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Hawks investigating Malema

2012-09-16 15:48

Johannesburg - Expelled African National Congress Youth League president Julius Malema is being investigated for inciting violence during the strike at Lonmin's Marikana mine, in North West, the Hawks said on Sunday.

"We are investigating charges that have been brought by Solidarity," spokesperson McIntosh Polela said.

"They have opened a case of incitement and intimidation. It has been referred to us and we are currently gathering information to help us with our investigation."

On Sunday, it was a month since police opened fire on a group of protesters on a hill near the Marikana platinum mine, killing 34 mineworkers and wounding 78.

Another 10 people, among them two policemen and two security guards, died the preceding week. A 45th person, a union shop steward, was found dead weeks after the shooting.

Workers are demanding that their wages be increased to R12 500 a month.

Malema arrived at Marikana two days after the shootings took place.

He told the crowd that President Jacob Zuma and Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa must resign following the shooting.

"President Zuma decided over the massacre of our people. He must step down."

He said Mthethwa should also resign because the police shot people under his command.

Protect, not kill

"He must resign because he failed in executing his duties."

Malema told the crowd that the police were supposed to protect them and not kill them.

"It has never happened before that so many people were killed in a single day and it became normal," he said.

Malema, who pledged his support for the striking mineworkers urged them not to retreat and to stand firm on their demand for a R12 500 salary.

He said the reason the police shot at the people was because they were protecting the interest of ANC NEC member, Cyril Ramaphosa, who he said owned shares in Lonmin.

"Lonmin had a high political connection that is why our people were killed. They were killed to protect the shares of Cyril Ramaphosa," he said.

He told the gathering that it was amazing that Ramaphosa was able to buy a buffalo for R18m, but could not pay them the R12 500 they were demanding.

Militant union

He called on the mineworkers to form a militant union that would represent their interests.

He said that the National Union of Mineworkers (NUM) was no longer a union that represented the interests of the workers, but was more interested in making money.

"NUM is not a union, it's a company. They hold shares in mining companies, that is why, when there are problems in the mines, they are the first to sell out the workers."

Comments
  • mknnko003 - 2012-09-16 15:54

    Nobody cares about Malema, News24 continues to give him publicity.

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-09-16 16:03

      But, I do want to see every single slow step of his fall.

      tshepo.maganedisa - 2012-09-16 16:20

      and you keep reading and commenting

      merven.halo - 2012-09-17 12:31

      @Charles. The sad thing is, in Africa the evil and corrupt never fall, they triumph.

  • henk.vanrensburg.31 - 2012-09-16 15:55

    Yes and? Could have sworn I read the same article 6 months ago. Load of hogwash....

      john.bucknall.1 - 2012-09-18 10:36

      I'm sure this species of the Hawk is extinct, try Anaconda and squeeze the life out of the dog.

  • aroka.murombe - 2012-09-16 15:55

    Ei south africa is falling apart soon we will be investigated for commenting on news24.....

      sihlangu.hokweni - 2012-09-16 17:43

      Really! U can say that again-speak abt double standards

      jacques.jdp - 2012-09-17 15:23

      Very well said!!

      beach.cherry - 2012-09-17 16:12

      Yup, that's very true aroka. Hence the "protection of info" and the so called "weather bill" etc that the ANC is trying to shut the media up for. Well. I suppose once that bill is passed, then it's the bill of "shutting the people up". Hence you can't even express how you feel about your president, and this country, and then cosatu and the ANCWL, and The whole ANC circus drags you to court, and start labeling you are racist. And Er... So I suppose every one will keep investigating and investigating. And nothing will be done. Then JM will make headlines again as "the hawks/SARS/ or whoever has enough evidence, to come and arrest me". Teasing all these people, because, JM has other big boys funding him. To keep him, out of prison. Bribing or threatening anyone who dare touches tellytubby.

  • martin.green.522 - 2012-09-16 15:56

    One corrupt group looking at another corrupt person. Hooray South Africa.

  • themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-16 15:58

    Ag please, this is not newsworthy. McIntosh is really bored

      christelle.james.7 - 2012-09-16 16:11

      I don't think so - must be stunning/lucrative/no stress job to have to investigate people, but no pressure for results.

