friend's funeral. What's so special about it?

  • Pensioenaris - 2011-04-16 08:22

    If the words "Shoot the Boer" is so innocent, why not then change it to "Shoot the cadre" or "Shoot my friend" etc. Then nobody needs to be concerned, because in reality it means nothing, I am led to understand.

  • Madelane - 2011-04-16 09:23

    You stupid stupid man....this song does not offend people! It incites people to murder our farmers and there is more than enough evidence of this country wide! No amount of semantic posturing will change those simple facts.

      penada - 2011-04-16 12:02

      morning just out of curiousity...what evidence is there that supports this, i am asking because in all the farm murders that have happened theft seems the motivation, i have never seen anc graffitti left on the walls or ancyl symbols.. dont think tho that i advocate the singing of this song...i dont, i find it too polarising of our society, its actually embarassing...but does it/has it incited farm murders...?

      Madelane - 2011-04-16 18:50

      incite (?n'sa?t) — vb ( tr ) to stir up or provoke to action [C15: from Latin incitare, from in- ² + citare to excite] Shoot the Boer, Shoot the Farmer....not shoot the Afrikaner or shoot the Englishman or shoot the whitey/pinky.....no Shoot the Boer, Shoot the Farmer. No need to prove a correlation like that, it stands to reason.

  • MrSpiderman - 2011-04-16 09:25

    So, then I suppose the "Boer War" in the beginning of the 19's should be called: "...system of racial oppression War"? And the Kakies "...system of racial depression War!" What a lot of hogwash Derek!

  • sceptic - 2011-04-16 09:48

    The truth is Mr Hanekom, that in an uneducated society such as ours, certain words are taken for face value. Educated individuals such as yourself should know better! It is not the degree of how much the song offends, yet the ability of the song to incite violence, and I do not have to be the minister of science and technology to figure that one out!! So whomever's ass you are trying to crawl up to, you are digging your own grave, as the very people you serve are saying that there is no place for white south africans in this country as long as it is controlled by the ANCYL!!

      MrSpiderman - 2011-04-16 14:25

      Is he educated? Or another incompitent appointment?

  • Gramsci - 2011-04-16 09:55

    It may be that Afriforum is playing the role of stalking horse for a big section of the ANC which Malema and the 'yoof leeg' does not represent. Perhaps the league will hang itself in concert with those ANC sections that want the removal of Zuma. Who does Malema appeal to? Definitely not the "Black youth". These are cosmopolitan people; (aspire to) attend model C schools. On campuses they mix with other people, and learn their ubuntuism through these others. Malema only appeals to those unemployable township hopeless cases whose prospects of a "better life" can only be gained by becoming ANC henchmen -- what in Sicily of New Jersey would amount to joining the Mafia. I can only think the ANC's silence on this matter is a game plan. Otherwise, there is just too much at stake; and I don't think they are that stupid not to see the "what's next" in this matter.

  • Gramsci - 2011-04-16 10:09

    A headline in the Mail & Guardian reads: "Melama: Who does 'shoot the boer' really hurt?" Naturally, Malema denied it hurt the boers, but seems not to have answered the question. The answer is this: The song HURTS THE ANC. Do you notice how silent the DA is in this episode? It plays into their hands. More and more people begin to question the ANC's credibility and morality through this incident. Afriforum is a minor force in this matter, and has nothing to lose. Their gains (if any) would be quite minimal. This is why I think the ANC faction represented by the likes of Tokyo Sexwale and Joel Netshitenze (a truly intelligent man) are quite happy about this event. It serves their interests by bringing the Zuma faction into disrepute.

  • Gramsci - 2011-04-16 10:28

    Question to Hanekom: How does this matter of "struggle songs" feed the ANC's Pubic Relations interests? We know that most government activity functions as PR. Governments and politicians depend largely on good publicity; without which they have no credibility, public respect, etc. That is ALL they have (credibility and respect). How does this matter serve those interests; or is it a case of "any publicity will do", as in Paris Hiton or Madonna being represented as whores simply to stay in the public eye? Malema was a useful celebrity to get the disaffected youth vote in the last election, but has he not outlived his usefulness, and has now become a liability to the ANC?

  • Pablom - 2011-04-16 10:28

    Anybody know how a blackmans brain works.Please study a bit more, as I realise, black mans brains has no compromise.Blinckered, yes my friend, I am sorry to say, I hope their thinking ca diversify. Pablo

      MrSpiderman - 2011-04-16 14:29

      You don't need to study it! Will take you two seconds! Those who wishes to be blind, is blind!

      John Wilderness - 2011-04-18 06:02

      @Pablom and you comment is not intended to instigate racial hatred hey ? Or is it that you actually support the "Kill the boer" song ?

