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Heated exchange led to advocate's tears

2012-05-24 12:41

Cape Town - A heated exchange between the ANC’s Advocate Gcina Malindi and Judge Neels Claassen at the South Gauteng High Court on Thursday led to the lawyer breaking down in tears.

Claassen had earlier asked him if the ANC would still be making a submission to court if FW de Klerk’s face was used in the painting.

Malindi began speaking about the country’s transition from apartheid to a democracy and apparently became rather emotional, put his hands to his chest and started sobbing.

The lawyer was said to be so emotional that even opposing counsel comforted him.

Malindi’s junior advocate might take over from him.

The ANC is applying to have Brett Murray's painting The Spear, which depicts President Jacob Zuma with his penis showing, removed from City Press's website and from display at the Goodman Gallery. 

Earlier, Malindi conceded that dignity and privacy rights do not apply to Zuma's office as president of the country or the ANC.



Comments
  • mihaip007 - 2012-05-24 12:42

    what??? lol

      mihaip007 - 2012-05-24 12:45

      I must say - in the past in Europe and else we had various revolutions. One was called, the Bloddy Revolutions, the other The French Revolution, Then the Rose Revolution, the Velvet Revolution. I don;t know somewhat a romantic type of naming. Here we can choose between: The Toilet Revolution (remember the toilet sage? no dignity there still MR. Spear), the Spear Revolution, the "Used-Like-A-Condom Revolution" LOL! We are CERTAINLY in Africa ladys and gents.... Oh man I feel like sobbing here :(

      mihaip007 - 2012-05-24 12:49

      I am just making a point that we are the joke of the world!!! ... and it is sad - SOB SOB!!!

      Piet - 2012-05-24 12:52

      @ mihaip007 - Hand me a tissue... I am also starting to sob over here... ?_?

      Janice - 2012-05-24 12:52

      C I R C U S!!!!! hahahahahahahahaha

      mihaip007 - 2012-05-24 12:53

      @piet - we need a hug! and someone to take over my commenting abilities LOL

      John - 2012-05-24 12:55

      i was saying yesterday that this is taking up to much news space on n24, i regret saying that now and am getting more laughs out of this than i was getting with juju, keep it going please, maybe we read of a suicide in court because of the big bad apartheid system or zuma finding out his knob is not actully as big as murry depicted it

      mihaip007 - 2012-05-24 12:59

      @procold2: maybe the whole reason for this court fight is perhaps because Mr. Spear is NOT happy with the size depicted! Maybe we are all mistaken and he MAY have a large one! LOL

      dewald.galjaard - 2012-05-24 13:02

      For crying out loud. Anybody else see how ridiculous this has become? THIS IS LIKE A SOAPIE WITH NO AD BREAKS!

      Ashley - 2012-05-24 13:07

      Can someone please pass me a tissue, I was just fined by a Black policeman in Durban......

      grant.hide - 2012-05-24 13:08

      Who cares, bring the popcorn.

      Susan - 2012-05-24 13:09

      This story seems to be getting better and better,hahahaha

      Jan - 2012-05-24 13:12

      @Ashley Get yourself a taxi, no more fines...

      shirley.steenkamp - 2012-05-24 13:13

      Soke and mirrors!!!!

      mihaip007 - 2012-05-24 13:34

      @Thabang - you feel offended? I feel SORRY for those that are STILL using thopse toilets that have not been sorted out my man! I am OFFENDED that we are being represented by a president that could not care less for his nation, I am offended by the anc nonses that is hapenning today in court, and am offended by the lack of medical supplies, and I am offended by the fact that young children today are not being given textbooks and an education that brings upon POSITIVE change in this country... my man I am offended because you are offended by my comments..!

      Allan - 2012-05-24 13:44

      Sir Andrew Lloyd Webber and Tim Rice will not have to script this one, Don't cry for me Zuma ha ha ha ha ha .

      Thabang - 2012-05-24 14:01

      @ mihaip007, believe you me I am also offended by the way certain things are done by our government. That including our president's moral judgement. Does that give me a base to redicule my president by painting His private parts? No it does not. Maybe its a culture difference that we, blacks and whites, have. To you this can be a joke, but to me this is disrespect for our president and the African culture.