  • blackops64 - 2012-09-16 15:58

    ive been hearing this forever, the scorpions would have sorted the fat zit out long ago, hawks are nothing, they only intimidate the media, zanu anc style

  • lenox.ntlantsana - 2012-09-16 16:01

    That's todays government that would only seek to shut the truth from being told! The manner in which things tend to be dealt with is very scary in our democracy. It is not in the interest of the majority but the ones who benefit and still claim to be siding with the poor! #NUFSAID#

      henk.vanrensburg.31 - 2012-09-16 16:16

      Just like Julias and the cadres...

  • petertarrant - 2012-09-16 16:04

    Malema has incited to kill the boer, so what. now that he is inciting violence against other ethnic groups of South Africa, not acceptable! Don't like what he says? Getting to your pocket for a change? Who really says who works for the mines and makes major profit off it? Suddenly not in the news anymore.... I do not condone what Malema does because he is a parasite ...but he is pissed off (and "woodwork marks") enough to let the rest of us know what the "great" don't want us to know. Yes he is expendable......

      Cappuccinno4u - 2012-09-17 13:03

      correction Petertarrant, he never said ''kill the boer'' BUT ''kiss the boer''

  • blackops64 - 2012-09-16 16:07

    get your bribe money ready fat boy

  • Ditantane - 2012-09-16 16:08

    who is the 'HAWKS', what have they done before?

  • johan.jacobs.5680 - 2012-09-16 16:08

    A hawk,should easily,catch a mouse.

      alf.pop - 2012-09-16 16:17

      How about a sewer rat?

  • Kalari - 2012-09-16 16:08

    Fifty people are killed EVERY DAY in SA on average. Why is there not such a ongoing debate in the media about that. The Lonmin killings was just an above average day. Sad and sorry but it is the facts.

      merven.halo - 2012-09-17 12:32

      Not even sad and sorry, they were attacking police members.

  • punungwe - 2012-09-16 16:08

    None of Malema's reported statements seems like incitement to me. Biting criticism of certain leaders and processes, but not incitement. That is perfectly allowed and in fact a necessary part of a healthy democracy. Incitement is when somebody says, go and burn that building. Go and kill that person. Go and beat so and so. They person who should have been arrested by now is the sangoma who gave miners muti to make them invincible so that they could attack the police. Maybe the Hawks are afraid of his muti which is why they are not arresting him. Even Malema's call to make mining ungovernable is a borderline case. I would consider his 'kill for Zuma' statements of four years ago a more serious case. It looks like this aimed more at intimidating him than getting a result. If that is the case, then he could rightly claim to be a victim of state harassment. In which case I would suggest he can go and get asylum in Zimbabwe!!!!

      mphozana.manfred - 2012-09-16 17:25

      Punungwe, u might be having a point there, but still i am tempted to ask, why zimbabwe? Do you have an issue with that country?

      bobby.rosewood.1 - 2012-09-16 18:11

      I think you are right. "kill for Zuma" and "Kill the Boer" is asking his audience to do violent things, he never asked for anything violent to happen now. It's just that he is now getting in the face of the guys in power- that are not tolerant enough to let that happen. That is why the Hawks take action, they do not have a case though. Mbeki could have shut JM up when he started his "kill for Zuma" thingy; but our former president is too much of a democrat and gentlemen to lower himself to that kind of thing. Apart from his disastrous stance on HIV/AIDS,he was a good president, light years better then Mr "you can say anything, just don't call me names" president Jacob Zuma. What a loser.

      makgale.makgalemele - 2012-09-17 09:42

      Punungwe, we heading for a disaster monna. Demogracy is dead. Some of the 'clever' once are supposed to be convincing boMalema type that a better way to lead this country is of that way they deem appropriate but we are instead all behaving like Malema. Intimidation upon intimidation leads to war. I am telling you. let us fight on ideas not personalities.

  • bheki.shabangu.10 - 2012-09-16 16:10

    We need never fight for human rights if we simply decided to consider being human beings before all other identities; in fact there would be no such thing as human rights in existence.

      bobby.rosewood.1 - 2012-09-16 18:12

      In a perfect world, we wouldn't need any laws at all.

