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Judge: E-toll case urgent

2012-04-25 12:12

Pretoria - A proper case of urgency had been made by the Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa), the High Court in Pretoria ruled on Wednesday.

"The matter will proceed," Judge Bill Prinsloo said.

"The widespread public interest and the protesting... should persuade me to hear the matter."

Prinsloo said lawyers for the SA National Road Agency Limited, National Treasury, the transport minister and the Gauteng transport MEC did not persuade him that the Outa application was an abuse of the court.

Comments
  • Nicholas - 2012-04-25 12:15

    Round one to the people.

      Alan - 2012-04-25 12:25

      No matter what - the people have had enough of the extortion and corruption. So whatever the court rules will be irrelevant at the end of the day. The toll roads will eventualy be scrapped. There is only so much that people are prepared to take, and SANRAL and the ANC have pushed this one too far.

      Fredster - 2012-04-25 12:29

      Are we allowed to say Outa?

      Stille - 2012-04-25 12:31

      lol fred, wonder ek ook....

      Brad - 2012-04-25 12:32

      As the ants attack the the elephant!

      tyron.fawcett - 2012-04-25 12:33

      May this be the start of south africans fighting together for what is rite!

      gonga.grace - 2012-04-25 12:35

      Maybe

      rbphiri - 2012-04-25 12:43

      Nazir and scumral hahahahaha kiss our collective uncooperative asses. Power to the people

      Kobus - 2012-04-25 13:01

      HEITA OUTA!!!

      rbphiri - 2012-04-25 13:07

      Excuse the pun, but scumral is road kill

      Xavier7034 - 2012-04-25 13:21

      We are, one step at a time approaching: "This nation, shall have a NEW birth of freedom—and that government OF the people, BY the people, FOR the people, shall not perish from the earth."

      IcemanGP - 2012-04-25 13:31

      And petrol goes up again, to push us over the R12 mark, one of the reasons could be this ... http://www.nyasatimes.com/malawi/2012/04/25/south-africa-gives-malawi-us-35m-fuel-windfall/

      stefan.vanderspuy - 2012-04-25 14:11

      This "Outa" is doing a good job...

  • kev47 - 2012-04-25 12:15

    We're all behind you, OUTA!

      Jacobus - 2012-04-25 12:37

      Is all this FOR the OUTA, BY the OUTA, or because of the OUTA?

      rbphiri - 2012-04-25 13:03

      I bet the thumbs down are idiots who are probably shoving their E-tags where the sun doesnt shine.

      Mhlonso - 2012-04-25 13:27

      United we stand!! How can a person accept a job like CEO of SANRAL where your mandate is to screw your fellow country men. Pleople need to do introspect sometimes before accepting the job.

      Mhlonso - 2012-04-25 13:29

      Or how can any one be employed at the E-tag centers??

      Phillie - 2012-04-25 13:31

      @phiri the thumbs down must be the board members of sanral or ANC fat cats benefiting from this scam

      Steve - 2012-04-25 13:31

      Rphiri, i kinda guess that is outa sight

  • Bryan - 2012-04-25 12:16

    REVOLUTION.........Screw Sanral and the ANC fatcats!!!!

      Martin - 2012-04-25 12:40

      sheesh michael, another day, according to the handbook we gotta riot first, damnit man;)

      Johnathon - 2012-04-25 23:06

      E-tolling is nothing more than 1 tax too far. The last straw that broke the camel’s back. British Govt kept increasing taxes continuously until economy went into nosedive. People had no money left to buy TV's. Furniture, clothes. quality foods, wine, beer, cars,holidays,curtains anything you want to name. Taxes had to be reduced so that British economy could survive. Same thing happening here. All we have to do is ignore SANRAL completely for 2 months, and they will explode at the seams. Ali predicted 7% default rate, which others worked out to result in 2.1 million court summonses per month. Take what I could believe listening to news 24 comments, 80% default. This relates to 25 million court summonses per month. If SANRAL account, or any fine they place on you does not arrive registered post as prescribed by AARTO, just bin it and say summons / fine / empty SANRAL threat never ever received by you. They cannot prove a thing legally. Also ask for copy of each toll photo, and require it sent registered mail. With all false number plates, you have every right to demand this. Also have plenty cans of mace in car to spray SANRAL thugs, who all of a sudden have been given powers of search, seizure and arrest. Just what lengths of illegality can SANRAL sink too. Police require probably 2 years at police college, and 2 yrs on job training, before they are ever given such legal powers. Just pepper spray all SANRAL thugs.

  • YvetteT1968 - 2012-04-25 12:17

    Excellent but this is only a small step forward!

      rbphiri - 2012-04-25 13:04

      Ja compared to the big foot butth0le government

  • Erno - 2012-04-25 12:19

    BRILLIANT!

