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Israel slams 'racist' SA label decision

2012-08-23 15:15

Cape Town - Israel's deputy foreign minister has hit out at South Africa after a Cabinet decision to label products from settlements in the West Bank as coming from "Occupied Palestinian Territory".

The Jerusalem Post reported on Thursday that Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon took a stab back at South Africa, saying the decision was racist, and referring to the recent violence at Lonmin's Marikana platinum mine where striking mineworkers were shot dead by police.

"At the moment South Africa's apartheid is aimed at Israel, and against miners within South Africa itself," Ayalon said.

"Instead of deciding to label Israeli products, South Africa should have acted courageously towards the 34 innocent miners that were just asking for an improvement in working conditions."

The Israeli foreign ministry said on Wednesday that the South African decision "brings to mind ideas of a racist nature which the government of South Africa, more than any other, should have wholly rejected".

It added that the measure was unprecedented and constituted "blatant discrimination based on national and political distinction. This kind of discrimination has not been imposed - and rightly so - in any other case of national, territorial or ethnic conflict. Israel and South Africa have political differences, and that is legitimate. What is totally unacceptable is the use of tools which, by essence, discriminate and single out, fostering a general boycott".

Meanwhile, South Africa's ambassador to Israel Ismail Coovadia was summoned to the foreign ministry on Thursday to explain the decision.
 

Comments
  • bernpm - 2012-08-23 15:26

    ".........the recent violence at Lonmin's Marikana platinum mine where striking mineworkers were shot dead by police." It has been reported that some of these miners were armed, 10 people had already been killed and their behaviour was threatening. What does Israel routinely do when Palestinian behaviour is threatening? Invite them for a drinkie??

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-08-23 15:41

      All politicians, with exception of a select few, are HYPOCRITES!!!

      JohanCduToit - 2012-08-23 16:36

      "Meanwhile, South Africa's ambassador to Israel Ismail Coovadia was summoned to the foreign ministry on Thursday to explain the decision." Perhaps now it is time to instead summons Israel's ambassador to come please explain.

      jaba.kov - 2012-08-24 06:14

      Are we labelling goods from occupied Kurdistan? Cyprus? Obviously we have nothing to worry about at home or next door or with our non aligned comrades. Time for another UN- Durban hatefest. as a South African... sadly & repeatedly: my government does not speak for me.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-08-24 07:13

      Whataboutery!

      jaba.kov - 2012-08-24 07:29

      Its funny, really our protestors hack the police to death. Our police mow down our protestors. Our crime rate is close to the highest in the world while unemployment is the worst in BRICS, toll gates, corruption, nepotism. But yes, let’s worry about where a fruit comes from. Let’s tell another country how to run their stuff; seeing that we are obviously proving so successful at it. Our few Government ministers who peruse these ‘racist’ and ‘hypocritical’ decisions should understand and respect the job that THEY have chosen to take, and the constitution THEY are thus paid to represent. It is South African first –Muslim second; if you don’t like it leave politics. If THEY had a similar approach in dealing with human rights oppressors and rouge regimes like Zimbabwe, Syria, Bahrain, Libya, Yemen, Sudan, China, the Kurds’ problems or Armenians or even Hamas atrocities themselves: then maybe I could accept their point of outlook as it would be balanced, however this “only Israel is dreadful” policy stinks of Friday prayers propaganda, especially as the only free and democratic Muslims in the Middle East are surprisingly the Muslim Citizens of the democratic state of Israel – think about it and do some research… you will be shocked at how pathetic our government looks to the world.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-08-24 09:34

      You should ignore these up/down votes as they are manipulated by the moderators, depending on which one is on shift, and the political views held by that moderator. Talk about free press and the freedom of ideas!