      Alan - 2012-05-24 14:03

      If this leads to an anc revolution, one could say 'the anc is revolting'

      hester.ferrezuelo - 2012-05-24 14:06

      Thank you mihaip007. I have read all your comments and just when I think there really is no hope then someone like you come along and make me smile again and give me hope. I second your offenses - those are the real issues at stake!! This morning in the DD is a story of a 6 year old boy who was brutally raped for the second time in the school toilet by School's Care Taker - don't you think that that deserves more attention????

      mihaip007 - 2012-05-24 14:08

      @Thabane - What else can we do other than ridicule the man? It is SAD (read my three letter word: S A D) that all the people that are OFFENDED by his dictatorship (to quote the recently-used condom)..! You know the ones that are living in OFFENDING levels of poverty - while he blames US! The white minority? Let me tell you something: what is my colour? WHITE! I CAME here from a poor country such as the Communist Easter block of europe! The one where SACP and the likes of cosatus wants to bury all of us in..! I came with NOTHING: not even a word of english in my vocabulary! I made myself! Nobody had to give it to me because I was WHITE..! All these black unpriviledged people are truly sad everytime they demand, and blame the white minority WHILE the anc are linning theior pockets and claim foul.! Read about the recent R300bil unconditionally lending that was JUST passed for... CUBA! WTF?

      Alan - 2012-05-24 14:09

      @Thabang - I get your point. I dont think it is aimed at the African Culture, I think it is aimed at the President by his actions. However, it should be removed if it is taken as offensive to people in general. However, my own point of view is the the President commands very little respect, so in that sense it is just 'reaping what he sows'.But sure - there obviously is a culture difference, and to many whites (like myself) the whole 'ado about nothing' is funny. It is however definately not meant to disrespect the public who dislike the painting.

      Thabang - 2012-05-24 14:12

      @ Alan, that is where you are wrong. This is not perceived as an ANC issue but an African culture issue. I know of many people that are not members of ANC but are offended by this.

      Thabang - 2012-05-24 14:29

      @ mihaip007, sir, you still dont get my point. Yes, there are issues in the country that we are facing. Black and white. HOWEVER, as Africans we do not go out, because of our anger, and start doing things such as painting our president's private parts. Maybe it is acceptable in that communist Easter block of europe where you come from. Not in S.A. I hope you get my point.

      Alan - 2012-05-24 14:30

      @Thabang - then I agree - it is offensive. But in terms of Satire, it is good in terms of the point it makes.

      mihaip007 - 2012-05-24 14:47

      @Thabang - I think you are starting to become more clear! Fine it was wrong for the guy to have gone for the jewels...! The problem is still that the anc is making a mockery of what the real issues are! And if you cared, you'd ALSO be offended by that mere fact of what the anc is doing to this country! As about the paiting I doubt very much that a human being can be angry for days on end! Yes it DOES take a few good days to PAINT (not photoshop) a painting..! I would rather believe that the person (Brett) has taken his time in putting his skills that have been aquired over many years of learning and trading to bring about the point that he WAS trying to get across..! Most of use get it by looking within the subliminal message, while most that are outraged by the spear representation actually look at a simple face value..! If you use the intellect, you;d see that there is a REASON of the choice of showing him as Lenin...! Which by the way was a Russian dictator..! The spear to me represents Zuma's private selfish needs - and he is putting it above anything else while he is trying to rule the nation as a dictator..! I don't find it offensive - I find it clever! As about culture - can you tell me why are there young ladies dancing about with their exposed breasts in your culture? I thought you guys were making a point that private parts are not displayed in the african culture. To that I tell you dear friend: rubbish!

      TSOTSI Smilification - 2012-05-24 14:49

      @Thabang "Communist Easter block of europe where you come from" <--- IDIOT. WTF?

      Omrisho - 2012-05-24 15:09

      thabang...with all due respect, "as Africans we do not go out, because of our anger, and start doing things such as painting our president's private parts." unfortunately many africans resort to burning down buildings, rioting and general destruction, the painting in it's own right is harmless and a silent protest... you cannot play one off against the other

      Tgif - 2012-05-24 15:14

      I agree Janice this government sure is a Circus but the Clowns are alot funnier than Boswell Wilke !!!!!!!!!!

      BlousteBlou - 2012-05-24 15:47

      Thabang, please search for "Ayanda Mabulu" to see exactly how a black artist is painting our president

      Preshen - 2012-05-24 16:41

      Maybe he is crying because this story does not want to end

      Russan - 2012-05-24 17:01

      Ha ha ha ha ha, guess who is paying the CRYING bill now, taxpayers, USE THIS COURT TIME FOR RAPE AND ABUSED KIDS ! JZ, Bill C etc can afford to buy their own VIAGRA !