  • howard.komati - 2012-09-16 16:13

    They are so bored

  • ernest.lwandle - 2012-09-16 16:15

    scorpions were far much better than this cra''''p the scorpions should have sortedout this guy long ago

      jaap.phumo - 2012-09-16 17:07

      Who sent out the Hawks to investigate Malema that person must be investigated first because he is against Mineworkers meaning he's got shares le the struggle continue n freedom is merely by those who are rich......selfish goverment nxa.

      jaap.phumo - 2012-09-16 17:08

      Who sent out the Hawks to investigate Malema that person must be investigated first because he is against Mineworkers meaning he's got shares le the struggle continue n freedom is merely by those who are rich......selfish goverment nxa.

  • sphamandla.s.ntshangase - 2012-09-16 16:15

    mr malema suppose to get death sentence our country doesnt wnt people like dis small stupid boy cause violence in our beloved country i wsh should arrested

      steve.lategan.7 - 2012-09-17 14:16

      Yeah! Keep voting ANC though....!

  • ernest.lwandle - 2012-09-16 16:18

    in my country we only mis and wish nothig to enjoy at a present moment God please help us all while we still living.

      steve.lategan.7 - 2012-09-17 14:18

      You are asking God to help you?? Some nerve, after clamouring for the ANC to come to power, and supporting the fattest kis on the block, Jooliaas, to get Zoomer into the most powerful seat..!

  • tshepo.maganedisa - 2012-09-16 16:19

    after hearing all that he has said, where is the crime in his statement?Like i said before there was never a case against Malema because if there was i am sure by now Zuma and those who are threatned by him would have pulled all the strings to have him behind bars and now you hear a weak solidarity wasting the hawks resources pressing for Malema to be arrested *its a joke* - rather press charges against the police minister, commisioner and mine bosses for stealing over 20% of countries GDP *now you talking*

      steve.lategan.7 - 2012-09-17 14:23

      Why take a swipe at solidarity, when all the black unions in the country has done nothing but spitting rhetoric, such as Vitriolic Vavi/ Are you singling out Solidarity because they are, in your mind, a "white" trade union? Think again, they have black and couloured members too! Their college in the West of Pretoria also have some very good black student6s. So shut your face until you have some proper facts, dummy!

  • 286ADC8D - 2012-09-16 16:19

    Why do they keep on saying xpelled?? Julias was never xpelled. He's stil as much the yl leader aswell as zumas leader. Satan aka julias malema is running the country. Why can't people c that?

  • don.mug.3 - 2012-09-16 16:20

    Solidarity Julius says he knows your constituency.

  • sharon.erwin.96 - 2012-09-16 16:26

    "It has never happened before that so many people were killed in a single day and it became normal" Wake up call, Julius - IT DOES HAPPEN EVERY DAY. Idiot.

  • thabo.ndhlovu.5 - 2012-09-16 16:27

    Hawks re 2 week 4 malema dey should hv arrest him long tym ago on corruption....nw dey re jst wasting tym n money....dat fat boi is 4rm zim

      godknows.sabao - 2012-09-16 19:49

      we have nhdlovus in zim not malema, he is proudly south african

  • chrisbroodrykjnr - 2012-09-16 16:37

    What was malema doing there anyhow besides \putting petrol onto the fire\. The marikhana issue is between the mine and the workers from this point of view its got nothing to do with what malema is appointed to do which is running the y.l and making better youth leaders from todays youth. Ever since beginning of this year malema has caused more bad publisity for the goverment than anything else. Y don't they just kick him off and get it over and done with at the old end it would be better 4 all

      chrisbroodrykjnr - 2012-09-16 16:57

      I agree that overseas people must stop coming here and take what is rightfully ours but we r the rainbow nation. All is equal now? All 4 one and one 4 all

  • motsarami - 2012-09-16 16:38

    Who or what is this so called \solidarity\?!what are they in-solidarity with?heh!!Throughout this unrest,has Malema instructed any1 2 hack, beat or shoot anyone 4 that matter????!!I remember him telling the miners that they must strive 4 a week in each month till the capitalist has met their demand!!So where, if u allow me 2 ask throughout the unrest has he incited violence?????The hawks should be investigating genuine issues the country face and not all this utter barbaric nonsense!!Y not commit the required resources 2 investigate Julius to investigating the R43 million that cannot be matched 2 to claims by the compensation commission??haaaaa!!

