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ICD probing cop who shot teen 5 times

2012-02-16 08:04

Johannesburg - A Soweto teenager was killed when a policeman allegedly fired five shots at him, Gauteng police said on Thursday.

Police spokesperson Warrant Officer Kay Makhubela said the teenager was not shot seven times as reported.

He said the Independent Complaints Directorate was investigating the death of Thato Mokoka, when a policeman allegedly shot him at point blank range while he was lying down.

Dobsonville police raided the boy's home after neighbours told them he had an unlicensed gun.

The Star reported on Thursday that Mokoka was lying on his stomach with his hands above his head when the policeman fired.

He was killed outside the home of his grandmother, Sybil Mokoka, in Bramfisherville Phase 2 on Tuesday night.

The 16-year-old was a Grade 9 pupil at Kgatelopele Secondary School.

Comments
  • John - 2012-02-16 08:13

    "....Mokoka WAS LYING on his stomach with his hands above his head when the policeman fired...." This is not a POLICE !!!! WTF?

      Hugh - 2012-02-16 09:14

      Our future under this government. No accountability, and a police state worse then the Nats.

      JohhnyBGood - 2012-02-16 10:13

      THIS IS MURDER BY POLICE !!!

  • Sharon - 2012-02-16 08:16

    He obviously did not have the gun in his hand... And by the way, being shot 5 times not seven - Hello?? He is still dead!! The policeman must be charged with murder and his gun taken away - he is obviously not fit to have it.

      Ben - 2012-02-16 08:25

      I agree, this was murder. How did this man become a policeman?

      Justine - 2012-02-16 08:33

      @Dieter! Ur an idiot my friend!!!!

      Dieter - 2012-02-16 08:35

      stick and stones justine ... so you'll be okay with your 16 year old son having a unlicensed gun? ...

      Cina - 2012-02-16 08:42

      @Dieter did they found the gun. I wonder it still not right they could have just arrested him not kill him unarmed.

      mariuskowie - 2012-02-16 08:43

      @Dieter. Since when do the police have the right to execute whomever they wish, based on suspicion of some crime? Next time you deal with the police, just pray that it is not one that lives by your rules!

      Henning - 2012-02-16 08:44

      Dieter, the punishment obviously does not fit the crime....the kid deserves the right to be tried by a court of law. You can't just come out guns blazing especially if the kid was lying defenceless on the ground. This isn't a hollywood movie twat!

      Mbulelo - 2012-02-16 08:45

      No one would be fine with their kid having a unlicensed fire arm Dieter...but at the same time would you be fine with a cop killing your son in your house,in your presence for such?

      George - 2012-02-16 08:46

      @ Dieter, Engauge brain before you open your mouth, READ IT AGAIN and incase you miss it again, it said, and I quote "after neighbours told them he had an unlicensed gun" no gun was found

      Hermann - 2012-02-16 08:59

      @ Dieter @Dieter. Careful you may very well have eat your assumptions one day.I hope for sure that your neighbours will go tell the police you have an unlicensed gun and you get a visit by a similar power mad policeman. There is as of yet no proof whether he had a gun and pointed it at the police.

      louis.c.cromhout - 2012-02-16 09:01

      @Dieter you really are an idiot, even if he did have an unlicensed gun he was still unarmed. I bet your not mister perfect but maybe the SAPD must come shoot you as well, you know just for incase.

      zamom - 2012-02-16 09:03

      Dieter obviously is a lazy reader. To be accussed of having an unlicenced gun and having on are two different things.

      sizwe - 2012-02-16 09:05

      @Dieter... You're a sick sick bloke. Even idiots would be ashamed to be associated with the likes of you

      tyrone.hunt85 - 2012-02-16 09:10

      @Dieter: You seriously think this is fair? Yes, having the gun is a no no. The fact that he is 15/16 probably makes him a bigger threat, lacking that understanding of life and consequences, you do stupid and wreckless things, so he could have done something VERY STUPID. Yes, who says that they could have "rehablitated" this boy, who says he might have gone clean, for all we know he might have aspirations to lead a life of crime. My personal opinion is that the fact that this outjie was not a direct threat to the police when they fired, they should be HARSHLY punished. But as for your comment, I can't take your judgement serious.

