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Kempton Park cop 'refused to call ambulance'

2011-04-28 07:53

Johannesburg - A car guard who said he witnessed the shooting of an unarmed civilian outside the Kempton Park police station, east of Johannesburg, has told The Star newspaper that the policeman refused to call an ambulance.

Sipho Baloyi, who had helped Jeanette Odendaal, 45, to park her car when she crashed into a stationary police vehicle, said the sergeant shot her from short distance after Baloyi alerted the police to the accident in the parking lot.

"A sergeant came around from the charge office and walked out of the station. He didn't say anything, but walked to her passenger window. He shot her upper arm and it looked like the bullet went through her breast and out of her chest," said Baloyi.

The police officer then walked back into the police station, but returned a few seconds later.

He said he pleaded with the sergeant to call emergency services.

But, said Baloyi, the sergeant told him: "She's dying already, there's no point in calling the ambulance."

He said other police officers flooded the scene after the shooting and demanded to know from the sergeant why he had shot her. The sergeant then allegedly burst into tears.

Beeld newspaper reported that Odendaal, who lived in Aston Manor, a few kilometres from the police station, had wanted to report a case of disturbance of peace.

The Star said her family would travel from Middelburg in Mpumalanga on Thursday to identify her body.

The Independent Complaints Directorate (ICD) said on Wednesday that the sergeant had been arrested and would appear in court soon.

It was believed that he mistook the noise of the crash for gun shots.

Comments
  • Slapper - 2011-04-28 08:03

    An absolutely disgraceful incident.. again. My condolences to the family and friends. We have an out of control incompetent leading the Police and an out of control police force.

      p123 - 2011-04-28 08:49

      This is clearly a racist attack, imagine the headlines and ranting from Julius if things were the other way around!!!

      Tc - 2011-04-28 09:23

      ..then there are liberal non-thinkers who still claim that we 'live in a woderful country', that we have 'achieved much since 1994'! Rubish!

      Bloodbane - 2011-04-28 09:23

      if this was my family meber that cop would be dead now.

      Thangy - 2011-04-28 10:37

      Well Bheki Cele, looks like your shoot to kill policy is in full effect, implemented by idiots!!! even if what he heard were indeed gun shots, why the hell come out guns blazing??

      Eric West - 2011-04-28 11:28

      If this were a white cops and a black victim, the liberal media would have shouted "racist shooting!". I guess only white people can be racists?

      KomboKitten - 2011-04-28 11:37

      its not a racist attack ITS AN ATTACK OF STUPIDITY

      Staal_Burger - 2011-04-28 22:54

      This is exactly how the Apartheid Police FORCE was allowed to operate. You attract- and maintain a bunch of psychos (by bizarre recruitment policies), then you arm them and persistently vilify a certain population group – the rest will follow naturally (as was the case here – expect more of this, though...). The ultimate aim is to terrorise a certain population to the point where this population group is too scared to make use of its own police force – then you have the ultimate freedom for your militia to operate with impunity. Note - as with Mugabe who's personal militia is the "war veterans", Zuma's personal militia is the ANCYL/NYDA. Black gangs will ‘operate’ upon white targets with absolute impunity and it will pass entirely without the rest of the world’s knowledge. For this privilege the ANC asks only for a vote... In a Police State - that Apartheid was and what the ANC is re-establishing – the police force (listen carefully how often the lead fascist gangster Bheke Cele refers to the police as a “FORCE”, when it is supposed to be a “SERVICE”) the police serves as an internal army against certain people first (then if time allows they may act against criminals). I firmly believe SA’s white population is approaching a point where a ‘class-action’-style, mass application for asylum, directly presented to the United Nations and/or to the International Court in Den Haag, is appropriate. The alternative is the ANC’s clear plan of ETHNIC CLEANSING by STEALTH..!

      thirty thirty - 2011-04-29 07:46

      If I am ever fortunate enough to move to/visit a first-world country and get pulled over in a random traffic stop then I will ask the officer if he/she would mind having a picture taken of the both of us in front of his/her squad car. I'll frame it and invite the officer over for 'n braai because I will be euphoric at the notion of a police force I feel safe around.

      Muna - 2011-04-29 11:36

      If that car guard has half a brain he will dissapear or the ANC (Cele and Julius goon squad will make him dissappear. Already this morning this EX-policeman court case was full of bungling there was no court docket and the case was not even on the role. Nothing will come of it he did his job killed another whitey and so it too will be swept under the carpet, us whiteys are all cowards we either run away to Australia or just keep quiet yet the blacks Toy-Toy and protest until there demands are met it is time we stood up enmasse.

  • Jerry - 2011-04-28 08:07

    very sad..the same police who are supposed to protect us are killing us,what happened to this country of ours. Instead of going after real criminals, they attack the law abiding citizens. My condolences to the family of the deceased

      Warren - 2011-04-28 18:26

      We don't have a police force anymore, we have'nt had one for a while!!! If 80% of cops are criminals then we have a CRIMINAL FORCE with CRIMINAL OFFICERS!!!!!!!!!! Viva Bheki Cele, Viva Jacob Zuma, Viva ANC, Viva Anti-Aids Shower, Viva Going To Heaven, Viva Nepotism, Viva Corruption, Viva Cadre Deployment, Viva The Same Shit All Over Again After The Next Election, Viva!!!!!!!!

