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Jesus ad doesn’t fly with Catholics

2012-03-13 22:26

Johannesburg - The Red Bull energy drink's "Jesus walks on water" campaign should be cancelled, the SA Catholic Bishops' Conference (SACBC) said on Tuesday.

"We question the timing of the release of the advert - which seems to be part of an international campaign," spokesperson Cardinal Wilfred Napier said in a statement.

"While the Red Bull adverts are characterised by their cleverness, we believe that Red Bull South Africa have overstepped a mark."

Napier said the SACBC welcomed the halting of the campaign, but asked Red Bull SA to cancel it completely.

Sensitivity training

"We also suggest that the marketing team and their advertising and public relations companies make a serious effort to attend sensitivity training. People are more than consumers and faith-based symbols are more than marketing opportunities."

The advert depicts a cartoon "Jesus" in a boat with two disciples. He proclaims he is bored and steps out of the boat and walks on the water.

A disciple asks whether he is able to do so because he has drunk Red Bull, which "gives you wings", or because it is a miracle.

"It's no miracle, you just have to know where the stepping stones are," Jesus replies.

He nearly slips and says, "Jesus!"

Napier said the SACBC was grateful that many South Africans, from different faiths and religions, had registered their displeasure with the campaign at Red Bull SA, and with the Advertising Standards Authority of SA.

Dangerous territory

"In a multi-faith country like South Africa, where over 70% of people profess to be people of faith, the use of faith-based symbols in a satirical, if tongue-in-check manner, is guaranteed to cause a reaction."

Napier said Catholics should "fast" from displaying and consuming Red Bull until Easter, to send a message to the company.

"In this way, Red Bull SA will understand that the idea that there is 'no such thing as bad publicity' is dangerous territory when it comes to mocking religious symbols," he said.

Napier suggested that people donate the money they would have spent on Red Bull to charities.

Red Bull SA was not immediately available for comment.

Comments
  • Dave Prinsloo - 2012-03-13 22:41

    I vow to consume four times more red bull between now and easter, to off-set the called-for losses, so red bull can continue pushing boundaries. They are known for their support of all things extreme, after all.

      Phillie - 2012-03-14 00:01

      And I hope you OD

      Brandon - 2012-03-14 07:11

      @Dave - Will they try this with the Moslem Religion? and please tell me why not?

      Neil - 2012-03-14 09:23

      @Phillie Thats not very christian of you, wishing death on others.

      Garth - 2012-03-14 10:27

      @neil - sorry, you are incorrect, that is VERY christian of phillie. And one should never be surprised at the lack of tolerance shown by religious ignorants to their non-ignorants fellow humans making fun of religion. Religious intolerance - I'll second that!

      lindz.kok - 2012-03-14 10:35

      i must be a wayward son, for i proclaim to be christian but i swear that apon meeting a fool like you i will mercylessly disfigure your face with my fists! :) and happy easter to everyone...

      lindz.kok - 2012-03-14 11:38

      i apoligise everyone, how could i be so ignorant arogant and stupid to think that i have have the right to fight for my culture and religion. its realy time for me to grow up and realise that us christian white folk has screwed up the world as we know it. damn why couldnt i of been another race and religion... have a sence of humour people.

      Piet - 2012-03-15 15:45

      May God have mercy on your soul.

  • Gichumz - 2012-03-13 22:42

    Blasphamy!!!

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-03-13 23:11

      Double whammy blasphamy! Jesus was a good guy. I reckon he would have enjoyed the joke. Probably would have turned the Red Bull into Play, just to show he wasn't cross.

      Dave Prinsloo - 2012-03-13 23:39

      \blasphemy\, to be precise

      Siphiwo - 2012-03-15 11:27

      Maserati you just cracked me up!

  • Andrew - 2012-03-13 22:44

    Hey my catholic friends, what is the problem with this ad? It wasn't telling people to use condoms in order to prevent the spread of HIV/AIDS!!! Now that would be a sin!!!

      Bokang Motshabi Naledi Millioner - 2012-03-13 23:09

      It mt nt concern cndms

      seanpresherhughes_1 - 2012-03-14 03:56

      Bokang - what language is that from, can't you at least take the time to write full sentences?

      Xavier7034 - 2012-03-14 08:09

      SMS "speak" - no vowels..... :-)

      Martin - 2012-03-14 09:59

      What would Jesus do? He said: "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."

      Guy - 2012-03-14 10:25

      Maybe it should have advocated women abuse and condone the murder of disrespectful children. Ofcourse those are in the rule book after all.

  • Nicholas - 2012-03-13 22:46

    Funny how they always pick on Christianity to mock .. its become an easy soft target. Why don't they have a shot at Islam next time and see what happens?

      Dave Prinsloo - 2012-03-13 22:51

      uhm.. I think because crispies present themselves as vulnerable sheep, and muslims present themselves as oversensitive holy warriors with 'ceremonial' daggers in stead of crosses. Different brand strategies.

      Max - 2012-03-14 01:23

      Ok Dave, I am a Christian and proud of it but I must give it to you, that is really funny!

      Hugo - 2012-03-14 06:07

      Nicholas It shows that they also believe in the teachings of our Lord. i.e love your neighbour as you love yourself,those who live by the sword die by it(no violence) etc .They will never mess with you know who,never!

      sally.fryer1 - 2012-03-14 07:19

      Good point. However, do Christians realise how many foods they are consuming bearing the Halaal stamp? Even, ironically, on Easter eggs!

      Paul - 2012-03-14 07:39

      "A ridiculous belief, even if sincerely believed, is no less ridiculous." Eric Nowell

      Paul - 2012-03-14 07:50

      @ Sally. What gives me a great kick Sally is taking a black marker and making the atheist secret symbol, the "sunflower" on all religious food brands i come across in the supermarket .You see, with the first bite they are all going straight to hell!!

      Cpo - 2012-03-14 08:13

      Good point Nic>>>>>>

      Martin - 2012-03-14 09:59

      What would Jesus do? He said: "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."

      Piet - 2012-03-15 15:47

      The Muslim extremists will blow up the red cow factory...thats why.

  • Renier - 2012-03-13 22:52

    They should have tried this with the Muslim Faith and see their factories go up in smoke. It is time Christians do the same! The toleration of the mocking of religious symbols has got nothing to with a sense of humor. I for one, will never drink red bull again.

      Dave Prinsloo - 2012-03-13 22:56

      and you'll be healthier for it. I have unfortunately now taken a vow to consume a lot in protest, at my own peril!! God, I hate vows

      Renier - 2012-03-13 23:20

      Read my complete comment and comment on the full picture. To compare my God (and the God of millions)to Chuck Norris, or any other person for that matter, is another insult to all Christians. Do you have the guts to insult Mohammed and publish your address at the same time. I don't think so, for exactly the same reason the Red Bull company will not insult Mohammed. There are enough topics to find humorous - Leave the religion of people alone.

      phil.botha1 - 2012-03-13 23:23

      A sense of humour is maybe what keeps us all sane. Everyone knows a few good irish catholic jokes, and some of them are a lot worse than the ad!

      Mandu Ngcobo - 2012-03-14 00:12

      Yes, killing people for a little joke is a brilliant idea, isn't it?

      Isabel - 2012-03-14 00:59

      Get a life, Renier, and a sense of humour. Last time I checked freedom of speech was still enshrined in our constitution. You can say what you like but no-one else must, is that it? What makes your views so special? So you won't drink Red Bull again. Woop. I'm sure they're devastated. Get over yourself. I think it's a great campaign and I loved it. I'll be Drinking lots of Red Bull in future just because of you!

      Juan - 2012-03-14 03:28

      Well Isabel, freedom of speech has certian limitations.

      seanpresherhughes_1 - 2012-03-14 04:01

      More for me!

      seanpresherhughes_1 - 2012-03-14 04:13

      Cheers! Isabel :-)

      kellyn - 2012-03-14 07:03

      @Isabel - Why is it that everyone can have their say about Christians/Christianity, but the minute us Christians say something we get nailed for it?

      koo.doyle - 2012-03-14 07:20

      I'm sure red bull will be crushed Renier. Eejit.

      Alfred - 2012-03-14 07:35

      @ Renier. Sounds like you are envious of those rabid muslims. Are you seriously advocating the burning down of factories because of an innocuous little joke. That sounds sick, twisted and demented to me. You are an example of what religion does to people. By the way your religious symbol, the christian cross, is an instrument of torture, a very fitting symbol given christianity's bloody history. But then again I suppose I am not supposed to point that out. Are you going to threaten to burn my house down now?

      Skuiter - 2012-03-14 07:59

      william, so i can call your father a raping pedophile and your mother a slut, and you will think it is funny? Please, there's humour then there's respect for others. Grow up.

      Skuiter - 2012-03-14 08:00

      ja isabel, jou konstitusie verseker ook dat wanneer jy vanaand onder die rooi lig in kerkstraat jou geld maak, jy die reg het om te vra vir 'n kondoom en 'n koppie tee.

      Skuiter - 2012-03-14 08:26

      nee william, daar is mense wat hulle hele toewy aan hul geloof en ware liefde vir hul god voel. Dis net oordentlik om mense en waarin hulle te glo te respekteer, al glo jyself nie daarin nie.

      chantalvv3 - 2012-03-14 08:44

      @Isabel. Maybe you should grow up (and then get a life?). "Freedom of speech is enshrined in our constitution". I didn't know that the very same constitution you so cleverly refer to allows for discrimination - which is essentially what this is. If we as Christians do not have the right to speak out against something that clearly belittles and defames our religion, through what is clearly a lack of respect towards Christianity, we are being discriminated against. As you are obviously not a Christian, why do you even bother commenting? It doesn't affect you or any morals you may have, so enjoy the "great campaign" and drink yourself into a stupor with Red Bull. By the by: the fact that many other people all over the world - from all different religions - are standing against this “great campaign” shows their inherent respect towards other people and their religions. You have successfully managed to demonstrate your lack thereof by posting your drivel.

      JodiAllemeier - 2012-03-14 08:55

      Yes, lets all stoop to the level of extremists & terrorists. The violent reactions of fundamentalists is not a very good yard stick of morality, surely? The amount of mocking of Muslims here is also poor. So Red Bull can't produce a funny add that inlcudes Jesus, but you so-called "christians" can disrespect and stereotyp Muslisms in order to get your point across about how angry you are? Agree with all the other atheists commenting here - we are entitled for free speech, even free speech about atheism and religion.

      Carol - 2012-03-14 09:47

      I agree Renier but thankfully we are not the ones meting out the justice on people who blaspheme against God - God is more tolerant and gives them time to repent. "Galatians 6.7 Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap". Sadly the people who believe it is "ok" to do this will reap the harvest they have planted. Pray for them

      Martin - 2012-03-14 09:58

      What would Jesus do? He said: "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."

      Alfred - 2012-03-14 11:24

      @Skuiter: Did the ad accuse Jesus of raping anyone or Mary of being a slut. It was about walking on water for f.sake. Idiot!

      Shayne - 2012-03-14 12:01

      Shame William, you sound like an Intelligent, sardonic Athiest or Satanist who's bored with life and that's because you've probably experienced every fleshly pleasure there is to try and at the end of it all you're still empty in your soul, my bru. Now you're taking your anger & frustration on Christians because you're too cowardly to pick on the Muslims. How right am I so far, Bra?

      jody.beggs - 2012-03-15 16:46

      There is no evidence for your God , its a myth you where suckered into... Damn the man.

  • Gianna - 2012-03-13 22:56

    The implication that Jesus didn't actually walk on water but used stepping stones...undermines His authority...and seems a bit blasphemous to me...

      Mauritz Venter - 2012-03-14 06:11

      Zaatheist, you make me think of a delusional fever induced dream

      Jacqueline - 2012-03-14 07:13

      Jesus/God was not the author of the bible. It was written by men who wrote about God and His son, Jesus. At least get your facts straight if you're going to slam Christianity.

      Mickey - 2012-03-14 07:16

      Maybe he did walk on water the first time he tried it, who knows?? But now that he has those pesky crucifiction nail holes in his feet, he needs the stepping stones.... or a Red Bull!