      George - 2012-02-16 09:13

      DIETER DOES NOT HAVE A TV LICENCE

      fredahsm - 2012-02-16 09:14

      @Dieter & those liking your stupid comment: are idiots There is no mention of whether the firearm was found, & if so, he was not in possession of the firearm. only that some neighbours reported that he had an unlicensed firearm of which if he had, he has not used it not even on the so called neighbours........think before you open your mouth............

  • brianmacza - 2012-02-16 08:18

    I trust that 'rule of law' will actually take place this time, and hold the officer accountable.

      Pierre - 2012-02-16 09:40

      @ Brian - I hope you are right. Usually I am in defence of SA, but police brutality is a problem and it seems to me to be on the increase.

  • Pierre - 2012-02-16 08:19

    Definitely needs to be investigated.

  • Morama - 2012-02-16 08:19

    we haven't got full story and as for me,i believe Moroka was somehow dangerous cz there's no smoke without fire.I asume this guy was on the other site of the law....good riddance!!!

      Ben - 2012-02-16 08:31

      Granted, but an armed policeman could have arrested him and taken him in for questioning. Lying on the ground he could hardly have been dangerous. I feel sorry for his parents. It must be hard to lose a child in this manner.

      sizwe - 2012-02-16 09:07

      Morama... This sounds like this kid was shot in the back... How are you going to say good riddance when a teenager gets executed like that

      Hugh - 2012-02-16 09:20

      The neighbors claimed he had a gun, the police didn't arrest him or search the house, they executed him while he lay on the ground pleading for mercy. Could have been your kid, or you for that matter. Time the Cops took cognisance that they are no longer credible. Their shoot first policy means do I shoot back?

      Patsy - 2012-02-16 09:34

      Morama Since when are you judge, jury and executioner? We do NOT know all the facts yet. Even if the kid had an unlicensed firearm, he was lying on his stomach with his arms stretched out, no threat to anyone It sounds more like a 'hit to me shot 5 times in the back? Are we even certain it was a policeman?

      sbuda69 - 2012-02-16 16:12

      GOOD RIDDANCE??? What are you on...they went there in speculation and so far it seems they did not even find a gun that was said to be there by neighbours. Naybe you never lived in a township but neighbours speculate all the time, I was said to be a car thief cause I could drive at an early age and had uncles with cars that would give me a car...Am glad cops never showed up when I was said to be a thief cause I wasn't go live this long...What happened to everyone having a fair trial if they are found in the wrong...???? Morama I hope you never need help from the cops or better yet be on the wrong side...#click click boom

  • Sunett - 2012-02-16 08:20

    The 16 yr old boy, lying on his stomach, must have been a huge threat for the cop to shoot him 5 TIMES!!! What the hell! These are the people who are supposed to be protecting us - and they are shooting unarmed teenagers who pose ZERO threat in the back!! God help us. We're so screwed.

  • Johan - 2012-02-16 08:20

    That's cold blooded murder. Send the pig to rot in jail !

      Morama - 2012-02-16 08:27

      @Johan,it's very rare where you find policemen being on the wrong side on occassions like this.I have a suspicioun that Moroka was a terrible guy.

      John - 2012-02-16 08:56

      @ Morama. Have you heard of a legal system?? You could be next....

      Thokozane - 2012-02-16 09:02

      @Morama, he may have been a terrible teen, or the murderer could have been a dirty cop, there are so many of them by the way. According to this article, the boy was lying on his stomach with his hands to the head, what threat was he posing to the cop? This is murder.

      Deon - 2012-02-16 13:20

      Morama, some leaders are also terrible but we don't go around killing them. This is a democracy and not a police state, we hope.

  • Johan - 2012-02-16 08:25

    That policeman is a murderer and should be jailed for life!

  • Kantoro Sten Mlauzi - 2012-02-16 08:25

    hw can u shoot sum1 hu has already surrendered?? if der is no motive i thnk dis police officers shud leave their problems at home n nt take out on innocent ppl, even if he had de gun bt he was laying down 4 god sake,,,#pus

  • dumisiledee - 2012-02-16 08:27

    WTF??????????????

      Patsy - 2012-02-16 09:37

      Exactly, Dumisile!!!!

  • Marcell - 2012-02-16 08:30

    Something fishy going on. Let's wait before we judge.