      Larissa - 2011-04-29 23:01

      80% of cops are criminals - You can not possibly call them "cops" LoL... They are just hobos picked up off the side of the road. The real ones was retrenched or went to Australia...

  • JohnnyWotten - 2011-04-28 08:07

    "It was believed that he mistook the noise of the crash for gun shots." From what, a BB gun? What a psycho.

      Gustav - 2011-04-28 08:46

      ...and then you walk up to the closest person and shoot them point blank???????

      Monica - 2011-04-28 13:29

      BULLSHIT.

      Grant - 2011-04-28 15:50

      Its the closest thing to an excuse they could find at the time. Wouldn't be surprised if its a good enough one too!!

      Warren - 2011-04-28 17:59

      Actually the sergeant did'nt hear anything, paragraph two of the report states that the car guard (Baloyi) allerted him to the accident so his version of events is BS! The other crazy thing that happened here is that some "judge" gave him R1000.00 bail (on a Saterday afternoon) after shooting this woman at point blank range, in full view of a witness!!! WTF???

  • Rijger - 2011-04-28 08:08

    My deepest sympathy to the family of the deceased. "It was believed he mistook the sound of the crash for gunfire" Damn, how stupid must this policeman be. Vast difference in sound, apart from that, she was parking her car, not racing it. As for refusing to call the emergency services, why did anybody else in tht staion refrain from calling?

      Dan - 2011-04-28 08:48

      If you really want to know how stupid and incompetent the police realy have become, then just go and try to report any case at a police station. NONE of those idiots can write, not to mention spell. So yes, they are stupid enough to even think a fart is a gunshot.

      simon - 2011-04-28 09:29

      He is stupid enough to get a top job in government, say, minister of police? This is far worse than the shooting of Hector Pietersen that this government always drags out on June 16. This and The murder by the government of Andries Tatane must mark the end of the ANC in any decent-thinking person.

  • daaivark - 2011-04-28 08:10

    Heard a few bangs so went out and shot someone in the first stationary car he saw. Way to go, SAPS!

      Tieneke - 2011-04-28 09:19

      Wish they would rather treat child molesters this way.......

      ZAR Minority X - 2011-04-28 18:42

      She's lucky he didn't rape her first. I don't care how tough the economy/s is/are in 1st world countries, I will leave at the 1st opportunity - the alternative is a civil war in SA, make your choice...

  • jamesonl - 2011-04-28 08:10

    This is getting out of hand

      Delarey - 2011-04-28 08:48

      Badger please shut up!! It is pacifist B.S. like yours that got us to where we are today! Go an do needlework with your mom!

      Logs01 - 2011-04-28 09:01

      NO, Its been out of hand for a LONG time. Lot of people only realize it now.

  • Badger - 2011-04-28 08:11

    The problem is much deeper than what it appears. Police officers are exposed to heavy trauma daily and the problem is that such incidents are not addressed efectively. They should make it compulsary for ALL police officials to see a competent psychiatrist at least once a year. I do not even want to try justify the police official's actions. But from the article it seems that this person has serious problems. This is so sad that the person who looked up to the police for help got killed by them over such a petty matter. Condolences to the victim's family.

      Chantal - 2011-04-28 08:28

      the only trauma they have is from corruption, for many year the police was recruited from the bottom level of a matric group.

      Point Blank - 2011-04-28 08:31

      Yup, our police members are traumatised and many are suffering from PTSD...

      WhatAJoke - 2011-04-28 08:40

      What serious problems can you deduce from the story! one goes to a police station for things like reporting and accident getting an affadavid or even a stamp from the commisioner of oaths. So if you bump their vehicle you get shot!!! please do me a favour dont be an idiot too!!

      Dan - 2011-04-28 08:49

      No Badger, the police are our trauma!!!

      Goose - 2011-04-28 08:55

      No way Badger! Don't defend the indefensible. SA since '94 has consistently and purposefully hired no-hopers who cannot even read or write. A small fraction of cops have the basic levels of literacy-this by police managements own admission! The problem is that the vast majority of cops are corrupt and ARE criminals. Any wonder why the situation in SA has got worse. If the police hired matriculants with NO CRIMINAL RECORD, then they would be performing the absolute bare minimum requirement, for a start. Anything less is unacceptable. The current SAPS is sheltered employment for the masses.

      Logs01 - 2011-04-28 09:03

      A psychiatrist cannot fix incompetence and stupidity.

