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Hospital turns away woman in labour

2012-05-17 09:32

Cape Town - A Khayelitsha hospital turned away a woman who was in labour, causing the woman to have her baby boy only a few metres from the hospital entrance, the Cape Argus reports.

Noluvuyo Kobocwana, 29, gave birth to baby Sibusise outside the new Michael Mapongwana Hospital, which had refused to admit her because she was registered as a patient of nearby Tygerberg Hospital, where she had gone for her pre-natal checkups.

Kobocwana said she had a neighbour take her and her mother to Michael Mapongwana Hospital as soon as she felt the contractions on Monday night, as she thought this hospital was closer.

"They said they can't help me because I'm a Tygerberg patient," she said.

Her mother Nokhawuntana Kobocwana said it was too late. “Before I knew it, the baby came out and fell on to the cement."

Mother and baby were then admitted to the hospital.

Noluvuyo said she named the baby Sibusise "because it’s a blessing how he came into the world".

There was no comment from the health department.

Comments
  • Jacomi - 2012-05-17 09:43

    Disgraceful! So little left of human in humanity :(

      Janice - 2012-05-17 09:58

      Obviously there will be no comment from the health dept. What the hell can they say!!!??? INHUMAN!!!

      Sharon - 2012-05-17 10:44

      @ Janice - what can they say? There is not a single statement they can make that could justify their inaction.

      Squeegee - 2012-05-17 10:55

      They just don't care.

      Justin - 2012-05-17 10:58

      Silindile, the woman says she thought the othe hospital was closer. In an emergency would you not want to go to the closest hospital, but rather pause and think about logistics?

      Michelle - 2012-05-17 11:06

      Silindile, is jy gek, are you mad? have you had a baby? and even so, do you have a doctors degree to say how long it takes for ppl from being in labour to having a child? ALL births are different. if it was her first time giving birth, how should she know wheat is labour pains, cause for some women its not even painful. mxm man , sies, as a woman you are disgusting. should it happen to u, ud expect the hospital to take u. in my opinion what the hospital should hav done is evaluate her, and based on their finding send her to her hospital in one of their shuttles.

      elize.vankerckhoven - 2012-05-17 11:13

      @Silindile maybe if somebody took the time to do a quick examination they would have realised how far in labour she was!!Not all babies takes day to be born!!

      lhenama - 2012-05-17 11:17

      Hay Silindile there's u're being inhumane now, how can you as a woman say that when you know how these things happen. This woman lives in Khayelitsha where the hospital is, how can when she is there now seeking help be turned away. I'm sure you are one of the nurses that make the government hospitals horrible with services that's why you're defending this thing that was done to this woman.

      ozzie.oz1 - 2012-05-17 11:39

      @ Silindile, you say "am in my 4th year of med school so am more educated on this than your average person. You also say you went to the University of Witwatersrand in 2014" I think you are just plain ignorant!

      janti.cloete - 2012-05-17 11:41

      Silinde, I hope to God you don't make it to the finals or graduation. Because if this is how you are now I certainly don't want to see you as a doctor.... Not even finished and you are already as arrogant as can be.

      Vernon - 2012-05-17 11:44

      @ silindile i hope you fail your fourth year OVER and OVER and OVER.

      henningjohn.meyer - 2012-05-17 11:57

      Silindile I am glad that you mentioned that you are 4th year which means you haven't done the Hipocratic oath. It clearly states that you are to attempt preserve human life, it does not say I will attempt to preserve human life except if its at the wrong hospital. Secondly how do you know what her doctors orders were? And a goverment health institution is a goverment health institution. As a student you are not yet fully exposed to workings with in a goverment hospital as you still get shielded. And saying that I had psychology as a subject doesn't make me a psychologist. And just before you want to get stuck in to me, I am a qaulified health care proffesional with experience in the goverment set up. Change your mind set because once you qaulify HPCSA will not tolerate such statements about possible patients.

      janine.arulnathan - 2012-05-17 12:14

      @Silindile - I fear for my life if you were my doctor. Im sure everyone will agree that one of the most important personality attributes doctors should have is COMPASSION...sadly you have none. @Henningjohn.meyer - I wish I could like your comment more than once :)

