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Khoisan demand recognition, land

2012-02-21 15:48

Pretoria - The Khoisan demanded recognition and that their land claims be addressed in a protest outside the department of rural development and land reform in Pretoria on Tuesday.

The group of about 20 Khoisan was watched by Tshwane metro police as Stephen Katz, of the SA Progressive Civic Organisation, handed a memorandum to a senior department official.

In the memorandum, the group demanded that the Khoisan be recognised as the first indigenous nation in South Africa.

Katz said that according to the South African Constitution, the Khoisan did not exist and he demanded that their land claims be addressed.

"We wish to remind the state president of his statement made at our national consultative conference on 29 March 2001.

"He acknowledged us as the first indigenous nation of South Africa and that we will be granted recognition enabling us to have access to our dispossessed land," Katz said.

Civic organisation AfriForum Youth has issued a statement in support of the Khoisan "against the distortion and denial of the history of minorities".

Comments
  • Sinudeity - 2012-02-21 15:58

    Guess the Khoisan people owe pieter mulder a favour :P

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-21 16:05

      This should be fun! Let's see what bulldog says about this!

      Sean - 2012-02-21 16:08

      This is going to get messy. I am keen to see how the invader tribes, justify their land claims with the original people now also joining the party. After all, where do you draw the timeline as to whom is owed what? Apparently it only works as long as the anc benefits. Don't forget that some 200 million year ago, we were all one continent Gondwanaland, so I am sure that some south american indians also have ancestral land rights. Heres a copy and paste for the non believers: Gondwanaland [g?nd'w??n??lænd], Gondwana n (Earth Sciences / Geological Science) one of the two ancient supercontinents produced by the first split of the even larger supercontinent Pangaea about 200 million years ago, comprising chiefly what are now Africa, South America, Australia, Antarctica, and the Indian subcontinent

      John - 2012-02-21 16:09

      I bet the next born Khoisan will be named Pieter. ... First nation has spoken. Now who needs a history lesson?

      Sinudeity - 2012-02-21 16:13

      Sean - Wasnt Godwana etc all part of Pangea at first? You'd be surprised. American Indians used used to travel to Russia and back.

      Jason - 2012-02-21 16:18

      So Sean what you are saying is Gondwana land had the best cricket team?

      Sinudeity - 2012-02-21 16:21

      Jay - LOL And rugby :P

      Penny-wise - 2012-02-21 16:26

      They were here before any of the Bantu black tribes from central and north Africa. They have more claim to this land than any blacks.

      John - 2012-02-21 16:55

      @PointBlank Haven't you seen the new book of Gwede Mantashe "KhoiSan elephant The best friend of ANC elephant" ?

      Mark - 2012-02-21 18:34

      And, suddenly, the ANC-YL is very happy to follow the Botswanan government's model of how to 'deal with' the 'Bushmen'. Black solidarity is a lie, Shaka and co. pointed that out with an assagai whenever they met these peaceful hunter-gatherers. The enemy of your enemy is not your friend.

      Max - 2012-02-21 21:11

      I thought Africa and specifically South Africa is the CRADLE OF MANKIND and therefore all humans came from Africa. The mere fact that my forefathers had the ability to migrate from Africa to Europe and back to Africa while the Koi and other races didn't have that ability now give them the right to lay claim to South Africa, I think not. If the Cradle of Mankind history as told by Thabo Mbeki is correct then the Koi and other African races are the weakest branches of the human tree and can most certainly not lay claim to anything because Africa belongs to all humans.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-21 22:00

      Viva Pieter Mulder Viva!!!! Down Zuma down!!! Round number 3.

  • Marion - 2012-02-21 15:58

    Yes, give the Khoisan land. And how was the SA Constitution approved if it excludes the Khoisan?

      John - 2012-02-21 16:05

      Was voted by majority...are you suprised that we have BEE, not KEE ?

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-21 16:06

      Because the ANC want to rewrite history. They already have claimed the victory against apartheid as their own.

      clivecorbz - 2012-02-21 16:07

      The constitution doesn't specify any particular race, a major point of it is to end discrimination. The Khoisan are just protected by the constitution as any other race group. Whether such protection is carried out in reality is debatable.

      cosmos.ndebele - 2012-02-21 17:17

      Marion Afriform & other groups are trying to use the San people for their own ends. Those people who upon their arrival in South African r.@@@@@pd, uprooted & pillaged the Khoisan people should gve up the Land in Northern Cape & Western Cape & gve it back to this guys. Afriforum ar throwing stones when they live in glass house tragic!!!!