      steve.lategan.7 - 2012-09-17 14:27

      Must agree with most he says, but ALL corruption must be investigated. Malema is suspected of much worse than hatespeak, but high up people are scared Malema will spill the beans if they force investigations on him

  • mathivha.obert - 2012-09-16 16:39

    You don't investigate a politician for politicking in a constitutional democracy - can sombody tells Zuma that intimidating Malema won't assist him to get "second phase of confusion". He must just be humbled to have had a rare and un-qualifying moment to lead SA, Zuma will never be the best we have as a country. Refer to his recent response in parliament explaining what is democracy & how does it work - it was so embarrassing and worse than that notorious shower excuse. Zuma must simply go

      Phiwe Mazula'yithole Ximba - 2012-09-16 16:53

      @Mathivha i think you confuse Zuma was talking truth, you don't understand minority has got less right than majority do you homework right u will c how

      mphozana.manfred - 2012-09-16 17:05

      Mathivha i am with you 120%, the duke should just go and thank his ancestors for the rare opportunity afforded to him, it realy boggles the mind trying to comprehend how he became to be the country's no 1 citizen, i gues 1 has more chances of hitting the powerball jackpot than becoming what he is, as you were saying, he is pushing it a bit much higher, ungrateful little old man.

      Mjak8s - 2012-09-16 17:10

      @mathivha: I think you're intellectually challenged or you're either downright ignorant. This article had nothing to do with Zuma but rather with a charge laid by Solidarity. If my memory serves me well Zuma has no connection what-so-ever with solidarity

  • promise.ozuzu - 2012-09-16 16:44

    Guyz it is about time we start praying for SA, if not , it will be bad very bad! God help us!

  • Khayoh Mfiswah - 2012-09-16 16:49

    He nvr fought fr democracy, jst a noisy moron frm venda, juju is guilty, hawks start d job

      justice.muzila - 2012-09-16 16:52

      A moron is people like u, who don,t even know wat Malema,s tribe is.

      mphozana.manfred - 2012-09-16 16:52

      You tribalist moron, wht are vendas got to do with this?

      ftakalani - 2012-09-16 16:55

      Khayoh, please do ur research well before you vomit your nonsense to the public. Dont show the world that people are stil stupid at this age on time. Shame on you

      humphrey.s.mbothwe - 2012-09-16 17:08

      \ jst a noisy moron frm venda\ does this statement suggest that Malema is a Venda or he is coming from Venda?

      mphozana.manfred - 2012-09-16 17:14

      Mbothwe stop spewing sh*t here, he is from seshego, is seshego in venda?

      humphrey.s.mbothwe - 2012-09-16 17:26

      @Mpozanha enough with the insult, I know insult is a Malema tendency. I was just asking a question. Seseshego is in Limpopo a former homeland of Venda.

      oscar.frans - 2012-09-16 17:28

      U SEE WHY PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY ZULUS ARE STUPID. ITS BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE U STUPID KHAYO

      mphozana.manfred - 2012-09-16 17:33

      Mbothwe, my apologies!!!

      humphrey.s.mbothwe - 2012-09-16 17:33

      lol oscar who said khayo is a Zulu. Are you not making yourself an idiot.

      mphozana.manfred - 2012-09-16 18:03

      Mara nawe mbothwe, ai! U shuld hev been a lawyer.

      bobby.rosewood.1 - 2012-09-16 18:22

      The way you go on; it sounds like the homelands was a great idea.

      tevhe.mamidze - 2012-09-16 18:45

      Khayoh u think ANC run like a zulu kingdom. U a tribalist but we are not scared mangaung is around de coner

      brapiet.matshipa - 2012-09-17 06:49

      Ja then what? Erase that old,stupid mind of uneducated ppl thinking only those who fought for democracy must lead what if they don't hv leardership skill like ur stupid president .our constition state that honour those who fought for freedom n democracy n we did dat so we don't owe them any position unless offer them job as solder as they r good in killing .don't b fooled the hawks will investigate him till he rich 80 year n after that widraw charged like they always do.if hawks fill like investigating I think they must start with zuma

      pronape - 2012-09-17 17:42

      Yaah ne, God help us

  • humphrey.s.mbothwe - 2012-09-16 16:50

    Arrest the bustard! \Here you behave or else you jump\

      jan.matsetela - 2012-09-16 17:12

      Malema is coming back to politics come Mangaung

  • mzoxolo.boyana - 2012-09-16 16:57

    Why now? Zuma, zuma.. Uzakunya emangaung..

