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I never meant to hurt anyone - artist

2012-05-22 07:22

Cape Town - Cape Town artist Brett Murray says his artwork depicting President Jacob Zuma with his genitals exposed was never meant to hurt anyone, the Cape Times reported on Tuesday.

"I never intended the artwork to cause any hurt or to harm the dignity of any person," he said in a responding affidavit to Zuma's court application to have the Goodman Gallery in Johannesburg take the painting down.

His work was "an attempt at humorous satire of political power and patriarchy within the context of other artworks in the exhibition and within the broader context of South African discourse".

He added that during apartheid he had created satirical images which attacked abuses of power. He reportedly said he had used, and would continue to use, symbols with sexual connotations representative of political power and patriarchy.

The African National Congress would approach the South Gauteng High Court in Johannesburg on Tuesday to try and stop the gallery from displaying the 1.85m-high painting titled The Spear, and City Press from carrying a photo of it on its website.

The painting is part of Cape Town artist Brett Murray's Hail to the Thief II exhibition at the gallery.

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Comments
  • Wimpy - 2012-05-22 07:30

    no lorain its the home of choice.

      Frank - 2012-05-22 08:18

      For Lorain I have but one comment, racism is in the eye of the beholder and looking at you fixation on Big Brother, your (be)holder is running on empty. Get a life!!!!

      Pierre - 2012-05-22 10:15

      Common people, be reasonable. A painting like this is clearly not on. This guy claimed he painted “satirical” images criticizing Apartheid. Did he paint PW with his pants down? No he did not. How would you have felt if he did make a similar painting of PW?

      Anthony - 2012-05-22 10:47

      @Pierre, PW did not have his pants down, unlike zamu. I wont talk about the amount of wifes he has, I wont talk about the number of women he slept with or forced him self on, BUT we can talk about the way he IS raping our country....

      Pierre - 2012-05-22 11:23

      @ Anthony - You seem a bit hypocritical. Did you imply that PW did not rape the country?

      Pierre - 2012-05-22 11:28

      @ Anthony - You seem a bit hypocritical. Did you imply that PW did not rape the country? But my comment was not who did what. Such a painting is just not acceptable, irrelevant of one’s political opinions or side.

      Frank - 2012-05-22 12:51

      Pierre - May 22, 2012 at 10:15 This idiot Zoomer brought this on to himself! How could you demand respect when you are acting like a Duracell bunny at the age of 70? This coupled with his stealing, corruption and cronyism, what does he expect?

      Kirsten - 2012-05-22 14:34

      PW is just a white Zuma (with less wives and no rape charges against him)

      colin.dovey - 2012-05-22 22:15

      Whether we like it or not, Brett Murray's work has become like an elephant in the room - there was a time, fairly recently, when it seemed as though people were just starting to realise that the ANC are messing up....and then THIS huge elephant came and dropped a turd....of COURSE it was going to cause offence....one can compare the norms and liberalism that is now entrenched in Western societies, but WE are still to work our way through this, and quite frankly, THIS is crude - if it was subtle, then we could ALL laugh......Zapiro pushes the boundaries in the name of satire.....TRUE satire says one thing but implies the opposite.....did THIS crudity meet that yardstick? I don't think so...and we would acknowledge that, ESPECIALLY in today's South Africa, where RACE relationships are NOT in the top league. There are MUCH more clever ways of winning people to a point of view, and THIS was not the way...yet....he (Zuma) was messing up enough without a childish attempt at painting in the name of art - this now just gives him ammunition against his detractors.

      Paul - 2012-05-23 08:15

      Brett Murray you are lying! How could you not think that your painting would not be offensive to Zuma and his supporters?

  • Koos - 2012-05-22 07:31

    Daar is 'n gesegde: As die skoen pas trek dit aan. Tyd dat Spies bietjie selfondersoek doen.

      Koos - 2012-05-22 07:42

      It says Zuma is a dickTATOR. Better?

      mulzar - 2012-05-22 07:46

      @busisiwe: Take your private schooling and your stupid Apartheid comment and shove it!

      Koos - 2012-05-22 07:49

      Forget her. She is a grant recipiant.

      MSGRule - 2012-05-22 07:52

      @busiswe - is the Afrikaans apartheid language. Are you serious. Stop speaking british then.

      Koos - 2012-05-22 07:58

      Your grandma had more class then you. The only reason You have a BTech is because they had to lift the marks for you to pass. Good luck

      busisiwe.mahlangu.37 - 2012-05-22 08:02

      lmbao @ peter I can speak and afrikaans perfectly I just use english most mense understand it I guess private school n Mr Van der Merwe helped me in that department

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-22 08:07

      u guys cannot help yourselves from entertaining your racial hatred.

      busisiwe.mahlangu.37 - 2012-05-22 08:08

      Sorry @ Koos they don't do that at TUKS/ University of Pretoria n talk about class wow she did I agree but I can't say the same about yours

      Peter - 2012-05-22 08:10

      @busisiwe.mahlangu.37 - "lmbao", "I can speak and afrikaans perfectly"? Anyway so your argument is its an English forum yet you use your native language in your comments? Double standards much?

      busisiwe.mahlangu.37 - 2012-05-22 08:14

      @ typeRSA so I'm stupid thank you I really like the fact that u think I can't read and understand afrikaans enjoy your day

      busisiwe.mahlangu.37 - 2012-05-22 08:18

      @ peter a simple typing error I meant ' I can speak and write afrikaans perfectly' enjoy your day I have work to do

      Felix - 2012-05-22 08:21

      Anyone here need some salt and vinegar for the chips on their shoulders?

      Sekalf - 2012-05-22 08:33

      ha ha ha Busisiwe - learn English before you are trying to tell us something !

      Peter - 2012-05-22 08:44

      @Felix... couldn't have said it better. The stupidity from both idiots is overwhelming.