  • kevin.pitzer - 2012-08-23 15:29

    Eishhhh.....This diplomatic spat warrants getting out the popcorn folks !

      kala.bafazi - 2012-08-23 16:39

      Didn't Isreal purchase a lot of military hard ware from us years ago. Like the G5 and G6 canons. We might yet find ourselves staring down our own barrels.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-08-23 17:47

      The b@stards even supplied Apartheid SA, their bed fellows with nuclear technology so that it could use it on Africans, if an armed rebellion was ever waged inside the country. Bloody evil psychopathic bastardos!

      jason.sole.92 - 2012-08-23 17:48

      Johan - You brain dead fruitloop, Israel assisted with most of the tech development and most certainly isnt an apartheid state. in fact the word was made by ppl of your kin as a system of government. chop

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-08-23 21:51

      And Nelson Mandela, the phony, the lackey of the West (according to Fidel), was pretending to fight Apartheid and doing so on behalf of the US and Israel. Make any sense? No.

      jaba.kov - 2012-08-24 06:16

      The reality is that the government in this country has been for a long time infiltrated by muslims with hidden agendas, leading the black members of parliament by their noses. Google South Africam MP's & see how many muslim names come up. Islam first, South Africa second.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-08-24 07:12

      Muslims, Indians have always been part of the ANC and besides, who knows it feels it..

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-08-24 16:17

      As have Jewish people, but not in Fidel's world. In Fidel's world Nelson Mandela is a phony, a modern-day Uncle Tom, a lackey of the West.

  • bongani.nsele.58 - 2012-08-23 15:30

    they like to live here in africa but they are busy depoting our nubian brothers because they want to keep israel white when historical there were black people in those lands

      rick.kabose - 2012-08-23 15:55

      History is clearly not your strong point. Blacks were almost exclusively confined to africa until the slave trade began to take off in the middle ages. They called books,try opening it and deciphering the grouping of letters called words.It's not voodoo,it's just the written word.

      danny.levin.351 - 2012-08-23 16:00

      Bongani, you are such a racist. it is not about black and white. It is about legal and illegal immigration. it may come as a surprise to you, but first world countries deport illegal immigrants as a matter of routine. it is called rule of law.

      Desilusionada - 2012-08-23 16:24

      Do not leave your self employment day job and do anything else that even smacks of history. Or are you also one of the Limpopo graduates, where it is assumed that an F in History is a pass rate?

      ivan.schoultz - 2012-08-23 21:07

      @rick.kabose - a dirty little secret about the slave trade that the blacks will deny because it is too gruesome to admit truth: Blacks were selling other Blacks into slavery for thousands of years before the Middle Ages ... who do you think the slaves were that are mentioned in the Bible, and where do you think they came from ??? Blacks were selling their brothers and their conquered tribal neighbours to Arab and Indian traders all along the EAST coast of Africa for thousands of years before the Europeans arrived on the WEST coast to profiteer from the same trade.

  • sifiso.msimango - 2012-08-23 15:36

    rubbish, israel is RACIST, i say again. they illegally/unlawfully/forcefully occupied palestinian land, infact they are land RAPIST.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-08-23 15:43

      Both Palestine and Israel don't have any claim to that land. They just think, because of their religions, they can claim it, as it is the "promised land." Throw out the religion, and there should be peace.

      rick.kabose - 2012-08-23 15:56

      Yes sifiso, the san and khoi know all about land occupiers and rapists.

      neville.chamberlain.509 - 2012-08-23 15:58

      @sifiso - not very up to speed on your history there hey china? Israel is occupying the land because the Arabs attacked them and then got their @sses handed to them on a silver platter. And still they don't learn - they keep on attacking Israel with the same result every time and Israel occupying more land. There is nothing more dangerous than a Jew with a cause and the will to defend it.

      jaba.kov - 2012-08-24 06:20

      In SA we slaughter our mine workers - and then judge Israel? The ANC is the epitome of hypocrites.

  • frank.mahler1 - 2012-08-23 15:36

    I cannot think of a comment by an Israeli official that more clearly characterizes the zionist state. Wading so insensitively into such a delicate matter so offhandedly. Shows a remarkable lack of empathy and sensitivity, equally balanced with hypocrisy and issue avoidance.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-08-23 15:46

      True hey, the Israeli minister doesn't know the explicit details of what happened at the mine, yet immediately it is the miners who are the victims. Yes they were shot and killed, but they wielded weapons, so what was the police to do? Sit them down to a cup of tea and request politely to not be violent? The police have the right to defend their own safety and those around them first, not to consider the offender first.