  • Ronald - 2012-02-21 15:59

    Looking at how wide spread the rock paintings of the Khoisan are and the dating thereof, we can expect one hell of a land claim! Julius and co, you have just moved back a few places in the row at the land claims court.

      PB - 2012-02-21 16:10

      TO ALL THOSE WHO ARE ALWAYS CRYING THAT 'WE' STOLE THE LAND FROM THEIR ANCESTORS = TAKE THAT!!!

  • Sizah - 2012-02-21 16:05

    Pieter Mulder what have u done, now see what u've started??? eish...

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-21 16:19

      Yeah baby!! Time for the history books to be dusted off and the truth opened up for all to see... I think some people and groups are in for a beeeeg surprise!!

      Mfudzi - 2012-02-22 17:15

      high time you chose an african to lead the freedom front plus

  • johncarlos.biza - 2012-02-21 16:11

    Since many citizens of different ethnicities have Khoi blood, isn't it silly to divide the Khoi from the rest?

      Sinudeity - 2012-02-21 16:15

      Including white people.

      elemental777 - 2012-02-21 16:23

      only if you would like to vote their proxy alongside yours when claiming land that was never owned and only used

      Mfudzi - 2012-02-22 17:20

      the khoi of it have an identity crisis, there's no existing khoi. they are either extinct or were swallowed up by rape perpertuated in the cape peninsula by these whites who want us to believe that there was no-one when their forebearers landed and looted.if anything, the khoi, if they still exist should claim their land from white settlers.

  • marita.pienaar - 2012-02-21 16:16

    As I understood most South Africans including whites in this country have Khoi blood in their veins! Does that mean we can all join the march :)

      Se-a Spencer Ikeremm - 2012-02-21 17:06

      Marita it's the exact thing I've been thinking all along. You typed the words right off of my fingertips.

  • Kai - 2012-02-21 16:21

    I know of a farm with about 20 head of cattle in Limpopo they can start with.

  • HiJack - 2012-02-21 16:25

    Mark my words. Every single black oke in SA will now claim some kind of link to the Khoisan. They are as Koi/San as I'm Eskimo.

      John - 2012-02-21 16:50

      Absolutely right HiJack I see upcoming unrests demanding "Koi-Farms to Khoi-San's" from ANC. We will witnes also the new book of Gwede Mantashe "Khoi-San elephant, the best friend of ANC elephant"

      Kai - 2012-02-21 17:01

      @John, then next thing will be a Khoi-Zulu-Natal

      Cracker - 2012-02-21 17:09

      As far as I know many whites and many blacks in this country can claim some ancestry of the other in their past. Happy with that. I am also probably linked to the Khoisan. If it turns out to be true I will demand the wine farm of my choice. It will be my sole right to choose the wine farm. Nobody else will tell me what I am entitled to. My demand is based on MY bloodline and nobody else has a say over what MY bloodline entitles me to. They never defeated or merchandised my bloodline away from me. It is MINE!

      John - 2012-02-21 17:18

      VoiceOfReason, Im currently driving my Khia towards Khoi Gate....;)

      Kai - 2012-02-21 17:30

      @John, will have to find out when their next protest is and we can join in their Khoi-Khoing

  • Mpho - 2012-02-21 16:26

    I am disappointed at the Khoisan for having been asleep for so long. Their numbers allows them to claim Western Cape outright through the ballot box. They have so far allowed whites who are a minority here to rule over them. I fully support the full restoration of their rights.

      HiJack - 2012-02-21 16:30

      Yeah, they have allowed whites to rule of them. Don't make it sound like they didn't have a choice. They chose that option, and with the white ruled Western Cape being the best ruled province in SA, they made the right choice. The higher up South Africa you go, the more you hear of corruption and backruptcy. Thanks ANC, thanks Julius.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-21 16:35

      @Mpho, sorry to tell you my friend, the land you accused us of stealing just got reclaimed by the khoisan... why? Because you stole it first. We keep telling you that you have no claim to land in SA, but nooooo you won't listen..

      Mpho - 2012-02-21 16:41

      So, they want to claim the other share to hand over to Europeans as they did Western Cape? Take over Western Cape first as this doesn't require any capital outlay (willing seller willing buyer). All it requires is victory at the ballot box, which is guaranteed.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-21 16:47

      Ah so you are scared. Why must they take over the WC first? They were in the other parts of SA first and were pushed into the WC by the rampaging Bantu tribes...