  • clifford peter viljoen - 2011-04-16 10:30

    Hanekom added in cross examination that the ANC had the powers to "instruct any of us" Dear Deputy Science and Technology Minister, the only Person who has the power to instruct me is the Father above ,so please stop day dreaming .

  • Gramsci - 2011-04-16 10:40

    To clear up matters, read this article: http://www.leadershiponline.co.za/articles/politics/496-kill-the-boer The truth is, Malema and all who advocate this song actually belong IDEOLOGICALLY to the Pan Africanist Congress (PAC). Malema has no plac ein the African National Congress (ANC). BAsically, he is ideologically out of line and should, therefore, be expelled from the ANC and sent to the PAC where he belongs.

      MrSpiderman - 2011-04-16 14:32

      To the benefit of his king, who he would stab in the back (ala Ceaser) and take his place! At least he would have eight wifes to satisfy!

  • molifedennis - 2011-04-16 10:43

    This forum promotes racial hatred by allowing comments filled with racial emotions to be posted. This is no longer a medium for freedom of expression but has become a medium for perpetuation of bigotism. There are very few comments made here which are intended to bridge racial chasms that plagued for many years. I understand that peoples' opinions needs to heard but people must be heard if they are making positive contribution towards eradication of racial tension.

      Gramsci - 2011-04-16 11:12

      Certainly what you say is true. But we can only change it by engaging with everyone in open and rational CONVERSATION. Rather than to give up and leave, it is better to contribute with the intention to make a difference through persuasion. More and more I am coming to see blogs like these as the most important democratic instruments available. Look what New Media has done in the Arab world. It's through thousands of people talking to and with each other that they brought about their revolution. We can do the same. Courage, friend. You can make a difference.

      MrSpiderman - 2011-04-16 14:34

      At least now I know how you feels! Make sense?

  • Spoofed - 2011-04-16 10:44

    http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002135742251&sk=wall LOOK AT THIS GUYS PROFILE! IT MAKES ME SICK!!!

      Gramsci - 2011-04-16 15:00

      I suggest that anyone who approves of this murderous "liberation chant" ought to have a look this sicko's facebook page. He must be one hell of a psychologically messed-up and unhappy failed human being. Thank God I am not him. I'd hate to be trapped in his skull.

      Gramsci - 2011-04-16 15:15

      Of course, the actual Sabelo Pama was killed in a road accident in Tanzania. That's what makes this fraud hiding behind a fake identity even more of a psychopathic monster. As for those who claim to be his 'friends' -- they ought to be ashamed of themselves. There must surely be no salvation for any of them.

  • Gramsci - 2011-04-16 10:44

    An extract from the above article: In March this year, a former participant in an August 1993 march (called “Operation Barcelona”) against increased exam fees in Cape Town, wrote in a comment to an article on the Internet, that he was among PASO (PAC student wing) students in the march who chanted “kill the Boer, kill the farmer” immediately before American student Amy Biehl was killed by members of that mob. Read it all, as well as the comments

  • Cynical Sci - 2011-04-16 11:55

    Why does the Deputy Science and Technology Minister have an input on such matters? This has nothing to do with either.

      MrSpiderman - 2011-04-16 14:36

      Pshycology?

  • Hopeforall - 2011-04-16 12:51

    Dear Mr. Hanekom. Whilst it is your prerogative to swallow anything your masters dish up to you, do not suppose that everyone you engage with is stupid. It would be well that you and your controllers would not treat everyone the same as those like you who willingly give up their birthright to think for themselves and who cheerfully choose to be lied to. If the 'boer' song is a song against "a system of racial oppression" as you put it, exactly who is it being sung against, 16 years into ANC misrule? Whilst those not yet blinded by communist deceit would freely accept that it would be entirely apt to be directing it at this nation's ANC oppressors, are you suggesting it is sung today, against the pre-1994 National Party? No, patently you are not, so may I submit that whilst it is your choice to bend over when you are called upon to add 'white' credence to the vile product of your lie-monger masters in order to be privileged to scurry around for your scraps at the end of the month, understand that there are those who are not fooled by your little 'butterfly-kisses', which are nothing other than poison arrows, fired from the open grave of your mouth.

      Spoofed - 2011-04-16 13:13

      Nicely Said

  • tiotudg - 2011-04-16 13:41

    Wonder wanneer getuig Kortbroek en kripeter Mulder? Of het hulle die lig gesien

  • Louis - 2011-04-16 14:12

    hanekom klim die berg so haastig en so lastig (3x) om die boere te vererg hoera vir die jollie hanekom toevallig hoe die ou volksliedjie (lees kulturele geskiedenis) homself opnuut waar bewys

  • MrSpiderman - 2011-04-16 14:21

    Amazing Spoofed! Just read the Facebook profile and no photo, residence, or any information that would identify him. Scared and spineless? For sure! To go as low as to take photos from the internet? Well, what do we expect! In conclusion. I'm not an English teacher, but the spelling and grammer is even worse than JZ who has to read everything from a piece of paper! All I can do is say: "Shame, poor bastard!"