      Preshen - 2012-05-25 08:06

      It is not the first time Zuma penis made a lady cry

      logical007 - 2012-05-25 10:00

      @Thabang If the portraying of ones penis is so un-african and not of african culture to show private parts then why is it so common to see black AFRICAN men pull out their penises on the side of the road in full view of anyone walking or driving past to have a wee-wee???????

      jomardl - 2012-05-25 10:06

      @mihaip007 - All this derisive cackling, "we are the joke of the world" etc... is it really so difficult to understand where black people are coming from on this issue? You can tell them to get over it all you like, it won't change the fact European domination humiliated black people in front of their children every day. Now I know you didn't do it personally, but it happened and you know it happend. You probably saw this with your own eyes many times. Put yourself in someone else's shoes. They take this personally for a reason. Think of the outrage you feel when you hear of some tannie being verbally abused by a traffic cop - you take it personally, right? I know I know I do. Disagree all you like but perhaps you should do so with a little more respect?

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-25 17:42

      This Judge deserves to be washing windscreens at the nearest Traffic lights. ""Claassen had earlier asked him if the ANC would still be making a submission to court if FW de Klerk’s face was used in the painting."" This question exposes he's obvious Biased. What has De Klerk have to do with this ??? The Judiciary system really needs a overhaul and removal of these Apartheid fossils.

  • Irene - 2012-05-24 12:44

    If you can't take the heat, get out of the court room.

      Peter - 2012-05-24 13:07

      Or cry out of it in this case

      zaatheist - 2012-05-24 13:48

      This bloke has been watching too many American TV court dramas with the lawyers playing to a jury. SA judges are not going to be impressed by a display of histrionics.

      Martin - 2012-05-24 13:54

      zaathiest, that to me is manipulation, if i was a judge i would kick that oke out my court room and have them start over.

      Raymond - 2012-05-24 14:38

      Malindi: "I have two words to say.......boo hoo." Pathetic cry baby.

      Clifford - 2012-05-24 16:20

      Oh for crying out a loud...

      alansmartSnr - 2012-05-24 16:43

      Ok.. when I scratch my head you start get emotional..remember your lines about the struggle remember to clutch your chest (just to enact emotion..voice must sound shocked and sad.) Keep it up for about 2 minutes and then take hankerchief and wipe off an imaginary tear. and then let go with as much emototion and sob uncontrolably..shake your head and remember your body language. Dont stop until you have the courts attention and the spectators absulute sympathy - got it? .. OK go! Give that man an Oscar!.. No actor could have done it better, BLOODY FRAUDSTERS !!

      SaintBruce - 2012-05-24 17:35

      An Advocate who couldn't answer a simple question posed by a Judge! Tut Tut , I'd ask for my money back, but WE ARE PAYING for this Circus! I'd love the Artist, Brett Murray, to be asked "So whose face is is anyway?" and give the answer - "No one's. It's made up of several high profile figures who I shall not name. And the genitals, well those are just imaginary like the Buddhist concept, not part of reality actually!" What then would the ANC and the Prez do then! It would be an extreme embarrassment and it would show the world they have no clue about artistic expression [which may be the truth]. I see Vavi's face in that painting, or is it Vusi Pikoli, or maybe it's really Fikile Mbalula or a mix of them all ??? They all ascribe to the party politic. This is a joke on this country - Inspiring New Ways.....to make a fool of a nation!

      stampalex - 2012-05-25 08:14

      Malindi has juinior counsel? More junior than him? No way.

  • Sonja - 2012-05-24 12:45

    The Fall guy!!

  • Gareth - 2012-05-24 12:45

    LOL...

      Raymond - 2012-05-24 14:49

      It's my Party and I'll cry if I want to.

      Bob - 2012-05-24 16:30

      Gareth, do you think the poor guy is in the wrong proffession, I reckon he is a BEE placement.

  • Andre - 2012-05-24 12:45

    The ANC doesn't really have a case and the advocate started to realize that there isn't really an argument when he was asked some intelligent questions!

      Peter - 2012-05-24 12:47

      You should remove the word "really" because they have no case, they want a removed painting... removed? lol

  • Peter - 2012-05-24 12:45

    OK besides the crying you realize that the reason your in court is to have a removed painting.... removed. Guess i would also cry if i made my job such a joke like that. "Claassen had earlier asked him if the ANC would still be making a submission to court if FW de Klerk’s face was used in the painting." The answer of course no, because the law suits the ANC when it sees fit thats a crying shame if ever i saw one lol

      Harold - 2012-05-24 14:09

      Surely if this advocate is emotionally involved in this case someone should have questioned his suitability to argue this case. What is going on?:?"?? is it because he realises that his tasks is going to be difficult.

      Gerda - 2012-05-24 19:14

      think the advocate is in disguise.......... he must be an hired actor and so far he is doing a great job. Next he will become a minister depending of course on the outcome of the court case and if his acting had any influence on the judgement

  • Kroese - 2012-05-24 12:46

    Own goal!!!