      Ruth - 2012-05-17 12:25

      @ Silindile... if you are studying medicine, then I truly fear for patients you may treat one day. Labour can be lengthy, or incredibly quick. Labour is also treated as an emergency situation, and it should be the duty of the hospital to examine the patient before deciding to send her somewhere else. My sister was in labour a total of less than one hour with her third child (from initial labour pain to delivery). Now imagine relying not only on PUBLIC TAXI's but PUBLIC HOSPITALS as well. Come on. If you are planning to be a doctor, I suggest you get some empathy and understand the situation fully. You may be a med student, but you are not a doctor yet. You would also know that YOU cannot make a diagnosis or evaluate the patient and how far along she was from a news report. the simple answer is that the hospital failed her, and hence, the unempathetic doctors and staff should face disciplinary action.

      Rodney - 2012-05-17 12:30

      silindile, that's just ignorant. What if the woman was on holiday in Durban, should she rush back to Tygerberg? Hospitals have a duty to treat anyone coming through the door, no matter which hospital they are registered with unless the hospital does not deal with A&E patients.

      Rob - 2012-05-17 12:31

      Sindile: As you say, rules are important, without them the any system would be less efficient. On the other hand qualifications, experience, and even common sense are available too. Well, I wasn't there so cannot comment on the appropriateness of anyones behaviour in this instance, although the outcome certainly is not what a person should have to accept in a civilised society...yes I am questionng the values of this society. The real issue here is the principal that qualification must be about having the knowledge to break the rules when appropriate in the interest of the individual patient as opposed to the beaurocracy. If you never do that not only are you failing your patients and have wasted the tax payer's money used to qualify you. I hope that you will become a caring professional not an administrative automaton, good luck.

      Janice - 2012-05-17 13:07

      Silindile, thank God you will NEVER be my doctor, if you even make it to become one, you are disgraceful and they should throw you out NOW before you get to treat some poor unknowing patient!!! SIES on you!!!

      nsda29 - 2012-05-17 13:34

      Silindile which planet do you come from? Have you ever been on labour? The length of the labour is unpredictable midwives should know that. At they could have done a quick check up on her to see if its a matter of urgency and if not, then they transfer her to the right hospital. Nurses do a great job even under pressure but you do get lazy ones who are nasty and who use any excuse not to help patients! Silindile I really hope you are not one of them!

      dumisiledee - 2012-05-17 13:36

      Ooooh Silindile, I advice you to drop out now, there's definately no hope for you madam, it took me less than an hour to have deliver my baby and labour pains well what labour pains? I thought they were just cramps like I'd usually have, only when my water broke did I realise that the baby was coming so please lady, get your facts right. To some women it doesn't take a day or even more than 2hrs.

      charmaine.pauwels - 2012-05-17 13:54

      @Sindile. Oh my word. I cannot believe you have even got through three years. Could only have cheated your way through. My first born also came unpretictably, and I was forced to rush to nearest hospital. Don't think you can do nature's work, just do your own, and abide by oath that you take when qualified - which I hope for all out there, that you never do!!

      simba.lumbe - 2012-05-17 16:29

      @Sindile - Stupid woman! If I ever! Unfathomable how you're a medical student and you can't think 3 dimensionally! Oh mercy, mercy, mercy - you sound even more retarded defending a bureaucracy you don't even understand fully! "She disobeyed her doctor's orders..." yadda yadda fishcake and cow dung! It's not even debatable why she rocked up the mentioned hospital in the first place. Hello, reread the article - it says she took action when contractions began on Monday NIGHT! Now really, logistics are not always as smooth flowing for everyone at night time as they are for some! The poor lady should be commended for seeking medical help at the NEAREST place in the SHORTEST of time possible, rather than have the baby in an unsterilised environment because because a "card" says she should only go to a certain hospital! I know for a fact you are being taught to think further than your nose in this profession you're pursuing, and this is just you being outright-stupid! "Purposefully showed up at the wrong hospital"! Go ride a bike into oncoming traffic!

      sabongam - 2012-05-17 17:14

      If Silindile is an example of the kind of doctors we are producing I shudder to think what the state of affairs will be when she graduates...Silindile you haven't done you future MBChB qualifaction any favours...In fact you've done the opposite...Some day you will hear about something called the Hypocrat oath and I just wonder how serious it will mean to you...Wouldn't want you to be my doctor or for ppl I care about OR anybody for that matter...Why don't you just quit right now and go into law? Another point is that this happened in the WC - the DA's territory so why isn't anybody criticising them?