      Sean - 2012-05-22 10:20

      @busisiwe.mahlangu.37- Mentality of a 6 year old !!

      mmamoraker - 2012-05-22 11:20

      Hayi Busisiwe, uyasihlaza bo sisi (you are embarrassing us). Stop telling people you went to a private school when you cannot punctuate, you are exposing yourself. Your English doesn't sound like that of an individual who attended a private and that's OK sisi. Be good sisi and read more books.

      Karen - 2012-05-22 11:31

      @busisiwe: You say "my white manager is asking me how to do her job no degree no matric". Please tell me where you work. I'd love to know where a white person can get a job easily with no skills AND become a manager over an educated black person such as yourself, in this day and age. BS!

  • MarkSchrade1980 - 2012-05-22 07:32

    Are we still going on about this lame story???? Enough already!!!!!

      Mncedisi - 2012-05-22 09:45

      Peter - no matter what do you say or who says what the painting was done within the framework of racism. Look! have you ever seen a white president painted with his private parts exposed? other than our black president JZ. Be focussed and organised your self before you start comment. Thank you

      Anthony - 2012-05-22 10:59

      @Mncedisi, so you saying he is not a dick?

  • Koos - 2012-05-22 07:33

    You didn't hurt anyone. Your not the first to depict Zuma like that. Your just the first white guy and that is what the ANC don't like, a white guy speaking (or showing) the truth. The truth is like arsenic to the ANC and being white just make it a double dose.

      Koos - 2012-05-22 07:34

      1000 thumbs up !!

      MSGRule - 2012-05-22 07:54

      Like anyone no one likes to be pointed on their faults and that is all this is. Angry now.

      Peter - 2012-05-22 08:05

      @Koos - Ayanda Mabulu is the black artist that did it. Its so sad that 18 years people are still playing the victim card, 80% of the population is still afraid of 9%. Its a battle of intellectuals vs the emotional, unfortunately in SA the majority think with emotion instead of logic

      Raymond - 2012-05-22 08:08

      He just exposed a member of parliament.

      Juan - 2012-05-22 08:43

      Why do you think the ANC turned this into a racist issue? Yes you guessed it; it was a white guy that did the painting. A black artist did a very similar painting a while ago with Zuma and Tutu's genitals exposed but not a word was hear about it from the ANC. Go figure

  • janis.moolman - 2012-05-22 07:34

    Racism o please to comparison to the Zuma painting, is this is not controversial... ? (The 2010 Ayanda Mabulu painting)YOU DONT KNOW WHAT IS RACISM !!

  • caroline.sillman - 2012-05-22 07:37

    When I hear this statement from Brett Murray, I take back anything I said about his courage. The kind of statement his painting wants to make is about a deep disappointment South Africans feel about how their dream of freedom is turning out in the hands of those who are in the offices of governance. That is a "high ideal" statement to make. Brett - don't back down from your high ideal. Engaging in the political arena is an act of war for an artist. As soon as he understands that, his work will become meaningful. Until then it is an act of onanism that just happens to resonate the deep feelings of hundreds of thousands of people in SA. If you express an opinion in the public arena, it had better be worth defending - otherwise you're just another white-wine liberal. Apologists not accepted.

      Dumisani - 2012-05-22 07:44

      We have tried by all means to accomodate some of the whites especially in Cape Town but racism its their priority. Its a pitty cause we are talking with people who don't have culture, no respect.

      Tony Lapson - 2012-05-22 07:52

      @Dumisami That isn't the truth at all... Majority of whites aren't racist. Its always the idiots who express themselves the loudest. If you want to generalize and incite hatred towards other human beings, then you, sir, are part of the overall problem.

      Peter - 2012-05-22 07:55

      @Dumisani - Yea we should just take all our technology and knowledge back to our uncultured european countries hey? What would you be left with then? Oh right... nothing but the clothes on your back. You are doing nothing to acommodate anyone, you are just inciting racism and playing the victim card as if its your birth given right. Please grow up and do something constructive for yourself for once in your life

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-22 08:18

      @caroline, fair comment. @peter, you will only take what you brought and my memory tells me you brought nothing but your racist colonozers who exploited this land and our poeple. so be my guest, get on that ship and head back to your hole.

      Peter - 2012-05-22 08:34

      @siyadyosiba - Your double standards only prove to us how uneducated you really are

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-22 08:42

      @peter, whether I'm educated or not is none of your business. just accept the fact that you brought nothing here and when you live you won't take naything with you. the infrastructure that you see here belongs to to South Africans not some few racists who think they have done this country a favor. I still say, if you wanna leave, just pack your small bag and leave, we wont miss you.

      Peter - 2012-05-22 08:51

      @siyadyosiba - Ill accept the fact when you accept you are completely wrong and you are just as racist as you "claim" i am. Nothing i said was without truth. Also not once did i say the infrastructure wasnt for the people of SA and also you dont deny that you use double standards, you are guilty if not more guilty than anyone else of being racist.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-22 09:20

      @peter, let me tell something about me, I'm not blinded by racism like many of the white people in this forum who fool themselves and think whites made this country a favour and saved it. I chose not to be racist because I wanted not to be, at any time I can choose to be racist when I want to. I hate selfish racist white people who are still crying for the lost fortunes of apartheid and still think when we redress the ills of the past, we have to be apologetic if the implications are adverse to the minority. The point here is about you saying, “Yea we should just take all our technology and knowledge back to our uncultured european countries hey?” I am saying your assertion that you brought these here is flawed, these things were built here in SA by South Africans not Europeans, using SA resources, resources that you found here when you arrived here. That is my point, let’s not divert.