      Thamsanqa - 2012-05-24 12:51

      lol....

      rdnaidoo - 2012-05-24 13:22

      WHO STOLE MY OSCAR......MALINDI YOU BUSCUIT!!!! A GREAT PERFORMANCE, REALLY!

  • Monica - 2012-05-24 12:46

    This is a !!!!!!!!!!!JOKE!!!!!!! Grow up and get over it.

  • hournarable.emmanuel - 2012-05-24 12:46

    Ajah!!!!!! Pls advocate let it go...........

  • Gany - 2012-05-24 12:47

    This is incredible.....INCREDIBLE!

  • Crracker - 2012-05-24 12:47

    It was NOT heated. What nonsense. Orchestration comes to mind. This whole affair was uncalled for. They should have left the painting in the circles where it was relevant. But no, they used the opportunity and NOW we will hear the calls for measures against the judicial system and the media. All to bring in a dignity culture behind wich a lot of things will be stashed away.

  • jackal666.daniel - 2012-05-24 12:47

    D@f@q did I just read???

      Peter - 2012-05-24 13:13

      Ill summarize. The ANC cant defend its self when the question is asked would they defend a painting of white person. So he brought up apartheid ie the race card and realized he couldn't win. So in embarrassment not being able to answer he started crying

  • Atholl - 2012-05-24 12:48

    Confucius say : 'War not determine who is Right - but who is Left'

      Tommy - 2012-05-24 13:34

      Confucius say : 'Woman without nipples is pointless'

      Alan - 2012-05-24 14:11

      Confusion Says : Man (like one in painting) at airport turnstile is going to Bangkok

      billidp - 2012-05-24 17:55

      Confucius Say Those who get too big for their britches will be exposed in the end.

  • zola.fata - 2012-05-24 12:48

    Oh shame man, he was probably thinking: "How many times will I have to come to his honour's court to represent jz who always seems to just ask for all his troubles?"... Poor sod...

      jackal666.daniel - 2012-05-24 12:52

      @Zola I absolutely love your comment!

      zolanqa - 2012-05-24 14:28

      (",)

  • Jannes - 2012-05-24 12:48

    Drama queen!

  • chaze.damonze - 2012-05-24 12:49

    LOL!

  • Hettie - 2012-05-24 12:49

    These people know how to milk a cow. They will win oscars for best actors. LOL

  • Schmee - 2012-05-24 12:50

    Dennis is a menace With his "Anyone for tennis?" And he'd beseech me to come keep the score. And Maude said, "Oh Lord, I'm so terribly bored" I really can't stand it anymore...

      Schmee - 2012-05-24 12:53

      .... Well, Patricia was arrested And everyone detested, The terrible manner in which she was exposed Later on in court where everyone thought A summer's run in jail would be proposed.. But the judge said, "Patricia, Or may I say Delicia, The facts of this case lie before me (knock, knock, knock) Case dismissed... This girl was in her working clothes...

      Stirrer - 2012-05-24 13:14

      Brilliant! Wow, that takes me back... Will the judge rule that JZ was also in his "working clothes"? :D

      Bobo - 2012-05-24 13:15

      The Captain of the mugger, He was a dirty bugger.... He wasn`t fit to struglle with Sh1t from one place to another.

      Bryan - 2012-05-24 13:27

      Hickory dickory dock Some artist painted my C**k The judge said No The advocate said Yo And cried off right outta the dock

      Martin - 2012-05-24 13:57

      Bryan you rock mate

      Alan - 2012-05-24 14:13

      haha Bryan - very funny!!!

      Alan - 2012-05-24 14:20

      After an enormous amount of reflection About a member depicted with no erection A well known painting That's has a tainting Could be the cause of a prickly Election

      Schmee - 2012-05-24 14:52

      Now I'm crying... with laughter. Brilliant talent out there.

      Schmee - 2012-05-24 18:07

      Oh dear, hope he doesn't take me to court now. :P Just couldn't help thinking of that song every time I read something about this saga.

  • Jana - 2012-05-24 12:50

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • brainbowgold - 2012-05-24 12:50

    Artists our there....please give us a nude of de Klerk....

      Peter - 2012-05-24 12:58

      You are actually requesting to see a naked old man?

      Susan - 2012-05-24 13:01

      Brainbow - are you craving for naked old men? LOL

      Mike - 2012-05-24 13:02

      Brainbow - go look here you can see cartoons of a lot of world leaders in the nude http://lpickering.net/cartoons/22872 I cant not find any court cases related to these

      antin.herinck - 2012-05-24 13:26

      Say pretty please and I'll think about it. Why do you want it -some weird geriatrics fetish? (But you ask Frikkie to pose -agreed?)