  • eil33nn - 2012-05-17 09:47

    Could this incident not be against the hippocratic oath? Medical mal-practice? Disgusting!

      janti.cloete - 2012-05-17 11:44

      The Hippocratic oath died with him 500 years ago....

      stuart.steedman - 2012-05-17 12:57

      Fairly sure Hippocrates is older than 500 years

  • Zimbobwe - 2012-05-17 09:48

    "Mother and baby were then admitted to the hospital" Idiot reporting, which hospital??? Tygerberg or Michael.

      Msika - 2012-05-17 10:27

      "Were THEN addmitted TO THE hospital" this clearly suggest that, they were admitted to the hospital that initially refused to admit the mother (Michael Mapongwana hospital). Idiot commenting.

      thinga - 2012-05-17 10:28

      Maybe "the" hospital in question, Michael Schumacher!

      lhenama - 2012-05-17 11:18

      Hay Zimbobwe use your common sense nawe dude.

  • ErnaJacobs - 2012-05-17 09:51

    Batho Pele . Ya right

      sabongam - 2012-05-17 17:12

      If Silindile is an example of the kind of doctors we are producing I shudder to think what the state of affairs will be when she graduates...Silindile you haven't done you future MBChB qualifaction any favours...In fact you've done the opposite...Some day you will hear about something called the Hypocrat oath and I just wonder how serious it will mean to you...Wouldn't want you to be my doctor or for ppl I care about OR anybody for that matter...Why don't you just quit right now and go into law?

  • Suprise - 2012-05-17 09:54

    whats new another day at a lazy hospital, i can relate to this...... nurses are a sorry excuse for human beings

      Philip - 2012-05-17 11:24

      Surprise, are you an idiot? not all nurses are bad, most of the nurses i have met have been absolutely great and do it for the passion of helping people, not for a pay check. they get paid peanuts to hold YOUR life in their hands. yes, the hospital should have seen, examined her and gone from there, but for you to call nurses a "sorry excuse for human beings"is uncalled for and completely unrealistic. catch a wake up.

      stevemoss4 - 2012-05-17 11:24

      not all nurses. i agree what happened is wrong. but i blame management for this. if the nurses did all her and there were costs involved it would have been on those nurses. they trying to run hospitals like businesses and it just doesnt work. and i agree with elize and michelle, they could have taken some time to evaluate the lady.

      Barefoot - 2012-05-17 12:04

      The decision on whether to admit a patient rests with the doctor that's how hospitals function- Nurses don't admit they take care!

  • Carla - 2012-05-17 09:55

    Oh my word!!! what if there had been complications???

  • Monti - 2012-05-17 09:56

    Nats ran better hospitals

      Herman - 2012-05-17 10:03

      True

      Gregory - 2012-05-17 10:07

      true, Nats did run better hospitals, but only for the white population.

      Theo - 2012-05-17 10:21

      @Gregory.. Go talk your k#k somewhere else. During the Nats days the Baragwanah hospital was one of the best. Always had stock of all medicines and had state of the art equipment. It was so clean you could eat of the floors and all staff was fully trained. You were most likely not even born during those days

      Gregory - 2012-05-17 10:32

      another denialist....theo, u must be longing for your days of privelege again

      Janice - 2012-05-17 10:39

      EFF Off gregory!

      Jacqui - 2012-05-17 10:50

      Gregory,one of those that assisted with the first heart transplant in Groote Schuur hospital was a black man. It is a pity that when you spew your racist hatred, all it does is show how stupid you are.

      Silindile - 2012-05-17 11:14

      Hmmm... From what I hear black labour wards in apartheid hospitals were nothing short of a horror movie... Oh to have been white, priveleged and completely unaware of what the other side was experiencing... Must've been bliss.

      Janice - 2012-05-17 14:42

      IT WAS!!!

  • George - 2012-05-17 09:58

    Does this not remind you of the husband that had to go between hospitals with his wife, who passed on, in a wheelbarrow. The clerks and non medical staff think they own these institutions.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-17 10:51

      Or the patient that fell out of bed but had to lie there because all the nursing staff were attending a prayer meeting.