      Jason - 2012-03-14 08:09

      Not really it says that it impossible walk on water and people other than Jesus have used this trick to appear as they are walking on water. So really its a logical explanation to an otherwise impossible act.

      Carol - 2012-03-14 10:59

      Mickey those holes in his hands and feet were for you

      Mickey - 2012-03-14 14:27

      @Carol. And that was a nice gesture, if it happened. The following gods were also crucified to save their followers from their sins: Crishna, Sakia, Thammuz, Wittoba, Iao, Hesus, Quexalcote, Quirinus, Prometheus, Thulis, Bali, Indra, Alcestos, Atys, Crite & Mithra. Most share almost identical stories to Jesus: Virgin Birth, born in a barn, 3 wise men followed a star, gifts, fled from infantcide when the king heard about their birth, taught in the church at a young age, healed the sick, turned water into wine, walked on water, raised the dead and performed other miracles, had 12 desciples, preaching, betrayal, crucifiction, ressurection. Sound familiar?? Some of these date back to over 1200BC, a millenium before Jesus. So unless someone comes up with actual, scientifically proven, verified, documented, independant eyewitness accounts or other physical scientific proof of the events in the bible, I choose not to just follow blindly. But again, nice gesture... I'll have to thank 17 gods now...

      Carol - 2012-03-19 10:59

      Mickey - Historical writings confirmed he lived - the date we write every day confirmed he lived. I am glad I believe and that I am loved as we all are no matter what. One thing God gave us is free will to choose. Josephus was a Jewish historian who was born in either 37 or 38 AD and died some time after 100 AD. He wrote the Jewish Antiquites and in one famous passage described Jesus as a wise man, a doer of wonderful works and calls him the Christ. He also affirmed that Jesus was executed by Pilate and actually rose from the dead! 2) Thallus and Phlegon - Both were ancient historians and both confirmed the fact that the land went dark when Jesus was crucified. This parallels what the Bible said happened when Jesus died.

  • mishtery - 2012-03-13 22:59

    I am not a Catholic but I don't appreciate this ad either. It's teaching society that there is nothing wrong with making a mockery of the Son of God. There is really no good way for me to look at this.

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-03-13 23:24

      Rest assured, Michelle. Jesus has seen much worse than us modern day reprobates. Nothing we say or do can ever undo the good he has done for mankind. That is why I don't understand the Catholic view. It is almost as if they think they are powerful enough to defend Jesus. This seems like arrogance to me. Zoom out a million miles from earth and try to locate our planet. See? We are nothing, but still we are part of everything. Nothing of which we can control.

      Marion - 2012-03-14 09:51

      @maseratifittipaldi - I think the Catholic Church with a billion followers is definitely powerful enough to defend Jesus. Red Bull are going to need wings to survive this one.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-14 14:34

      Son of who's god, where is he/she/it. Other that the fairy tales in books where is the evidence?

  • charmaine.rowlands - 2012-03-13 23:06

    i'm not Catholic and i found this commercial to be both insensitive and blasphemous. I for one, will never drink Red Bull again! Other faiths would not tolerate this kind of mockery. Take it off air, it's below the line!

      zaatheist - 2012-03-14 04:05

      Hold on there, charmaine, before you can establish blasphemy you have two intermediate steps: (1) present evidence that your deity exists, at all, and (2) present evidence that said deity is against free speech. Got evidence?

      Charl - 2012-03-14 08:25

      @zaatheist: That is exactly the problem most religious people have with some atheists. Nobody here challenged you on facts that a deity actually exists - stick to the topic! It is about basic respect for others! Why do some (not all!) atheists feel compelled to verbally attack religious people? Even your alias screams "Look at me! Look at me!" Trying to make a statement? Stick to the topic and leave your quest for the fact finding on whether a god exists for the appropriate forum.

      J-Man - 2012-03-14 08:27

      So what now...Monster only?

      Fritz - 2012-03-14 08:30

      oh, I just realised: ZAATHEIST is fake. I did some research, and its a UK user. Seems he spends his days trolling forums to share his profound wisdom. I was wondering why he feels obliged to comment on every single religious topic. Seriously obsessed!

      Gary - 2012-03-14 10:00

      zaatheist, question how did the big bang begin? Prove that there was not divine intervention! Plus atheism is a new age religion, you believe, if you can't see it, it isn't there! So you try to prove your values are right! Sounds like defending your faith!

      Carol - 2012-03-14 11:03

      To Zaatheist - when you sit down to write the date every day - this is your evidence - you are writing around the man who lived - AD or BC. Historical writings written by non Christians in Jesus era confirmed it all - he lived. Do some non biblical studies and then read the bible - the truth will set you free

      jody.beggs - 2012-03-15 17:01

      @Charl rich.. Over the centuries who have killed in the name of their religion i.e. people killed for Jesus and America still does it today. To you know what God did ? If he were human he'd be up for war crimes killing babies and humanitarian crimes for condoning stoning of [gays , Atheist , witches , lying children , rape survivors and non-believers] as-well as demanding animal and human sacrifices. Even if only one person was killed by God it would still make him evil ! And zaatheist bring up a good point , before there can be blasphemy there has to be proof of a deity or God not man made evidence or hear-say. Its easy to blindly believe but can you be strong enough to ask the right questions... Damn the man.

      jody.beggs - 2012-03-15 17:05

      @Carol you sheeple. All the accounts of Jesus where made after his death not during his life. Its easy to write after the fact with people telling you what to write. Do you know the God you pray to , would you still pray if you knew he deliberately killed babies ? Or is that not important to you ? Damn the man.

  • phil.botha1 - 2012-03-13 23:18

    People need to lighten up! Most Christians (or people of other faiths for that matter) know at least one 'Jesus" joke, or a joke regarding a particular religion. We need to learn to laugh at ourselves! Recognise the cleverness of the ad rather

      Philip - 2012-03-15 11:21

      Who are you? My brother? or.... my brother's son?

  • jason.joao - 2012-03-13 23:19

    I'm generally open-minded and take things with a pinch of salt easily, but I can see how this is going a bit too far.

      Mike - 2012-03-15 06:57

      Agreed. I can't help thinking that Red Bull have done this on purpose knowing that it will create a big disruption and get people talking.