      Byron - 2012-05-22 10:25

      lol - gotta love how humans love to piggy back off the hard work of individuals and attribute that to the collective - my technology! my wheel! mine mine mine! it's awwwwwlllll miiiiiiine *evil laugh* bwahahahahahahaha *cough* *cough* *wheeze*

      Derek - 2012-05-22 10:44

      Great exhibition Brett. You have struck a serious nerve by, through satire, depicting the ANC as they now represent themselves! To those who call it racism if the exhibition can prick the conscience of the thieves within the ANC and get them to front up it will be to the benefit of all and largely "black" South Africans who so desperately need to have their lives improved. Is he just not saying what so many of of all races think about the current government?

  • Mupengo - 2012-05-22 07:37

    well you did

      Koos - 2012-05-22 07:44

      Rename a bridge and get over it as building something is beyond you.

      Eva - 2012-05-22 08:35

      Cry me a f***ing river!!! Get over yourselves!!! That chip on your shoulder's so big you lost the capability to THINK for a second!!!

      Peter - 2012-05-22 08:41

      @Eva - Its also so heavy they cant "Stand" up in an intellectual debate lol lol

  • Stephen - 2012-05-22 07:38

    There is no need to apologise or regret Brett. Zuma is the one who should be apologising to all of us for his buffoon ANC Govt. running this country into the ground............bottom line.

      shongwepatrick - 2012-05-22 07:41

      @steven if u do know what to say rather keep quiet you idiot!

      Koos - 2012-05-22 07:50

      You missed the NOT : if you do NOT know what to say rather keep quiet you idiot!

      Melusi - 2012-05-22 08:16

      Vote ur Helen to power if want a change of govt. With this attitude libala

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-22 08:20

      @koos, hahahahaha. what if he meant what he said exactly the way it is?:)

      Peter - 2012-05-22 08:37

      @siyadyosiba - then shongwepatrick doesnt make logical sense. Hes saying Shutup if you know what your are talking about. Dont know what school you went to siya but that is called a contradiction

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-22 08:40

      """ RUNNING THIS COUNTRY INTO THE GROUND""" Not from my new RDP home and the school my kids are attending..... What's up Steve ?????

      Schmee - 2012-05-22 08:46

      Bwah ha ha ha epic fail shongwepatrick. Whose the idiot now? You should have kept quiet.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-22 08:54

      @peter, you are a very educated man with a very high level of intellect. Now tell me, what does :) mean when its placed at the end of a sentence?. I like people who like pointing fingers. HAHAHAHAHA

      Peter - 2012-05-22 08:57

      @Tamaranui - So your kids attend a nice school and you have housing, so what you say screw everyone else, you forget how many people are dying in hospitals because this might ANC of yours isnt providing healthcare for them, there are kids without books for this year even today. But oh no thats not true my kids have books. There are strikes by black people every second day due to service delivery. All you have proven is your a selfish racist

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-22 09:18

      Peter, I am not the only one , I am surrounded by the Liberated whom now lead lives of significance and our kids now have the facilities to become all that they want to be....Thanks.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-22 09:23

      @peter, you have not answered my question in my previous response to your comment.

      Peter - 2012-05-22 09:25

      @siyadyosiba - a smiley is not the sign of an intellectual

      Peter - 2012-05-22 09:27

      @Tamaranui - And again your selfishness shines through, oh wait i know the schools in limpopo and eastern cape are all owned by whites who are stopping the supply of books. And the hostpitals must be run by white people too because they keep medicine that expired years ago. please continue i would love to hear more liberation stories

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-22 09:34

      @peter, hahahahahaha....u are definitely lost. its fine. thanks anyway. HAHAHAHAHAHA

  • Pixie86 - 2012-05-22 07:38

    oh, i don't know. If i drew a picture of some man with his junk hanging out and call it the spear my intentions would be to hurt someone. No use acting a victim now. His try at political satyr failed. It was not necessary at all.

      Jason - 2012-05-22 08:07

      i think if you manage to tear your eyes away from the junk and look at the intention of the painting you may come up with a different interpretation. political satyr fails when ppl dont take notice nor realize the meaning, not sure that occurred here. necessary, all that is necessary in art is the barest minimum depiction to convey a message, and here we are, talking about its message.

      Melusi - 2012-05-22 08:11

      Provided such picture has no face of anyone

      LoveFirefly - 2012-05-22 10:21

      He hasn't failed at all, never heard of Brett Murray before this and now he is well known. He is getting all the free publicity he wanted and becoming well know for his work - don't see this as a failure at all. As far as it being necessary, a lot of things aren't necessary like us paying healthcare due to the government not providing, us paying etolls becaue of governments failure and mess up. How about children not getting their school books from the government so they can get an education or renovating your house to the value of R64 million.....a lot of these things aren't necessary but government still do it. Brett Murray is an artist, give him credit for him just doing his job.

      Pixie86 - 2012-05-22 10:26

      oh, i don't know jason, i'm human. If you drew a pic with someone's junk hanging out that's what would catch my attention. I wouldn't bother looking for a deeper meaning.

      Byron - 2012-05-22 10:28

      if the intention of the painting was to draw your eyes away from the flaccid penis, then well ... uhm ... oh never mind

      Jason - 2012-05-22 10:59

      Pixie - fortunately some of us are not drawn to every penis our eyes come across. most of us when looking at a painting of a naked women are not staring at the meat but more at the meaning.

      monkinsane - 2012-05-22 12:51

      Pixie you should've been looking at the marxist Lennin pose - depicting the fact that the current government is more of a dictatorship than a democracy, the penis is a reference to how Zuma & Co is raping the country as well as his inability to keep it in his pants.

      Pixie86 - 2012-05-22 18:17

      but jason, some of us aren't art analyst. We won't automatically think poverty, crime, fraud and education just by looking at a painting of some man with glasses and his junk out. What we see is a man with glasses and his junk out. However, i do hate that this has been turned into a race issue. A dignity issue, yes, but not a race issue. Maybe next time brett could show some buttocks and you analyst will tell us what it stands for.

