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Johan Kotzé not a monster - Tutu

2012-01-18 12:20

Cape Town - Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu has called on the media and public to stop calling Limpopo rape and murder accused Johan Kotzé the "Modimolle monster", saying that despite his alleged crimes, he is still a child of God.

Kotzé is accused of hiring three men to gang-rape and mutilate his estranged wife, and of killing her 19-year-old son.

Tutu wrote a letter to The Star, in which he condemned what had happened, but also expressed his concern that the widespread outrage over Kotzé's alleged actions had led to him being dubbed a monster.

'Capacity to become a saint'

"He may indeed be guilty of inhuman, ghastly and monstrous deeds, but he is not a monster. We are actually letting him off lightly by calling him a monster because monsters have no moral sense of right and wrong - and therefore cannot be held morally culpable, cannot be regarded as morally blameworthy," Tutu wrote.

He added that Kotzé "remains a child of God with the capacity to become a saint. This may shock some of us".

"We should condemn ghastly acts of awful cruelty but we must, as they say, hate the sin and love the sinner, or hope that he may change for the better."

He said this was in many ways the basis of the Truth and Reconciliation process.

"We heard bloodcurdling stories of how people had been murdered brutally and yet we saw some extraordinary scenes of magnanimity when perpetrator and victim or relative of victim embraced publicly.

"If it were true that once a murderer always a murderer, then we should have had to shut up shop straightaway. But we believed then, and I hope we still do, that it was possible for people to change for the better, that the worst criminal could become a good and virtuous person."

Appalled

Tutu was not defending Kotzé's alleged acts, saying decent people are rightly appalled at what had happened, and that it was quite right to condemn the "dastardly, barbaric and monstrous" deeds.

He expressed his deep sympathy and condolences to Kotzé's estranged wife and pleaded that people stop calling him a monster.

However, The Star quoted criminologist Dr Jackie de Wet, from the University of Fort Hare, as saying that the chances of someone like Kotzé being rehabilitated and becoming a good and virtuous person - if he did indeed commit the crimes he is charged with - are "very, very slim, almost minuscule".

ANC Women's League protesters outside the Modimolle Magistrate's Court during his appearance last Friday dubbed him a monster. "No human being can do such a thing," said ANCWL Waterberg treasurer Joy Matshoge.
 

Comments
  • aardvarkie - 2012-01-18 12:31

    Sorry Tutu but unlike Dr.Jackie I don't think you're qualified to say the scumbag has the capacity to become a "saint". Personally, I'd prefer seeing him tarred and feathered like the Christians did in the old days to heretics, except this time I think it's actually justifiable.

      Monique - 2012-01-19 12:59

      can everybody just stop fighting over what names everyone is calling him and lock him the hell up and make sure that he NEVER comes out! Besides, FYI...it's a free country (well, last time I checked) so we can call him whatever we like anyways.

      bobby.mykonos - 2012-01-19 13:45

      I see a lot of this mornings first replies slating the Arch have dissapeared. The correct thing to do if you have changed your mind is to have the decency to post a reply and not just delete your thread. Otherwise it looks like you are scared of collecting a few thumbs down. It's called having the courage of your convictions. At least the Arch is willing to stand up and say what he believes and stick by it no matter how unpopular it might make him.

      Smell - 2012-01-19 17:31

      Bobby my friend, I suspect the vast majority of people that make comments disrespectfully slating a man like Archbishop Tutu, have no insight in benevolence and nation building. You can disagree with him, but he remains the conscience of Africa. Those comments were surely removed by the News24 editorial staff and I applaud them for doing so. There is already far too much anger and hate in South Africa.

  • Lyndatjie - 2012-01-18 12:33

    Sorry Tutu - I know you have the most incredible capacity to love and forgive and have this never-ending faith that everybody can be rehabilitated. But this is way beyond moral comprehension.... the things he did, the things he tried to do and the things he still planned showed pure psychopath... so he is INDEED a monster and can not possibly be described as anything but inhuman! :(

      ingrid.webbe - 2012-01-18 15:14

      Maybe Tutu would not be so loving and forgiving if someone in his family had been attacked by this monster. He is not a child of God, but the spawn of the devil.

      George - 2012-01-18 15:29

      Tutu forgets how he reacted when his bud could not get a visa for his birthday.

      Mildly_Amused - 2012-01-19 10:46

      We'll love him and hope for a change of heart while he is in jail. And not hurting anyone else.