  • Bongeka - 2012-05-17 10:02

    I can't b/lieve how nurse can b so difficult,yet they al knw pain of being in labour.

  • JHNortje - 2012-05-17 10:04

    This is... Can't believe. This woman should be able to sue this hospital. What if there was complications? Thank God the Mother and baby is ok.

  • Shannon - 2012-05-17 10:06

    of course there was no comment from the health department... they will do all they can to avoid being held accountable for this disgusting and inhumane treatment. slap on the wrist for the hospital and the rest will be swept under the carpet.

  • Michael - 2012-05-17 10:11

    Michael, Indeed very disgraceful, apparently the wrong people are in charge of that hospital

  • angela.monaghansandells - 2012-05-17 10:13

    Disgusting, dangerous and disrespectful for a hospital to do such a thing! Thankfully it sounds like it was a quick birth and there were no complications. Good luck to mom and baby.

  • AdeleFHM - 2012-05-17 10:15

    SHAME ON YOU! I hope she gets millions for this

  • leandal1 - 2012-05-17 10:18

    this is totally ridiculous. And the just born baby fell on the cememt!!!!! There shud be a law against preventing women in labour access to any hospital regardless of whether registered or not. And if their excuse is they dont have the woman medical history well there is something call a telephone!!!!

      Silindile - 2012-05-17 10:43

      What you are asking for is chaos. More then what is already occurring in our public hospitals. Every woman is assigned a hospital where she has to deliver her baby. If ppl just walked in off the street to the hospital of their choosing the staff would not be prepared for the numbers they receive. \r\nWhen dealing with a population of 49million you can't just \wing\ it, sorry.

      Carla - 2012-05-17 11:04

      And if she cannot get to the hospital that she has been assigned to, then what???

      Silindile - 2012-05-17 11:09

      According to the article she specifically asked for her driver to take her to the wrong hospital, even though Tygerberg was nearby...\r\nA woman is not pregnant for 9 months without knowing how she will get to the labour ward when the time comes, that in itself is INCREDIBLY irresponsible.

      Carla - 2012-05-17 11:21

      Yes, but for any other woman that cannot make it to her assigned hospital? Also, if this was her first baby, it's quite possible that she panicked and opted to get to the nearest possible hospital. They have no right to turn her away while she is in labour. I understand them refusing to let her get her vitamins there or get her scans done there, but to turn away a woman who is in labour, that is unacceptable.

      elize.vankerckhoven - 2012-05-17 11:22

      @Silindile do you for one minute think that casualties at a private hospital will turn a private patient away if you rock up there just about to give birth because your doctor is at another private hospital???? NO they won't and there should be no reason why it should be any different at a goverment hospital!!

      Silindile - 2012-05-17 11:47

      Elize, you know very well that private hospitals done function in the same way that public hospitals do. And that's because they're not responsible for serving 49 million people. Like I said, it would be chaos otherwise if a system hadn't been worked out.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-05-17 13:19

      @Silindile. I partly see a point in your argument, but you must admit that your 1st comment was a bit hard. Yes, we need order in the assigning of known treatment to come, but I still feel that an assessments should have been made and than assigned to the other hospital or do the procedure. If an assessment was made and the person than send away, one can question the assessment. It is clear that the article, as now standing, gives the impression that the person was turned away without considering that time was limited and that no assessment was made, but I think we need to get more info to know what and how it happened. According to my knowledge mothers gets briefed properly and even gets admitted a day or more before the time. Apparently it is a procedure that gets strictly followed at Tygerberg, but we do not know if the little one was in a hurry, if there were complications that speeds the process and if a 'wrong", if any, assessment was made.

      simba.lumbe - 2012-05-17 17:01

      This Silindile is incorrigible! No one is advocating or prescribing a "free for all" scenario where people just walk into a hospital of their choice off the streets. The outrage here is about bureaucracy being placed above emergency life and death situations! Let's be clear here, people - labour in even the most healthy of pregnancies (mother and child) is a life and death situation until it's OVER! And even thereafter there is a small window of danger, hence the brief detention of both for monitoring and evaluation, etc. The health department doesn't have the most resources in terms of mobility apparati such as ambulances, etc wherein they would have swooped into this lady's home and whisked her away to the so called "right hospital". And for this reason, there is all the more need for public health institutions to be more accommodative of walk-in emergencies that present themselves. OK, had she or the baby died in front of the same hospital that refused her assistance, would we say it's an acceptable loss of life because the paperwork absolves the institution of responsibility to preserve life in this case? No wonder some government departments are the cesspits they are!