      Martin - 2012-05-24 13:59

      hahaha some comedian last night on comedy central was saying just this thing, its impossible to be racist towards white folks, we just brush it off and mock you straight back, legendary.

      Merven - 2012-05-24 14:05

      Brainbow, it is OK to be gay, you don't have to instigate a painting of a naked man, just google it.

      Schmee - 2012-05-24 14:56

      Ag sies man, I don't want to see that shrivelled up thing.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-25 14:08

      Schmee, I don't think it is shrivelled. His wife looks really happy.

      Esther - 2012-05-25 16:01

      @Brainbow gold - what a childish remark

  • Bullard - 2012-05-24 12:50

    How offen do we see an Advocate, ESPECIALLY representing the ANC/president, cry LIVE in court due to a question???...lol nah, ds is like watchn an emotional soapie

      Mark - 2012-05-24 16:29

      The ANC are collectively a soapie, and a funny one at that

  • Charmaine - 2012-05-24 12:51

    if it wasnt so pathetic it would have been funny. if it wasnt my tax money it would have been funnier?!!

      alansmartSnr - 2012-05-24 17:12

      Charmaine.. got a gut feeling that the ANC will eventually be ordered, as part of the outcome, to pay the legal fees/cost. It's standard procedure when the judiciary get stupid cases to handle.

  • Nazeem - 2012-05-24 12:51

    Give that man a tissue.

      Alan - 2012-05-24 13:47

      Rainbow tissue 4 the rainbow nation!

  • Kyle - 2012-05-24 12:51

    shame. I feel sorry for him. But he needs to build a bridge and get over it. In democracy the president can be criticised for his actions. It happens everywhere in the world, why the fuss and tears here?

  • Ringeta - 2012-05-24 12:53

    the Judge was persecuting ANC. Accusing the advocated of not fighting for De Klerk. How does De klerk get into the picture sir''.

      Timothy - 2012-05-24 12:59

      No. I think you misunderstood. It was a comparison of heads of state with regard to colour and subject matter.

      Susan - 2012-05-24 13:02

      ...and so we cry?

      Peter - 2012-05-24 13:05

      "How does De klerk get into the picture sir" maybe ask your other friends that comment on here, they asked how we wouldve felt if it was de klerk instead of zuma..... You cant choose to follow the law when you wish, i know its the ANC way but it doesnt fly in a courtroom. If black people can ask the question on news24 white people can too...

      martiehigh - 2012-05-24 13:19

      @Ringeta ( The Judge was just making a statement! :)

      linda.drummond.503 - 2012-05-24 13:28

      What are you talking about? He made no such accusation. He simply asked a question. Read the article again, maybe with some help so that you can understand what was said.

      Tommy - 2012-05-24 13:38

      Ringeta, rather not post anymore. Your stupidity is going make cry........with laughter.

      Raymond - 2012-05-24 14:43

      Ringeta, a closed mouth gathers no foot.

      Mark - 2012-05-24 16:30

      Prosecuting bud, prosecuting......

      Jacqui - 2012-05-25 14:10

      Ringeta, how did hungry and homeless women and children get into the picture?.

  • Poseidon - 2012-05-24 12:53

    Probably wishes he looked more carefully at the label, when he took those 'pain killers' his wife had given him!

  • Ringeta - 2012-05-24 12:53

    De klerk is not a Member of ANC. His foundation could have done that not ANC.

      Peter - 2012-05-24 13:06

      Seriously please stop commenting, you are welcome to an opinion but youse some common sense

      DrGonzoSA - 2012-05-24 13:14

      Why should the law be different for the ANC? This is a ridiculous waste of everybody's time and more importantly money. Money that could be put to a million and one better uses in this country

      Gerald - 2012-05-24 13:47

      Ringpiece Maybe if the Judge had said what would the DA do when a similar (nude) picture of Helen Zille was put on display. Oh Sorry it already has and Helen Zille laughed it off and passed a funny comment and that is where it stopped. But Africa's National Circus has to take everything that they do not agree with to court Oh By the way the title of the painting is wrong it shoul have been The Assagai ( The Short Stabbing Instrument )

      Merven - 2012-05-24 14:07

      Lol Ringeta,with guys like you in the ruling party it explains why SA is in the state it currently is.

      Mark - 2012-05-24 16:32

      Surprised you're not in government - you have the right mindset, and ignorance, to be very successful.