  • KayMoruane - 2012-02-16 08:31

    This tip offs turns deadly...why this police not doing 'quick' investigations first, it's their job after all!!!!! Proper investigations first, then get the criminal behind bars....Simple

      Shaun Robinson - 2012-02-16 08:50

      @Kay - It's simple because in this country you are guilty until proven otherwise. I sat in prison awaiting trial once for six weeks so the police could drop the case due to realising they had no case. For six weeks I was not charged, just presumed guilty... In the states they gather the proof then arrest you, here it is the other way around...

      Hugh - 2012-02-16 09:23

      @Sean, I hope you're sueing them for unlawfull arrest; pain and suffering. THeres a couple of R-mil in that for you.

      Pierre - 2012-02-16 09:34

      @ Shaun - I agree, if it is true what you say then you should sue absolutely.

      Pierre - 2012-02-16 10:44

      People awaiting trial are a big black mark on the new South Africa. I am mostly in defence of SA, but the situation around awaiting trial detainees are not just staggering, it is criminal negligence. From year 2000 there are at a time 50000+ people awaiting trial, some even for years (cases of 4-7 years exist). Considering that only between 2-3 out of 5 trials result in a conviction, a large percentage of the trial awaiting detainess will be found innocent eventually. The Number of trial waiting detainees that waited in jail longer than 2 years without a trial was put at a total of 47 414 (up to August 2010) by one report. How long does an investigation need to find evidence to convict? Why was the person arrested in the first place if after months (even 2 years) no evidence to convict could be found? Yes I agree this is one aspect where the new South Africa is failing and is worse than the previous government.

  • E=MC2 - 2012-02-16 08:33

    does it matter how many times he was shot? Point blank while lying on his stomach is the main point here... Hope that cop gets probed with something very long... at point blank range!

  • Motebang - 2012-02-16 08:33

    was he shot wen he was 15 and died wen he was 16? i am confused one article says he was 15 and the other says he was 16. if the reporter can't get a simple thing like the age right how are we supposed to trust that the story is correct

      Evan James Knowles - 2012-02-16 08:39

      Perhaps it was his birthday.

      John - 2012-02-16 08:57

      I think you missed the point...

  • iGeorge_S - 2012-02-16 08:35

    Its always strange to me that when these officers are in the academy that nobody can see that they are a danger to society. You always hear about some cop that wiped out his entire family with his service pistol.

  • BuzzM - 2012-02-16 08:35

    Firstly, this sounds like a HIT! Secondly, was an unlicensed firearm found? Just wondering...

  • Donald - 2012-02-16 08:37

    As Cele taught them.... 'Shoot to kill'

      Ig - 2012-02-16 08:42

      Unfortunately so!!

  • Ig - 2012-02-16 08:39

    Nothing to probe, lock him up forever!!!

      E=MC2 - 2012-02-16 09:03

      lock him up so he can be probed :)

  • Stan - 2012-02-16 08:41

    poor young lad

      Ig - 2012-02-16 08:45

      Life is too cheap in our "beloved" country, wish I could immigrate!! Sometimes wonder what Nmandela thinks when he sees how his people are murdered by "his" ANC police force........

  • Ben - 2012-02-16 08:43

    To serve and protect......

  • Cina - 2012-02-16 08:43

    I wonder what will the policeman's excuse be for shooting him point blank.

      brianmacza - 2012-02-16 09:04

      "I thought he might shoot me so I shot him back first" ???

      TJ - 2012-02-16 09:20

      Accoring to IOL, the police said that they don't know how the gun discharged 5 bullets but that it wasn't intentional. WHAT A LOAD OF HOGWASH!!!!! The police today are bigger criminals that the criminals themselves are! I have a 13 year old son and believe me, if this ever happened to my child, I would make sure I went to the ends of the planet to nail the cops butts to the wall, and then some!!!! I was once accused of 'child theft' by a cop because of an abused and neglected child placed in my care on a very temporary basis to give welfare time to investigate and to find a permanent place for this precious 5 year old. This idiot cop attacked me in front of my frail and terminally ill father and my foster son who was also from a traumitised background! Next thing we knew, he was gone with this child and CPU are still battling to find her. The cop had 'relations' with the mother! Of course, despite me and welfare laying charges, nothing ever happened!!! Typical ICD!!!!