      Pixie86 - 2012-05-22 18:21

      @monkinsane, i do beg to differ. If this was a dictatorship poor brett would have already been rotting in some dark cell somewhere. He will get away with this on the basis of what our constitution states as his freedom of speech. Countries run by dictators have no freedom of speech. Let us not get emotional now.

  • David - 2012-05-22 07:39

    The reaction of JZ & Co to the painting will probably make Brett Murray as famous as Picasso/Rembrandt worldwide. Thanks guys..for free publicity.

      Byron - 2012-05-22 10:29

      excuse the *F* out of me ... Picasso? Rembrandt? Are you on medication?

  • ndyeboreginaldmazawule - 2012-05-22 07:39

    Well if artists are nt free in country hw is ths freedom of speech applied nd why does it have limitation? Please ANC maan, people r pulling th race card again now heh.

      Jason - 2012-05-22 08:04

      wish your sentiment was absorbed by everyone. freedom of expression with limitations is not freedom.

      Jean - 2012-05-22 08:05

      What's democratic about painting someone's genitals?! It may be the truth but he has rights (and trust me I hate saying it), so anyone can paint a picture and expose the person's whatever and the person who's it about has no right to feel offended. Stop seeing this as zuma thing and be fair! You people argue like anc supporters, double standards!

      Melusi - 2012-05-22 08:07

      Its applied by not infringing on other peoples rights, dignity, moral and cultural values. Homosexuals have rights so are polygamist

      Jason - 2012-05-22 08:17

      I think that when someone enters the public domain their rights are already infringed.

      sechaba.lenong - 2012-05-22 09:46

      Freedom of speech has limitations according to the Constitution. This is because as much as you are free to express yourself, your views should not damage another persons freedom practise their culture or cause hate speech. An example will be Malema singing "Kill the boer" song. His freedom of expression was causing hate speech so he was forced to refrain from using it. Depicting someone genitals in a painting is somehow demeaning.

      Jason - 2012-05-22 11:05

      Sechaba - i think your comment is fitting and addresses my focal point. i look at it purely like art and not as an attack upon the president of the country. i think malema's kill the boer song was more about inciting hate speech and when placed in context with farm killings was causing rifts in the country. i am aware of rifts that are being caused by the painting so you could very well be right in your summary of its demeaning nature.

  • Whispers4life - 2012-05-22 07:39

    This is so stupid, if you don't like the art work DON'T LOOK AT IT!! ffs

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-22 08:26

      that's very smart of you. u may take your clothes off in front of me i wont look. HAHAHAHAHA

      Schmee - 2012-05-22 08:49

      Siyadyosiba, she said that if you don't like it don't look. Doh. Now please keep your pants zipped up.

      Peter - 2012-05-22 09:00

      @siyadyosiba - what are you mumbling on about? We dont need to know that your horny stay on topic

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-22 09:25

      @peter and schemme, u guys are just jokes. swaying with the wind HAHAHAHAHA

      Byron - 2012-05-22 10:31

      lol - I'll look

  • adrian.boulle - 2012-05-22 07:40

    Maybe the ANC is upset because the genitals depicted are not big enough?

      Peter - 2012-05-22 09:01

      @Tamaranui - You dont get the point either, Do you???

  • Piet - 2012-05-22 07:41

    THE TRUTH HURTS...

  • Pixie86 - 2012-05-22 07:42

    i just wonder if it had been a pic of old hellen sitting in a toilet with her brookies around her ankles would most of these commentators be for the painting or against?

      Jason - 2012-05-22 08:03

      I think most of us wouldnt give a toss. hell I might just do one to prove a point. i can only do stick figures though so maybe it wouldnt be as graphic.

      Jaco - 2012-05-22 08:44

      Helen did not screw up

      Pixie86 - 2012-05-22 10:14

      oh jaco, you would blindly follow her off mt everest. Helen is no saint neither are you or anyone for that matter. To justify this painting by calling on the president's past is simply stupid. Stop pretending to be some pillar of morality. Most of SA men have affairs, have llegitimate kids and none of those men would want their privates hanging for the public to see.

      Christopher - 2012-05-22 10:53

      @pixie...Maybe whoever you have gone out with had affairs, but most men I know have not had affairs and Illegitimate kids. Maybe you hanging around the wrong circles, or it could just be you? Zuma is a public servant and should have thought before he did. And this is why his balls are hanging around in the public domain.

      monkinsane - 2012-05-22 12:56

      Pixie you should've been looking at the marxist Lennin pose - depicting the fact that the current government is more of a dictatorship than a democracy, the penis is a reference to how Zuma & Co is raping the country as well as his inability to keep it in his pants.

      Pixie86 - 2012-05-22 18:09

      @christopher, you have clearly had your head buried in the sand if you trully believe there aren't men out there having affairs and illegitimate kids. @monkisane, i'm not an art analyst. All i saw was a man with his junk out. I didn't look for hidden meanings.

      Nicolaas - 2012-05-22 18:47

      @pixie86, you have proof that most SA men has affairs? Can you substantiate what your saying? I demand that you provide proof of me as a SA man having an affair. You have 24 hours to provide that proof here on NEWS24, if you cannot, I will slap you with a lawsuit so big, you will not know what hit you. I will not accept your generalisation of SA MEN.

      Pixie86 - 2012-05-22 21:09

      getting a little sensitive there old nic. I said men cheat. I didn't say all men cheat. Read and understand. This does not require stats, it's facts. Men and women cheat. I suppose you'll look for a woman to slap a lawsuit against me now. Get over yourself.

      Pixie86 - 2012-05-22 21:12

      and nic, i said MOST. That's not ALL. And in case you didn't notice we come from different backgrounds and cultures. It could be you're arounds saints all the time wh never cheat and i'm surrounded by men who cheat all the time. Sheesh

      tasmee.hylkema - 2012-05-23 14:47

      Wow Pixie, where do you get your stats from? I can guarantee that is is incorrect. Most SA men have affairs and illegitimate children? That is a huge generalisation. I am certainly not married to a man that does either of these! Neither are any of my close friends. You see in civil society, there are boundaries we do not cross. We marry one man, raise children within a secure structure, provide security etc.......we dont have children illegitimate children all over the place. I can safely say that for the majority within my race group.