  • Bongiwe Bongie Mabongz Dlutu - 2012-09-16 16:58

    He must be arrested!!! I wonder where dd he take right to speak on public coz he is \expelled YL president\ he wear ANCYL branded clothes when goin to public...he must be arrested

  • Zenande Carly Dlunge - 2012-09-16 16:59

    He needs to be arrested. some of us work for the things we have unlike him. I'm sick of him (Malema) saying people are corrupt whereas whilst he was inside the gravy train he was as quiet as a grave abt corruption. He is using people to fight his battles.

      tytosi.kade - 2012-09-18 03:33

      My friend if he was as quiet as you suppose....Why was he expelled then. Do your home work

  • justice.muzila - 2012-09-16 17:00

    Only people who do not have legal backgroung will be intimidated by this investigation. Where is the independence of the Hawks. I won,t be suprised to hear that the Hawks have charged Malema with murdering 34 miners. This is the last kick of a dying horse. No second term.

  • jan.matsetela - 2012-09-16 17:04

    If they think they will selince Malema this is where they got it wrong people have had enough with the current leadership.

      vusi.mazibuko.370 - 2012-09-17 10:33

      Baba I feel sorry for you.You are like Malema there is no logic in what you are saying let alone sense.Who does Malema represent? Was he not expelled from the ANC for being stupid as he is?What of value does Malema say whenever he opens his big mouth? All he knows is say things that he has no understanding of.And you support that ,he must form his political party of clowns and win the election not to to hide behind ANC attire of which he is no longer a member of.It is people like him who are costing the ANC young educated and intelligent men and women to join the party as they will be assosciated with imbeciles like him.Away with this stupid donkey like him away.

  • hummy.ramukhuvhathi - 2012-09-16 17:06

    Few weeks to mangaung is just a matter of time.

  • wanda.mazwati - 2012-09-16 17:10

    leave Malema alone

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-16 18:22

      I agree, after throwing Malema in jail and throwing away the keys leave him alone at least for 30 years

  • wanda.mazwati - 2012-09-16 17:11

    malema 4 president

  • chule.qalase - 2012-09-16 17:15

    This is cow dung from news24, who cares,it's not like we will gain something whether he goes to jail or not!!!

  • Michael - 2012-09-16 17:17

    Inciting violence means saying things that can encourage lawlessness, the question is did Malema said anything to miners, the answer is yes, he said 'we will lead mining revolution in this country and make all mines ungovernable until the boer come to the table' this statement contained hate speech and incitement of violence. Only later he tried to explain what he meant, but damage was already done somewhat.

      keith.ngobeni - 2012-09-16 17:31

      Could not have put it better myself.

  • keith.ngobeni - 2012-09-16 17:27

    Yes it's about time fat boy knows that he's a ordinary person like other millions of law abiding citizens, he should start to stock piling boxes of vaseline so that he will grease his fat behind otherwise those sex starved inmates would make him regret the day he was born Julius malema.

  • jlourens - 2012-09-16 17:30

    Lets say mines are nationalized...do you honestly believe the wealth will go to the people...You will replace one fat-cat with the next. Only the next lot might run the mine into the ground (because you need business sense to run a mine)...the poorest of the poor will remain just as poor. This is just a repeat of nationalizing farms...taken from boer & run into the ground. Now we are worse off - note the increase of maize and other staple foods. In the end, it is the poorest people who suffer most, not the white-collar class...maybe change is needed - but this is surely not they way!

  • mlulami.dike - 2012-09-16 17:38

    There you go again; Our government under the ANC leadership is now trying to shift the focus of the South Africans instead of addressing the real problem that the Mining pp are facing.Instead of doing so they jump to investigate Malema.They failed to cum up with a proof in his corruption charges and they also can't defeat him politically.They can go ahead with those investigations and do wateva they can,we're still standing and we'll be patiently waiting for the outcome of that.Asijiki neeeeks!!