      Johnathon - 2012-04-25 23:53

      I have heard that SANRAL has already completely lost 50 000 e-tag applications, and have asked those concerned to please re-apply. This incompetence evident, even before the system has kicked off. I just so pity those that have bought e-tags and given SANRAL carte blanch access to their credit card or bank account. Boetie, you are going to sweat blood after SANRAL starts taking all sorts of wrong amounts off your account. SANRAL in all its arrogance, has already announced that it will not be interested in any motorist who claims to have been unfairly charged. It is completely up to the motorist to prove beyond any reasonable doubt, that SANRAL is actually at fault. Very good luck to all those idiots out there, who shivered at SANRAL'S ugly, empty, threats. You lucky guys will probably be having all sorts of wonderful amounts deducted off your account, even though SANRAL may have then already been forced to scrap e-tolling completely. It will be their last desperate effort to try and reduce the billions upon billions, they will already have lost. Stand together, or we will all fall together.

  • Thomas - 2012-04-25 12:20

    One small step for OUTA, one giant leap for the people!!!!

  • Warwick - 2012-04-25 12:20

    Good on you judge.

      rbphiri - 2012-04-25 13:05

      Give that man a Bells

      Alan - 2012-04-25 13:09

      For whom the Bell(s) Tolls....

  • henno.kruger - 2012-04-25 12:21

    Round One to the people of SA :)

  • Thoka - 2012-04-25 12:22

    thanks god.

      Alan - 2012-04-25 12:45

      God

      Thoka - 2012-04-25 13:44

      Aren't we allowed to say God once in a while?? Lol

      Maredi - 2012-04-25 15:23

      Thank God, Warra

  • esethu3 - 2012-04-25 12:22

    this is where I say AMANDLA!!!!! TO THE PEOPLE of Mzantsi

      Xavier7034 - 2012-04-25 13:23

      Fo Sho!

  • David - 2012-04-25 12:23

    At last. A judge that has stood up for the people. Hopefully the correct decisions are made. Down with SANRAL and the ANC corruption

  • Rhyno - 2012-04-25 12:23

    Geez, they could have picked a better acronym...don't you think?

      gerry.pelser - 2012-04-25 12:25

      I was thinking that yself...

      Marion - 2012-04-25 12:26

      Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance unfortunately does translate to that acronym which hopefully is not used in SA every day vocabulary anymore.

      Hugh - 2012-04-25 12:28

      Love the acronym...

      Harley - 2012-04-25 12:28

      Why, whats wrong with 'Sanral is OUTA here", lol

      Alan - 2012-04-25 12:30

      Good one Harley!

      Nirosha - 2012-04-26 09:35

      Love it! outta here.

  • Marion - 2012-04-25 12:23

    I thought the judge said 'no' to the urgent application yesterday. Overjoyed that I misunderstood the article. Three cheers for Judge Bill Prinsloo. The people will be heard. So glad I signed OUTA's petition.

  • patrick.saunders123 - 2012-04-25 12:23

    the first step but an important one. you can bet that sanral, despite alli baba's claims, will drag this out as long as possible with appeal after appeal should they lose.

      Alan - 2012-04-25 12:27

      yeah - juju style

      Marc - 2012-04-25 13:06

      For once our judicial systems slow process will benefit the people.

      Marion - 2012-04-25 13:09

      @patrick - are there only 40 thieves?

      Saleé - 2012-04-25 13:47

      Well Patrick, the matter will be heard on an urgent basis, which means that it cannot be dragged out forever. If an interim interdict has been applied for; and if SANRAL cannot show why they should not be interdicted from implementing e-tolls, then the judge will stop them from going ahead in the interim. They can then come back another day to argue why the interdict must be lifted. But, for as long as the interdict stands, there will be no e-tolls.

  • Hugh - 2012-04-25 12:27

    E(xtorsion) T(r)olls 1- Outa's 1. Let the games begin

  • Adrian - 2012-04-25 12:28

    Now they need to get the info on exactly how much money is collectad yearly from petrol tax,current tolls and tax on new vehicles.where its spent and why they cannot use it to pay for current upgrades.

  • Adrian - 2012-04-25 12:28

    Now they need to get the info on exactly how much money is collectad yearly from petrol tax,current tolls and tax on new vehicles.where its spent and why they cannot use it to pay for current upgrades.

      Phillie - 2012-04-25 13:42

      @Muedes Rittest Want to know where all this money is going read http://toxinews.blogspot.com/2012/04/sanral-from-australian-newspaper-on.html and see how the fatcats are skimming this nation

  • capetownphotographer - 2012-04-25 12:33

    Amandla Awethu

      skyetor - 2012-04-25 15:52

      Scamral: Amandla Awhekhu

      Gerry - 2012-04-25 18:36

      CT photographer. On a totally different subject. Did I read correctly in todays Argus that I cannot take pictures in Cape Town without a permit?? Not even a snapshot of van Riebeeck staue, the mountain, etc.?