      Zebelon - 2012-01-19 21:43

      Lyndatjie: the man is a criminal like all others who committed similar deeds for thousands of years. If you care to follow history, you will find that some of those criminals are known to have repented. It is worth noting that many thousands who committed similar crimes before him did not meet the verbal onslaught(monster) as we find today, and this is understandable; people are very angry. It is also worthy to observe that anger is one thing and hatred another. We are justified to be angry, but hatred, to say the least, is the very antithesis of the requirement to love others as you love yourself. Throwing hatred about, without any attempt to replace it with humanity,is the undoing of this world. Let the criminal get his punishment like many others. Incidentally, gaols are for REHABILITATION, though Dr Jackie is sad to give no hope of rehabilitation.

  • Nicolas - 2012-01-18 12:33

    I wonder what you would say if it was your daughter or son that this happened to - then you would be preaching and eye for an eye!!

      greywolve - 2012-01-18 12:52

      an eye for an eye leaves the world blind

      Garth - 2012-01-18 13:54

      No, an `eye for an eye' leaves the world one-eyed. Not a bad thing if it makes criminals easy to identify.

      George - 2012-01-18 15:30

      Eye sir

      bobby.mykonos - 2012-01-19 09:31

      The guy has watched millions and millions of people brutalising and torturing each other throughout his life and he still has capacity to forgive. The difference is that in your mind you believe that it would horrify him more if it was his own children. Maybe he doesn't segment the world into people he cares about and people he doesn't. Did you ever watch him during the TRC and see the horror and tears in his eyes at the suffering of 'strangers'? @Garth - You are assuming that there would only be one round of violence. The reality is that left unchecked hate and violence would keep going until everyone was blind, even those who consider themselves innocent.

  • Theresa - 2012-01-18 12:34

    I can guarantee you, if it was Tutu's family affected by this sub-human's actions he'd be very vocal in his condemnation.

      greywolve - 2012-01-18 12:51

      i doubt it would make a difference , i mean you say that but its not even your family but you hate the guy, does hating make you feel good ?

      Theresa - 2012-01-18 13:21

      I don't know this Kotzè bloke.So your assumption that I hate the guy is just that..an assumption,but I do most definitely condemn his behaviour!

      Michelle - 2012-01-18 13:45

      @greywolve Theresa never said anything about hating this savage, but it seems it's on your mind. Don't say something you know nothing about!!

      Johan - 2012-01-18 15:42

      indeed !

      Jannie - 2012-01-19 08:40

      he would have forgiven him already

  • Mr C - 2012-01-18 12:36

    Mr Tutu has a point... ooohhhh i can just hear the angry typing of non-believer’s

      Squeegee - 2012-01-18 13:20

      Mr C, I can fully accept that no one is beyond the realm of God's forgiveness; but reality shows that few of the real "monsters" ever make a real transformation beyond using faith as a way of seeking sentence reduction. Not impossible, just unlikely.

      mlungisi.botha - 2012-01-18 13:21

      ssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! Can you also hear the f's and b's and all!

      mmatau - 2012-01-18 13:44

      Mr C, in as much as the bible dictates that we may not judge and that we must forgive, it becomes very difficult for one to do so when you make an assessment of the Kotze case. The wife will never see her son again and she still has to deal with the emotional trauma. She could possibly live her life in fear because she is unable to get over what has happened to her. Is it now fair to say she must 'love the sinner and hope that he changes for the better'? What would you do if this happened to you?

      Jenny - 2012-01-18 15:23

      I agree with the Arch and E=MC2. Let's condemn the deeds, and let justice take its course on the man

  • Mlungisi - 2012-01-18 12:39

    This madala must retire.

      mlungisi.botha - 2012-01-18 13:14

      Mlu my bro, where've you been...he's retired ages ago!

      Willie - 2012-01-18 13:30

      I can bet you Mlungisi if the Arch decides to shut up and something terrible happens many of us will be blogging and saying the Arch doesn't care

      George - 2012-01-18 15:32

      You missed the turnoff long time ago

      Myvision - 2012-01-18 15:34

      This is the reason we were sceptical about allowing his half naked pal coming to SA last year.

      nasheenar - 2012-01-18 16:15

      maybe retire from the media

      bobby.mykonos - 2012-01-19 09:35

      Mlungisi you are suggesting that the world will be a better place if we had less people preaching love, peace and forgiveness...?

  • denise.duplooy - 2012-01-18 12:40

    If Bishop Tutu and/or his wife had been raped and mutilated and their son murdered in the same manner in which the 'monster's' wife and stepson was, he would definitely be calling him a monster or worse! So Bishop Tutu who is always so self-righteous should try a little bit of empathy for a change and SHUT UP!!

      greywolve - 2012-01-18 12:50

      what he has already forgotten you must still learn, clearly his comment offending you shows something you don't like about yourself tutu has an amazing attitude towards this , at the end of the day we are all interconnected , hating only causes more suffering , two wrongs do not make right

      Willie - 2012-01-18 12:58

      I think your anger is justified ,but you do not know how will he react if this sort of rubbish happend to him. be careful of telling anyone to SHUT UP because that is a form of censorship. Everyone is got right to voice his opinion

      Gerhard - 2012-01-18 13:00

      The Arch is a sincere man, which cannot be said of most SA politicians.

      Gideon - 2012-01-18 13:01

      @greywolve: I agree with the morality regarding not HATING him, but we cannot act as if he just stole a packet of Beacon sweets from teh corner shop. What he did is despicable, and he is despicable and deserves to face the full consequences that the law prescribes. He deserves no less than to be locked up for a very, very long time. If he finds salvation in his incarceration, very good. If he doesn't, he at least won't cause further harm for the time being.

      mlungisi.botha - 2012-01-18 13:18

      @ Greywolve. You're spot on. 22's messages have been consistent through the years. Our anger should not make his opinion wrong!

      greywolve - 2012-01-18 13:45

      i agree he must be punished but yeah like you said hating is pointless better to try figure out why he acted like this so we can perhaps prevent things like this occuring in the future

      nasheenar - 2012-01-18 16:16

      Well said Denise! Agree way to righteous.

      Jannie - 2012-01-19 08:41

      he would have forgiven him already Denise,

      charis.leriche - 2012-01-19 12:22

      Tutu is being empathetic to the wife. He is spreading a message of love and peace and forgiveness. If only there were more people like Archbishop Tutu. The world would be a much better place. He condemns the actions of Johan Kotze. You forget the ordeal tutu went through during Apartheid and the stories he heard during the TRC. but he has always forgiven those who have done others wrong. Hating will not change the world

  • rodfor1435 - 2012-01-18 12:41

    Did u run out of Brandy and Coke again Emeritus?

      Fenderbender - 2012-01-19 12:02

      Met 'eish' ja, I can just imagine how turkey eyed he and his fellow tomato planters get after a lekker discussion of rainbows and holding hands.

  • roodbol - 2012-01-18 12:42

    Goodness Tutu, you are only a 'child of God' once you accept His Son, Jesus [who came to earth to show us the character of His Father, God]. Don't you read your Bible? If all humanity are [automatically] children of God then why did Jesus have to die. Don't make God's grace [only through His Son] cheap. You are making a mockery of Christianity.

      Sonia - 2012-01-18 13:05

      well put roodbol. You obviously know and/or read the Bible beter than the Bishop. (John 1:12) @Robbie: God doesn't create human monsters, they become that out of their own choice. God creates human beings for His glory but He gives them their own will whether to become a child of Him or not. It is quite amazing that someone who bears the "title" of bishop and has been teaching the Word of God for many years can be so wrong about what the Bible says. :-O

      Patient - 2012-01-18 13:18

      Mr Tutu must read John 1:12 (Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become CHILDREN of God...) before he can comment about God

      Michael - 2012-01-18 16:50

      @Sonia, he also created that poor angel that gets the blame for all of our own deeds. It is so easy to pass the blame onto someone or something else than to accept the consequences of our deeds.

      Jannie - 2012-01-19 08:42

      no you need to read your bible more, we are all his children.

      Mildly_Amused - 2012-01-19 11:02

      and YOU shouldn't make God sound like such a douche. His love is unconditional. He's not a spoilt brat who will only bother with you if you meet certain conditions. My gosh, no wonder Christianity is a dying religion.

  • Gideon - 2012-01-18 12:44

    With all due respect, Archbisop (Ret.), the man is an extreme example of NOT a child of God. Has he shown any remorse what so ever up until this point? I am not aware of any such a display, so to say that your comments on the matter are grossly insensitive and inappropriate is completely justified. Please stick to your retirement, and let God be the judge of this despicable creature.

      David - 2012-01-18 14:31

      Agreed. More like Lucifer's child he is. Straight to hell should be the verdict

  • Hermann - 2012-01-18 12:45

    I am not blowing the trumpet of atheists, but what kind of god created that kind of inhuman species?

      Gideon - 2012-01-18 12:52

      That is unfortunately a very relevant question in the above context: Richard Dawkins would have a field day with it, and I abhor his views. The good reverend isn't helping, rather reserve commentary like his for a bit later, after the dust has settled perhaps?

      Mr C - 2012-01-18 13:00

      Free-Will Hermann, he chose.

      Jenny - 2012-01-18 13:05

      God created man with a freedom of choice. we all choose to do either right or wrong. Do not blame God for man's choices.

      George - 2012-01-18 15:34

      @ Jenny Blame anc

      Hermann - 2012-01-18 17:03

      @E=M and Jenny. I did not blame any god I merely posed a question. As for free will I thought in the Judeo-Christian belief God was a god of love, strange that the side of God not mentioned in the Bible was chosen by the accused out of his own free will. You guys must have a better insight into God than the Bible and the men of the cloth added together.Hey guys, don't be so touchy and read what people say not what you want to see in it. You are only giving your adversaries ammo.

      Merven - 2012-01-19 07:24

      Free Will? So if Kotze choose out of free will to kill the boy and mutilate the mother, no matter how much they believe in God, pray to Him etc, it will still happen. But then your god is making false promises : Isaiah 41:10, Psalm 23, Psalm 121:7 (especially Psalm 121:7 The LORD will keep you from all harm-he will watch over your life). So basically the bad guys' free will is much more important to God than His own children. Wow, His love is GREAT!

  • Robbie - 2012-01-18 12:45

    Well then TuTu,your God Created A Monster.

      mlungisi.botha - 2012-01-18 13:09

      True, our God did.

      bobby.mykonos - 2012-01-19 09:41

      Maybe God created a child and mankind did the rest.

  • debra.brasem - 2012-01-18 12:48

    THEN OUR GOD IS A VERY DIFFERENT GOD THAN DESMOND TUTU'S AS OUR GOD DOES NOT PREACH SUCH VIOLENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Mr C - 2012-01-18 13:01

      dont shout... & he wasnt preaching violence

      George - 2012-01-18 17:25

      What has sod him tomorrow got to do with it (hic)

      Sizwe - 2012-01-19 01:49

      @Debra. Then I guess all the historians misconstrued the Crusades (note the plural!!).

      Merven - 2012-01-19 07:32

      Clearly you don't know your bible debra. 1 Samuel 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. Luke 19:27 Jesus said, "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." Numbers 31:17-18 "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." Ezekiel 9:6 "Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women . . . " Isaiah 13:16 "Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." Deuteronomy 13:15 "Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly . . . " Leviticus 20:9 "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death . . . " Exodus 32:27 ". . . Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour."

      Merven - 2012-01-19 07:33

      Deut 21:10-12 "When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; "

      Hugh - 2012-01-19 09:44

      Saul of Tarsus, became Paul the saint. Only it was fashionable to murder Christan followers then. This prick is a sicko and must spend the rest of his miserable life in a 6x2 cell. There he can be a saint for as long as he likes. Sadly the Arch is correct according to his religion, just not politicly correct in this case.

      Merven - 2012-01-19 10:48

      Well said Hugh, he must rot in jail.

  • elphaas.mgiba - 2012-01-18 12:51

    Dear Tutu, I hope you well and in a good bill of health, ooh before I forget wish you buy a new bible this year and have a great year ahead of you. Tutu the bible say forgive others, but the is no where in the bible that say people must brutally kill and mastermind criminal activities. Kotzé will remain a monster even if you can take your letter you wrote to haven, what he did can't be justified in any form and is people like you who make it look like what he did is normal and can be urged in court. Tutu we all know very well that if this Monster had killed one of your close relative you could have called him all names that they do not evenly exist, now because you do not know the pain and suffering he caused to the family and the community. Johan "Monster" Kotzé will remain a monster becuase of what he did no matter a letter from YOU or not he deserve to be called a monster even in the next life!

      STYLEbudd - 2012-01-18 13:06

      Tutu is decieved.He idolises the Dali Lama who is not a believer in Christ or the Christian faith. If Tutu was a true man of God, though he may very well respect everyone's right to believe as they please, he would definately not embrace other religions!

      Sonia - 2012-01-18 13:21

      @Nazo2010: yes, the Bible does say "forgive others", and even Kotze can receive God's forgiveness if he truly shows remorse and repents from a Godless life, that is how great and wide God's love is and in time his victim will have to forgive him too (I realise many will now come at me with anger and disdain, but the Bible also says there is no sin that cannot be forgiven except the sin against the Holy Spirit). She will obviously need time for inner healing before she will be able to do that if she chooses, and God will give her all the time she needs. And one more thing Nazo2010, the Bible teaches that there is no such thing as a "next life"! Hebrews 9:27 clearly teaches that each person is destined to die once and after that comes judgment, NOT a next life, you only have ONE chance to live a Godly life and that chance you can only have by believing and accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour.

  • Herbert - 2012-01-18 12:53

    "Toe toe" Tutu, time to wake up !!!!!

  • Max - 2012-01-18 12:54

    utu, looking for a bit of media attention are you? Just roll over please...

  • James - 2012-01-18 12:54

    Somewhere, a village is missing a TuTu.....

      Fenderbender - 2012-01-19 12:04

      They are starving, he forgot to bring back some bananas

  • Mashudu - 2012-01-18 12:54

    Tutu is bored. He's looking for attention.

      mlungisi.botha - 2012-01-18 13:07

      C'mon Mashuds you're rather too harsh! He's just being a good preacher. And preachers should pray for F***NG MONSTERS...that's their job!

  • Larry - 2012-01-18 12:57

    Oh Yeah! This time I disagree with Tutu. The guy is pure evil.

  • hardus.lauwrens - 2012-01-18 12:57

    And this is why Religion messed with your head. No thanks!

  • Kerry - 2012-01-18 12:58

    why is tutu even getting involved - save your comment preacher man its not worthy of this evil man.

  • brianmacza - 2012-01-18 12:59

    I am waiting for the media to get hold of his other ex lovers/girlfriends to get their 'unbiased' views. One News24 report has already mentioned an ex-lover who mentioned he was monstrous to her. There are probably more episodes to be reported on... if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck... The Archbishop is probably on the money in one respect though - our violent abuser will probably 'see the light' and ask for 'forgiveness'. Popcorn anyone?

  • Jomo - 2012-01-18 12:59

    wat da hell is tutu talkin abt? we al children of God bt johan decided 2 join da devil N do evil things

  • grieta.mitchley - 2012-01-18 13:02

    Joh,joh,joh! Tutu,ek is nie n persoon wat beweer ek weet als van die bybel nie, maar iewers staan daar geskrywe dat as ons glo, en streef om te lewe na die beeld van God, ons die voorreg het om kinders van God genoem te word. Ek veroorloof my ook nie die reg om te besluit wie mag of nie mag kinders van God genoem te word nie, maar my Here haat geweld. Die dinge was fyn beplan, soos die duiwel het hy listig n gruweldaad bedink, beplan en uitgevoer. Nee, ek weier om te glo dat hy n kind van God durf genoem te word, want dan hoef kinders van God nie meer Sy wil uit te leef en na Sy beeld en gelykenis te strewe nie, want al doen hul wat, bly hulle kinders van God? Nee, nee, nee. DIT glo ek NIE!

  • STYLEbudd - 2012-01-18 13:02

    Tutu is generally deceived anyway when it comes to Truth! Find something better to write about please!

  • David - 2012-01-18 13:03

    Phew! I'm relieved to know that Hitler and Stalin were not monsters either since they were children of God. Maybe they just wanted hugs and it was all a big misunderstanding.

  • Tim - 2012-01-18 13:04

    The man (Kotze) is God's creation. What he became and what he did is 100% his own and society's handiwork. The Kotze case and the many other current wife and family killings, woman and child abuse, rape and sexual assault cases in our courts tell us there is something seriously wrong happening in society as far as the male of the species homo sapiens is concerned. Any suggestions how to fix it, besides brainlessly rabbiting on about revenge?

      Colleen - 2012-01-19 07:39

      Tim that type of crime happens everyday in this country, we just dont get to hear about it. And yes society has a lot to do with it, society has lost there morals and values. There are a lot of sick and crazy people out there.

  • Stephen - 2012-01-18 13:04

    I have read the letter Bishop Tutu Wrote, and while I do not agree with every thing Tutu says, indeed were we to meet, we may not agree with each other. I do say this while what happens needs to be condemned in every way, all Tutu is saying that the man has the capacity to turn to God, if he truly repents of these and other sins in his life. Tutu is merely pointing out that anyone can repent. When we as Christians say that someone cannot repent of his sins, we are taking on the role Jesus who has been appointed Judge.