      Pixie86 - 2012-05-23 23:32

      once again i have to point out. @tasmee, as i said above i reiterate (esih this is getting tiring) i didn't say ALL men. Statistically though with all the teenage pregnancies, how many kids do you really believe are legitimate. Out of every10 woman i know, eight have illegitimate kids, 9 have been cheated on and 7 of those think it's fine. Seriously? Where do you people live? I'd love to meet these wonderful honest men!

  • jjmostert - 2012-05-22 07:42

    Just wondering.... If this painting was of FW de Klerk, and not Pres. Zuma, would there still have been all this commotion about it?

  • my10cent - 2012-05-22 07:42

    Don't appologize, Brett. Freedom of expression is part of Democracy all over the world. It's NOT your fault that the idiot is making a fool of himself wherever he goes.

      Mncedisi - 2012-05-22 10:00

      my10cent - But freedom of expression must not offend anybody unless you don't understand what feredom of expression is all about.

  • Peter Zylstra - 2012-05-22 07:43

    Having been accused of rape, having sex with your friend's daughter and then taking a shower to wash away aids infection and having six wives makes a person a morally bankrupt womaniser. This portrait is an artist's way of portraying such a person! So, why the big blown up stoty

      Ifeanyi - 2012-05-22 08:06

      Just 4 asks, how on earth do we portray FW De Klerk, PW Botha, and all 'whites' accused of infamy and racism in d past(and present, of cos). I mean ARTISTICALLY. How, again artistically, should we portray ET Terblanche? Still on artistic depictions, pls enlighten me how Prez Clinton's 'spear' was painted after he did lewinsky, J flowers, etc etc. One thing u pple need grasp is dat love him, hate him, JZ is d president of SA. Respect and Deal with it, or jump into d lake. Frigging racists!!

      mmakgaboe - 2012-05-22 08:23

      Somethings are really unnecessary though. I doubt this counts as being creative, its utterly disrespectful. Zapiro on the other hand - that there was pure genius in a decent manner. This Brett character crossed the line.

      gailcarolynhayes - 2012-05-22 08:31

      @Ifeanya. To answer one of your questions regarding Eugene TB. I seem to recall back in the 70/80's one of our cartoonists depicted him with his ass in the air and decidedly tatty underpants. I don't recall whether his genitals were on display but I do recall that it had something to do with a journalist called Jane? and an alleged relationship. Of course back then we had censorship of nipples and almost anything anyone regarded as "offensive" so perhaps we shoud go back to that and then nobody would even know anything about this "artwork" that is at the root of the brouhaha. I certainly wouldn't have known anything about it had the ANC not made such a to do about it. I don't recall any details about the other people you mentioned.

      Felix - 2012-05-22 08:37

      @Ifeanyi here you go, knock yourself out http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blclintonpics.htm If only you didn't have such a victim mentality but I guess you can't help it because you are probably incompetent.

      Ifeanyi - 2012-05-22 08:56

      Felix, my dear foolix. U dont wanna go that route now, do u? Incompetence? I scoff @ ur high falluting idiocy. Dude, my education and clout will only leave u perenially inferior. Google d word 'pseudonym'. Then again, i ll leave u 2 turn pink, green, or whatever colour u and ur ilk turn when corrected by a neo black man. Cheers my pink, oops, my 'white' retard!

      Felix - 2012-05-22 09:03

      Ha ha. There you go trying to substantiate yourself again. No one cares about your education buddy, just your attitude. Typing in sms short hand isn't helping your cause either.

      gemmaleigh.evans.3 - 2012-05-22 09:36

      @Ifeanyi...respect is earned, not demanded. As for your argument regarding infamous presidents and "white" figureheads of the past...IF someone HAD done the same to them, well then, they would have deserved it. If your issue is that they were not, then please by all means, pick up a canvas and paint one yourself and I will be one of the first to support your accurate depiction of their shortcomings. @mmakgaboe, yes, personally I do think the art is in bad taste. I wouldn't want a naked portrait of anyone in my house/place of work. It's not really appropriate in my opinion. I also feel swearing in popular music and on TV (which my son has easier access to) is inappropriate, but that will never change and neither will artists abuse of freedom of expression. So the government must either change the constitution (which I bet they're just dying to) or be adult and deal with it. This is a democracy, not a dictatorship...supposedly.

      Ifeanyi - 2012-05-22 11:12

      Felix, I laugh in derision @ your last comment. You wanna talk about attitude now? Ok, heregoes: a good attitude which u claim 2 have is to scoff @ an African's post, and wonder about his competence simply because he's not 'white'?? What on earth is in the water u drink?? From ur stance, its crystal clear that ur only claim 2 relevance in life is ur deficiency of melanin. Dude, get a life. The world has passed u by indeed. And yes, I will write in sms/hand. Deal with it!! And by d way sms as u write, aint 'longhand'

      monkinsane - 2012-05-22 12:59

      Ifeani - You should be looking at the marxist Lennin pose - depicting the fact that the current government is more of a dictatorship than a democracy, the penis is a reference to how Zuma & Co is raping the country as well as his inability to keep it in his pants. And there are plenty of comical pictures of ET, Especially when he fell of his horse! (I laughed my ass of when I read that :p )

      Felix - 2012-05-23 10:42

      Ifeanyi, you probably won't get to read this but did you even check out the link I sent? It was an answer to your question about Clinton. I never attacked you but rather defended against your obvious allusion that this was a racial issue which it isn't. Your obvious defense was the race card and so I stand by my opinion that you have an inferiority complex based on the melanin content of YOUR skin. Now look up some other big words to prove yourself, by the way you spelled medicine wrong on your FB profile. Kthnxbai