  • thabo.mkokeli - 2012-09-16 17:44

    politics politics politics,evrythng in SA is politics___no peace\sad\.

  • dmcmr.dhai - 2012-09-16 17:48

    What are the timelines for these investigations?Hawks can u please arrest this fatboy once n for all

  • Michael - 2012-09-16 18:04

    Malema, Floyed, and Sindiso Magaca have been seen addressing miners, and statements like 'we will lead mining revolution until the boer come to the table' without details to explain what that means at the time of utterance is an incitement of violence, there is prima facie evidence to ivestigate expelled 'ancyl president' as newspapers called him.

  • sihlangu.hokweni - 2012-09-16 18:04

    Are these the CHECKS

  • henk.tredoux.7 - 2012-09-16 18:24

    Investigating, investigating!!! Mis ek iets? Wanneer gaan die donner gevang word??? Mens hoor net ban die ondersoeke! So nou word hy gevang, en wat gebeur dan? Hier te kort en daar te lank!!! As die Prezz wakker word en die bliksem vang dalk net nog n 4 jaar kry as Prezz! Waarvoor wag hy?

  • sibonelo.nyathikazi - 2012-09-16 18:44

    Hawks are really becoming irrelevant, investigating such petty issues where as we have goverment officials with 200k wall fences they can't account for! Bring back the scorpions.

  • ntloko.yamazizi - 2012-09-16 18:49

    Its funny that no 1 is saying any thing about police shooting mine workers.solidarity spokes person polela just want to be famous.I blv he was told by sm ANC member to do this

      Abram Mashego - 2012-09-16 20:04

      Y dont u refer also to the security guys and policemen who were hacked and burnt to death.

  • Mbavhalelo - 2012-09-16 18:53

    The white man's union, solidarity hs laid de charges against de president of economic freedom fighters. What are de charges again? Hoo incitement of violance. Ecouraging ppl to engage in a mass action, strike is not a criminal act. I am a pastor n Im telling ppl 2 fight against white supremacy, julias must keep igniting dis revolution bcos whites are using de strength of de black man 2 extract african natural resources n pay de owners of africa peanuts. It has 2 stop. Soon all blacks will realize dat President malema is right here. Cyril Ramaphosa disappoints me. Arrest julias n make him a hero like nelson mandela. U can put him in jail n stir up an egyptian kind of revolution. Those prophets of doom who keep saying SA will be like Zim cos u think dat blackmail will work, it wont work. U are not God to talk like u knw de future of de republic. SA will make it n blacks will share in de wealth dat God put in her soil n u hate dat n u think i am a racist.

      alansmartSnr - 2012-09-16 23:20

      ..@ Mbavhalelo .. You a pastor..He he he.. more like an uneducated, dumb sangoma. "Ecouraging ppl to engage in a mass action, strike is not a criminal act." is most definitely a crime when you prevent willing workers from going to work - intimidation is a serious crime. Wake up you stupid fraud. Think about those ten people that were murdered, hacked to death for no reason at all a week before. And Mal emmer will be arrested and will land up in jail.. it's a matter of timing.. too early and we are just waiting for December when the full force of the law will put an end to that little fat uneducated imbecile who is trying to get back on the gravy train. And get one fact very straight. Whites need the blacks and vica versa. They should all be grateful for having a job and my greatest wish is that the mines suspend operations, fire every single miner and with supervision from the police, and if need be, from the army, for protection, re-employ those willing to work for a minimum salary, to start off from, and employ some of those 2and a half million unemployed workers who would just be too willing to put food on the table....and one does not have to be GOD to see when uneducated people like you will destroy this country to a Zim scenario if you had your wish. At least there are a very small proportion of semi intelligent people at the helm who may, or may not,see and realize that we are slip-sliding into chaos and who would make an about-turn and save this country

      seperatebtequal.wekati - 2012-09-17 10:08

      Thanks my brother, i like yo views. I dont know what is gonna take our fellow blacks to realize the importance economic liberation. As much as i think Malema can somtimes take it a bit too far, i still consider him the best leader since Luthuli, Thambo and Mandela.

      vusi.mazibuko.370 - 2012-09-17 11:05

      I don't believe that you are a pastor.What kind of a pastor who follows Malema and his below average thinking? What has he ever said that makes sense?