      MadMatt_88 - 2011-04-28 09:06

      Trauma from having to sit in the queue at Chicken Licken. Soon you will get shot at to clear the queue for them to purchase Hot Wings.

      joe - 2011-04-28 09:13

      @Badger: What utter c..p you speak. The police brutality problem, as you might have noticed,is almost a weekly occurrence nowadays.The true reason is that the SAPS is infested with gun-happy, gung-ho, ill-disciplined, untrained, arrogant ex- freedom fighters/cadres/terrorists(whatever you wish to call them)who don't see themseves as servants of the public. They see themselves as still being "fighters" of some kind. I exclude the small handful of true policemen/women that are still around.

      Ettienne - 2011-04-28 09:21

      I would agree that there are SOME officers exposed to these circumstances. However, when applying to the service, you already do know what you are in for and may be confronted with. So if you cant handle that trauma that you may be faced with, do not join the SAPS as you are a danger to us civilians whom you are supposed to protect, let alone yourself. This idiot, should NEVER have been handed a firearm, as he is totally incompetent. The fact that he even refused to summons an Ambulance, is clear that there he is inadequate for this job. In my opinion, he is racist and this was a racist killing. I mean, really, he walked up to her car, shot her through the passenger window and returned to the charge office? May he be sentenced to life!!!! Condolences to the bereaved family.

      simon - 2011-04-28 09:32

      Badger -- Are you sane ? Do you realise what actually happened ? Do you think this is just a schoolyard prank? I think you are the one that needs psychiatric help !

      lynnea.gough - 2011-04-28 09:43

      it should then be the governments responsibility to provide trauma councelling to the police and make sure they are emotinally fit to work... so these things dont happen.

      masamune - 2011-04-28 09:48

      I agree with badger.the human psyche is very complex.All you people speak of what you dont understand.why do soldiers do the things they do after being in combat? Its easy for you guyz to sit and complain not knowing what these people go through.Why do people resort to killing when their angry?always keep in mind the human psyche when dealing with a human being.its easily influenced and easily damaged by the environment.What these police are doing is wrong yes,but dont just write them off thats not going to help.counselln is the way to go

      LGVS - 2011-04-28 10:05

      @Badger. They should appoint a better type of person and not the riff raff that they do appoint.

      Badger - 2011-04-28 11:12

      I get your point. I looked at from the perpective of the good cops that are still in the force. I agree that there are many incompetent, criminal elements in the force, but dont you think that such strategy could assist in highligthing and pointing out the ines that you are referring to. Simon I know what happened and can read. No need to get personal just because I raised my opinion from a different point of view. I was talking from the point of view of why fathers and mothers suddenly kill their children etc. There must be something wrong. I also agree that the selection criteria for police officials should be much stricter.

      McFreak - 2011-04-28 11:20

      @Badger......Stress is one thing but the recruitment process is flawed. How stressed must you be to refuse to call for an ambulance because your victim is dying? This is not stress, it is a form of manic depraved sickness...and he had a rank!!! Pig

      Badger - 2011-04-28 11:31

      @ Mc Freak. Yes you are right about the selection process. But let's look at it wider. When civilions want to possess a fire arm they must be subjected to serious testing to proof competence. I am sure that if an independant phychiatrist do such testing on cops it will come to the fore that many of them should not be issued or have access to fire arms at all. Whether due to stress, incompetence, lazyness, racial hatred or what ever reason. The point that I tried to make is that the problem is much deeper than what it appeared to be. I know I will be crucified for my comment but I am trying to be constructive in suggesting what can be done to avoid such occurences.

      Lucy - 2011-04-28 15:13

      I agree with you Badger - the problem is far deeper than it appears. Many very diligent and hard working policemen and women are subjected daily to extreme trauma - and the ongoing frustrations they face certainly contribute to their exceedingly high suicide rates! Sure there are rotten eggs but a lot of the problems stem from poor management and training. My heart goes out to the victims family.

      Snoopy88 - 2011-04-29 09:26

      @ Etienne. That's rubbish. Many of these police officers are simply doing it because its the only work they can get. And if you think sufficient psychological screening is going on... don't make me laugh! They can't even debrief staff properly. Hence the high number of murder-suicides. South Africans are falling apart at the seams... and especially our police. Many of whom have had a life time of hardship and then find themselves in a war zone day in day out... mistrusted and disliked by everyone on all sides.. is it any wonder so many of them crack?

  • Phil - 2011-04-28 08:13

    It is time something drastic is done with the police service. It is rotten to the core (I am sure there are many good policemen/women inside this abortion of a service we have before someone else says it). Get in a professional service from overseas (hence politically neutral), fire every last person, and have them re-apply and be retrained based on ability and aptitude. Dreaming i know, we are doomed to 'Cadre' deployment, racism, corruption and incompetence, helped along with a thoroughly unhelpful overdose of AA!!!

  • Wacko - 2011-04-28 08:17

    Shoot the bastard , swine......

  • JadedJay - 2011-04-28 08:17

    Please send this story to as many international publications and friends to show the world what thugs we have as police force. Its time to take the fight back to the government. Our own police force is killing us and it has become more than apparent that their is a racist mandate from the ruling party and the police force against whites. Plks forward to all your friends and family abroad. Lets start to create awareness.