      Jimmy - 2012-01-18 13:30

      Stephen you are spot-on. Most of the commentators on this page have never read page 1 of the Bible. Paul in the Bible accepted Christ into his life and became one of His greatest followers. BTW - Mr Tutu is right, we are all children of God, and created by God. Some of us do terrible things, and GOD will judge the PERSON. Meanwhile, there is only one place for Kotze to be, deep behind bars to protect our society. Well done courageous Mr. Tutu - we need more people like you.

      Robert - 2012-01-18 13:36

      @Janine. Well, that's just the whole point. It's not your, my or anyone else's, particularly the commenters on this thread, call as to whether or not he goes to hell. That's God's call. Tutu is right, Kotze is indeed a child of God. An errant one, yes of course, but still God's child. To call him a Monster is going against the whole nature of God's creations. Call his deeds monstrous if you will, because they are, but you don't call a man, who was created by God in his own image, a monster, because that is not the nature of God. Everyone who is posting here with sentiments against what Tutu is saying is standing in judgement of a man who's only judge is God, not anyone else. He'll stand trial in a court of law presided over by someone who knows all about the laws made by man to govern ourselves for the deeds he's done, and that's right and he'll most likely receive and serve his punishment. Kotze, the man, however, will be judged by God, not you.

  • mlungisi.botha - 2012-01-18 13:04

    Mense, weet julle wat? I put 2 and 2 together and I got 4 (for once in my life!). The Arch is doing what he's good at. Being a man of God and preaching forgiveness. And us folks who are pee'd off by what that monster did (sorry Arch, Kotze is a monster) are right in being pee'd off. I'd rather have the 22 say what he's saying than everyone else say what they're saying. Comprendo??

  • MastersVoice - 2012-01-18 13:04

    Monsters are creations of the human imagination. All we know about this case is what we have read, heard or seen in the media. Most of the facts will not be known, so we use our imaginations to fill in the blanks and suddenly we have a monster. Johan Kotze is a human being (just like you and me) who has (allegedly) been responsible for hideous murders. We'd be far better off understanding what drove him to do this, than simply labeling him a monster and organizing lynching parties.

      Gideon - 2012-01-18 13:30

      I don't agree with the "allegedly" that you used. It implies that he could be innocent. Sure, legally he hasn't been convicted of anything yet, but he did it buddy. Orchestrated murder, rape, torture, he did it all. I don't care what "drove him" to act the way he did: it is still wrong, in every sense of the word. There is nothing to understand, he is a murderous monster, and that is the end of it.

  • IAmTheDarkPrince - 2012-01-18 13:04

    Regardless of my religious views, I find a great truth lies in the phrase "Let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone." A quick scan of the comments paints a grim picture of the condemned taking apart one of their own merely because of the fact that his actions, albeit just as evil in nature as some of the things they themselves were once guilty of, was on a grander scale than their own. It's tragic to observe.

      Jimmy - 2012-01-18 13:34

      Yes - who did Jesus condemn ? The self-righteous Pharisees.

  • Jenny - 2012-01-18 13:07

    God created man with a choice. We can either choose to do right or wrong. We cannot blame God for man's actions.

  • idille.borchers - 2012-01-18 13:12

    Dear Arch, I am sure you have been misquoted. Satan was also created by God, but like all of us, he has a free will. This man is a child of Satan by choice. Jesus said of liars ' you are of your father, the devil' so I doubt whether He would call Kotze His son.

  • jostheron - 2012-01-18 13:13

    Who made Tutu class captain?

  • spookhuis - 2012-01-18 13:18

    Ja Des, sometimes you say the dumbest things.

  • Jan Olivier - 2012-01-18 13:21

    Nice. Firstly what species of monster was he talking about? I know my dog can't be held morally responsible but I think monsters can. They have much bigger brains,Tutu have a look on t.v monsters are huge!. And secondly why don't we let him go then? Would you say this sir, if the Kotze Monster did this to your family? Where's the death penalty!?

  • Patient - 2012-01-18 13:21

    By the Mr Tutu is a Catholic, he is not a Christian (just a clarity)

      Gideon - 2012-01-18 13:32

      I think he is Anglican...maybe, not sure.