  • robbieyahu - 2012-03-13 23:23

    by telling an anti-religious person to respect religion is like telling a black person to respect the ku-klux-klan .... nothing wrong with that add ...hehehe i will buy more red bull now ...ohh those catholics ... christians .... muslims .... hindu's ... etc ... religion is EVIL PERIOD !

      Isabel - 2012-03-14 01:02

      Couldn't agree more! It's asking people to deny logic and insult their own intelligence. Fine. But don't shove it downmy throat or ask me to do the same.

      chantalvv3 - 2012-03-14 08:53

      oh, wow! you are so clever with your words! and funny! sadly you are missing the point, though. you don't believe in anything and that is your absolute right. Christians believe in God and that is their right. if you have any intelligence or logic - as you claim - this should surely make sense to you. of course I am not so sure of your abilities, so let's see what nonsense you come up with next.

      Marion - 2012-03-14 09:54

      @Isabel - you don't mind religion being shoved down your throat when it is mocked. Do you take the same stance when ads are derogatory about women?

      Garth - 2012-03-14 10:40

      @marion: seriously women vs religion? Did you really mean that inane comparison? Lets see - Wommen: tangible - oh yeah, I mean, yes! visible - yes, yes, yes! proof of existence - oh, most definitely, yesss! audible - well, okay, yes. religion: should I even bother?

      Garth - 2012-03-14 10:42

      `Wommen' did I really post that? Well, I suppose a double `m' could result in all sorts of connotations . . .

      Kameomaua - 2012-03-14 16:03

      @robbieyahu Poor logic, Robbie, poor. Atheists believe there is no God. Agnostics are not sure whether there is a God or not. Neither of these groups should be ANTI-religion. People of faith - any genuine faith - do not waylay them, attack them, have clandestine nocturnal meetings to plan their demise. However, that was what the Ku-klux-klan members did. You cannot compare the two. There is NO reason for a non-believer to feel about Christians and their religion the way an African American would have felt about the ku-klux-klan.

      Kameomaua - 2012-03-14 16:08

      @ Robbie. Furthermore, the issue is that society should respect the individual's faith system and values. We may not believe in the god (small letter) of a particular faith system, but we need to respect the individual believer's faith in that god..... because for him or her it is of great importance.

      Kameomaua - 2012-03-14 16:16

      @ Garth. When one WANTS to be blind and lack reason because it suits one's position on a matter, it seems easy to misread/interpret postings. Marion has a good point. So many people posting here are quite happy to join in the mockery of Christianity, and Catholicism, in particular, because you consider yourselves outside this circle (and very superior to the members that belong to this circle). What if YOU yourself were the butt of the joke??? If someone made a mockery of something that is DEAR to you - if you have anything that is actually dear to you. What if the joke was on your wife, your mother, your children? There could be even more personal and sensitive issues that I could think of as far as men are concerned. WOULD YOU STILL LAUGH?????

      Adi - 2012-03-14 19:14

      So in other words, you have now empowered yourself to have respect for mothing and nobody, including yourself.

      jody.beggs - 2012-03-15 17:16

      @Kameomaua when , in history a group kill another group because they are different that's evil. And that intolerance and evil still follows the Christian religion. The only way to rid the world of this evil is to destroy the system that's allowing it to flourish, religion. I have to laugh when Christians feel a bit a pressure from atheists but when it was the other way around people where being tortured , burned , drowned , raped and murdered for being [gay, non-believer , atheist , rape survivor , lyre , witch etc ] When Christians apologize for the way they have treated different people through the ages more people will accept that Christians are OK. When Christians openly stop lying for Jesus by manipulating scientific data and forcing creationism and ID (Intelligent Design) as scientific theories then we can work together. When Christians admit they could be wrong and that there might not be a God , then we can start moving in the right direction. Damn the man.

  • Hanno Zeeman - 2012-03-13 23:27

    Bad taste. Even people who believe in nothing should have the common decency to respect other peoples beliefs. Especially international Corporate citizens. Im not a bible basher, but I wont Drink it again.

      davieoosie - 2012-03-13 23:45

      God is not someone to make jokes of. I find this disgusting. No Red Bull ever in my house again!!! And I will forward this to all my fellow Christians to protest against it.

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-03-14 00:08

      God looks after you, not the other way around Hanno. Don't let advertising get your goat, even if it is in bad taste. Ignore it. God will take action, or not - as He decides.

      seanpresherhughes_1 - 2012-03-14 04:27

      And you obey EVERY other commandment - Yea right, Jesus drank alcohol he did not even bother about drinking much water! After church on Sunday, see you in the pub right after you had your sip of wine tasting!

      Kameomaua - 2012-03-14 16:20

      @ Sean: Your point being........ ?

      Kameomaua - 2012-03-14 16:26

      @ Tania Of course, God can look after himself. Where is your idea of loyalty? If your husband is a large, powerful KArate expert, and someone mocks him to your face, would you simply smile, nod your head and say "Tell me more'? Christians believe that Christ in His unfathomable love for us suffered a most awful death to save us. Should we stand by and accept that people who understand NOTHING about the Bible and its message, mock him?

      jody.beggs - 2012-03-15 17:20

      If God was loving he's have a good laugh. But he's not , now he's pissed and someone is going to get punished ... Damn the man.

      jody.beggs - 2012-03-15 17:20

      @TaniaSandraSteyn God helps those who help themselves , so who needs God ? Damn the man.

  • Anthony Roberts - 2012-03-13 23:54

    I am all for humor , I believe Jesus has a sense of humor , I am Not romn cathlc , but geez guys it's hard enough believing all the stuff in the bible , do we need mainstream advertising to take a stab

      Shayne - 2012-03-14 12:20

      Sorry, are you sitting on the fence or have you taken a side here?

  • Mandu Ngcobo - 2012-03-13 23:54

    Argh! I knew this would happen. Typical

  • elmarie.olivier1 - 2012-03-13 23:58

    Has no one ever learnt yet - don't mock the Bible, Jesus or God - do so at your own peril! This is definitely in bad taste and taking things too far!

      charmaine.rowlands - 2012-03-14 00:17

      Our God is NOT mocked. Ask yourselves this, unbelievers, what happens if there's even a 1% chance that you're wrong.... wanna take that bet on eternity? I don't think so

      zaatheist - 2012-03-14 05:26

      @Balstrome "Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we go to church we're just making him madder and madder." - Homer Simpson

      pmjulie - 2012-03-14 08:52

      I am a catholic, but I respect other religions. There is a higher power out there, whatever you choose to call it. I don't believe that it's about picking the right religion, it's about what you believe in and living a life that is fulfilled and full of love, generosity and all the other good stuff :)

      James - 2012-03-14 09:26

      Zaathiest seriously, you're going to quote homer simpson, his intellegence is something you look up to and admire, says alot for your other comments if that is where you take your inspiration and understanding from.

      barbz.griffith - 2012-03-14 09:42

      @Balstrome - the question Balstrome is... what if Charmaine is right? Then what?

      Anwar - 2012-03-14 10:22

      @ James.. ive been following the religious debates and its always been the same comments and garabage spilled on these forums by non-believers. za-atheist formerly known as GodFrey has the same things to say every time and the Homer Simpson comment sort of his trademark.. his life changing moment was probably when he watched Homer say that on TV I think that these people dont exist.. just bots posting the same things over and over.

      jody.beggs - 2012-03-15 17:34

      @barbz.griffith if you are using a computer, own a cellphone and drive a car , you completely believe in science and technology. Science is based on truth and fact's, testable by anybody with curiosity. Science has taught us many things that God has not , its healed people , increased our lifespan , cured countless diseases that God apparently made , starting to understand the universe and planet earth and uses many common sense and hard-work to constantly improve society and has improved every persons life on the planet today. Religion is based on faith and a book written and edited by man. Condones murder of [gays , rape survivors , atheists , non-believers , witches , lyres just about anybody *...] demanded animal and human sacrifices , is sexist and intolerant to any other world view. No facts or evidence just a peer pressure, fear inducing hysteria needed to keep the cult going. * http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/09/biblical-justice-everybody-must-get.html Which one would a smart person like yourself choose ? Damn the man.

  • seanpresherhughes_1 - 2012-03-14 03:47

    Going to fast til Easter? "cutting your nose to spite your face" ? They are the only people that are going to suffer as a result and as far as I can believe, fasting doesn't involve not drinking soft drinks!

      Shayne - 2012-03-14 12:24

      We fast anyway until Easter. It's Lent, China. Now we just got to add Red Bull to our list of no no's

  • seanpresherhughes_1 - 2012-03-14 04:11

    Very clever of them - You are all giving Red Bull free publicity every time you mention their brand!

      zaatheist - 2012-03-14 05:30

      It is called the Striesand effect. Silly buggers (literally)!

      Shayne - 2012-03-14 12:25

      Yippee, let's all achieve our life's dreams & eternal success through clever advertising. Shame the thihgs that impress you, bru.

  • Jaco van Lelyveld - 2012-03-14 04:45

    God will not be mocked!

      zaatheist - 2012-03-14 05:31

      It seems to be an obligatory opinion of people who believe in mockable and ridiculous things that they will oppose mockery and ridicule. I’m afraid there is no magical exemption — there isn’t a set of stupid beliefs that you get to set on a pedestal and declare that no one can call them stupid.

      rlong1952 - 2012-03-14 07:58

      zaatheist, derrickvanzyl and Balstrome, you won't be the first people or the last to be wrong about God and realise it sometime in the future. I would choose my words very carefully.I don't believe God goes around with a bolt of lightning in his hand and strikes those dead who insult Him, BUT, somehow, someday you will pay for what you say. Just remember that. Indeed, God will not be mocked, remember these words when you stand face to face with Him one day to give account of your life. I know you think I am deluded, crazy, insane etc etc as you so readily post in your replies, but to be sure I don't give a rat's ass about what you think about me, but just remember those words, God will not be mocked, they may just come back to haunt you someday.

      NrGx - 2012-03-14 08:28

      "God will not be mocked" - well if their is a God and Jesus then he is making a mockery of his "children". Many die of poverty, babies are born with defects, the world is in turmoil, many die in natural / "godly" disasters. Tell me why would someone who supposedly loves us all, put us through hell? Test our faith? I dont put my child through living hell to test his love for me! i dont wait for my child to make a mistake and throw him in the fire (hell) to burn for eternity. If we were made in his own image, how can we be so imperfect?

      chantalvv3 - 2012-03-14 09:01

      @zaatheist. And I suppose there is a "magical exemption" that gives YOU the right to mock them and impose your silly little opinion whenever someone else has an opinion that differs from yours? For someone who does not believe in God you are very interested in all the hype around this subject and have a lot to say. PS: as you so desperately do not believe in the existence of God, it would probably be best for you to change from atheist to agnostic. I don't mind explaining the difference if you don't understand. :-)

      rlong1952 - 2012-03-14 09:03

      NrGx....if we were made in his own image, how can we be so imperfect? Because we choose to be like that. Don't blame God for all those things you named. 99.99999999999999999% of all misery that man suffers is brought upon by himself.

      rlong1952 - 2012-03-14 09:22

      chantalvv3... well said, I have long maintained and said on these forums that zaatheist et al spend an enormous amount of time and energy on insulting God and all those who just so happen to have a different opinion from themselves. I would never devote so much energy into trying to insult or disprove something I don't believe in. The very thing they accuse Christians of, intolerance, is the one thing they are masters at. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, they are such hypocrites. I try to ignore them but they are getting a bit much now with their insults, perhaps it is time to fight fire with fire. They are ignorant morons who think they are wise beyond everyone else. They are sad and deluded people whom I think have a nagging at the back of their minds that they may just be wrong. They can hate me, call me all kinds of names etc, to quote my earlier post, I don't give a rats ass what they think of me. It is just so irritating to read what they have to say and sad to see such tunnel vision.

      chantalvv3 - 2012-03-14 09:30

      @RLong. I couldn't agree with you more. Yes, everybody has the right to their opionion. I respect that, but why they want to make such a big deal out of the fact we, as Christians, voice ours boggles the mind. Bottom line is this: we do not like the advertisement for reasons that we, as Christians, understand. Of course we don't expect others to, but what we do expect of them is to respect our right to have our say about this ad. The debate regarding religion and the existence of God, et al. has got nothing to do with the topic at hand: how we feel about the Red Bull ad! (in the words of my 11-year old: DUH!)

      jody.beggs - 2012-03-15 17:36

      @RLong so you believe in the reformed loving God and not the God of the Bible , who was always full of wrath ? Damn the man.

  • Karmah - 2012-03-14 04:46

    Nando's has taught you well Red bull. lol

  • brionyl.french - 2012-03-14 05:12

    Seriously??? These complaints are now getting pathetic!!! Im starting to get sick of bible bashers

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-14 08:45

      I am not a bible brasher, but I know that if you allowed a line to be stretched every time you end up with no line. Religious fanatics can be a dangerous specie, but religion also keeps order, standards and when practice correctly cause a conscience. To belittle it, makes it a norm to bash it and the respect disappear. Your next moaning about will be that the lack of good society standards does not exist, but you were part of not showing respect for others, that indirectly is the reason for keeping the standards alive.

      chantalvv3 - 2012-03-14 09:13

      no one is forcing you to participate. why don't you go looking for a website or chatroom where you can share your ideas on how to further disrespect different religious groups? What's next for you: racial discrimination? No difference - just in case you wanted to make a fuss. Both come down to a lack of respect for your fellow man. Have any?

      Garth - 2012-03-14 10:53

      @b.f - you just starting . . .? @DTC - a line that is allowed to be stretched is probably a piece of elastic, so stretching is in its composition, kinda like the lines in all religious tenets. But, if that is stretching things a bit far then I'm all for the abolition of lines. Equating religion with `good society standards' is making a lie of all the evils that religion has disgorged upon this earth. Do not even begin to reply to this . . ..

      Kameomaua - 2012-03-14 16:33

      @ Chantal: Good for you, girl. Go for it. I second you all the way.

  • Hugo - 2012-03-14 06:02

    It simply shows that the life of Our Lord impacted on people more than they would like to admit.

      Garth - 2012-03-14 10:54

      Says he with a Kalashnikov as avatar. Religious hypocrisy knows no bounds, eh?

      Shayne - 2012-03-14 12:35

      Oooh bitchy, Garth. I'm trying to work whether Christians are allowed to bear ill feeling &, if necessary, defend their faith by whatever means, based on the Christian premise that Christians must hate Evil?

      Hugo - 2012-03-14 12:58

      Garth for the umpteenth time,guns are not the problem,people are.So Imagine that christians arent supposed to watch Top Gun because in your tiny little brain that would qualify as hypocrisy since fighter jets sometimes drop off bombs resulting in human fatalities.Grow up!

      Tolive - 2012-03-14 14:39

      Garth - the reality is that most if not all wars can be traced back to faith - wars are physical extensions of the spiritual battle between good and evil. The Bible teaches us to put evil idolaters to the sword - a gun is a modern sword - I like your gun Hugo. Keep an eye on Israel and see how they put Iran and their moon god worshippers to the sword soon. So actually guns are very relevant to the discussion.

      Dale - 2012-03-14 21:18

      Very true indeed Hugo. I agree 100%. I don't think we will ever be able to count the death toll, injured and sexually assaulted by religious dogma. Remember the brutal christian crusades, the pogroms, witch burnings, the great inquisition, catholic molestation of children. Oh yes sir the impact was more than christians would like to admit!!!

  • Hugo - 2012-03-14 06:10

    ok RedBull, since you are always pushing frontiers how about a Muhammad ad? while at that make your adresses available to the public.

      Truthis - 2012-03-14 08:23

      You just commited blasphemy against muslims by not including 'Peace be upon him' after naming the prophet. More to the point though...are you saying blasphemy is okay as long as every religion gets blasphemed? And if yours is the only true religion how can blasphemy be committed against a false/non existent god?

      Ian - 2012-03-14 08:33

      how about giving your address right here, you mentioned his name, the muslims wanna bomb u nowwwwwwwww

      chantalvv3 - 2012-03-14 09:17

      @truthis. Read Hugo's post again. He is simply saying that just as it is not ok for Jesus - and therefore Christianity to be mocked - it is not ok for Islam or any other religion. He is also saying that if Red Bull thinks it's ok to disrespect Christianity by making this ad, why is it ONLY Christianity. In case you didn't know: this is not the first time Red Bull has done something like this. I don't believe Hugo is advocating that Red Bull make a mockery of Islam, he is just trying to make a point. Read carefully before you go off on a tangent.

      Kameomaua - 2012-03-14 16:41

      @ Truthis: NO, Hugo is implying that Red Bull would not dream of using the prophet in their ad, because of the repercussions that would have. (cf the Scandinavian debacle). But, of course, with the Christian religion it does not matter. Every sacred aspect of the Christian religion is a free-for-all.

  • Willem - 2012-03-14 06:14

    Weren't catholics the ones responsible for burning people ?????

      Hugo - 2012-03-14 07:01

      ja? so?

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-14 08:50

      ....and are they to only believers? Yes, the article is about them criticizing the add, but seeing in contact, questioning there statement by bringing in their history makes the add alright when looking at the point that they made?

  • Pixie86 - 2012-03-14 06:22

    i feel so sorry for these liberal non believers who every week take a swipe at our faith! At the end of it all we'll see if all this bashing did you any good.

      arthurbrigg - 2012-03-14 07:02

      Well, when the worms eat you and you cease to exist, and there's no heaven or hell you won't know anyway. Besides, if your "faith" is strong you wouldn't care what anyone said about your religion.

      Marion - 2012-03-14 10:09

      @aardvarkie - heaven and hell exist right here on earth. It is offensive that anyone insults my religion. I am sure there are many things in life that you find offensive. You have that right. We have our right to find this offensive. Do you recall how offended the blind were about the Nando's ad with the woman's guide dog leading her straight into the telephone pole? This is no different. Mockery is not acceptable in any form, and this is mockery of someone who billions around the world revere.

      Garth - 2012-03-14 10:56

      @aardvarkie - another pertinent post.

      Kameomaua - 2012-03-14 16:47

      @ aardvark: It is not about how strong your faith is; it is about your loyalty towards the object of your faith, in this case: Christ. And the deeper our faith is, the more loyal we are toward the object of our faith - and the more we have the right to speak up against people who mock it.

  • Chesron de Vries - 2012-03-14 06:23

    I agree that they should take it off!

  • Ian - 2012-03-14 06:30

    democracy and freedom of speech, oops just like our government only if it suits them, asswipes

  • Roschelle - 2012-03-14 06:38

    We must insist that there must be no mockery of any religion, by advertsing agenciess, no so the less about Christianity. BOTTOMLINE.

      Alfred - 2012-03-14 08:39

      And the next step must be absolutely no critisim of any religion, no matter how absurd, ridicules and just plain looney their beliefs, dogma, rituals and behaviour. Let theofascism rule!

  • Milton Mthokozisi Sibanda - 2012-03-14 06:39

    totaly wrong image and message sent about Jesus,pple of the earth taking advantage since I read this no to red bull!

  • Vince.York - 2012-03-14 06:41

    NO "RED BULL" until AD3050 is appropriate!

  • arthurbrigg - 2012-03-14 06:46

    I think it's brilliant. There was actually a documentary a few years back hypothesizing as to how Jesus walked on water and one of them was about stones lying just under the surface. Anyway, if the Muslims want to murder cartoonists over drawing Allah then Red Bull should expect similar flak from the Catholics.

      Wendy - 2012-03-14 07:59

      Then how come Peter sank when he took his eyes off Jesus?

      arthurbrigg - 2012-03-14 08:24

      Maybe he didn't know where the stones were...

  • arthurbrigg - 2012-03-14 06:49

    I can understand though why this ruffles a few feathers on Catholics wiiiings - maybe he was stoned. Sorry, couldn't resist ;-)

  • Marché Grobler - 2012-03-14 06:51

    Ad doesn't fly with me either. No more Red Bull for me ever, just out of principal.

      Mike - 2012-03-15 07:15

      and principle too

  • raymond.kok3 - 2012-03-14 06:52

    THEY WOULD NOT EVEN HAVE CONSIDERED THE ADD IF THE NAME OF ALLAH WAS MENTIONED ANYWHERE IN IT SO, GREGORY JUST LEAVE IT BE I FOR ONE IS GLAD THAT IT HAS BEEN CANNED AND I AM NOT CATHOLIC

      Alfred - 2012-03-14 08:45

      So basically what you are advocating is a race to the bottom among religions, with each trying to be more rabid than the next. Yeah and people wonder why we atheists are anti-religion. Like zaatheist said; "fatwa envy".

  • sjg7373 - 2012-03-14 06:54

    Seriously!!!! God must be so offended. No one is mocking Christianity. Its just an add.

  • Celeste Roth - 2012-03-14 06:55

    I'm assuming the video clip at the bottom of the story is the ad.... Mmmmmm, so it gets pulled yet News24 feels the need to publish it. I think Red Bull has completely crossed a line and I feel it disrespectful that it is placed on this forum

      francois.gaffie - 2012-03-14 07:29

      Well whether they published it or not, you were on your way to "YOU TUBE" to see what's the fuss about IF they didn't publish it... You see it only takes one News Paper to make people aware of it(not to mention other forms of media) to open pandora's box... And regardless of everyone's input Red Bull wins you will see the video sooner or later... Brilliant Marketing and thumbs up for the humour!

      arthurbrigg - 2012-03-14 08:01

      The beauty of the Internet (for now) is no censorship and freedom to express however you want to, even if offensive. It's the last bastion of freedom - whether used wisely or not - and fast dwindling.

      Alfred - 2012-03-14 11:36

      You are free not to click on it.

  • nomcebo.sithole1 - 2012-03-14 06:55

    God is so great, so whtever happens on earth doesn't change His nature. God loves everyone whether u bliv in Him or not, there's nothing anyone can do to change His love 4 us. We r made in His own image but heaven is so real and so is hell.

      Derek - 2012-03-15 15:40

      A God who loves us wilfully creates a hell?!!!? Beyond comprehension! Are you going to enjoy your heaven knowing millions of people, possibly your own loved ones, are being tormented in hell?

      Anwar - 2012-03-15 16:33

      do you expect to enter heaven without earning it.. Does your boss/company pay your salary with out you doing any work?

      Monika - 2012-03-15 16:47

      @Derek: You don't understand what Hell is about. God did not create hell - we will have created it for ourselves - in our afterlife. As for our loved ones who can't join us? The way I understand it, those souls who have joined God in His perfect existence will not be aware of friends or family missing. Otherwise it would not be a perfect existence. That is why we are to pray constantly for everybody else to be saved as well, to have their hearts of stone turned into hearts of flesh.

  • Heinz - 2012-03-14 07:08

    It shouldn't "fly" with any Christian denomination !! I think it's appalling and in bad taste ... If this were an advert with Mohammed, the Muslin community would be having riots already ....

  • Peter - 2012-03-14 07:11

    Mr. Mateschitz and Company! You can make fun of me, of people like me, but don't you ridicule my Lord and Saviour, the Son of God, my Jesus!

  • Maddy - 2012-03-14 07:11

    Another advert made by a fourteen year old........ And two million 3 year olds react like 3 year olds. Shame...

      Marion - 2012-03-14 10:34

      @Maddy - who are the two million 3-year-olds?

      Garth - 2012-03-14 11:04

      You probably meant `two million `30' year olds', hey?

  • Patrick - 2012-03-14 07:13

    The physically impossible notion of a man walking on water deserves to be parodied.

  • Voiceinthedesert.co.za - 2012-03-14 07:14

    these people have lost their minds no wonder i prefer play from coca cola

  • P - 2012-03-14 07:15

    If it was an Islam depiction this would have been regarded as an insult.

  • Jacqueline - 2012-03-14 07:18

    When my parents got divorced, the church refused my mother to take holy communion (nagmaal in afrikaans). Since then I have not been to church, except for the odd funeral and occasional wedding. That was in 2003. But that does not mean I gave up on my faith as a Christian. I respect all religions. I believe a person's faith is a personal choice and should be respected. I don't go and proclaim it from the roof tops but I am at peace with God, whether others believe in Him or not. I might not agree with some practises and how people profess their faith but who am I to judge? As the bible says:"Let those who are free of guilt, cast the first stone."

      Jacqueline - 2012-03-14 07:32

      @Balstrome: I don't see Satanism as a religion, I see that as a cult. I believe being Wiccan or a Scientologist is more of a religion than Satanism will ever be. I would like to know if Satanism is a recognized religion under South African law.

      arthurbrigg - 2012-03-14 08:04

      Jacqueline - it's recognised in the USA as a religion, I don't think the same here in SA - not sure if the laws are the same either, but in the USA any group of people that consists of a certain amount of members can apply to be recognized as a religion. Ridiculous, but true.

      Wendy - 2012-03-14 08:08

      Jacqueline - Jesus Christ did not respect all religions. In fact HE said that He is the only way. Also the quote "Let those who are free from guilt, cast the first stone" was about a woman literally about to be stoned to death. Jesus also told her "Go, and sin no more".

      sarel.pretorius2 - 2012-03-14 08:32

      JACQUELINE EK VERSTAAN WAT JY OP MERK OOR DIE KERKE! GAAN IN OP DIE WEBTUISTE www.valseleraars.co.za en jy sal baie beter verstaan. Dit is ook van toepassing op alle "kerkmense" die webtuiste is nog in konstruksie.sarel.b@mweb.co.za

      deevolver - 2012-03-14 08:47

      christianity started as a cult. Read & learn.

      Garth - 2012-03-14 11:07

      @wendy - and David Koresh also stated that `He is the only way'.

      Marion - 2012-03-14 11:24

      Satanism is recognised as a religion to my knowledge provided that they don't practice sacrifice/physically injure anyone or anything in the practice of their religion.

      Johann - 2012-03-14 14:35

      @Balstrome...it's Anton Levey.

  • Johann - 2012-03-14 07:18

    This is truly not on!!! Come on!!! Seems like the world can desecrate and make fun of Jesus and CHristians dare not say anything. Yet when we voice our opinion all of a sudden we are "close minded". I am protestant not Catholic but this is sickening!!!!!!!!! ONe thing is certain though, Christ is and will always be King and stupid little adds like this will not de-throne Him. It is just very sad that people can take pot shots at christianity and get away with it

      arthurbrigg - 2012-03-14 08:05

      So having bumper stickers, jumping Jesus for your back car window and plastic crosses endorsed by Christians are any less demeaning?

      Marion - 2012-03-14 11:27

      @Johann - the only thing you make us think about is the religious intolerance of atheists. Bet it's not the only thing that atheists are intolerant of in their personal lives.

      Kameomaua - 2012-03-14 17:44

      @ Balstrome: The irony is that Christians have thought deep and hard and long about the contents of the Bible, its message, etc., etc. and all those who, like you, consider miracles, etc. 'silly' are the ones who HAVEN'T thought about and studied the Bible. There are minds - far greater than yours!!! - who have found spiritual and intellectual treasures and truths in the writings of the Bible. You people just read each others' websites on which religion in general and Christianity in particular are pulled to pieces, and then you think you are 'informed'. One should always study an issue from more than one angle.

  • Brent Julie - 2012-03-14 07:20

    im a catholic. I think its important to prevent doing things that may offend ppl when it borders on their beliefs. this Xspecially applies to those who have the ability to reach Mainstream audiences

      arthurbrigg - 2012-03-14 08:14

      So then if the KKK have a belief we shouldn't poke fun at them? If someone believes in fairies, pixies, wood nymphs and dragons we should shut up and and not poke fun at their belief either? Can I not poke fun at people who find Jesus on a burned piece of toast any more? Or people who believe that there are Reptilians posing as human beings living among us and will take over the world when the Planet Niburu arrives? Or the millions of people who over the past few centuries have cried "The end is nigh!", or the people that sold all their belongings because they believed in some preacher who said a comet would destroy earth or Jesus was coming back and only the "good" Christians would "ascend"? So I can't laugh at the concept of heaven and hell being both a threat and a salvation which is a psychological game of fear versus reward? Please... let the free be free to express, if you're secure in your belief you wouldn't be so worried or insulted - you'd scurry to your place of worship and pray for our "doomed" souls without proclaiming it, quietly and obediently like your God requests.

  • Steven Rothquel - 2012-03-14 07:22

    oh come on guys grow up, i am sure they did not mean it in a way other than light hearted humour, everybody is so serious these days and thats why the world is in the state thats its in, the catholics need to relax, i did not hear anything from the catholic camp when the cartoon of the prophet mohammed was printed in a news paper somewhere [i think it was Denmark] its 2012 for goodness sake and we have more important things to worry about than red bulls lame ad campaigns which are better than there products in any case, so take a chill pill and go sit in the corner and when we need you dont call us we'll call you.

      Wendy - 2012-03-14 08:13

      Yes, it was printed in Denmark. That, however, was not its first printing. It had been printed a few months prior in an Egyptian newspaper.

  • Johan - 2012-03-14 07:22

    Is this fuss really about religion or is it merely out of "support" or "loyalty"? Is it our Christians' duty to take a "stand"?

      Tolive - 2012-03-14 14:52

      Condoning it or keeping silent makes you guilty of the same.

  • lebogang.molefo - 2012-03-14 07:25

    I'm catholic but I won't "fast" from Red Bull, I need it to survive my tiring days.... And I think the ad is funny

      Teboho Mphaloane - 2012-03-14 07:45

      In the name of the Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit you're a bad catholic. Recite the Act of Contrition 5 10 times and say 50 Hail Marys and follow the advice of the Bishop.

      Teboho Mphaloane - 2012-03-14 07:48

      Oh, sorry, that's CARDINAL Napier.

  • Erica Jansen van Vuuren - 2012-03-14 07:25

    This red bull ad is blasphemous to the highest degree. Take out the religious aspect and then I'd look and decide again. Leave religion alone!!

  • P - 2012-03-14 07:25

    In fact, taken what happened in Afghanistan, no Red Bull building or property (including their Agency) would be left untouched if the depiction was of the Prophet himself. why must Christians always be depicted as morons? and take it lying down. I do not say burn everything, but surely some action (campaign) can be started. I am copying this to the ADfeature