      Dan - 2011-04-28 08:54

      Then you must experience the racial hate when it comes to Metro Police. They are even worse.

      patch - 2011-04-28 08:58

      Shjeesh buddy, you're being a bit alarmist there... The police force has a racist mandate? Really? So whites are the only ones being shot, locked up etc...? No mate, you're horribly wrong I think. We may have an overwhelming number of incompetent, fat ass, lazy, corrupt, nepotist, affirmatively placed public servants (and once you step outside parliament it's pretty much the same), but I don't think we're in danger of a racially motivated police force (just ask Andries...).

      Proffie - 2011-04-28 10:25

      Not only whites Jaded, Andries Tatane from Fickburg was a darkie, also got roughed up and shot by the self same cops.

      Gonny@24.com - 2011-04-29 10:15

      Once again whites playing race card - when theres absolutely no indication in this article that the policeman is black! Same clowns supported the blue bulls rugby player when they thought he killed random black people for the rape of his daughter because they thought the player was WHITE - then when they realised he was BLACK - they came out with their chip on the shoulder Verwoed true colours.

  • Agent - 2011-04-28 08:17

    Again the wrong people employed as police man it is not about beeing proud of your job it is only about a salary, wrong evaluation.

      Spoofed - 2011-04-28 09:49

      You can also go as far as to blame BEE as people get the job based on the colour of their skin and not their qualifications... i know this from personal experience, i have somebody in my family who has been in the force for 28 years, and she gets denied her applications for promotions as she is white. you want proof? go ask the girl who got the post last year instead, she has been in the force for 2 years. go figure...

      Gonny@24.com - 2011-04-29 10:17

      Spoofed - before we ask that girl who got the job for two years - ask your family member to submit proof of her qualifications and the other girl and then we can make a rational judgement as to what happened. Experience of 28 years means nothing these days if you dont have the papers - for all we know this girl had her Masters in Policing. Without facts your comments are baseless.

  • zulufox - 2011-04-28 08:18

    this is sad, I hope this guy gets what he deserves... may her soul rest in peace...

      Dan - 2011-04-28 08:59

      What does he deserve? It could have been your wife/mother, just going out for bread and milk and never to return. Shot in cold blood by another f@#kin police bastard. Look at the rubbish in charde of police forces: Cele, McBride and don't forget our own mafia friend Selebi. This is how the top guys in the police/Metro police look like - just imagine those below them.

      chopie - 2011-04-28 09:00

      I hope so to

      zulufox - 2011-04-28 12:46

      @Dan, he deserves to be prosecuted and thrown to jail for the rest of his life for all I care... This woman deserves justice...

      Warren - 2011-04-28 18:09

      1) The murder was committed in front of a witness. 2) He somehow got bail. 3) Bail was only R1000.00. 4) Bail was granted on a Saterday afternoon. Does anybody honestly believe he is going to get what he deserves???

  • Marie - 2011-04-28 08:21

    Mistaken the crash for gun shots - not a chance! They call these killers officers of peace, I call it blatant killing. Get rid of this sick and incompetent root in the police force. Yes, they are under pressure, but if you can't handle it, get out, then you don't belong there. My condolences to the victim's family.

  • avaricesa - 2011-04-28 08:26

    What the?....

  • Sir Eidolon - 2011-04-28 08:28

    What a terrible tragedy.

  • Darwinian - 2011-04-28 08:30

    Another race based murder... SICK

      Janine - 2011-04-28 09:20

      Where does it say what racial group the policeman belonged to? Aren't you making rather an unfounded assumption here?

  • Theuns - 2011-04-28 08:32

    Typical example of an Police state!

  • Mapora - 2011-04-28 08:32

    This is just sick. I think we as the citizens need to take a stance and say enough is enough. We must march against this brutality.

      chopie - 2011-04-28 08:59

      march ?..then the ANCYL will interfere and then we will be arrested ..I agree with you though ..but looked what happened to the DA when they tried to march ..

      Dan - 2011-04-28 09:00

      18 May is the citizen's chance, but the masses will just vote ANC again. Sorry, but that is just the way it is.

      Logs01 - 2011-04-28 09:08

      @Mapora, Been saying that and 'working" for that for a long time, BUT most people "HOPE" it will get better by itself and just do nothing to support efforts to change the situation.

      Spoofed - 2011-04-28 09:52

      Yes lets march and get beaten to death....

  • rudolph.scharneck - 2011-04-28 08:34

    This is very bad! I cannot even start to think that we should be afraid of the people who should protect us.

  • Whatever - 2011-04-28 08:34

    One can fully understand why the perception of safty in police stations has been replaced with fear, bribery, intimidation & non delivery. Its time the minister actually started to control his police force through discipline. In JHB North if you drive an expensive car, you get pulled over regularly for no reason. After a cursory check of your car & license the agenda comes out "can you buy me a coke" etc. If you have been drinking then the usual issue of do you want to be tested comes into play! Pay or dont pay the guys are to lazy to take you to the station most of the time, so drunk drivers carry on driving on our roads etc. This issue of paying private security firms to guard our police stations needs further debate! Then use the army if its too expensive but new recruits should be doing this. No wonder there is no discipline. You need to earn your rank and earn respect and work your way up the ranks. Stop abusing these uniforms. Do your work and please protect us and make us feel safe while you catch the criminals! I know many parents who desist from telling their young children to go to the local police station if they have a problem and at night teenagers are encouraged to get hold of guardians rather than approach a policeman due to a number of widely report negative incidents that have been reported. Lets get rid of these negatives & make these stations places of safety & these policeman that man thenm people of higher integrity than the people they are policing!

      Dan - 2011-04-28 09:04

      Use the army? Have you seen the army mate, they are even worse than the police. The old Voortrekkerhoogte is now nothing more than a brothel - every senior rank thinks he can shag a junior rank.

      Delarey - 2011-04-28 09:25

      Wishful thinking!

      wgibsonsa - 2011-04-28 09:44

      Always keep a cooldrink mixed with drain cleaner in the car. Give with a smile and drive off.

  • RNB1 - 2011-04-28 08:35

    Bring back the DEATH PENALITY....Finish and KLAAR......then we will see just how fast all this stops....Condolences to her family....

      chopie - 2011-04-28 08:58

      100%

      Anisha - 2011-04-28 09:25

      agreed 110% bring the death penalty back. The excuse that the crash was mistook for gun shots it pure bulll shit. i hope he burns in hell.

      patrice - 2011-04-28 10:46

      Careful what you you wish for - it may be the station commanders brother in flowing robes handing down your sentence for double parking.

      Staal_Burger - 2011-04-28 23:00

      Be VERY careful what you wish for RNB1... In the SA that is coming, you may very quickly find yourself at the wrong end of an accusation without substance and as quickly disposed of.

  • WhatAJoke - 2011-04-28 08:35

    This IDIOT needs to be strung up by his balls, he burst into tears please!!! he knew exactly what he had done. This was just another show of power by another policeman to show that they are above the law.

  • quinna - 2011-04-28 08:37

    ANC GOVERNMENT AIMS TO DISARM S.A. CITIZENS!!! Christian Action Network has led the campaign to expose and counter the new Firearms Control Bill being sneaked through Parliament by an anonymous Committee. When news of the radical new draft bill was leaked out, UCA swung into action. UCA wrote letters to the editors of most newspapers in the country and also to the Ministry of Safety and Security and opposition leaders. We then organised numerous radio phone-in talk shows on the subject and helped launch Victims Against Crime which mobilised the march to Parliament in Cape Town on Wednesday 14 July 1999. This protest action received prominent news coverage on SATV, E-TV, SAFM, Radio 786, the Cape Times, Die Burger and other newspapers, radio stations and TV programmes. Despite the very short notice (most participants had only heard of the march on Tuesday), over one thousand people turned up for the march against crime. The crowd represented a wide cross section of society. The police commented to the organisers how they were impressed with how well organised the march was and how well behaved the participants were. There was a friendly atmosphere, the marchers interacted well with passers-by. Mass quantities of UCA's "The Right to Self Defence" were distributed. As the appointed spokesman for Victims Against Crime, I presented an eight page memorandum to a representative of the Department of Safety and Security. I emphasised in a speech to the marchers that firearms control is counter productive. Interfering with the rights of law abiding citizens to obtain, own, carry and use firearms for self-defence could only serve the purposes of criminals. I challenged the government to stop harassing law abiding citizens and wasting the precious time of our hard pressed police service. Instead of more intrusive legislation, we need consistent enforcement of existing laws against the 4½ million illegal firearms in the hands of criminals. Disarming the potential victims would make the "working environment" of criminals safer - for crime. In just 2 weeks, I had given 14 radio and TV interviews on the subject of crime and the right to self-defence. A further march against crime to Parliament is being planned for 11 August. The implications of the proposed Bill are far reaching. The Sunday Times (11 July 99) reported that the Bill would outlaw nine out of ten legally owned firearms. No person would be allowed to own more than one handgun. License fees would jump to R500 per gun and licenses would have to be renewed every 5 years! Strict limits would be placed on barrel length and maximum calibre, and magazine capacities would be limited to nine rounds. No license holder would be allowed to possess more than 100 rounds. Self Defence would no longer be an acceptable reason for owning a firearm. Even more seriously the Bill would effectively remove constitutional guarantees of the presumption of innocence and access to courts. It would deny millions of citizens their constitutional rights to property, privacy and protection. Instead of dealing with the criminals, the Bill would criminalise law abiding citizens for merely possessing the means of self-defence. The provisions for search and seizure without a warrant in the Bill are blatantly unconstitutional and could lead to flagrant abuses of human rights. You don't have to be a genius to know that criminals prefer defenceless victims. A National Institute of Justice survey of imprisoned criminals found that the one thing criminals fear most isn't the police, prosecution or imprisonment - but victims who turn out to be armed. Firearms are used as much as five times more often for defensive purposes than for criminal purposes. Charlton Heston recently asked the question: "How many innocents aren't murdered, how many daughters aren't raped, how many store keepers aren't robbed and how many pensioners aren't beaten to death simply because they own the life-saving tools of firearms?" Everyday in South Africa dozens of crimes are prevented, hundreds of victims are protected and countless tragedies are averted by armed citizens. Even more citizens aren't murdered, raped, robbed or assaulted because the criminals can't tell who is armed and who isn't. (For documentation, contact: UCA for a free copy of "The Right of Self Defence" UCANEWS - also available in Afrikaans. The book "Holocaust in Rwanda" illustrating the tragic consequences of gun control in that land is avalable for R15 each). The fact is we are not in heaven yet. We live in a fallen world. Mankind is sinful. Firearms are needed for protection and as a deterrent. Armed citizens save lives, but unarmed citizens can become helpless victims.

      avaricesa - 2011-04-28 08:57

      Government should be secular.

      patch - 2011-04-28 09:01

      Nice story, but you've scored overwhelmingly high on the IRRELEVANT category...

  • Bobinator - 2011-04-28 08:38

    what is this i don't even.

  • lucius - 2011-04-28 08:40

    .. and this is why we have a band with the name of "FOKKOF POLISIEKAR"

  • birdman - 2011-04-28 08:41

    They have disarmed us, and now they are killing us. It's part of the ANC plan to rid SA of whites. "Shoot them dead for any reason - and we'll get you off!" It's now time to prepare for war! Si Vis Pacem - Para Bellum.

      Jerry - 2011-04-28 08:51

      Not everything is about race ie Black/White, this is a clear criminal act from a member of the police force, Please comment on the article as this has nothing to do with race but the criminal element within the force

      chopie - 2011-04-28 08:57

      sad but true

      Siener2 - 2011-04-28 09:04

      Birdman you are a loon. This is about a member of the SAPD who is either sick, or untrained, or both.

      resiststance - 2011-04-28 09:10

      *sigh* Why does everyone in this country always assume race for everything. It seems the "currently disadvantaged" are even worse about this now then the "previously disadvantaged" are, with such pathetic stupid people of all races we really are screwed.

      birdman - 2011-04-28 09:11

      @Jerry - pull your head out of the sand and wake up! I suppose "shoot the boer" has nothing to do with race either!

      birdman - 2011-04-28 09:25

      @Siener2. Sick or untrained?? What the hell is he doing carrying a gun? How is he allowed to walk out of a police station and simply shoot an unarmed woman seated in her car? Unfortunately we are being subjected to more and more police acts of "display of force" on a daily basis. How many road blocks have you been stopped at, and when they can see that you are an ordinary motorist proceed to check every item in your car? When reporting a crime at the police station are you treated with respect or disregard? (They can't even fill out a complaint form)! When entering a police station, how many "officers" are actually doing any work? And finally, how much are you spending every month on an "armed security company" to do the police's work for them?

      Jerry - 2011-04-28 09:27

      @birdman..as much as I donot condone that "strugle song" I do not condone crime and that "shoot the boer" is no excuse for any one to commit murder, Im a black law abiding South African who only wants what's best for this country as too much blood has been shed over the years. Please stop painting every black person with one brush and assuming that they are all "ANC" members plotting to kill all White South Africans. Murder is crime and it should be dealt with harshly, you are not helping anyone with your comments.

      BlackSasha - 2011-04-28 13:55

      Jerry for President! Our country needs more like you Jerry!

      Staal_Burger - 2011-04-28 23:05

      This is exactly how the Apartheid Police FORCE was allowed to operate. You attract- and maintain a bunch of psychos (by bizarre recruitment policies), then you arm them and persistently vilify a certain population group – the rest will follow naturally (as was the case here – expect more of this, though...). The ultimate aim is to terrorise a certain population to the point where this population group is too scared to make use of its own police force – then you have the ultimate freedom for your militia to operate with impunity. Note - as with Mugabe who's personal militia is the "war veterans", Zuma's personal militia is the ANCYL/NYDA. Black gangs will ‘operate’ upon white targets with absolute impunity and it will pass entirely without the rest of the world’s knowledge. For this privilege the ANC asks only for a vote... In a Police State - that Apartheid was and what the ANC is re-establishing – the police force (listen carefully how often the lead fascist gangster Bheke Cele refers to the police as a “FORCE”, when it is supposed to be a “SERVICE”) the police serves as an internal army against certain people first (then if time allows they may act against criminals). I firmly believe SA’s white population is approaching a point where a ‘class-action’-style, mass application for asylum, directly presented to the United Nations and/or to the International Court in Den Haag, is appropriate. The alternative is the ANC’s clear plan of ETHNIC CLEANSING by STEALTH..!

  • Channing - 2011-04-28 08:43

    i watched invictus the other day - if there was any truth in the movie the ANC has completely gone the wrong way in terms of mandela's vision of this counrty - ANC and black south africans are still fighting a war that has long been over .... what they dont understand is if the keep pushing the WHITE, COLOURDS and INDIAN of south africa they are going to end up with no money, no food and the biggest fight of their lifes. We can also take a stand, and i guarantee that our stand will make the earth shake

      Tc - 2011-04-28 09:32

      INVICTUS is a pile of PROPOGANDA and lies. Apart from some good acting, surely you cannot take the movie serious.

      scorpio - 2011-04-28 17:52

      Francois Pienaar never met with Nelson Mandela to discuss how to win the world cup - if he did it would have been in Francois's autobiography

      Mickey Fin - 2011-04-28 23:54

      @Channing. "Make the earth shake"???? Wake up moron. Us whites have never and will never stand together. We will have our say on these pages and arround the braai on Sunday. But that is where it stops. You are also one of those who "hope" things will get better!!! Wake up idiot, we are doomed in this country. Condolences to the family.

      Oryx_ZA - 2011-04-29 09:39

      I know what you mean Channing, i was watching district 9 the other day...its almost like these movies are out there for entertainment and can't be used as historical evidence...almost....This is a horrible story but it is not unique. Friend is human rights lawyer, and some of the stories he tells....wow..... One guy has been in prison for over year and half even though there is CC footage proving his innocence, police took him cause they needed to catch someone and well his skin was a little bit darker then most South Africans. He also is stuck in the back log which is our court system. Justice is blind, no argument there, but it doesn't stop cobs from demanding that the next victim to say elbow in Zulu. (If you don't know the significance of that phrase you really don't have the right to complain about violence in SA). It is about race...but it does not end with black on white. Zulu, Xhosa, Afrikaans, English, Mozambican, Angolan, koi-san...one big happy family who have tried to kill each other at difference points in history. Makes you kinda tearful doesn't it.

  • RIMRIM - 2011-04-28 08:44

    Very Sad, Our army and police service are falling apart because there is no discipline, The chain of command is useless, training is inadequate and the pigs have this perception they are above the law. police also work in disgustingly bad conditions which puts mental stress on them. Our soldiers don't even cut the grass at there military bases any more. It is unheard of around the world for police and military to strike which happens here. government needs to implement far stricter punishment and control over the police and military or they will deteriorate unlike Shaby shaiks health!

      resiststance - 2011-04-28 09:17

      Totally agreed, however I don't believe stricter punishment and control is what is needed. I think the real solution to this problem (as well as teaching) would be too drastically up the salary and working conditions and make it a respectable job again, the right type of people would then be attracted they should be hired and the current crop either fired or demoted to positions where they can be trained by the new more adequate bunch. Think for a minute, why is it that our sports professionals earn an insane amount of money for a service that is mostly useless to society (and half of them soccer;cricket are not even good at) yet a crime investigator earns squat? To do one of the most undesirable jobs in this country? Who is more important to a functioning society? Our society is backwards currently with the most useless professions earning the most, until this balance is partially corrected nothing will change.

  • Carolyn - 2011-04-28 08:44

    Bastard needs a bullet himself just to see how it feels. Kill Him you cant trust the cops anymore.

  • Wayne - 2011-04-28 08:47

    This is so typical uneducated probably has a grade 8 if that however is allowed to carry a firearm? yet as a civilian we have to go through 2 years of cr@p to obtain a firearm license! SAPS just hand them out to any monkey while they have helped disarm the SA citizen!

      Crabapple1 - 2011-04-29 04:12

      Grade 8???? Don't flatter the bloody black bastard!!!

      Crabapple1 - 2011-04-29 04:18

      Grade 8??? Don't flatter the bloody bl&^%* BASTARD.

  • Barry - 2011-04-28 08:47

    These cops are bullieboys.

  • Doorboot - 2011-04-28 08:47

    Rubbish he mistook the crash for gun shots!!! WTF? This is insane. Now is the time for people to get together and do the protest thing outside the police station and eventualy the court. MR. Cele what the hell? I would love to hear from you.

  • DeonL - 2011-04-28 08:49

    This is a disgrace, another sensless police killing. Shoot first and ask questions later order is coming from the top, Cele should resign.

  • bokangk - 2011-04-28 08:49

    Please!!! How can a car crash sound like a gunshot, thats just bullßhit.

  • nyatiphotography - 2011-04-28 08:52

    This is absolutely disgusting - I would like to see the bastard shot in the same way, and whilst he is lying there dying, also pass the same flipping comment. This Cop is lower than Shark Shit Hang him !!

  • Kenneth - 2011-04-28 08:52

    Bring back the death penalty is all i can say. a car crash sounds nothing like a gunshot.

      Dylan Swanepoel - 2011-04-28 11:36

      And it was barely a car crash! She bumped the car whilst parking. This cop should never see the light of day again!!

  • Snafu - 2011-04-28 08:53

    Thank you, Julius...