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-02-21 16:59

      My regional/ward member is brown and not painted yesterday. Since birth. We had a meeting regarding a dangerous crossing and when we both went to survey my claims he listen and promised to come back to me. I thought of giving him 3 weeks for a proper response, but he jump the gun and two weeks later the construction company started to offload equipment to build the circle. He than later told me he only had R 500 000 left for that term on road projects in his ward, but seeing the problem, he convince the powers to assist. The circle was in planning, but, not having money, they had to put it on hold. Surveying the problem himself he decide that the possible lost of more life(there were incidents) are a much higher priority than hiding behind the lack of funds. The circle is the one between Langebergridge RD and Brackenfell Blvd. According to me he is part of the people who rules this province more successful than others and as I said he is brown of color. Maybe we, in Western Cape, do not mind who the rulers are anymore, as long as they just do their work properly.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-02-21 17:14

      Sorry, The circle is the one where they cross. Pinehurst.

      TheJaydedKing - 2012-02-21 18:56

      Cosmos - I can assure you that whatever atrocity was committed by white European settlers was matched for millennia by incoming northern Bantu tribes and their xhosa and zulu ancestors. fact is that the khoi san are the true original tribe of southern africa and much of namibia.

      Kenny Grass - 2013-04-01 08:53

      Quite right they deserve land as they found it,a plot in the Karroo.

  • colin.dovey - 2012-02-21 16:27

    The Khoisan roots go even further north than many people realise: The History of Zimbabwe is intriguing even to this very day. Across Zimbabwe are rock paintings, that date back more than 5,000 years. Stone Age hunters, related to the Khoisan people, created the paintings. The Khoisan, or Khoe-San is the name for two major ethnic groups of Southern Africa. The Khoisan originally inhabited much of southern Africa and the Khoisan languages are noted for their click consonants. Over the centuries, the Khoisan peoples were displaced by the Xhosa and Zulu people, who have adopted some Khoisan clicks in their respective languages.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-02-21 17:07

      If we go on like this in history, I believe we going to end up at the Neanderthal man. If so I also have a land claim right. Ask my x wife. She can vouch for it.....or so she claimed :)

      TheJaydedKing - 2012-02-21 18:57

      Historically aren't we all derived from African decent?

      karen.glautier - 2012-02-21 21:01

      @DuToitCoetzee, all men are evolved from neanderthals, lololol

      pws69 - 2012-02-22 07:19

      @ Karen, Well, I'm not sure about the evolved part, or so my wife tells me ;-)

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-02-22 07:53

      @pws69. Cool! Now we need another 1 or 2 Neanderthals more and we can do a group claim :)

  • frans.grobler3 - 2012-02-21 16:29

    Go Khoisan you even have cave paintings to prove you's were the first to exist in Southern Africa GO man GO!

  • John - 2012-02-21 16:34

    Give the coloured folk their land think of all the land in the Cape......lol

      TheJaydedKing - 2012-02-21 18:58

      the cape, the eastern cape, kwa zulu natal, all the northern provinces, transkei and ciskei, namibia in fact most the southern continent.

  • Ben - 2012-02-21 16:38

    Farmers in Zimbabwe were driven off their land. Now it would seem that in any country peope need food. All this noise is unnecessary if one takes into consideration that people staying on the available farm land must be productive farmers. If not, we will have to import food. How many black people have an agricultural degree. Please stop this stupidity and start thinking what we will do without ou farmers. Other countries are giving land to white farmers for free. Why.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-21 16:41

      36000 White South African farmers are farming in Africa with land GIVEN to them by those countries in an attempt to secure food reserves. China, Brazil and European countries are snapping up HUGE amounts of land in Africa to secure THEIR food reserves... And we bitching about who owns semi-desert land in SA... sheesh..

      Anthony - 2012-02-21 16:54

      it,s a black thing

      John - 2012-02-21 17:33

      @PointBlank Central Africa is already Asian state Very soon Korean language will be official in Kenya... We bitching about who owns semi-desert land in SA like you wrote. sheesh...big time

  • Phumi - 2012-02-21 16:47

    These Khoisans are dillusional and are riding on the colonial lie that they were there first in South Africa. As far as we are conserned Khoisan do not exist and the first settlers drove them to extinction like the Dodo or the Quagga! Besides they were mere Nomads and can never claim any portion of land because they were all over the place! Africans and Bantu speaking people in particular are the only ones who have a historical right to claim anyland in South Africa!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-21 16:49

      HAHAHAHAHA!!! You funny... but don't give up your day job.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-21 16:51

      Gee 3 friends on Facebook.... How's life under the bridge?