  • Herman - 2012-02-16 08:48

    Wow, since the anc was given this country everything is just getting worse.

      Nsephe - 2012-02-16 09:10

      Getting worse for you perhabs....... lets not be political about this, a government official shot a boy dead, Apartheid government shot a lot of young students, and it was FAR worse than this, don't open old wounds please. Matter needs to be probed lock the wrong doers for life. No politics please!!!!!

      Seri - 2012-02-16 09:18

      Herman Herman Herman...strugling to connect the dots here. How is a corrupt trigger happy policeman suddenly connected to the ANC?

  • Thoka - 2012-02-16 08:48

    did they find the gun?? if yes well done cop, intentions was not good why carry a gun instead of studing. If no arrest the cop and that stupid/jelous neighbour.

      Geez Howard - 2012-02-16 09:02

      "if yes well done"..thats just stupid and undertoned..boy looses his life that and u congratulatin that! The nerve!

  • Yuri - 2012-02-16 08:50

    This is a dumb cop...probably with a standard 7 education, three mcdonald's cheeseburgers in his pockets and a fake graduation certificate to boot. I bet he thought the kid was a zombie.

  • John - 2012-02-16 08:53

    He was shot 5 times, NOT 7. At point blank range when you standing over your "victim" if its more than 1 its excessive... In the real world we call it an execution. Where are all the comments that we normally get on here supporting the cops "shoot to kill" policy? Those who happy for the police to take the law into their own hands and cut out the "legal system".

  • Tom - 2012-02-16 08:53

    I am sick and tired of the cops getting a hard time from the man in the street. These young skelms act as if they own the townships and the streets. My office staff has been attacked outside the Louie Botha Wynburg police station since 2003 by this exact type of criminal. I say cops well done - shoot first ask questions later. make them kuk themselves to carry on ruining this country. In SA - where there is smoke there is fire...

      modo - 2012-02-16 09:14

      How can you make a statement like this without knowing anything about the person that was killed? Do you really want to live in a society where this type of behaviour is the standard practice? Next time you or a family member breaks the speed limit or is caught drinking in public or infringing the law in any way would you feel it is justified if they shoot first? You are scum.

      Tom - 2012-02-16 09:29

      Sounds good. Yes I would.

      Hugh - 2012-02-16 09:30

      Tom, I'm all for shoot to kill, but there are certain rules of combat. No gun, kid lying down on the ground, then executed? Should I hope this on your kid?

      Tom - 2012-02-16 09:34

      I have a dream... for 12 months, bring back the death penalty, give cops permission to execute without question.People would kuk themselves. Yes, there would be a percentage of 'sacrifice' but for the greater good. SA would be crime free within that period...everyone would drive slow. Taxis would respect their fellow man. JZ and his cronies would stop stealing our tax money. The list goes on...

      modo - 2012-02-16 10:05

      That is a ridiculous, morally objectionable solution to our problems. Give the - already corrupt and out of control - police ultimate power to kill without question? Do you think that will solve everything? What an idiotic suggestion.

  • Hermann - 2012-02-16 08:54

    Disgusting, total abuse of power and negation of public accountability.

  • MSGRule - 2012-02-16 08:54

    Really....something wrong here.

  • Andre - 2012-02-16 08:55

    This is plain murder. If it was me or you that did this, imagine what would have happened.

  • Michelle - 2012-02-16 08:57

    http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/cops-shoot-teen-7-times-1.1235514 no gun found teenager knew nothing.

  • Geez Howard - 2012-02-16 08:57

    noisy neighbour robbed that little boy his future..the policeman executed that boy

  • Thokozane - 2012-02-16 08:58

    This cop should be arrested for murder."Dobsonville police raided the boy's home after neighbours told them he had an unlicensed gun." The 'gun' was not found at the teen's home, so this lad died in vain.

  • Stephen - 2012-02-16 09:00

    We're heading for some tough,un-lawful times in this country. As opposition and dissent towards the ANC grows and they grow desperate, the cops will be used to enforce the ANC's will and maintain their stranglehold on power.Pretty much like the death squads of some South American countries.The Consitution be damned as far as the ANC is concerned.

  • fredahsm - 2012-02-16 09:01

    MURDER, MURDER, MURDER......period

      fredahsm - 2012-02-16 09:05

      Lets face it, no mention of whether the so called unlicensed firearm was found, the policeman was scoring his own agenda, de deserves to be severely punished for his actions.