  • Duze - 2012-05-22 07:43

    Brett Murray you should paint both your parents and your wife and kids the same way you did with President Zuma, then we will see that perhaps you did not mean to hurt anyone. I believe also ordinary people can also be painted to illustrate a point, right?

      gailcarolynhayes - 2012-05-22 08:46

      @Duze. Who would care about a white guy painting his family with all their family dirty laundry/family jewels hanging out? They are nobodies. Zuma has earned the painting for two reason. 1 His sexual licentiousness and 2 The fact that as a President he is a weak and ineffective leader due to those sexual obsessions and that is how everyone will remember him. It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with the fact that a President should lead by example and has no right to tell other people regardless of colour how to conduct their own sexual lives when his own is so public and out of control. Especially in a country where someone is raped every 4 seconds or something. How can he represent and admonish rapists when he himself is drunk on sex and power? I couldn't believe my ears when he was shown on TV lecturing a group of young Africans who had been awarded some form of training about how the women must behave themselves and not get pregnant during the course and then almost as an afterthought adding that the young men should also desist from sexual activities with women. I mean here is a 60 something man with who knows how many chikldre by numerous women telling them not to do as he has done but as he says. A total contradiction. Clinton was almost impeached and forced toadmit his complicity. FW Pik and other NP politicians were also publically condemned if and when they committed adultery. The point of the painting is that JZ does nothing except commit adultery!

      sechaba.lenong - 2012-05-22 10:07

      @gailcarolynhayes. First, let me tell than i am no supporter of Zuma but you have to let the man practice his culture. He is a polygamist so that means he can marry as many women as he was and take care of as many children as he can. The only way to stop Aids from spreading is to find a cure for it. The only way to reduce the spread of Aids is to practise safe sex. Unfortunately no matter how you hard u try to stop people from cheating, they always will. If you were judging him on having sex with HIV positive woman without using protection then i would support u on that one.

      Lena - 2012-05-23 16:09

      Artists paint naked people all the time and it's not such a big deal. Take a look at Deborah Poynton's work. She is South African, and paints her parents and partner naked. Painters portray nudes for different reasons, and I think Murray's reasons were very well-founded. Ditto on what Gail says to you, too!

  • Squeegee - 2012-05-22 07:44

    Unintended consequences..

  • Vusi - 2012-05-22 07:45

    Tsek wena Brett harm has been caused, now apologise and remove that pic.

  • i2meleng - 2012-05-22 07:45

    Yeah right (SMH)I, don't like Zuma, but to portray him like that is wrong on every level.

  • Phumi - 2012-05-22 07:45

    Of cause you never meant to hurt anyone just like that stupid blond model didnt too. Just like Mr. De Klerk who said we had a nice time under apartheid he didnt meant to hurt anyone too. Also you will be pleased to know that even Hellen Zille didnt mean to hurt us when she called our people "refugees" in their land of birth. You not alone even Peiter Mulder didnt mean it too when he called us Bantu in this morden day South Africa! You see its cool to undermine and ridicule blacks because we do not have any feelings like you. You can take away our dignity and just apologise and we will be told by society and courts to move on. Isn't it nice that there is just a race that you can make them your fashionable sport whenever you feel like it?

      pkheswa - 2012-05-22 07:50

      @Phumi, i love you!

      Melusi - 2012-05-22 07:59

      @phumi u rock!

      Jason - 2012-05-22 08:00

      Sorry to interject - De Klerk never said you had a nice time under apartheid, Zille was taken out of context she was referring to you having to leave your homeland in order to make a living much like refugee's. Mulder was 100% historically correct sorry but it true, you are as much an invader here as anyone else unless you are khoi. no one is undermining black ppl except some lost right wing farmers and other black ppl, the rest of us are merely trying to make a place in the sun much like the rest of you.

      Hudayfah - 2012-05-22 08:10

      I see you conveniently left out the model that said all the whites should be killed. You left out the 'shoot the boer' song too.How about the coloureds that should be moved from W.C.? Or is it just that you have selective memory.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-22 08:35

      @phumi, nicely articulated. @hudafay, does that exclusion make her comment incorrect? I don’t think so, she is mentioning the grievances "she" felt as a consequence of ill treatment and emotional abuse by these racist hypocrites. If u felt the same at some point, add your line below and list them, don't expect someone else to do it on your behalf. @Michael, I guess de klerk had very “bad time” during apartheid. I believe you, he really had.

      Felix - 2012-05-22 08:42

      Here's some salt for that chip Phumi, now get back to stamping passports etc.

      Hudayfah - 2012-05-22 08:57

      @siyadyosiba. More hypocritical is the one telling one side of the story and turning a blind eye to the other part. If phumi is so apposed to racism then why not condemn both sides. This would be the fair route would it not? But she chose to condemn the one side and by it stir up emotions instead of reason. I dont like racism but i also do not like this one sided arguments it won't take us forward.

      Jacques - 2012-05-22 09:22

      Your name should be POEMI

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-22 09:37

      @huda, as i said, one has aright to say what they want to say. if exclusion of something is deliberate to you, its your own claim, stick to it buddy.

  • craig.a.salter - 2012-05-22 07:46

    The spear is as racist as the Mona-lisa

  • thando.ramncwana - 2012-05-22 07:47

    Really now!!!......try drawing yo grandfathers junk for every1 to have a satarical joke about it. Every freedom should have its limitations, to protect other parties as well.

      Jason - 2012-05-22 08:01

      Freedom with limitations is not freedom.

      thando.ramncwana - 2012-05-22 09:18

      Ignorant pr*cks

  • Brad.Kopping - 2012-05-22 07:47

    Maybe if Zuma learned to keep his penis in his pants we wouldn have this problem.

      Koos - 2012-05-22 08:47

      Some people use guns for protection, some use condoms, some use Protex.