      Tim - 2012-01-18 13:46

      Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu is an Anglican and Catholics are Christians. Bigots? well, maybe neither.

      Saffa - 2012-01-18 13:55

      And how do you come to this conclusion @Patient? Is it what the fundamentalists are shovelling down your throat? How old is CHRISTIANITY old girl? Only as old as CATHOLICISM......Back to the history books for you.

      Patient - 2012-01-18 14:00

      Jesus Christ didn't come to form a religion or be one of the options people to follow but He came to reconcile us back to God Almighty... So Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with GOD (YAHWEH)

      Saffa - 2012-01-18 14:32

      So why are Catholics EXCLUDED from this @Patient? Please elaborate?

      Gideon - 2012-01-18 14:48

      @Saffa: FYI, the first Christians weren't Catholics, they were Jews, amongst other things. Sorry to rain on your parade, but it only became the state religion of Rome in 380AD.

      Patient - 2012-01-18 15:06

      @Saffa Sorry Wikipedia website is down today :-(

      Saffa - 2012-01-18 16:48

      For all the posturing, and thumbs down, not ONE of you has told me WHY Catholics are not considered Christians by you lot? I wait patiently.

      Merven - 2012-01-19 07:37

      @saffa. every 'christian cult' believe they are the one and only true believer and all of the rest are wrong and will burn in hell.

  • Njandini - 2012-01-18 13:22

    Tutu 'the coconut Bishop' is trying to appear a sympathetic person in the eyes of certain people. We can see through his acts that he is not authentic. In fact he has completely lost the plot. How can he even think this way!!!

      mlungisi.botha - 2012-01-18 13:48

      Ag pliz Njandini! Ugqibele nini ukuphalaza? Ukuphalaza cleans out the muck in your system and you think better. Brooklax will do an equally good job! Don't personalise this thing by calling him coconut! What an insult to a good man. Disagree with him yes, insult him no!

  • Jan - 2012-01-18 13:24

    Wait till the same happens to you and your family ARC, lets hear what you will call such people. "Saints"? Old man, leave Media life alone and enjoy your old age. I think he wants the lime light.

  • Sylvia - 2012-01-18 13:25

    Why does Tutu have to try and politicise this heinous crime? Ridiculous statement!

      mlungisi.botha - 2012-01-18 13:42

      Sylvia that heinous crime does not belong to politics..it belongs to religion and that's where 22 is putting it. I also think that's where it belongs. And, of course, Kotze and his merry men belong in jail.

  • hc12345 - 2012-01-18 13:25

    Tutu go read your Bible. Unless he repents and accept Jesus Christ as his lord and Saviour he will stay a child of Satan and burn in hell for all eternity!!

      greywolve - 2012-01-18 13:47

      *facepalm*

  • igno1 - 2012-01-18 13:26

    Tutu, if you had the balls to get a wife, your "gods" child should do this to her, idiot!!!!~

  • bafana.skosana - 2012-01-18 13:27

    aag Tutu shutup and resign from public domain, older people their minds turn to be the minds of kids.

  • Jacomi - 2012-01-18 13:28

    Hy klink na 'n psigopaat.. nie rehabiliteerbaar sover ek weet. Polities gemotiveerde moordenaars.. koelbloedig bly koelbloedig, al gooi jy suikerklontjies op.. maar tog rehabiliteerbaar dink ek. En almal is dalk skeppings van God, maar nie noodwendig kinders van God.. ook maar woordspeling, dis dalk wat hy bedoel het, wie weet.

  • Alan - 2012-01-18 13:33

    Another very good reason for the dath penalty to be re-instated ?

  • Rinnewien - 2012-01-18 13:34

    Tutu is right. We are not to judge. Remember the two men on crosses next to Jesus? What Kotze did is despicable but we can not despice the man.Let God be the judge!

  • SalomeMagerstein - 2012-01-18 13:36

    Tutu ek dink jy moet eerder gaan DUDU... ken die twee mekaar??? Ek verdedig gewoonlik NET my familie en VRIENDE... dog ek vra maar net.

  • Clive - 2012-01-18 13:38

    I thought that Tutu had retired ? His distain for the ANC over the Dalai Lama affair and then his support for them at the 100 year celebrations,and now this, does he really know what he is talking about ?

  • Zion - 2012-01-18 13:42

    This animal belongs on the end of a rope.

  • Gregory - 2012-01-18 13:47

    Tootoo is a koos! Mr holier than thou'. Who died and made him god? Freakazoid!