      Nirosha - 2012-04-26 09:35

      Viva Gp, viva.

  • Dave - 2012-04-25 12:38

    EFFFING yaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • greg.isaacson - 2012-04-25 12:48

    Please someone explain to me what the heck is happening.....I thought this judgement was supposed to rule if the E-tolls would go through? so this ruling is a ruling that it can proceed to court??? since when did you need to go to court to see if you can go to court.....anyways so now what?

      Riaan - 2012-04-25 13:09

      The judge had to rule first whether the application was deemed urgent. Now that he had ruled that he sees it as urgent, the case can go ahead. Because of the urgency he will have to make a ruling before Monday.

      Kobus - 2012-04-25 13:14

      Basically how I understand it is that SANRAL contended that the case should not be heard, because it is not urgent. Then OUTA argued, successfully, as to why the case should be heard, but unfortunately that took up the whole of yesterday. Fortunately, what this does mean, is that the case will go ahead, maybe even today, and will be heard before Monday. We should know by the end of tomorrow where we stand.

  • thabo.promise - 2012-04-25 12:48

    The judge ruled without fear or favour for step #1 ,nice #1 thank God.

  • nkadimeng - 2012-04-25 12:50

    Etolling is OUTA control, kudos to the movement.

  • Victor - 2012-04-25 12:59

    One small step for man one giant leap for mankind.

  • Bongani - 2012-04-25 13:00

    for those who do not understand the ruling.The judge ruled that he will proceed with applicacation,in other words he was ruling against the urgememnt presented by Sanral that Sanral presented an urgument that this matter is not urgent.it is only now that the application to stop e-tolling will proceed.

  • Bongani - 2012-04-25 13:00

    for those who do not understand the ruling.The judge ruled that he will proceed with applicacation,in other words he was ruling against the urgememnt presented by Sanral that Sanral presented an urgument that this matter is not urgent.it is only now that the application to stop e-tolling will proceed.

  • christo.storm - 2012-04-25 13:00

    give that man a Bell's

  • ngoako.mathekga - 2012-04-25 13:08

    Well OUTA is not stopping the implementation completely, so what will happen once all those concerns are addressed by SANRAL?

      Marion - 2012-04-25 13:13

      @ngoako - the main objection, apart from the exorbitant costs, is that they want to toll roads in urban areas. Don't believe that SANRAL will ever be able to justify this.

      ngoako.mathekga - 2012-04-25 13:27

      @Marion, I will watch this closely but somehow this might go the SNRAL way. I'm disappointed with the likes of COSATU as the knew about this in 2007 and never said a word as their investment arm was benefiting then and all knew the it will be tolled. lastly the technicality about this is that last time was stopped with reasons of Wolrd Cup forgeting about the needs of South Africans. what a shame.

  • gembleton1 - 2012-04-25 13:11

    "The deal between Sanral and Kapsch of Austria, the e-tolling operating company is not with the corporate entity, but with Kapsch Sweden. Kapsch Sweden used to be SAAB Aerospace, a 50% shareholder in a company called SANIP. British Aerospace held the other 50%. SANIP is alleged to be the payment vehicle used by SAAB and BAE to pay the alleged bribes of around R100Million in the Arms Deal saga to ensure that the Gripen fighter was chosen. The names Hlongwane, Modise, ANC, Zuma, Shaik figure prominently in the list of alleged recipients. So why Kapsch Sweden, not the corporate entity? I leave it to your imagination. How much? According to the corporate structure used to implement e-tolling in SA, about 80c of each rand of profit can be repatriated to Austria via Sweden. Gauteng alone expects to generate about R350Million a month in toll fees. Assuming a very conservative 10% profit available to be repatriated, that means about R28Million a month to go overseas"

      Bloodstone - 2012-04-25 13:20

      Very Interesting Grant. When will some professional investigative journalist pick this up an run with in order for us to know the whole truth behind this new "E-Toll Scandal"?

      glenyso2 - 2012-04-25 13:49

      Well not from me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Kurt - 2012-04-25 13:18

    This is why we have a Democracy and a pretty good court system

  • Vinette - 2012-04-25 13:18

    And the people shall govern!!! But let's just be calm about this state of affairs for now. The outcome of the later hearing determines whether or not there is a postponement of the launch the effing e-tolling!

  • Adrian - 2012-04-25 13:20

    VACANCY: 2 atm bombers with ectensive knowlegde of gangries. To start imediately!