  • Sipho - 2012-05-22 07:47

    I actually thought the "artwork" was a good reflection on our president. For Murray to say now "he never intended to hurt anyone" - lame ... Stick to your guns man, or were you thinking with your d*ck?

      Mdu - 2012-05-22 08:00

      It's funny that the ugly pig Mantashe is now calling for the masses to support this joke of a president but when they decide to put e-tolls they don't know the masses.go to hell.

  • rankati - 2012-05-22 07:49

    No need to feel guilty Brett.you were doing what you are good at,expressing yourself trough art.

  • dulile.sowagahlubikalangalibalele - 2012-05-22 07:53

    Vulgar is vulgar. Imagine if I were an artist, and differed with Helen Zille's political views. Would I ever do the same? No. Would I get thumb up from readers of this site? Never. Even in the name of freedom of expression. This is freedom abused. Disrespect. It would be for any person, no matter how ordinary he is or what public office he holds.

      Jason - 2012-05-22 08:02

      I think you are incorrect. if an artist made a pic of helen zille's privates i for one wouldnt give a flying toss.

      melania.nel - 2012-05-22 08:09

      Yes the painting is disgusting, but it is stil just that, a painting. You should see the one of zuma by Ayanda Mabula, painted years ago. Mandela and Tutu are also in the disgusting painting.

  • tshepo.ally - 2012-05-22 07:54

    nuff with this already. what's new in the news, news24? give us something fresh.

      Jason - 2012-05-22 08:02

      completely agree. its like there is nothing else happening in the country.

  • moira.fox.7 - 2012-05-22 07:56

    Well now that you know you have in actual fact hurt someone and woken up a whole foray of unnecessary racial comments and division amongst these "brave" and clever commentators here and elsewhere - take the thing down; don't let it become more than it is and save the tax payers some money by not making it a court battle - it is the right thing to do and you may come out looking like a hero!

  • Deana - 2012-05-22 07:59

    Brett, don't stoop to their level by even replying to the outrage, never mind apologize! You're an artist and can paint whatever you want! You're set for life, my friend! Well done!

  • Andile - 2012-05-22 08:00

    its okay brett iam an artist myself, bt iam also an anc member, il also do a painting of you with your privates hanging and hang it up in a public place and well see how it feels you %!#!*

      melania.nel - 2012-05-22 08:06

      If you are an artist, why not comment on Ayanda Mabula and his naked zuma painting?

      dulcie.theron - 2012-05-22 09:20

      ......PLEASE, your thoughts on the AYANDA painting. why are you avoiding it, did you see that the Bishop is exposed with a pink penis! Comon Andile, an artist?

  • Luvo - 2012-05-22 08:01

    This goofy-like creature that is Brett Murray has no idea that he has single handedly taken the SA public 15 years back\r\n with his stupid depiction. He simply does not acknowledge the damage he has done. And the like-minded bozos keep on defending him

      Peter - 2012-05-22 08:45

      All the good worK done by the current ANC and ANCYL leadership undone by this artistic depiction of Zuma, yeah right!

  • gustav.harmse - 2012-05-22 08:04

    Blacks are probably the biggest hypocrite in South Africa go on Google select images and type the artist name Ayanda Mabulu and see the art that he have done of Zuma and Nelson Mandela, his stuff is vulgar but hey he is black so the same rules don’t apply, http://ridwanlaher.blogspot.com/2012/05/should-anc-sue-artist-ayanda-mabulu-for.html

      ziphok1 - 2012-05-22 08:37

      Blacks you say? Don't be stupid man. If someone say whites are racist you don't take that one too well. I'm black f* k and you have no idea how I think. So stop generalising you idiot.

  • Sefako - 2012-05-22 08:08

    Really?

  • Wenchy - 2012-05-22 08:09

    I do not find the artists expression racist.

  • Jacques AkaShreko Stander - 2012-05-22 08:14

    I love you Brett Murrey !!

  • mmakgaboe - 2012-05-22 08:15

    "I never intended the artwork to cause any hurt or to harm the dignity of any person" Oh my gawsh is this guy serious!? Pop-tart! I am no fan of Zuma and i have issues with our govt which has failed many but it does not justify one to humiliate the president when he is already doing a good job @ it himself.

      melania.nel - 2012-05-22 08:19

      Its a really disgusting painting, but what gets me are these racist articles provoking people while a black artist did this as well and nobody made a fuss. Ayanda mabula.

      nmateke - 2012-05-22 09:41

      Ayanda mabula's painting might have been racist too, and the Idea here is to condemn anything of such nature either black or white

  • John - 2012-05-22 08:15

    Brett Murray has made a great career move. He has captured the attention of the nation and the sales of his work will soar as naive patrons of the arts flock to buy into the cachet of owning his work. It is a shallow, peurile concept unworthy of the attention it is getting.

      dave.prinsloo - 2012-05-22 08:23

      the word is \puerile\, as is your comment , as well as shallow. Hello.

  • Stephen - 2012-05-22 08:16

    Brett - don't apologise; some of your most vocal critics today didn't know you existed two weeks ago. Gwede is an idiot, he needs to go and look at your creations during the apartheid era that pulled no punches with respect to the government at the time.

      zama.mhlongo.14 - 2012-05-22 08:38

      Please Stephen share with us a link to a site that would make us see those paintings. If the High Court doesn't favour the ANC this image will forever be in the net, even if they remove it so many people already have it on their phones and hard drives. Mr Murray is just a plain racist who has changed my attitude towards white peole since they back him so much.

      gemmaleigh.evans.3 - 2012-05-22 12:26

      @Stewart...if say MY family was painted with their genitals for all to see, I would object, as indeed JZ is welcome to. But I can guarantee you...if it was my family...I would be the only one objecting. The point is this is JZ's fight, not ours. We are, as citizens, investing way too much into something that really has nothing to do with us. So what if he's our president...I'm someone else's mother. And if I had to wrecklessly sleep around and a similar portrait was done of me...I'd feel ashamed, and my son would have every right to condemn me for embarrassing him. In the same way...I condemn our president for embarrassing my country.

      gemmaleigh.evans.3 - 2012-05-22 12:26

      @Zama - http://ridwanlaher.blogspot.com/2012/05/should-anc-sue-artist-ayanda-mabulu-for.html

  • dave.prinsloo - 2012-05-22 08:17

    the anc outrage is outrageous.

  • rosiegracebrooks - 2012-05-22 08:18

    Six wives, fathered around thirty kids, and one rape case.\r\n\r\nIn court papers, Zuma says that he was “shocked and felt personally violated” when he saw the piece which he says depicts him as a “philanderer, a womaniser and one with no respect.”\r\n\r\nI think the painting is completely accurate. And even if it isn't, Jayzee can't keep banning everything he doesn't like. That smaaks of Apartheid. Freedom of expression isn't something you can turn on and off like a lightswitch. \r\n\r\nI say - awesome piece of art.

      tamsanqa.h.monaheng - 2012-05-22 08:28

      Wat do u know about freedom of expression if it was your private part dat was displayed would u say dat stop with dis racist mind his our president we respect him you racist

      Koos - 2012-05-22 08:50

      I would feel hard done by. I'm bigger than that.

      rosiegracebrooks - 2012-05-22 11:59

      Dear tamsanqa.h.monaheng, if it was my private parts on display, I wouldn't really give a crap - it's an artistic impression, so yeah, if a famous artist wanted to depict me with my privates, who the hell am I to stop him. The truth is that in a democracy, there is freedom of speech and freedom of expression. This piece is expression. And calling it racist - are you one of those people who believes that anything said against someone of colour is racially motivated? How is this painting racist? There is a black artist who did similar work a few years ago, but nothing was raised then, but as soon as someone white does it, OMG it's racism. No, it is not racist. Saying that Jacob Zuma has six wives, had a rape case against him and fathered over 30 children is NOT RACISM. It is the truth. The ANC can't keep pulling the race card to cover embarrassing facts up. If this country begins to ban artwork at the discretion of the president, then we've pretty much gone back to the old laws of apartheid where everything got censored. So don't act so high and mighty. It is a farcical interpretation of man who is led by his penis. The fact that the ANC has made such a pallarva about it has spread the image virally and so everyone has seen it. If they had just kept quiet, no one would have really noticed and Zuma could have avoided a lot of embarrassment. Lastly - if someone drew a naked picturee of the Queen of England, I'm sure she wouldn't like it, but she'd just live with it, like every sane grown up would do.

  • marumobongani - 2012-05-22 08:19

    in case you forget how harsh s.africans can be next time think before you paint you dont want to smell your own flesh burning

      melania.nel - 2012-05-22 08:20

      Are you going to say the same to Ayanda Mabula? Or are you reserving your threats for whites?

      neo.khemisi - 2012-05-22 08:22

      Does he have balls to think or his mind its been smooked by the paints he uses

  • siyadyosiba - 2012-05-22 08:21

    Brett is digging his own grave now. once you apologise you are conceding. now i havent heard what i would like to hear from his words. so far he is choosing his words wisely. there is one lawyer behind what he says.

      melania.nel - 2012-05-22 08:27

      What do you think Ayanda Mabula's lawyer will say? He did the same so he must be punished the same, right? What do you want brett to say about this ugly painting? Why not take time and look at his work and then you will know what he is trying to say. I don't like what he did, but I will never take a way his right to do what he wants to express

      dave.prinsloo - 2012-05-22 08:28

      no lawyer and no apology, just honesty, hello, it's simple. If you don't get it you don't get it and you don't get it. Get it?

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-22 08:47

      @dave, you are a type that has to read a line three times before you understand it. Ok, now read the comment again and tell me if i said he apologised.

  • dumsani.khanyile - 2012-05-22 08:24

    We are sick of these racists comments mostly posted by white ppl the painting is a pure insult nobody is perfect even yr own white fathers dnt use yr colour use your minds zuma is nt only a human bieng but a democraticaly elected president

      dave.prinsloo - 2012-05-22 08:25

      you sound very racist yourself, buddy

      Rudi - 2012-05-22 08:39

      I agree that the painting is vulgar, but if you actually took your time to read through the comments you will in the first place not see to many direct racist comments, just discussions.

  • jamey.webber - 2012-05-22 08:24

    You never hurt anyone, we live in a country where "freedom of expression and speech" is suppressed by the lack of understanding and ignorance.

  • dumsani.khanyile - 2012-05-22 08:24

    We are sick of these racists comments mostly posted by white ppl the painting is a pure insult nobody is perfect even yr own white fathers dnt use yr colour use your minds zuma is nt only a human bieng but a democraticaly elected president

      Tony Lapson - 2012-05-22 08:27

      I'm sorry? Do you ever see a white commenter talking about "wiping out" or "taking out" other human beings. You are blinded by personal bias.

      Abrham - 2012-05-22 08:39

      wrong, zuma is elected by an organisation and therefore the president. very few of the anc membership actually voted for zuma in person. the election of the president and for that matter all members of parliament is flawed. nobody was put in power by the people in different constituancies, they were appointed by an elite few. democracy my ass!!!

  • Tony Lapson - 2012-05-22 08:25

    @siyadyosiba They brought international trade, you probably can't comprehend what that means for you an the products you use. They came here and there wasn't even a WHEEL in sight. How does that make you feel?

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-22 09:04

      @tony, tell me what infrastructure did they bring.

  • Vuyiswa - 2012-05-22 08:27

    Brett where do I start?You are a shame piece of art?I would like to meet you no to strip you naked maybe you lack something you pervert

      Tony Lapson - 2012-05-22 08:29

      You want to strip him naked? I dont have a problem with your homosexuality.

      dave.prinsloo - 2012-05-22 08:32

      it takes one to know one, pervert