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Heads of court support Mogoeng Mogoeng

2012-03-18 19:37

Johannesburg - The heads of court on Sunday said they had full confidence in Chief Justice Mogoeng Mogoeng and would support him in his duties.

They were reacting to reports that Mogoeng raised serious concerns about the separation of church and the judiciary by ordering top judges to attend a leadership conference by American evangelist and leadership guru, John Maxwell.

"The heads of courts have noted some of the allegations in the media about Chief Justice Mogoeng Mogoeng in the wake of the invitation to them to attend a conference," they said in a statement.

"The invitation was not to a religious event but to a leadership conference, which nobody was ordered or compelled to attend."

In an e-mail sent on behalf of Mogoeng, heads of court judges were "requested to be available" for an evangelical leadership conference held in Kempton Park, Johannesburg, the Mail & Guardian Online reported on Thursday.

These included Supreme Court of Appeal Judge President Lex Mpati, Western Cape Judge President John Hlophe, and KwaZulu-Natal Judge President Chiman Patel.

Mogoeng, a lay preacher at the Winners Chapel International Church, told the Business Day on Friday he did not compel any judge to attend the course. He said the reports were doing a "disservice to our country" to "take things out of context and to sensationalise".

Since 2005, a committee looking into allegations of racism in the judiciary, headed by former chief justice Pius Langa, had identified a need for leadership training for heads of court, he said.

Liberals

On Saturday the Christian Democratic Party said that liberals and atheists were keeping their eyes on Mogoeng.

"It would appear that the liberals and atheists are keeping their beady eyes on Mogoeng, just waiting for him to do something they can object to," party leader Theunis Botha said in a statement.

"Had he been a devout atheist adhering to a liberal value system, that is as much ‘religion' as Christianity, he would have been able to act according to his convictions with impunity," said Botha.

He said liberals demanded fair judgements from the chief justice, but then doubted him, suspicious of his Christian stance.

The heads of courts includes the president and deputy president of the Supreme Court of Appeal.

Comments
  • Geoff - 2012-03-18 20:56

    Can you please decide whether you are commies. christians or moegoes!

  • paulr.g3 - 2012-03-18 20:56

    John Maxwell is a highly respected leadership guru. His regular corporate conferences in South Africa are usually sold out. He has done work with many fortune 500 corporations as well governments all over the world. So i guess the fact that he is christian disqualifies him, talk about discrimination.check out his ranking at the following links http://topleadershipgurus.com/list.php as well as http://leadershipgurus.net/leadershipgurus30.php

      zaatheist - 2012-03-19 04:22

      You, Moegoe and squeejee are all lying for jesus. Why can't you just be honest, come clean and admit it? "John Calvin Maxwell (born 1947) is an evangelical Christian author, speaker, and pastor" - Wikipedia "Thou shalt not bear false witness." What part of that commandment do you not understand? The person who is trustworthy in very small matters is also trustworthy in great ones; and the person who is dishonest in very small matters is also dishonest in great ones. - Luke 16:10 NAB

  • phathuchicos - 2012-03-18 20:56

    Congratulations Jacob Zuma you have managed to rape lady justice and get-away with it...now to seal the coffin you replaced lady justice with your justice prostitute(moegoeng)...

      finjo.mamabolo - 2012-03-18 22:26

      Azanian, we will remember you in our prayers

      phathuchicos - 2012-03-18 22:42

      ?????????????????????????

      zaatheist - 2012-03-19 05:34

      @finjo When I read you comment my snark meter went off scale - then I realised you were pulling some leg. May God bless her, and all who sail in her" - Florence Ismay, at the launching of the Titanic.

  • paulr.g3 - 2012-03-18 20:58

    John C. Maxwell is an internationally recognized leadership expert, speaker, and author who has sold over 12 million books. His organizations have trained more than two million leaders worldwide. As a cutting-edge entrepreneur, best-selling author, and dynamic speaker, Dr. John C. Maxwell has cultivated an extensive following among the most highly respected and influential business leaders across the globe. Reaching more than 350,000 people a year through speaking engagements alone, and over a million through resources, Dr. Maxwell is committed to developing leaders of excellence and integrity by providing the finest resources and training for personal and professional growth.

      Jeffrey - 2012-03-18 22:04

      @Paul R. Gonsalves, Were you previously Saul R. Gonsalves? The Bible is also a best-selling book despite the fact that it is a collection of fairy stories. Maxwell is an evangelical christian, probably the vast majority of moegoes who attend his seminars and buy his books are christians as well. Doesn't mean his leadership seminars are of any use to non-christians. Most non-religious people can think for themselves and read leadership books that are not based on religous principles, in fact I would think that any leadership based on christianity immediately limits its usefulness.

      Jeffrey - 2012-03-18 22:08

      Billy Graham and numerous other evangelical christians since have also managed to pack their seminars with adherents to chrisianity. Doesn't mean that they were useful in any way, except to preach to the converted.

      zaatheist - 2012-03-19 04:23

      You, Moegoe and squeejee are all lying for jesus. Why can't you just be honest, come clean and admit it? "John Calvin Maxwell (born 1947) is an evangelical Christian author, speaker, and pastor" - Wikipedia "Thou shalt not bear false witness." What part of that commandment do you not understand? The person who is trustworthy in very small matters is also trustworthy in great ones; and the person who is dishonest in very small matters is also dishonest in great ones. - Luke 16:10 NAB

  • Arthur - 2012-03-18 22:08

    If the central figure, Mogoeng, is discredited, as he rightly is because he is another bad Zuma choice ,anything he does is discredited.

      zaatheist - 2012-03-19 05:31

      He is a self-confessed evangelical Christian which means he hates gays, Jews, Catholics, all non-evangelical Christians, Muslims, Hindus Buddhists and everyone else who does not share his particular brand of religious lunacy. In my mind that exposes him as small minded, unthinking, illogical, biased and partial and automatically disqualifies him from the bench, let alone the position of chief justice.

  • finjo.mamabolo - 2012-03-18 22:34

    The bible is indeed a "collection of fairy tales" as Jeffrey put it. However, in every cloud there is a silver lining. One does not religion to shape one's sense of right or wrong. one's value system as a person should be founded on a sound ethical foundation, in which one always strives to find a balance between what is good to the self, and what is good to others and to society.

  • Fourhundredkg - 2012-03-18 22:39

    Has the CDP's Theunis Botha lost the friggin plot? What is a 'devout atheist'? One that goes to church and prays to nobody?

      zaatheist - 2012-03-19 04:27

      Here is one for the Xians and their almighty god. The CDP is god's own political party. This pathetic little rump of right wing superstitious fundies actually proves that their god does not exist. If their god was real then surely he would make sure they predominated and were ruling the country?

  • zaatheist - 2012-03-19 04:32

    Moegoe and his chorus of Christians commenting here, all denying the fact that this Maxwell guy is an "evangelical Christian pastor" begs the question: is it possible for you guys do say something in defence of your sky fairy that is patently not - 1. A lie; 2. Just made up 3. Something a 5 year old would understand as spurious. Christian values! Christian morality! PAH!

  • eugene.joshua - 2012-03-19 06:21

    Excuse me! It clearly says 'evangelical leadership conference' and the last time I checked 'evangelical' indicated 'evangelical christianity'. If he really wanted them to undergo leadership training why not send them to a religious neutral training programme offered at many training academies? The Chief Justice is underestimating our intelligence! We were not born yesterday! One of Zuma's worst legacies was the appointment of a Chief Justice who is determined to 'transform' the judiciary to fit his rabid fundamentalist view of Christianity! To the Christian Democratic Party: oh yes, we liberals will keep our 'beady' eyes on him, in fact we will keep all kinds of eyes on him, even hawk eyes! Somebody needs to keep their eyes out for the protection of our precious democracy in a country that is becoming more and more a one-party state where everything has become merely a rubber stamp for the ruling party! One last thing, as everyone in an office around the country can attest, if your boss or the boss sends an email with a phrase like 'requested to be available', you know that he or she actually wants you to be there whether you like it or not!

      Andre - 2012-03-20 11:18

      Eugene-Joshua, your liberal values are just as much a belief system as are the values of Christians like me. What makes you think that only those who hold to your beliefs are suitable candidates for high office? This notion that humanistic liberalism is ethically 'neutral' is complete nonsense. Humanism is the belief that man is the supreme being within the universe, and as such possesses the right to determine right and wrong according to his own reasoning. That is a belief system just as much as any other religion like evangelical Christianity. In other words, humanism is a religion! Do you honestly believe that it is right that only members of your religion should hold office in this country?

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