  • FTK - 2011-04-17 04:07

    LOL

  • Mandla - 2011-04-17 13:26

    Test

  • Lone Ranger - 2011-04-17 16:10

    When Malema and his cronies then turn around and sing "kiss the boer" do they mean that they now embrace the old apartheid system of oppression? YOU, "honorable" Minister, are very naive, and if it would have been "inappropriate" for Madiba to sing it at the 1995 Rugby World Cup, it is also inappropriate now for anyone to sing it. Just because the international community "isn't listening" doesn't mean it's ok to sing it where only the "target audience" can hear it. It's like saying to a child it's ok to smoke when his parents aren't around to see it - ridiculous!

  • Concerned - 2011-04-17 16:39

    @penada. If the farm attacks are purely criminal, why the brutality? Why rape and torture before killing? If it is really a case of "have nots" taking from the "rich white man", why not just take what you want and leave, why torture, maim and kill? I'll tell you why. Because JuJu sings "kill the boer, kill the farmer", and that is exactly what they do, just what they are instructed to do. Statistics shows that most of the farm attacks are done why people not even working on the farms, they come from the townships, sometimes 100's of kilometers away. And they are youngsters under 25 (JuJu's youth!!). It is seldom done by older people who "suffered" under apartheid.

  • Stox - 2011-04-17 17:39

    Well Derek, I'm going to shoot you in the head with a gun. But don't worry, I don't mean you any harm.

  • maseratifitt - 2011-04-17 19:44

    Hanekom: Context. You guys like that word, no? Well let me tell you the context within which malema is "singing" this so-called "song". Ever heard of "white tendencies", "counter revolutionaries" or "cockroaches" ? These are terms used by malema spreading his racist hatred and this is the context within which he is uttering the words "kill the boer". So don't try to tell us the ANC is not racist. The ideals you guys had in the time of Mandela have disappeared in the mists of arrogance, nepotism and corruption. Within the misty forest the sounds of racism are carried on the drumbeats of the ANC. And there is no melody. No song. Just wrong.

  • John Wilderness - 2011-04-18 04:37

    LOL !!! South Africans having a barny over a song while the hungry starve, the diseased die and the homeles sleep another night under the stars. Somethings just never change. In the seventies and eighties the government then also went to a lot of trouble banning songs in the face of the diseased, homeless and starving. comedy country.

      Smaal - 2011-04-18 08:20

      Yes it is. We laugh ourselves to death with slogans like “One bullet one white infant” and then we laugh even more when a white 2 year old baby girl gets executed by a black and guess what the natives where singing/chanting. Note: She was executed after her parents were executed. http://incogman.net/03/2011/%E2%80%9Cone-bullet-%E2%80%94-one-white-infant%E2%80%9D/ Then a token white man starts to sing like a canary in support of these mongrels..... Yes this is a very funny country indeed.

  • Apartheid - 2011-04-18 07:07

    South African former apartheid benefiaries must undesrstand,thos song was composed to enourage people to destroy the evil system of Apartheid.If you have a problem with it ,please leave our country.

      Realist - 2011-04-18 08:35

      what do you mean by the words "OUR COUNTRY"?

      MojoBa - 2011-04-18 13:55

      But the evil Apartheid system has been destroyed. Can you just not accept that your destructive ways are no longer neccessary? I think during the struggle the people were swept up so badly that they wanted blood, and when De Klerk gave up and said "sorry, we were wrong, let's fix this" there was no hope of blood to be shed and it was an anti-climax for the all the rebels with a cause. Now there is no cause and these rebels don't know what the hell to do with themselves. I mean, working is obviously not an option.

  • Realist - 2011-04-18 08:34

    Why can't Mr Hanekom at least explain the true meaning/translation of iBhunu without ducking and diving the issue. We are not all stupid! The Readers Digest "Multi Language Dictionary" states very clearly the following: System = ihlelo Africaner = iBhunu Shoot = dubula THUS "awudubhule ibhunu" means "Shoot the AFRICANER" period. So why all the ANC okes evading answering what is the documented correct translations? This is very disturbing indeed.

      Ross - 2011-04-18 12:51

      Hanekom states that "Boer" is a system. "Boere musiek" is then in actual fact "system music". Thank's for the education.

      maseratifitt - 2011-04-18 13:22

      Hoe ry die system Sit sit so, sit sit so... Bobbejaan klim die berg om die system te vererg... O, System Plaas, geboorte plaas...