  • chopie - 2011-04-28 08:55

    Well I wasn't shot but was abused by cops about a month ago ...was slapped around while handcuffed...was called a white racist and they are taking me to Hillbrow to get raped by Nigerians...then I was repeatedly punched in my stomach ...all because of a suspicion of DUI ...everytime I wanted to say something I got hammered ...the SAPS is useless and to shoot a 45 year old lady just like that ...these cops are glorified high school failures ..but check nothing will happen to them ...this is a sad.

      Kevin - 2011-04-28 15:48

      Now that's abuse and i bet you never reported it???

  • Kevin - 2011-04-28 08:57

    As she was sitting in her car unless she pointed a firearm at the policemen he is guity of murder as the laws governing firearms are quite clear. That he was so uncaring as to let her die without calling for assistence shows a total disregard for human life making him deserving of a life sentence.

      Kenneth - 2011-04-28 09:02

      deserving o the death sentence, he doesn't deserve to live

      chopie - 2011-04-28 09:03

      He didn't contact the medic's cause he knew so would have been the key witness in a manslaughter case ..but now a security guard has seen him ..he will also disappear or something ..

  • GeorgeSA - 2011-04-28 08:59

    It is a sad state of affairs when the citizens needs protection from the ploice!!!!!

  • patch - 2011-04-28 09:03

    This story made me think: what's the latest on the Bees Roux story? He probably had a good point there.

      Spyker May - 2011-04-28 23:24

      Patch.., You beat me to it – I was about to raise exactly the same point. The last I heard the case was postponed, he is out on bail and he firmly maintained it was self-defence. The Bulls also relinquished his services – probably the only positive out of the entire event... The substance for widespread (in relative terms) “criminal” police behaviour is certainly mounting. I am equally interested though re the ‘reports’ that suggested that Andries Tatane’s family considering a case against Bheki Cele. A group of advocates apparently offered to take such a case free of charge... Perhaps it is time for the victims of police murders (it is nothing else) to launch a (massive) class action against Bheki Cele and/or the government.

      patch - 2011-04-29 08:52

      Spyker, I reckon Cele's foolish utterances may just about be sufficient for a class action. Okay, I should clarify (he has made a few of them); His "shoot to kill" line... If Juju can be had up for inciting folks to dabula the boers through public announcements (indirect at that), surely Bheki should be cast in the same light...

  • Rammsteen - 2011-04-28 09:12

    Another day in Africa...

      Winston - 2011-04-28 13:56

      Looks like!

  • MrSpiderman - 2011-04-28 09:13

    Same police station where a woman was raped by a cop after being pulled off and her husband in the charge office?

  • kingswing69 - 2011-04-28 09:18

    half of the police have no training , now this idiot was given a gun ,now he thinks because he has a badge he can just shoot a civilian, i hope you rot in hell.

  • PieLemon - 2011-04-28 09:19

    "It was believed that he mistook the noise of the crash for gun shots." Wonderful, and this means he will be out on R10 bail soon and be given the all clear in the next two weeks and reinstated to full duty again.

  • Tc - 2011-04-28 09:19

    Ja-Ja.. "Shoot the Farmer, Shoot the Boer" "Trrr, Pa, Pa!" Another one bites the dust.

  • Delarey - 2011-04-28 09:20

    Another blatant murder by a bunch of useless fools led by a clown that thinks he is Al Capone! Our only hope is that the masses see the imbeciles in the ANC for what they are and replace them. Unfortunately they will not! "It was believed that he mistook the noise of the crash for gun shots". the next excuse will be that he was beaten as a kid and hates woman drivers(white) in addition to suffering from some trauma from his past! It's disgusting!

  • AJ - 2011-04-28 09:24

    WTF! WTF! WTF! WTF! WTF! WTF! WTF! WTF! WTF! WTF! WTF! WTF!

      djg - 2011-04-28 12:12

      wtf

  • simon - 2011-04-28 09:25

    This has got to be the ANC's "Hector Pieterson" time. This and the murder by the stste of Andries Tatane must be the turning point against the ANC. If the image of Hector Pietersen is again dragged out on June 16, it must be shown together with these pictures. What a disgraceful government !

  • Palian - 2011-04-28 09:28

    Our heartfelt condolences to Jeanette Odendaal's family and friends. And here is the CRYSTAL CLEAR message we get.... "Government" endorses songs/chants which refer to killing european descendents ie boers, afrikaaners, whites in general, despite "goverment" denial. They can only piss on your leg and tell you its raining for so long... Also, to murder any of their more 'indigenous' voters whom protest against them, Mr Tatane's case in point of fact. Their fascist pig-lice (police) are executing unarmed civilians as if it is their MAIN duty to do so. These arer only reported cases, people. The hard facts of other unreported instances are more shocking! One cannot expect to go to a pig-lice station anywhere for help or otherwise as it is clear that the pig-lice are public enemy No 1. These fascists must expect reprisals, which is cool, as it will become a resistance movements steady supply of weapons. It is a citizens duty to protect themselves if the so called 'government' has declared a murderous war on its own citizens (read white genocide). May G_D have mercy on us.