      Silindile - 2012-05-17 18:47

      And in the same line of thinking LordLumbe, had she been accepted to deliver in this hospital that was both ill-equipped and improperly staffed to handle her HIGH RISK pregnancy and both mother and baby had died, we would be blaming the hospital. That is why patients are assigned hospitals, to avoid unnecessary deaths and to ensure the best healthcare... There is a follow-up article btw that tells a more complete story.

  • Msika - 2012-05-17 10:19

    This is a joke, right?

  • brionyl.french - 2012-05-17 10:21

    OF COURSE NOT BECAUSE THEY A BUNCH OF USELESS MONEY GRABBERS!!!!

  • les.cunningham1 - 2012-05-17 10:26

    The hippocratic oath seems to have gone out the window a good few years ago.

  • Will - 2012-05-17 10:27

    Ladies help me out here - do babies just 'fall' out ?

      noma.maganga - 2012-05-17 10:42

      No they don't. They are exaggerating to make the story juicier.

      lskosana3 - 2012-05-17 11:06

      Apparently there comes a point in labour when the urge to push becomes overwhelming, like when you have to poop real bad. I'm no expert though, I stand corrected.

      BiancaJadeTissen - 2012-05-17 11:25

      That was my first reaction when I read it- was a bit\stunned\, don't really know what the correct word is..

      Bruce - 2012-05-17 22:24

      I knew a woman who had her second child at home in bed. Her husband woke her to ask her why she was moaning. She hadn't even woken up by herself. By the time he called the doctor and put the kettle on, for the mysterious hot water that is always asked for, the baby was there. So yes, they can come very fast. Recently in my street a baby was born two hours after labour started, and it was a first baby. If she has more children they are likely to be even faster. Sure it's an exception, but not unheard of. And yes, if the urge to push is there, you might get a clip around the ears if you tell the woman not to! A very difficult thing if for some reason the doctor does not want her to push yet>

  • elaine.swart - 2012-05-17 10:27

    At Tygerberg she would probably have had the baby in the waiting rooms. Our hospitals are in a terrible state, and then the Government wants more people to use public health care?

  • Anthony - 2012-05-17 10:36

    What an utterly repulsive and sick society South Africa has become. Women having babies on sidewalks, children getting raped on every corner, people getting murdered for less than a dollar, corrupt cops stealing from and harassing citizens, inadequate service delivery, pathetic standard of education, vast unemployment, disease and let's not forget extreme, violent crime. The list goes on and on and on. South Africa, you're an embarrassment to humanity. What a sick joke this country is. But hey, its always someone else's fault right? Blame Europe, blame the white man, blame Apartheid, blame the media. How about blaming ourselves, all of us. Enjoy your day, if you can live through it.

  • Khetha Hlophe - 2012-05-17 10:37

    She was booked in level3 hospital which deals with complicated issues therefore she was high risk n she knew it.She knew about mode of transport to use during booking. No labour that takes 10 min.She went to midwefery obstetric units where they do not perfom caesarian sections.If she died there, people will also complain.She is to be blamed for this,its her responsibility to follow procedure.Patients know their rights but ignore responsibilities.She must bear the consequences of her actions.

      Silindile - 2012-05-17 10:45

      This woman wasn't turned away, she was just taking chances. Wanting to use the prettier new hospital, when she KNEW it wasn't the one she was told (at every visit) to go to when in labour.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-17 10:54

      Khetha, geez, next you will be blaming her for falling pregnanat.

      Silindile - 2012-05-17 11:00

      Jacqui, patients need to take responsibility for their own health too. You obviously failed to read/understand Khetha's comment.

      Carla - 2012-05-17 11:06

      "No labour that takes 10 min" You'd be surprised. Some births progress extremely fast, especially when it is not the first birth.