      Alan - 2012-04-25 13:27

      Vacancy _ English Spelling Teacher

      Alan - 2012-04-25 13:41

      whahaaa - another Thumbs Down. Love it!

  • Marion - 2012-04-25 13:24

    The NP used to borrow x amount from taxpayers from time to time and then repay it with interest after a year or two. Why doesn't the ANC do the same on big projects?

      Alan - 2012-04-25 13:27

      Well - they do the borrowing part pretty well ...

      Marion - 2012-04-25 15:51

      lol... I actually have hopes that SARS would pay it back if they borrow it.

  • ThaboShakuNews24 - 2012-04-25 13:27

    The High Court should safe us from these hyenas clothed as SANTRAL!!

  • Piet - 2012-04-25 13:28

    Up yours Nazir!!!!

  • Piet - 2012-04-25 13:36

    Where is liberal Gerhard?

      Phillie - 2012-04-25 13:49

      And for that matter blip???

  • Msika - 2012-04-25 13:40

    So the judge said to SCUMRAL: This is not your bed room this, this is m\tcourt room and you don't come here with that extortion tendency, not here. You can do it somewhere else, not here. If you have got a tendency of undermining citizens of this country even where you work, you are in the wrong place. Chief, can you remove this thing OUTA here!!

  • John - 2012-04-25 13:41

    Power to the people !! Viva Viva Viva !!!!!!! We will not stand for nepotism, corruption and greed.

  • Saleé - 2012-04-25 13:41

    I love the way this e-toll business is unifying South Africans. Unity in adversity!

  • Alfie - 2012-04-25 13:41

    LONDON TIMES - QUOTE OF THE WEEK? Interesting point of view of Affirmative Action: "South Africa is the only country in the world where affirmative action is in the favour of the majority who has complete political control. The fact that the political majority requires affirmative action to protect them against a 9% minority group is testament to a complete failure on their part to build their own wealth making structures, such that their only solution is to take it from others." Finally, a word recently coined to describe South Africa's current political situation. Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc'-ra-cy)- a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

      Bloodstone - 2012-04-25 13:44

      Alfie. Have you posted the comment above at the wrong article?

      Sizwe Zintulizebhasi Zwane - 2012-04-25 14:11

      is this petrol hike their of giving up on the e-toll but making sure that we pay them either we like it or not

  • Alfie - 2012-04-25 13:43

    LONDON TIMES - QUOTE OF THE WEEK? Interesting point of view of Affirmative Action: "South Africa is the only country in the world where affirmative action is in the favour of the majority who has complete political control. The fact that the political majority requires affirmative action to protect them against a 9% minority group is testament to a complete failure on their part to build their own wealth making structures, such that their only solution is to take it from others." Finally, a word recently coined to describe South Africa's current political situation. Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc'-ra-cy)- a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

  • Ntuthuko - 2012-04-25 13:57

    Let this court battle drag on until 2014, so this e-toll stench can be a reminder to nation when we go to the poles.

  • mica.gogome - 2012-04-25 14:01

    Yet another oppressive system in South Af\r\nrica.

  • Nosiphom - 2012-04-25 14:04

    They were just pulling a stunt, hoping to get the matter off the roll, get e-toll to commence, and then whenever the matter is heard it would have been that much more difficult to stop it. Sorry Sanral and DoT, actually I don;t symphathise with you. Justice is slowly being served.

  • Andile - 2012-04-25 14:08

    Dear Izinyoka, Now it's time you give back to the community... Please steal eToll power cables. We beg you Yours sincerely Motorists

  • Ridwan - 2012-04-25 14:14

    I SMELL VICTORY!

  • ben.bezuidenhout3 - 2012-04-25 14:24

    My question is, if SCAMRAL and Treasury says that not going ahead will have an effect on future road building, then why the f@ck do they get another country to come here and do the work if SA can employ our own people?????????????????

      Marion - 2012-04-25 15:57

      Excellent point considering the government owns SANRAL.

      Judith - 2012-04-25 20:09

      And what happened to the piece of road that was there before, for which I have already paid as a taxpayer...?

  • Dhavandran - 2012-04-25 14:30

    good for you judge, show the govt that the independence of the judiciary will not intimidated by corrupt ministers and restore our faith in our justice system.

      Ridwan - 2012-04-25 14:50

      Lets see how good our judiciary system is! Will they be "Ordered" to deny an interdict by Mr Shower-head? Testing times.....

  • Maki - 2012-04-25 15:27

    worse petrol is going up next month, where do we get the money

      Marion - 2012-04-25 15:57

      You pawn your car to buy petrol. :-(((

  • Gordon - 2012-04-25 16:01

    VIVA JUDGE BILL PRINSLOO, WE SALUTE YOU!

  • Gordon - 2012-04-25 16:02

    VIVA JUSTICE VIVA, VIVA VIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA