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House music, poetry, sangoma for Malema

2011-04-21 10:09

Johannesburg - House music by Professor and poetry by Mzwakhe Mbuli boomed in Pritchard Street, Johannesburg, on Thursday at ANC Youth League president Julius Malema's hate speech case in the South Gauteng High Court.

With traffic markedly thin ahead of the Easter exodus, a group of metro policemen chatted among themselves while waiting for Malema's fans to arrive.

The civil rights group AfriForum and farmer representatives Tau-SA have taken Malema to the Equality Court, sitting in the High Court, over his singing of the lyrics "idhubhula ibhuna", which translate from isiZulu to "shoot the boer".

They believe this threatens Afrikaners and farmers and creates hostility and polarisation in post-apartheid South Africa and want limits placed on where and when it is sung.

Malema and witnesses from the ANC hierarchy believe lyrics such as these formed an integral and galvanising part of their strategy to bring down the apartheid government.

As office workers and the homeless lingered in front of the giant screen feeding coverage from eNews, a familiar face began dancing in front of the court.

Ma Busisiwe Radebe, dressed in ANC branded fabric, rose to prominence during President Jacob Zuma's rape trial.

She was known to burn imphepho - a herbal mixture that evokes ancestral protection - until he was finally acquitted.

AfriForum and Tau-SA supporters are not usually known to gather in large crowds outside such events.

Comments
  • Barry - 2011-04-21 10:21

    I am waiting with baited breath to see the comments on this one. Please bloggers no hate speech today. I forbid the use of the following: darkie, whitey, bushie and so on and so on. Please for today only. Remember for some of us it is Holy week and we need to purge ourselves.

      paulf - 2011-04-21 10:34

      @ Barry, I am in total agreement but can I help you a bit. There should never be the following: darkie, whitey, bushie and so on and so on. In the new Democracy we in we should be uniting together and stand up for our rights and educate the ones that need to be educated. Unity is Strength, lets work together for the better for all.

      daaivark - 2011-04-21 10:40

      I agree on the speech limitations you and paulf suggest. But it should be so all the time. The fact that (for some people) it is a holy time should make no difference.

      Krush - 2011-04-21 11:20

      They make a mockery of the judiciary system, shows you what they think of the law. And they wonder why crime is out of control. A society with no morals. The people in this country lack basic good manners.

      Krush - 2011-04-21 11:20

      They make a mockery of the judiciary system, shows you what they think of the law. And they wonder why crime is out of control. A society with no morals. The people in this country lack basic good manners.

      Sword&Cross - 2011-04-21 11:57

      Malema passed by Rome and popped in for a visit with what he reckons is his compatriot peer, the Pope. The Pope, assuming innocent surprise says to malema "I can with a single wave of my hand make all these many millions of people standing in my front courtyard wave and cheer and cry for me!" malema responds "How - show me?" and the pope gives him such the hardest backhand SLAP.

      De_La_Rey - 2011-04-21 12:11

      What a CIRCUS !!!!!!!

      De_La_Rey - 2011-04-21 12:15

      I think I shall open a KFC franchise near every court room. I'll make a "KILLING"

      REALIST - 2011-04-21 14:17

      de la rey, I found that flag just as insulting as that morons song! you're not helping the debate either... people like you and julius share the same small minded ideologies! it's actually really sad!

      Barry - 2011-04-21 16:33

      My Dear fellow bloggers. I am so proud of you today. I managed to get the first posting by luck and appealed to all of to cut the "darkie, whitey, bushie and so on and so on" thing. I have monitored the site the whole day. Except for a few who found it irresible you have warmed my heart and also the hearts of most bloggers and our audience around the world by not being racist, not swearing, not cussing and by not using derogatory language towards each other and our countrymen. Words that are only unique to our country. (you know what I mean) The whole world has watched as well after the posting. I would like to believe that most of the bloggers on this site are superintellgent. Let us keep up the tempo in the future and I would also like to remind you that when we registered as users we agreed to "abide to the agreement" Let us show our critics in the "civilised" world that as bloggers we are not as illiterate, dumb, ignoble, third world, dull brained, dim witted and racist as some of them would like to believe and think. Again I make an impassioned plea TO ALL to stop the racism and insults toward the different groups in our country on these pages and instead, I encourage all to make a better South Africa work in spite of all our past differences. Thanks Barry P.S. Take it easy, have a good holiday and rest well as I look forward to engaging you the rest of the year.

  • Gorilla - 2011-04-21 10:23

    Banana anyone?

      StoneThrower - 2011-04-21 13:36

      @ THANGY The comments here are very biased and racist as they all try to perpetuate how “inferior” black people are to white people. Racist talk seems compulsive, almost a ritualised event for some white people. The same myths are repeated, the same stereotyping regurgitated over and over again. Through this constant exercise, white identity is illuminated by the opposites identified in black identity: “black equals stupid, lazy, incompetent, dirty, illiterates, useless sheep,” so white is “not” those things. The comments in this forum are one of arrogance and openly displayed pleasure. They seem to be enjoying doing what white people have been doing for a long time – humiliate black people indiscriminately. This compulsive racist bashing is an integral aspect of whiteness as an identity of supremacism. That is where the question comes in: Can racism be taken out of white identity in South Africa? So far, the answer seems mostly “no”. The condition for this new generation is the Internet. No idea why News24 publishes such hateful comments from the Minority, office bound, white collar citizens compared to majority blue collar workers who don’t have the means to defend all this rubbish. If you read all letters, blog and check the views expressed by racists , you will be shocked, the racist attitude and the arrogance is blatant. I’m yet to read a comment from a black calling all DA supporter sheep, stupid, illiterates masses

  • kolobe - 2011-04-21 10:23

    " When I go walking in the shops, white people are always approaching me for photos and autographs,”malema

      Logs01 - 2011-04-21 10:36

      Yip, wild, untamed, out of control animals walking upright in shops, do draw a lot of attention.

      Cupra - 2011-04-21 10:37

      My friend has a monkey, and when he takes him into shops with him, lots of people take photos of it too...

      tut - 2011-04-21 10:39

      Must be the National Geographic in search of an urbanised orang utan photo competition.

      daaivark - 2011-04-21 10:40

      Ja sure. And I'm one of them, lol.

      zumalema - 2011-04-21 10:41

      There are two ways to achieve our aim, one is through dialog, the other is through war and guns: mandela

      zumalema - 2011-04-21 10:42

      I forgot to add: We have chosen the latter: mandela

      Tired - 2011-04-21 10:45

      Probably putting the photo on their dartboard?? lol

      John - 2011-04-21 10:49

      Yup, when I go to the shops, blecks, lepers and beggars approach me for money

      VuyosWors - 2011-04-21 10:50

      Malema can walk? On all fours I presume. He must look like one of those Transkei bush-pigs that scurry in and out of the bush.

      FaxM8 Fax - 2011-04-21 10:58

      Its not eveyrday you see such damb ass that is why

      Noir - 2011-04-21 11:12

      Listening to Malema speak yesterday I couldn't help but agree with most of what he said. No I'm not and ANC member, nor am I an ANCYL member. Judging on just what he said I cant help but agree. Without fail, every day a segment of our nation seem a bit obsessed with this guy. Not for a minute did Malema sound intellectually challenged yet it seems to be common opinion that we are dealing with an idiot of some sorts. Yesterday Malema made critical points which the complainants themselves couldn't box him in on, now this is not work of an intellectually challenged individual. Malema seems anything but stupid as most of you perceive him to be. Further, Malema brought focus on many different issues, something which those of you in this forum are incapable of doing, eg. @Logs01: "Yip, wild, untamed, out of control animals walking upright in shops, do draw a lot of attention." @Cupra: "My friend has a monkey, and when he takes him into shops with him, lots of people take photos of it too..." @tut: "Must be the National Geographic in search of an urbanised orang utan photo competition." and so on... None of you are able to display any form of wit or intellect, instead you have all chosen to play the man instead of the ball. This is the problem. As passionate as you all feel about this song being sung, did any of you listen to the proceedings??? AFRIFORUM ARE NOT AGAINST THE SONG BEING SUNG, THEY ARE MERELY AGAINST THE SONG BEING BY JULIUS MALEMA. Now my question is why single

      Snys - 2011-04-21 11:20

      Ever saw the video of the smoking chimp at the Bloemfontein zoo?

      Krush - 2011-04-21 11:20

      hahahaha@LOGS01

      Krush - 2011-04-21 11:20

      hahahaha@LOGS01

      DW - 2011-04-21 11:26

      Well Kolobe, that would be a total lie. And if you believe that comment, it shows your inability to recognise the difference between a lie and the truth, which would explain why you vote ANC. At most, maybe some journalists would take photos (but would certainly not ask for autographs). Now if he had stated that uneducated, militant black youth asked for his autograph, that I would believe.

      Tobie Alberts - 2011-04-21 11:26

      @Thangy you you ... you must shut up you bloody agent .... Hhahhahaha Intellegent comment ... it was writen by your Malema. Oh p.s I can buy a very good speech to present in court too :)

      kolobe - 2011-04-21 11:26

      Thangy you dont want to be making sense with white bloggers..its a zoo

      Thangy - 2011-04-21 11:27

      PPL, you the comparisons you all make between black ppl and primates is totally disgusting!

      DW - 2011-04-21 11:38

      @ thangy - I havent been following the case in such detail, but it has always been my concern that Afriforum has focussed far too much on the farm murders and the Afrikaners and how they feel threatened. Although this should definitely have been part of their argument, it should not have been the only focus. The fact that this song is NOT one of their freedom songs, was "sung" (chanted) for the first time in 1993 well after Mandela was released and whilst the negotiated settlement was already well under way. It was sung by Peter Mokaba (a PAC member, not ANC) after Chris Hani was murdered by a far right wing member. By this time the majority of whites had long before voted for change. Nelson Mandela stopped the crowd from singing this song at Peter Mokaba's funeral and stated then that it was NOT one of their freedom songs/heritage. These are the arguments that Afriforum should be focussing on in my opinion. It is fairly easy to find an Afrikaner who is not threatened by the song (which the defense has already done) thus weakening the prosecution, even though the majority of whites find it offensive and could well feel threatened. Malema has been well coached by his many attorneys as to what to say and what not to say on the stand.

      Jacques Jones - 2011-04-21 12:02

      @Thangy you are absolutly right, insulting all black ppl is a disgrace as there should be no colour involved in our discussions. on the matter of julius the reason ppl want to stop him from singing that song is because of the amount of influence he wields and unfortunately(please forgive me) some of the rural black ppl dont know any better and takes what he says very very literal. no one in a position should be singing a song intended to kill anyone historical or not history belongs to the past and as such it should stay there now i'm not saying forget the wrong doings but do not let it become our future.

      Logs01 - 2011-04-21 12:31

      @Thangy, I referred to Malema and some of his stupid followers, who has the same stupid arrogance. You find these people in any Race, pity for you and Black people in general that Malema portrays an image which surely is not flattering to Blacks in general. You voted him in, keep him in that posision and should not complain when the world views the people Malema represents, the same as him. He is a stupid fool and stays a stupid fool. Sad that he drags all Black people's name and image through the mud !!!

      StoneThrower - 2011-04-21 13:53

      @ THANGY The comments here are very biased and racist as they all try to perpetuate how “inferior” black people are to white people. Racist talk seems compulsive, almost a ritualised event for some white people. The same myths are repeated, the same stereotyping regurgitated over and over again. Through this constant exercise, white identity is illuminated by the opposites identified in black identity: “black equals stupid, lazy, incompetent, dirty, illiterates, useless sheep,” so white is “not” those things. The comments in this forum are one of arrogance and openly displayed pleasure. They seem to be enjoying doing what white people have been doing for a long time – humiliate black people indiscriminately. This compulsive racist bashing is an integral aspect of whiteness as an identity of supremacism. That is where the question comes in: Can racism be taken out of white identity in South Africa? So far, the answer seems mostly “no”. The condition for this new generation is the Internet. No idea why News24 publishes such hateful comments from the Minority, office bound, white collar citizens compared to majority blue collar workers who don’t have the means to defend all this rubbish. If you read all letters, blog and check the views expressed by racists , you will be shocked, the racist attitude and the arrogance is blatant. I’m yet to read a comment from a black calling all DA supporter sheep, stupid, illiterates masses

      Podgette - 2011-04-21 15:03

      Serious dillusions of granduer Mr Malema. I doubt he does his own shopping anyway

      Thangy - 2011-04-21 15:26

      @Logs01 "pity for you and Black people in general that Malema portrays an image which surely is not flattering to Blacks in general" Dude how on earth can an individual's opinion reflect that of millions of others merely by that individual sharing the same skin tone to those millions of ppl?? Do you not see just how ignorant your reasoning is?? (Malema is black, Maleme is stupid therefore all black ppl are stupid) Cummon!! If you are indeed soooo wise, sooooo superior, how on earth can you come to the above conclusion with all your wisdom and superiority??

      Thangy - 2011-04-21 15:28

      @StoneThrower 100% in agreement, not all white ppl are like this though, sadly they are in the extreme minority

  • IandI - 2011-04-21 10:24

    So the circus is in full swing then? Throw in a polar bear riding a bicycle and you have the Randshow, for free:-)

      Gatvol - 2011-04-21 12:21

      Isn't it funny, and the Afriforum guys was accused of wanting to be in the limelight? The ANC is putting on quite a show for the cameras!

  • TheAncEasterBunnie - 2011-04-21 10:25

    In Style my chief.... it is time to party your victory in court with some soulful house music... the party awaits you Future President.... You are the man... your victory will make you more powerful than Madiba.... you will be the most powerful man in africa very soon you will be unstopable.... afri forum have messed up big time here they look like monkey in suits now they look very stupid because they have only succeeded in making you more popular and more powerful than ever before... We salute you chief....

      Spoofed - 2011-04-21 10:31

      i am going to laugh so much when you swallow your words.. The jokes on you FOOL

      Smaal - 2011-04-21 10:33

      You’re supposed to burn imphepho not smoke it!

      nesquik458 - 2011-04-21 10:37

      Did the ANC give you your washing machine yet? Or are you trying to get a free T-Shirt?

      Tired - 2011-04-21 10:47

      Shame looking at this guys picture it looks like he escaped from somewhere??? Are you familiar with houses with green roofs? lol

      African'shtr - 2011-04-21 10:53

      Uzimpundu ze hashe The AncEASterbullSh++t you donkey

      MJ77 - 2011-04-21 11:01

      The missing link...Professor Tobias, it has been found!!!!!!!

      DarkAngel - 2011-04-21 11:01

      Chief???? Chief of WHAT? Must be Chief of FOOLS!!!

      SeanJ - 2011-04-21 11:05

      u wanna suck his d*ck aswell?

      system.reset1 - 2011-04-21 11:12

      @AncEasterWhatever I see white people have bought Internet connections to the bush now as well. Amazing what we can do hey

      Tobie Alberts - 2011-04-21 11:22

      Hahhahahah you bloody agent !!!

      Kpt_Keyboard - 2011-04-21 11:39

      shame bunny, ur a lost soul... u obviously didnt put any thought into ur comment! u will all fall by the hand of ur leader!!! apartheid is long gone, but it still lives in ur heart! you choose your own fait... the world knows malema is a 1 man circus, the sad part is what u think is totaly wrong. u should be ashamed of urself comparing madiba with malema! malema is not worthy of saying madiba's name!!!

      Michael - 2011-04-21 11:59

      Good trolling. To all you gullable douchebags, i am dissapoint. You clearly do not know the art of trolling. shame

      Jacques Jones - 2011-04-21 12:38

      so you like the whitemans music? soulfull you called it

      StoneThrower - 2011-04-21 13:57

      @Spoofed - we are still waiting for you to laugh for the SWC failure? wasnt it your ilk that said they will have the last laugh! the same that said the 1994 elections will never happen, the same that still say RSA is going down the drain - and its been 17 years, we a member of the G20, EU, AU, UN, BRICS etc and yet we are the so called "laughing stock"

      umlaut - 2011-04-21 14:38

      You see what's happened, your "future president" has messed up your brain with that hate song. Its the only basic pre stone age logic you can grasp-kill whites. Don't you want to fit into a modern world where you can build a future like M L King had about his dream. What is going to happen after you wiped out all the whites here?------wait for more whites to disembark from the airoplane at Oliver Stumble airport and that you can kill some more?? OR you are actually a whitey that pretends to be a crazy blackie and writing all of these messed up ideas, joking with us???.

  • Terence - 2011-04-21 10:31

    LOL! office workers and homeless people! *falls down laughing* Your great leader sure attracts some quality followers hey TheANCeasterbunny! I'm sure , judging by your arrogant and naive comment , that you fit right in hahaha

  • tut - 2011-04-21 10:34

    Malema is fast becoming the " African" version of Humpty Dumpty. The whole matter is a political nursery rhyme played out by 2nd rate diliquent youths while all the ANC Kings horses and men have rotten egg on their faces. What a joke!

  • Welleducated - 2011-04-21 10:37

    Ma Busisiwe Radebe is burning in hell along with rapists & killers because what she is protecting is evil.

      daaivark - 2011-04-21 10:43

      Hey Ma, I burn mphepho too, from time to time. Works wonders at controlling insects in the house.

      Currie_Mafia - 2011-04-21 12:14

      I burned mphepho for the Proteas...they Choked on the smoke... :(

  • daaivark - 2011-04-21 10:38

    Anyone thinking what I'm thinking: Empty vessels, etc.?

      paulf - 2011-04-21 10:40

      @daaivark, are you HB from Witbank?

      daaivark - 2011-04-21 12:08

      Nope. I am daaivark from Cape Town. Why would I have another handle?

  • Helen - 2011-04-21 10:39

    Mmmm wondering if there is pap and wors....

      MJ77 - 2011-04-21 11:03

      No, souchi and naked women.

      MadMatt_88 - 2011-04-21 12:01

      Nope. Buckets of KFC.

      daaivark - 2011-04-21 12:09

      Umm. Sushi, MJ77.

      anna - 2011-04-21 12:36

      NO! There's Nando's!

      umlaut - 2011-04-21 14:16

      mmm-slap chips -there must definately be slap chips

  • don fillipe - 2011-04-21 10:45

    ... and belly dancers. The fiasco outside the courtroom makes me think of a dirty orgy where everyone is high and the the juices of illogic flow on the streets. Then, the SAPS mounted unit begins slipping all over the show and a horse brakes its hip - it's beautiful and cultured out there, no doubt about tit!

  • waine - 2011-04-21 10:46

    Malema, please have some Special K for breakfast before you sing, you are a special K now...

  • Airwolf - 2011-04-21 10:48

    It sounds like a mad hatters tea tea party.

  • Airwolf - 2011-04-21 10:48

    It sounds like a mad hatters tea tea party.

      anna - 2011-04-21 12:38

      If only it was tea ...

  • Raygunwatson - 2011-04-21 10:49

    I think if Malema ever becomes president and he tries to take a farm away from a real brandewyn boere oompie in vryburg , he is gonna need a sh#tload more than some idiot burning herbs for him , can ancestors stop bullets? I don't think so wena.

  • Daniel Jones - 2011-04-21 10:49

    This will be the best outcome for everyone: Malema found guilty and punished with which ever way (we all know the singing wont stop but he would be embarrassed), then for the media to completely black him and the rest of the ANCYL out, completely, so no more platform. This whole circus will then eventually die down, making the ANC red faced.

  • Misha - 2011-04-21 10:51

    No wonder we are still in the same postition we were a few years ago, even worse now i think! Why can we just not leave each other alone and just carry on with our lives. It is not even worth getting worked up about anymore!! Adapt or get out!

  • VuyosWors - 2011-04-21 10:51

    Sangomas, ancestors? What primitive savages. We should never have tried to civilise them.

      mikedek - 2011-04-21 11:07

      Do not think that they are! This being the basic problem and it is infesting the whole of the world.A simple interpretation of "civilization" An advanced state of cultural and material development in human society, marked by political and social complexity and progress in the arts and sciences.You will note that this bunch miss this interpretation in all aspects.

      Katar - 2011-04-21 12:32

      yeah you shouldn't have@VuyosWors, This is how we repay you? well get used to it, Truth is Malema is the "saviour", and the masses will sing along, get scared,

  • FaxM8 Fax - 2011-04-21 10:57

    Afriforum and their supporters are at work generating tax money for the zoo afrika

  • DarkAngel - 2011-04-21 10:58

    Dont these people work or have to be at school??? Just shows you who Julias's supporters are....

  • Kakabooi - 2011-04-21 11:04

    Ancestral protection? HU? Malema is according to info on the internet a (Ba)Pedi. Why does he sing something in Zulu then? And then attempt to translate it according to his "understanding"? According to Wikipedia: "He completed his secondary school education at the age of 21, after failing two grades" According to info available for a certian Julias Sello Malema, he achieved and E for Sepedi and Afrikaans, which means he is linguistically "questionable". One has little choice but to question his linguistic and associated reasoning ability and what his role in society is currently, in light of the controversy he is stirring. If all the info is correct, then Malema had no formal training in Zulu. I wonder if the advocates thought of testing such competence in light of this case?