      Khetha Hlophe - 2012-05-17 11:32

      If you fall pregnant its your responsibility to follow the proper explained procedure,do antenatal tests,arrange transport,know where to go to know what to bring to the hospital .No precipitate labor that is 10 min even a preterm one no matter u had 7 babies. Know ur rights n responsibilities. Still she is HIGH RISK as she was booked in tertiary hospital. She is to blame.She was not supposed to deliver there but if u take chances u win or loose.

      Carla - 2012-05-17 11:38

      Really? With my second child, I got to hospital and she was born 30 min later. With my 3rd child, I didn't even know I was in labour. I had no labour pains whatsoever. Mother Nature is a wonderful thing and very rarely goes according to plan.

      Khetha Hlophe - 2012-05-17 12:16

      MARNUS and I are saying the same thing but all thumbs are up but with me is a different story. I have noticed the kind of people who comment based on feelings rather than reasons I shall not change its everyone's responsibility to look after themselves,follow proper procedures,know what is offered by their health centres, even the level of care to expect

      Janette - 2012-05-17 13:28

      Really- my first labour from start to finish was 35 mins.no warning. My 2nd labour was all of 20 mins , agian no warning signs (nearly had my son in the car) so don't talk rubbish.

      Ashley - 2012-05-17 14:07

      completely agree

      Khetha Hlophe - 2012-05-17 18:22

      @ Jannet you are high risk youself next time you will give birth when you start to drink tea/juice whatever you know it as she knew it.U need to inform your gynae in order to consider SHIRODCAR suture so that no one can be blamed

      Khetha Hlophe - 2012-05-17 18:22

      @ Jannet you are high risk youself next time you will give birth when you start to drink tea/juice whatever you know it as she knew it.U need to inform your gynae in order to consider SHIRODCAR suture so that no one can be blamed

      Rob - 2012-05-17 19:03

      Silindile's sister no doubt........

  • Lebogang - 2012-05-17 10:37

    Its a system failure. First you put an idiot with 30% matric pass at reception/casualty. Second you dont train the idiot to make intelligent decisions as what is an emergency and what is not. Third, there's no public education as to how the health care system works. Fourth, who goes to one hospital for pre-natal and the other for labour.

  • Dave - 2012-05-17 10:43

    We had better health facilities pre 1994. Its a disgrace what the ANC have done to the health services in this country.

  • Jacqui - 2012-05-17 10:47

    This is what is waiting for us all under the National health disaster they are planning.

  • Ulrica - 2012-05-17 10:52

    Sad Shame this is a disgrace these people are cruel.

  • Marnus - 2012-05-17 11:13

    To give some people a better idea of how the health care system works, or is designed to work. The metro is divided into areas and for each area there is specific hospitals that serve this part of the metro, also these hosp refer patients to specific secondary or tertiary hospitals. You might think a hosp is a hosp and you can go where you want, but there is reasons behind that. Take Tygerberg for instance, there is beds for 1 400 people, that is the max number of patients that can be cared for. Now if every person in Cape Town decides to go to TBH they can't be seen. The same with Khayelitsha, they have space for 300 people. Patients don't get turned away left right and centre, when they first present to a hospital they usually gets seen and then advised on where to go in the future, this woman most likely knew that she had to go to TBH but because she doesn't listen or follow instructions, she still went to the wrong hosp. Now she is playing the victim even though she is the one at fault.

      Carla - 2012-05-17 12:23

      It could very well be that this is her first child, she panicked and opted to go to the closest hospital. At the very least, they could have checked how far along she was. If they had done that, it wouldn't have been necessary for her to give birth on the pavement. Regardless that she went to the wrong hospital, she is still the victim.

      Rob - 2012-05-17 19:11

      Sindi's 'brother' perhaps? Are you a Doctor? Even if there are no 'beds' available, rather give birth in 'sanitary conditions' (if they exist) rather than on the pavement. Could the poor women not have been helped, even if it was in a 'corridor' of the Hospital, then she could have been transpoted to the Hospital she 'should' have been at. You are also a 'idiot'...

  • Candice - 2012-05-17 11:25

    She was about to have a baby for heavens sake!! The mother knew it was an emergency...went to the closest HOSPITAL (a place where you are supposed to be able to go to in a medical emergency)...we are talking about child birth, not just a cut on the knee!! In her situation, I would probably have done the same! There is no excuse!! To send her out and for her to have her baby born on the cement pavement is just wrong!! Oh....and am so sick of the apartheid card being pulled out on every story!...its over-used!! Hope this mum and her new baby are safe and well!

  • Thoko - 2012-05-17 11:32

    Silindile, you will be one the doctors turning away patient. Are you a mother?

      Silindile - 2012-05-17 11:36

      Not sure what my being a mother or not has to do with me knowing how the healthcare system works... Please refer to Marnus' comment below, he does a much better job explaining it than I have done so far.

  • tebogo.moche.3 - 2012-05-17 11:34

    People must get fired! Period!

  • Pretty - 2012-05-17 11:36

    OH silindile , and now the baby has to sufer for this young woman,s action?what if the baby had died?you don,t talk like a woman who knows anything about being in lobour or giving birth, the hospital HAD NO RIGHT WHAT SO EVER to turn away a patient no matter there are regesterd in kzn, they should have just assisted her and the new born, pls talk like a mother unless you not one.

      jackmoz - 2012-05-17 12:12

      @Silindile LOLOL!!!! That's right girl, you protect the industry you are supporting, I say go for it! And when, one day, you are forced by the very system you support, to go and work in some God-forsaken part of our country without basic medicines and staff who don't really give a flying toss whether their patients live or die, THEN perhaps with your additional years of experience you might get the full perspective what the South African Health industry is truly about. @Marnus, one day when your grandmother or mother is ill and you haven't the money to afford private health care, you too will perhaps understand the true perspectives of a poor person in rural or non-rural South Africa to get basic health care in South Africa... Nice white suite in your picture though, are you a male nurse?

      Marnus - 2012-05-17 12:23

      Jackmoz, I am actually working at TBH, and I actually do know quite a bit about public health care and for your information I actually spend loads of time practicing rural medicine so don't have wise remarks about me not understanding what health care is all about. Patients get simple and easy to follow instructions from us and they can't comprehend why the are asked/told to do certain things,and it seems you struggle to understand that as well.

  • Vernon - 2012-05-17 11:41

    @silindile,i h0pe you fail your fourth year OVER and OVER and OVER.chop.

      Silindile - 2012-05-17 11:42

      Very mature.

  • Marriette - 2012-05-17 11:58

    Disgusting... i must say... i thought a hospital is there to help people...the same thing nearly happened to me i was in labour prematurely and my doctor had not booked for me at the hospital so when i went into labour they told me i was not on the system but i told them im not leavn coz my doctor told me i was to deliver there... so they made a few fone calls and i was admitted.... sometimes you need to be agressive inorder to get what you want!!!!

  • jackmoz - 2012-05-17 11:59

    Aaaaah, that's OK then, have the baby outside and THEN get admitted. Thanks for the heads-up.

      Marnus - 2012-05-17 12:33

      I want to give you something to think about. Why do you think we have the problem with HIV/Aids that we have, why is Tb en MDR-Tb the problem that it is? Not because people don't get treated of counseled, but because they don't listen of follow instruction. The don't take their medication, they still sleep around and have sex with whoever. People have a huge responsibility for their own health. Its not just the doctors and nurses who is responsible for health. In an ideal world everybody will be millionaires, everybody will life in a place like Clifton, nobody will be sick, but we don't live in a world like that. SA delivers basic support to people and all that gets asked is for them to follow a few simple instructions, witch they don't.

  • henningjohn.meyer - 2012-05-17 12:01

    Silindile I am glad that you mentioned that you are 4th year which means you haven't done the Hipocratic oath. It clearly states that you are to attempt preserve human life, it does not say I will attempt to preserve human life except if its at the wrong hospital. Secondly how do you know what her doctors orders were? And a goverment health institution is a goverment health institution. As a student you are not yet fully exposed to workings with in a goverment hospital as you still get shielded. And saying that I had psychology as a subject doesn't make me a psychologist. And just before you want to get stuck in to me, I am a qaulified health care proffesional with experience in the goverment set up. Change your mind set because once you qaulify HPCSA will not tolerate such statements about possible patients.

  • Marriette - 2012-05-17 12:02

    and as for Silindile im sure has no kids.... labour is something that can happen for days or minutes so what was she suppose to do if that was the nearest hospital?? deliver in the car?????

  • Rob - 2012-05-17 12:20

    I just cannot wait for NHI.....sooner or later this could be the standard of treatment that everyone has to endure.