      frank.mahler1 - 2012-08-23 16:06

      Ja but guys you are missing the point. He should be protesting about the labels on produce. Thats why he is angry. But in order to completely derail a conversation about why the labeling of good is required, he for the purposes of manipulation, brings up a completely different and very sensitive and complex matter. and he did it just because he grabbed at what ever thing he could find to confuse the folks. Dont be confused. He does not care about the miners, he cares that we will speak about that rather than israeli occupation politics and the need for clearly labeled produce.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-08-23 16:17

      @Frank All Zionist suffer from a pathological mindset. They are good at diversion and extolling their holocaust stories, and then turn around and accuse everyone of being anti-Semitic. It's a tactic that seemingly works every time, if you looked at what we debating about now, instead of what this article is about.

      gerhard.kress.3 - 2012-08-23 16:31

      Mgoqi you just don't get it. You cannot sleep with dictators and being taken seriously.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-08-23 16:38

      @kress You just don't get it. Whether you take me seriously or not, I do not care as I'm not trying to convert you or anyone. Now how about you shared you opinions with the community on this topic instead of latching on to me like a dog after a hare......

      frank.mahler1 - 2012-08-23 16:38

      @gerhard - what has sleeping with dictators got to do with fig jam labels? Isael has slept with as many dictators if not more, than has SA. But this is not the point. The point is that this sends a message that the world still regards israel and the occupied territories as different entities. Good no?

      gerhard.kress.3 - 2012-08-23 16:54

      Mgoqi you should be so lucky. The point is that this government cannot even keep the irrigation waters of Hartbeespoort Dam up to international standards and hence lost exports to Europe and locally to Woolworths etc. You cannot sell fruit with bacterial contamination. Who knows what we are being served here.

      frank.mahler1 - 2012-08-23 17:00

      @gerhard - get with the programme, the irrigation is not the point. go rant elsewhere. Everyone - just ignore Gerhard, in time he will go away, or come back with something to do with produce lables.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-08-23 17:15

      And this Gerald type is what I have do deal with on intl threads. One of the reasons also why I never bother with the local threads, because they get hijacked by ranters who want to spew their inbred bigotry and BS.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-08-24 16:18

      South Africans and all reasonable, informed people have to endure Fidel claiming that Nelson Mandela is a phony, a lackey of the West, a modern-day Uncle Tom. Imagine that.

  • wesley.bischoff - 2012-08-23 15:39

    ANC is code for RACIST

  • phumi.ntlabati - 2012-08-23 15:59

    Danny Ayalon is a thug and a war criminal he is the last person to lecture us about moral standing! He must just sit down!

      rick.kabose - 2012-08-23 16:04

      Ish. Your boss left the office again phumi?

  • johana.salivan - 2012-08-23 16:09

    I am not really understanding how is fig jam label "Made in Occupied Palestinian Territory" racist? What race is attacked here? What race is attacking?

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-08-23 16:28

      The Chosenites!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-08-23 22:02

      It presents a biased, prejudiced and ultimately negative image of Israel and Israelis. In this way it is racist, prejudiced against the Israeli race. It does not recognize the fact that Palestinians with their unelected backers invaded Israel twice in the 1960's, and Israel managed to survive and gain land in the process. It is a rule of war that invading forces lose land that the defenders gain in a successful defense of the invasion.

  • avanwyk2 - 2012-08-23 16:19

    We are aware that the ANC is rasist but they've been rasict for a while now. Is it only important now since it effects Israel products. Before this they were quiet and did not say anything ....why only now?

  • J.Stephen.Whiteley - 2012-08-23 16:23

    Davies and Ebrahim asked for this. I can see the custard running down their faces.

  • celeste.vdw - 2012-08-23 16:41

    Do we really want to piss off Israel? Is this wise?

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-08-23 16:54

      It is every country's prerogative to piss of those Israelis until they awake from their colonial stupor and stop stealing other people's land and livelihoods.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-08-23 21:59

      Nelson Mandela is a colonial stooge according to Fidel. His words in the US/Mandela thread last week: Nelson Mandela has sealed his fate as a lackey of the West, a phony, a modern-day Uncle Tom.