  • Warren - 2012-02-16 09:01

    According to 702 eye witness news the policeman is a student constable. Is he perhaps one of those unemployable youth who manages to get into police training? The victim in question was lying on his stomach and shot in the head 5 times and back twice. No weapon was found! Brings back vivid memories of an era when this would be considered to be police brutality at its worst. If there were more than one victim it could be considered to be classified as a massacre. We do not know the whole story but why such extreme measures, he was lying on his stomach - what threat can that pose. If the police officer is a student why is he allowed to carry a firearm and where was his experienced supervisor?

  • Basil Clifford - 2012-02-16 09:03

    Ahhh. He was only shot 5 times, not 7. That's much better.

  • Dianne - 2012-02-16 09:10

    Police are meant to protect, not to instill fear into the population as so frequently happens in South Africa. How could any "sane" man do this. It is horrific and disgusting. This kid deserved the right to be tried in a court of law and not to be shot 7 times whilst face down on the ground. 7 bullets.......this cop is a trigger happy maniac and an execution. I hope somebody shoves a gun in his mouth, gives him a metal sandwich and pulls the trigger. Condolences to his family. I cannot begin to imagine the trauma they experienced. I guess innocent until proven guilty does not apply in this case.

  • Dianne - 2012-02-16 09:11

    BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY MR ZUMA...!!!!!!!

  • tummi.malesa - 2012-02-16 09:17

    This Morning on 702 the SAPS spokes person said no Gun was found at the premises nor on the Suspect so the Boy was shot in cold blood.

  • SM1012 - 2012-02-16 09:18

    I just wish all this SAPS personnel to be reminded that...they are NOT above the LAW...look at TATANE'S case...PURE brutality...yesterday I saw another one, where a Police Officer tossed a student in Kwa Zulu-Natal University, for what?...shame on you SAPS.

  • Derrick - 2012-02-16 09:20

    This "policeman" had personal score to settle with the deceased. Who knows, perhaps he had a girlfriend problem with him. Even a lunatic does not react the way he did.

  • Patsy - 2012-02-16 09:21

    SHOOT TO KILL says bright spark Cele. Only hey....make sure they really are criminals first. Not school children. Trigger-happy murderers.

  • peter.vandermerwe3 - 2012-02-16 09:27

    The policeman must fry...what type of psychological evaluation do saps give members...it's enough that they don't undergo physical training...?

  • Cindy - 2012-02-16 09:29

    So much for SA being a Utopian democracy, we are still living in a police state where human life is worth less than nothing.... now we are at the mercy of uniformed gun-totoing thugs, sounds a bit like Somalia, Rwanda etc doesn't it?

  • Cameronl - 2012-02-16 09:33

    wow.... let me guess, that cop will probably get a promotion! I have a choice word for that cop but I cant say it here, all I can say is reading this made me angry

  • Katlego - 2012-02-16 09:34

    The other news24 article was saying the teenage was shot 7 times and his age ws 15, now he was shot 5 time and he ws 16, is this another article

  • Neelofir - 2012-02-16 09:38

    Justice will be served...innocent till proven guilty....this cop will end up in jail where there will be no mercy for him by the other prisoners...God bless this child and his family...Dieter you don't belong in this democratic SA....what would your reaction be had it been a white teenager?...very different I can assure you

  • Keabetswe Prince Mathabathe - 2012-02-16 09:41

    even if sum1 has a gun am definately sure u cnt shoot him 5tyms, u knw these days am more afraid of de police rather dan being afraid of de criminals. Y do ppl hav 2 b afraid of de so called police mxm!!!

  • Rebaone - 2012-02-16 09:52

    why shoot a person who does not show any sign of violence? This police man does not deserve to be a member of the SAPS and must be locked away for murder.

  • Pietertjie - 2012-02-16 10:41

    For Equal Revenge, they must kill the dam cop, he is an animal, a wild animal. Sometimes this country itself seems unfare to its own cityzens. There are many things we can mention as people and loved ones of the lost, but still nothing will be done. The law that was implimented by the government that police should shoot at chieves that open fire to them made things worse, now they killing as they wish, please SA, do something about this falling apart country.