  • leann.may.1 - 2012-05-17 12:23

    OMG You Callous B**** Silindile!!!! Will pray to God you are NEVER my doctor as you have NO clue what you are talking about!!!!!!!

  • keith.recore - 2012-05-17 12:48

    What ever happened to good ole common sense? What about it is the "spirit" of the law, not the letter of the law? Obviously this woman was in distress, should have been assesed and the bureaucracy dealt with later. Even if she had been advised where to go earlier, at this particular point, she needed to go to this hospital. As far as patients not following instructions and this seems to be more often than not, perhaps the instructions are not clear enough, need to be revamped so there is a greater compliance. Often patients are overwhelmed with both medical issues, understanding instructions but do not want to appear ignorant, so simply will say they understand. It is up to the professionals to see to it the patient fully understands to get the cooperation they need for proper adherence. In an emergency, common sense, however should prevail, paper work can always follow.

  • Janette - 2012-05-17 13:20

    Silindile-i worked as a student nurse in the 70's and i can tell you that you are talking rubbish about the state of the "Non-white" hospitals. i worked in them, Bara and NEH and they were just better run, cleaner etc. I had the misfortune of a relative having to go to King Edward Hospital and was disgusted by the attitude of the nursing staff, the filth and laziness.

  • Harley - 2012-05-17 13:25

    @Silindile, I wonder if the words "first do no harm" mean anything to you, i shall remember your name and will refuse you as a doctor should i ever have the misfortune of having to seek treatment from you.

      Silindile - 2012-05-17 15:59

      All I am advocating here is that patient's accept a modicum of responsibility for the own healthcare and adhere to instructions given to them by doctors. If you are a person who does not wish to abide by that, then by all means refuse me as a doctor; I do think we would only frustrate one another.

  • nsda29 - 2012-05-17 13:37

    Who's this who keeps on liking Silindile's comments! Shame on you too!

  • nelly.tshabalala.35 - 2012-05-17 14:06

    Wow I am really shocked that a person can be treated in this manner, this is cruelty and its inhuman. Thank God the child survived, nurses at that hospital should be ashamed of themselves. They are a disgrace to the health department and the nursing profession.

  • Israel - 2012-05-17 14:14

    Our government should deal with this case very seriously!!!!!!!!!!This is not the only hospital that has poor services where they are required to treat people. They must as well check the Hospital in Mamelodi (Daga Hospital), they have renovated the hospital but the nurses and doctors are still the same, THEY STILL CONTINUE TO OFFER POOR SERVICES.

  • William - 2012-05-17 14:21

    I think that our health service has sunk to the deepest depths of depravity with this action. And as usual the individuals involved will not be disciplined. Thank god for those of us who are lucky enough to enjoy semi decent health care through the private system. No such luck for millions of our citizens though!!!!

  • earlashley - 2012-05-17 16:47

    "the baby fell onto the cement." the minister, and hospital administration should be ashamed.

  • Barefoot - 2012-05-17 17:15

    To everyone blaming nurses: who runs the hospitals? who decides which patients should be admitted? too bad you don't know how hospitals work, and start pushing the blame on the people you see the most in hospitals

  • Mpotsiseng - 2012-05-17 17:42

    *swear words*

  • Rob - 2012-05-17 18:34

    TO SILINDILE. If she was dying, should she then also have been turned away because she was 'allegedly' at the wrong Hospital? If you are a Nurse, you are a disgrace to your Profession. You are a disgrace anyway for making a statement like you did. Shame on you... What would your reaction have been had the mother and child died during delivery? Would your sentiments still be the same? You are stupid... (was going to say 'sick' but stupid is more to the point)...

  • Rob - 2012-05-17 18:45

    SINDILE. Sorry to have to make yet another comment! After reading other readers observations, I regret to advise you that you have just 'shot yourself in the foot'. After this, and even if you do (and I doubt it) 'graduate'I am sure that no Medical Institution will be prepared to employ you. You have identified yourself along with your sentiments towards 'patient suffering' and care and that certainly will not auger well for your future. Hope to 'hell' that you never, ever practice in this country. Maybe try Zimbabwe (unless you are from there of course)... Maybe you can get a job as a 'car guard' or - Minister of Health. Sorry girl, you just 'blew it'...