      jaba.kov - 2012-08-24 06:30

      Having experienced first-hand the debilitating effects of the criminal society of apartheid and having lived in Israel in the past, I must unfortunately conclude that both Johan & Fidel are either hopelessly misinformed or deeply deluded because self defence is not a crime. Go do some research; it will open your eyes and help you realize that you also have been duped by the fifth column and its twisted propaganda machine against Israel. Israel is a wonderful place that strives for peace, however, peace can only be achieved when the Palestinians renounce terror against Israel and vote to live in peace with Israel - for some unknown reason, their leaders (Hamas/PA) refuse to choose the path of peace – Google their Charter and see how their religion will not allow them to have peace with ‘Infidels’. The Problem is the Islamic belief in non compromise - not Israel self defence.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-08-24 07:10

      There's nothing defensive about Israeli land stealing, it's the same reason that the Nazis went into Russia, lebensraum!!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-08-24 16:20

      Israel was created in 1948 from 52% of the land formerly occupied by the Jewish and Palestinian people, and Palestine 43%. Most of the Israeli territory was the Negev Desert. Jerusalem fell into neither territory. Palestinians with their unelected, self-serving neighbors declared war on Israel the very next day. In the 1960's they even invaded Israel twice. Full military invasions. The result: Israel survived and pushed them back, gaining territory in the process. This is the origin of what Fidel wrongly calls "Israeli land stealing". There have been almost daily attacks by Palestinians, incited by their self-serving unelected backers. Palestinians even teach their children at Kindergarten to attack Israel, rather than be peaceful. Children. Kindergarten. From day one, and even today it's wage war on Israel. Israel defends herself. Yes sometimes going too far, which is unacceptable, but self-defense nonetheless. All that needs to happen is for Palestinians to choose peace side by side with Israel. This is more likely going forward now because the unelected dictators are being removed from power by their people one by one. They will no longer use the Palestinians for their own internal political ploys.

  • christiaan.oosthuizen.568 - 2012-08-23 16:45

    ANC just gave the world a big stick to beat them with, and it will get worse...........lol

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-08-23 16:56

      I wonder what stick did they use to beat the EU as it has those same requirements in place, as that is what the consumers of those countries demand.

  • magomarele - 2012-08-23 16:55

    I think S.A. should not take sides as far as Israel and Palestine issues are concerned. It's sad to take side when you can't accept mandate to help in finding a lasting solution. Jews have been castigated and they've a right to protect themselves in the only land they call home. Where should they live if they can't live in their own Israel. Palestinians and Israelites must learn to live peacefully together. But S.A. government must stop being tjatjarag by taking sides.

  • johan.maree.5036 - 2012-08-23 17:10

    Hehe, imagine you are the Ismail guy, summoned you sit there (probably alone) on a chair in the middle of a room with say 10 people around you asking... "What the hell", I can see him shrugging his shoulders with hands and arms open saying; "I don't know, I just work here..."

      jaba.kov - 2012-08-24 06:33

      The fact that South Africa would send a Muslim to represent us in a Jewish state that is fighting for their life from fundamentalist Islamic world domination tells you how blind our government is. Not because our Minister is bad in any way – but from the message it portrays.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-08-24 07:07

      What does the minister's religion has to do with his competency as an ambassador. Nice try making this about religion. The Palestinian question is not about Jew vs Muslim, it never was. It is ideological, not racial or religious.

      jaba.kov - 2012-08-24 07:40

      1) it send a message that South Africa is picking sides - ie can not be an honest broker. 2) It is all about religion: plz google Hamas charter and realise why there is no, and never will be peace. Islam does not allow for peace: "Hamas's 1988 charter calls for the replacement of Israel and the Palestinian Territories with an Islamic Palestinian state." "Hamas co-founder Mahmoud Al-Zahar stated that he dreamed "of hanging a huge map of the world on the wall at my Gaza home which does not show Israel on it." " Ismail Haniyeh, the political leader of Hamas, said that if a Palestinian state was formed within the 1967 lines, Hamas was willing to declare a truce that could last as long as 20 years, and stated that Hamas will never recognize the "usurper Zionist government" and will continue "jihad-like movement until the liberation of Jerusalem"

      jaba.kov - 2012-08-24 07:43

      The Hamas Charter (or Covenant), issued in 1988, outlined the organization's position on many issues at the time, identifies Hamas as the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine and declares its members to be Muslims who "fear God and raise the banner of Jihad in the face of the oppressors." The charter states "our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories, and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel.