      Currie_Mafia - 2011-04-21 11:14

      and they call him a Leader....lol. Stupidity is the cANCer that ravaged this (dis)organisation.

      Mabunu Tubatse - 2011-04-21 11:45

      You are spending too much time on irelevant info while Juju is informing country policies challenges. Juju is advocating against people like you who are destructive when the nation is battling with serious challenges. Tell us something about how land should be distributed to the poor. How economic freedom should be attained. Soon you'll realise that you are nothing and you represent stupidity as oppose to juju.

      Gatvol - 2011-04-21 12:43

      Mabuhnu, Malema was extremely impressed with Mugabe's land distribution methods when he visited Zimbabwe. It seems like he regards Mugabe as a role model. Malema is definitely not qualified to deal with land reform issues, root out corruption, uplifting the poor etc. All he knows is stuffing his own pockets, and shooting off his mouth

      Kakabooi - 2011-04-21 12:56

      Mabunu. That's why you attack people like me with songs that are irresponsible. You underestimate relevance and select to follow struggler leaders such as "Juju". I pay taxes for the government to attend to the poor, so don't try to lecture me about the "poor". Your "leaders" with "irrelevant" credentials in government, waste the taxes on irrelevant issues, thus the same money I contribute to the poor. How much did your "leader" give to Cuba a few weeks ago? BILLIONS. How much does this court case cost? etc etc. Much "irrelevant" money is wasted by your choice of leaders. I contribute to the plight of the poor and your leaders channel the money somewhere else. I suppose the analysis of the situation for the poor is also irrelevant hey? Now land distribution is easy. Go north across the Limpopo and join another irrelevant "leader" for your free ground. Take Juju with. Bye!

  • Currie_Mafia - 2011-04-21 11:11

    Don't these people work..or are they employed by the ANC for circu(s)lating around the courts for their neverending cases ? Seems like a big easter party...

  • arturo - 2011-04-21 11:22

    Don't these peasants work? What a contribution to our society they make.

  • Fracker - 2011-04-21 13:02

    Pity there is not an assassin out the courtb as well

  • Fracker - 2011-04-21 13:03

    Pity there is not an assassin out the courtb as well

  • Fracker - 2011-04-21 13:04

    Pity there is not an assassin outside of the court as well

  • mike - 2011-04-21 13:30

    if you are sick & Tired of Malema & friends...join the face group group called 'The May 1st South African Uprising' to put an end once & 4all to this madness...

  • mike - 2011-04-21 13:30

    if you are sick & Tired of Malema & friends...join the face group group called 'The May 1st South African Uprising' to put an end once & 4all to this madness...

  • Wils - 2011-04-21 13:42

    Malema at the mature age of 13, armed with a 9mm pistol explains a lot!!! Malema at the age of 30 surrounded by thugs with machine guns doesn't seem to have matured much since then!!! ANC youth league hijacked by a bunch of bullies and thugs!!! Surely the youth deserve better than a bunch of old immature men representing them? Nothing wrong with song only with Malema!

  • Lilly - 2011-04-21 14:23

    When is it gonna be over. I sugget both parties leard to compromise i understande that whites are intimedated by the song and blakies want to hold on an to their slogan as is history but pointing fingers is not a solution. I dont wish to see our country back to were it was during mzabalazo.

  • Podgette - 2011-04-21 14:59

    Must be a real circus, with the chimps as the ringmasters.

      Francois B - 2011-04-21 15:22

      Feed them bananas!

  • sibongile.khumalo - 2011-04-21 15:15

    @Logs01 whatchu talkin' about "Malema drags all Black people's name and image through the mud"? If this is anything to go by, Steve Hofmeyer's ignorance should well reflect on you and yours!

  • jipee - 2011-04-21 17:26

    I also know a historical Afrikaans song in which we used to change the words according to the occasion. On this occasion I would sing it like this: Siembamba, Malema's a boykie, draai sy nek om gooi hom in die sloot, trap op sy kop dan is hy dood.

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