      Mark - 2012-05-24 16:53

      O my, I can not for the life of me know when I laughed so much @MarkH your comment at the end takes the cake. Ringeta seriously, and I mean SE-RIOUS-LY does not grasp the all thing, and in essence thus explains our current goverment - They simply just dont get it LOL!

      Jacqui - 2012-05-25 14:11

      Ringeta, you just don't get it and won't get it either.

  • Jacques AkaShreko Stander - 2012-05-24 12:54

    Damn clown & pony show with my tax money!

      Mark - 2012-05-24 16:33

      Yup, my problem exactly. Wouldn't mind it if Shabir was footing the bill here but now it's us.

      alansmartSnr - 2012-05-24 17:22

      The ANC are going to loose this case and as usual will be liable for the costs. (this means the ANC as a policical party and not as a government.) Will be interesting to see them foot the bill. DA will keep a good watch on this.. take my word for that.

  • Koos - 2012-05-24 12:54

    remember NOT to select him to settle your divorce!

      Susan - 2012-05-24 13:03

      I wonder what he will do if he sees my payslip... probably commit suicide?

  • Jamba - 2012-05-24 12:55

    Please people, this thing is making me tired and giving me a headace.

  • Ulrich - 2012-05-24 12:55

    LMAO!!!!!! "put his hands to his chest and started sobbing." Hahahaha what a dooch.. Nandos here's your chances to make an advert where you give the olk a serviette with a Nandos logo to wipe his tears... Remember its my idea I want some royalties...

  • Wilhelm - 2012-05-24 12:55

    This is something that we should not make fun of. I lived after the apartheid era but some Africans really went through hell under white authority. But in defense of the nation. That era is past and everyone white, black, Chinese, Indian and so forth should leave the past behind them and just please, for the sake of our Country South Africa, just move on. So it is an emotional event.

      Jacques AkaShreko Stander - 2012-05-24 12:58

      Agree with you....but we young white generation(who had nothing todo with apartheid) will be paying for apartheid for the rest of our lives.

      Susan - 2012-05-24 13:09

      OMG Wilhelm this is a media circus and nothing else. Somebody is painting a bad picture of a man who happens to be notorious for his promiscuity and his advocate break down in sobs?!!! Come back to the real world this is ridiculous! The so-called advocate is behaving like a 5-year old child and being paid for it on top of it and we should not make fun of it?! Get real! If the man is such a softie he should stay at home and NOT sell his services in court - he is making a fool of himself and in public. So public have the right to laugh and shake their heads...

      linda.drummond.503 - 2012-05-24 13:35

      Get a grip, Wilhelm. I lived DURING the apartheid era so I've seen both sides of the coin. Are you implying that the ANC is better than the NP? I'll leave that for you to think about. Other than that I fully concur with what Susan said.

      Dee - 2012-05-24 13:46

      Wilhelm ... I too have felt extremely uncomfortable and sensitive to both our history and cultural respect in this case. ... And posted that Gallery should have quietly removed the painting. BUT - on reflection, is this attitude of mine not PATRONISING? ie. Perhaps disrespectful in the belief that a group of our society are 'too weak', 'not grown up enough', 'too reactive' etc to be able to handle parody / satire? And another doubt creeps in : The very people I unwittingly 'patronise', demonstrate a rapacious appetite and desire for '1st World' living standards... so surely our 1st world constitution on artistic expression should be upheld?

      Merven - 2012-05-24 14:09

      Nonsense Wilhelm, so that is your excuse for being unprofessional?

      Mark - 2012-05-24 16:35

      This is not emotional, this is seriously funny. Emotional is when you have a car accident, or fall off the roof, or the artist portrays you as a woman

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-05-24 19:23

      I agree Wilhelm. We need to stop the crowing and the "I told you so's" - if we don't start treating each other with respect, there will be hell to pay.

      henk63 - 2012-05-24 20:52

      TaniaSandra, respect is a two-way street. JZ deserves none, period. Those defending him also deserve none, but demand it all. We, the taxpaying citizens, deserve all the respect, but get none. Where does this leave us? A screwed-up coutry in the deepest mess possible, but still sinking deeper and deeper. I have no hope anymore.

      Testa - 2012-05-25 05:46

      @Wilhem - You are a true South African. Your attitude and senstitivity is what we need in this country to heal. Its sad seeing people trivialising something that opens up deep emotional memories. We have forgiven, but the forgetting is unlikely to happen overnight. The damage of 300yrs of opression cannot be undone in 18yrs, but you sir are part of the solution - so i commend that recognition. Africans have long been used as objects of ridicule and entertainment to our white counterparts. This is why there is a great backlash from within our communities on this matter. It is not about Zuma, more than it is about the principle. The motivation of polygamy for painting this is ridiculous [that is how we live and who we are], the mention of "illigitimate" children is sad [there is no such thing as an illigitimate child in Africa], the obsession with another man's sexuality is equally stupid. This is why Africans will unite in fighting this gross violation of human rights. Sarah Bartman's remains were repatriated to this country by our former presidents Mandela and Mbeki for this reason.

      Testa - 2012-05-25 05:47

      I am an African.... I have seen our country torn asunder as these, all of whom are my people, engaged one another in a titanic battle, the one redress a wrong that had been caused by one to another and the other, to defend the indefensible. I have seen what happens when one person has superiority of force over another, when the stronger appropriate to themselves the prerogative even to annul the injunction that God created all men and women in His image. I know what if signifies when race and colour are used to determine who is human and who, sub-human. I have seen the destruction of all sense of self-esteem, the consequent striving to be what one is not, simply to acquire some of the benefits which those who had improved themselves as masters had ensured that they enjoy. I have experience of the situation in which race and colour is used to enrich some and impoverish the rest. I have seen the corruption of minds and souls in the pursuit of an ignoble effort to perpetrate a veritable crime against humanity. I have seen concrete expression of the denial of the dignity of a human being emanating from the conscious, systemic and systematic oppressive and repressive activities of other human beings. Among us prowl the products of our immoral and amoral past - killers who have no sense of the worth of human life All this I know and know to be true because I am an African!

      Jacqui - 2012-05-25 14:14

      Wilhelm, I agree with you. Under apartheid no one won, and it was a disgrace. What worries me is that we are never going to get past apartheid because the ANC is keeping it alive, come hell or high water.

  • Ringeta - 2012-05-24 12:56

    Dignity applies to the President's office and rights do apply. He is a peron before he is a president.

      Jacques AkaShreko Stander - 2012-05-24 13:04

      His a public figure and should be an example to the people he serves.... But his NO leader to anyone!!!!!!!!

      robbie.crouch - 2012-05-24 13:08

      It does not, even the advocate admitted as such. Oy Vey...

      Peter - 2012-05-24 13:22

      You realize the court case isnt even about his dignity right? they just want a removed painting... removed

      Ed - 2012-05-24 13:36

      Ringeta. i wholeheartedly agree with you. HOWEVER...this is a man who has made us the laughing stock of africa and the world. even the nigerians, botswanas and ghanains laugh at him. by marrying so many woman, telling his new wife in public and on their wedding day that she 'must leave the door open for more', by fathering more than 20kids - many out of wedlock and being involved in corruption scam after corruption scam, the mdluli saga, the Cele saga...there are too many to mention. by doing all of this, who has actually discredited the Presidents office by his actions? Nuff said...the facts speak for themselves. PS: search the net for funny pics on everyone from Angela Merkel to Obama...

      Christopher - 2012-05-24 13:37

      @ Ringeta : You're right, he is a person before he is a president. So why did he not simply lay a charge of 'defamation of character'?

      Karen - 2012-05-24 14:27

      Ayanda Mabulu's painting depicts Zuma in a worse light and Tutu. Why all the fuss now?

      Mark - 2012-05-24 16:38

      Agree with you, very, very similar to Peron he is.

      Mark - 2012-05-24 16:40

      If he had applied dignity to the office then his dignity would be preserved. No good complaining now, he has no dignity anyway.

      Merven - 2012-05-25 08:15

      Is a peron like a tool or turd?

  • David - 2012-05-24 12:56

    "Earlier, Malindi conceded that dignity and privacy rights do not apply to Zuma's office as president of the country or the ANC." Case over, then! Next!

  • mikenortje - 2012-05-24 12:56

    OMW!!! What the hell next??

  • Matete - 2012-05-24 12:57

    I think the judge has lost it,how can he ask such a stupid question?No 1 is above the law as 4 da paint there's no Justification!

      Nigel - 2012-05-24 13:17

      I suggest you go and tell that Judge a thing or two Matete. Get him on the right track.

      Francois - 2012-05-24 14:00

      Matete, remeber what happened the last time we had a president who was above the law. You might be too young to remember what PW Botha did to the darker people in this country, but I cant tell you my friend, it was horrific!!! Would you want to trade 1 dictator for another, just because his skin is darker? Remember the freedom your parents and mine fought for?(yes I am white, get over it) It applies to speech and expression from all, not just the previously oppressed. How is this painting worse than Zuma singing Mshini Wam and Julius singing Shoot the Boer???

  • Lionel - 2012-05-24 12:57

    Ridiculous; I'm in the business. If my counsel started sobbing, I'd fire him immediately.

      Dee - 2012-05-24 14:04

      Awwwwww....... meanie! But - if I was paying an advocate who burst into tears - I'd fire him too!!! :)))))))

      Mark - 2012-05-24 16:43

      Is he counsel or is he a cadre, therein may lay the answer. If he's counsel he probably discovered he won't be paid, if he's a cadre he probably doesn't understand the questions and is crying because he'd rather be somewhere else where he wasn't being picked on by some meanie.

  • Nigel - 2012-05-24 12:58

    Hell, even their Advocates don't know how to behave. You do not, do not ever, have a 'heated exchange' with a Judge. What a damn circus.

      Kent - 2012-05-24 14:43

      A cowboy never cries, espesially infront of his horse!!

  • Piet - 2012-05-24 12:58

    Crying over spilled milk????

      les.lancaster - 2012-05-24 22:07

      No Pieter....... crying over ugly balls......

  • Bullard - 2012-05-24 12:58

    I take it that now the ANC will refer to the judge as racist.................????? 1nce just go home guys and save money to buy tissue instead

      Nigel - 2012-05-24 13:10

      You better believe it - I can see the headlines now - White Racist Judge........ Hell they just cannot get over themselves and realise they are just not that important.

  • marlin.samuels.1 - 2012-05-24 12:58

    Honestly, this advocate is very weak defending the cause on behalf of the ANC, his arguments are very vague , think i would have done a better job, no comments on the crying though

      henk63 - 2012-05-24 20:55

      He was in over his head. People who can't think with their minds, think with their hearts. Unfortunately that doesn't cut it in this day and age.

  • netswera.livhuwani - 2012-05-24 12:59

    shame cry over JZ he is filling his bags with coruption monies,u buzy crying,sgame

      Peter - 2012-05-24 13:26

      Thats why JZ isnt in court hes stuffing his pockets as we speak lol

  • Lionel - 2012-05-24 13:00

    So I'm looking at the photo of this emo advocate, and I see he has the money bag on the back of his robe: thus he is junior counsel. Why on earth does the ANC hire a junior instead of Silk?

      Stirrer - 2012-05-24 13:21

      Lionel, must be an old pic - "Gcina was admitted to the Bar in 1995 and took silk in 2010." Slik or not, it's stupid to take on a case that you know you can't win.

  • marlin.samuels.1 - 2012-05-24 13:00

    No wonder ANC loses most if not all cases because their lawyers / advocates are very weak

      James - 2012-05-24 13:16

      BBBEE - what do you expect?

  • robbie.crouch - 2012-05-24 13:00

    Getting too hot in the kitchen for the Adv.

  • wayne.kukard - 2012-05-24 13:01

    So many people without work, going hunger no education but the ANC can take people to court over a stupid painting... nice to see where their loyalty lies!!!!

      DianeMKruger - 2012-05-24 14:56

      I agree with you. Just imagine how many homeless children can be fed with all that money

  • madmcmax - 2012-05-24 13:01

    This is a case of misdirection and teh ANC are lapping it up. While our attention is fixed on a painting of what is alleged to be Zuma's knob, all the contentious legislation will zip thorugh Parliament without us noticing. For example, the Government are now to take the e-tollining interdict to the Constitutional Court. Has that received as many column inches as Zuma's knob?

  • lesego.wagamalane - 2012-05-24 13:03

    Racism will forever exist. White/Blacks/Pinks and Blue just have to tolerate each other............DONE!

      les.lancaster - 2012-05-24 22:11

      WELL AT LAST AN HONEST COMMENT........ WELL SAID

  • lerato.kay.3 - 2012-05-24 13:03

    Call this guy a cry baby, pu**y or whatever, but this is one of the tactics used by lawyers to gain sympathy and influence judgement. Now he has shown than when he think about the ills of apartheid he breaks down, hence associating the portrait with what used to happen in those years. This guy has learnt a lot from O.J’s murder trial, watch the space now he has the judges in his pockets.

      Nigel - 2012-05-24 13:15

      For a long term in my life I was in and out of various courts in serious criminal cases. you'r explanation is absolute rubbish, and once again just more of the same useless meaningless blind ANC supporter drivel. For once, why not shut it and learn something? The case will go either way based on the actual merits of the case, not on juvenile Drama.

      Peter - 2012-05-24 13:29

      you have to be a pretty fkin stupid judge to fall for this. At the end of the day all its shown is the ANC wouldnt defend a painting of a white person. They apply the law where they see fit

  • John - 2012-05-24 13:03

    What a wimp, glad he is for the ANC.