      jaba.kov - 2012-08-24 07:44

      The Charter also asserts that through shrewd manipulation of imperial countries and secret societies, Zionists were behind a wide range of events and disasters going as far back in history as the French Revolution. Among the charter's controversial statements is the following: "The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews [and kill them]; until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: Oh Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!"[38] The document also quotes Islamic religious texts to provide justification for fighting against and killing the Jews of Israel,[76] presenting the Arab-Israeli conflict as an inherently irreconcilable struggle between Jews and Muslims, and Judaism and Islam,[38] adding that the only way to engage in this struggle between "truth and falsehood" is through Islam and by means of jihad, until victory or martyrdom

      jaba.kov - 2012-08-24 07:50

      The Charter adds that "renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion" of Islam. The charter states that Hamas is humanistic, and tolerant of other religions as long as they do not block Hamas's efforts. i.e. kill us or we will kill you. Now keep in mind that Gaza has elected Hamas to lead them in a democratic election that took place in 2006 (BTW Hitler also came to power democratically) Let just conclude like this: if any other western nation had a neighbour like Hamas they would have completely destroyed their enemy; as the threats are on black and white. However Israel still remains hopeful that there will be peace one day - lying to themselves like you fidel, telling themselves that this conflict is not religious. I beg you to do some research in to Hamas and other fundamentalists and show me a glimmer of home of peace - not just in Israel fidel, but in India, Thailand, Malaysia, Sudan, Nigeria, Chechnya etc etc.

  • zapadela.tistarocha - 2012-08-23 18:08

    Israel annexed this Land whilst the world looked away, It's not and never will be Israel.......Israel itself was the British mandate of Palestine.....Who else ??

      jaba.kov - 2012-08-24 06:36

      World looked away??? Are you blind?? Israel was attacked by Jordan and Egypt and a few other Arab states in 1948. Israel won the WAR; Jordan lost the west bank while Egypt lost Gaza. Syria lost the Golan heights and Lebanon got their A$$ handed to them... If you start a war - don’t cry when you lose.

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-08-24 06:59

    A while ago someone forwarded me the text below. As a neutral observer I tried to find the lies, the the inaccuracies... see if you can : The Jews are NOT promoting brainwashing children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non-Muslims. The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselves up in German restaurants. There is NOT one single Jew who has destroyed a church. There is NOT a single Jew who protests by killing people. The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels. Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems. Muslims must ask 'what can they do for humankind' before they demand that humankind respects them.

      frank.mahler1 - 2012-08-25 06:30

      Churches have been desecrated recentlty. In addition 1948 and the Naqba saw the destruction of churches by zionists.

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-08-24 06:59

    Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more culpability on Israel 's part, the following two sentences really say it all: 'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel." Benjamin Netanyahu: General Eisenhower warned us. It is a matter of history that when the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death camps he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury the dead. He did this because he said in words to this effect: 'Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened'

  • jaba.kov - 2012-08-24 07:29

    Its funny, really our protestors hack the police to death. Our police mow down our protestors. Our crime rate is close to the highest in the world while unemployment is the worst in BRICS, toll gates, corruption, nepotism. But yes, let’s worry about where a fruit comes from. Let’s tell another country how to run their stuff; seeing that we are obviously proving so successful at it. Our few Government ministers who peruse these ‘racist’ and ‘hypocritical’ decisions should understand and respect the job that THEY have chosen to take, and the constitution THEY are thus paid to represent. It is South African first –Muslim second; if you don’t like it leave politics. If THEY had a similar approach in dealing with human rights oppressors and rouge regimes like Zimbabwe, Syria, Bahrain, Libya, Yemen, Sudan, China, the Kurds’ problems or Armenians or even Hamas atrocities themselves: then maybe I could accept their point of outlook as it would be balanced, however this “only Israel is dreadful” policy stinks of Friday prayers propaganda, especially as the only free and democratic Muslims in the Middle East are surprisingly the Muslim Citizens of the democratic state of Israel – think about it and do some research… you will be shocked at how pathetic our government looks to the world.

      frank.mahler1 - 2012-08-24 14:46

      Jeesh jaba cool story bro. Too Long : Didn't read! (TL:dr). Fact is this article is about produce labels and indicating to israel that we still see the difference between israel and the occupied territories. simple. all the rest is just nonsense.

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