      Kai - 2012-02-21 16:56

      Mere nomads? Could you be any more disrespectful if you tried.

      gordon.p.jacobs - 2012-02-21 17:03

      Be careful using the word 'Africans', especially when talking about the Oldest living group of people as determined by genetics. They therefore have first claim to that title, don't let their brown tone fool you. Rather say thank you to them for having taught you guys those clicks you so proud of, and know your place as 2nd in-line African...

      Cracker - 2012-02-21 17:16

      No Phumi. You can't have it all ways. Far too many respected historians through the years and out there right now. Archaeological evidence do not lie.

      elemental777 - 2012-02-21 17:16

      Who is we Phumi, other than being an obvious troll i mean

      Ben - 2012-02-21 17:27

      Phumi, we appreciate people who have studied history to comment on this site. Please dont show your ignorance.

      John - 2012-02-21 17:41

      A..aaa Phumi, what happened with today's history munna? You don't like it maybe? Dillusional is everyone that is not bantu? In particular you are moron and allegedly chop.

      Ad - 2012-02-21 17:47

      Phumi..."niks kwaad rakens nie!"..guess the zulus and xhosa's havent killed all the khoisan people yet .Xenophobia is not a new thing after all (old habits die hard)

      Mc - 2012-02-21 17:50

      Kalahari

      Eric - 2012-02-21 18:08

      @Phumi - have you ever considered visting planet Earth?

      Mc - 2012-02-21 18:47

      Hey Phumi Khoisan was a German anthropologists creation and there was never such a ‘nation’ KHOISAN. This is just another apperteit ideology

      Mc - 2012-02-21 18:58

      Moerlder was just refering to the ideology of his forefathers.

      Ben - 2012-02-21 18:59

      Mc apartheid is as dead as Phumi's dodo. Let's look ahead now and work out where our food will come from if white farmers also become extinct.

      TheJaydedKing - 2012-02-21 19:00

      Mc and Phumi should get married. Ultimately they own it all and only fools would think otherwise.

      Cameron - 2012-02-21 22:26

      Yo Phumi...I see some double standards here???? The Khoi San are the ONLY people who have the right to claim land in WC. The rest can F%#K right off!!!!

      Sasmart - 2012-02-21 22:36

      Phumi the San were fruit gatherers & hunters, the Khoi Khoi were pastural. There is no getting around it, the Khoi definitely have land claim rights. They are certainly not extinct and their paintings in the caves prove that it was the Nguni tribes that hunted them, not the first settlers.

      eric.vanvuuren - 2012-02-22 09:36

      He does not need respect, His a Phumi. Somewhere above this statement I just read something about white people not recognising the existence of the khoisan. Wow let’s look at all the facts. Not ANC factes, but facts. Life and land belongs to all of us not just the ANC. This race debate thing is tiresome, it’s like we are all part of this non ending struggle. I don’t want to struggle it makes no sense to struggle with this nonsense. It s all mine so get out!!!! We (black/white/san/etc.) are all led too easily by our noses. If the big baas ANC says something, we are all at each other’s throats. Like good little puppets. We are not better than that, I agree, but better than them, definitely.

      Valerie - 2012-02-23 00:36

      please read your history properly. after you have educated yourself then you can dedate on this matter. we were called coloured from the past for this same reason. the white man called us coloured just to get us away from our identity as the san people.

  • Tommy - 2012-02-21 16:50

    Ghmmmf, hmmmf, he...haha..bwahahahahahaha. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Love it.

  • Ad - 2012-02-21 17:25

    IT is about effing Time this silent Khoisan people take their rightfull place in this so called "ANC" country.Guess history books needs to be re-written after all? Hey Mr Zuma!..say that again ...who stole land from who again?..(niks kwaad rakens nie)..:)

      phathuchicos - 2012-02-21 17:57

      the land they are going to claim is under DA now...so I dont what you are talking about. And for votes DA will do as they say or its ANC takes on their newly found weakness.

      Eric - 2012-02-21 18:15

      @The-Azanian. Actually they could claim all of the southern sub-continent.

      phathuchicos - 2012-02-21 18:31

      @eric which means they could claim botswana and namibia since they were also living there? Don't be ridiculous. Your days of separating poor africans are over on earth. get that.

  • phathuchicos - 2012-02-21 17:36

    It's about time western cape get back to its real owners...Mulder you are the weakest link, good bye and your pathetic pale squad.

      phathuchicos - 2012-02-21 18:25

      I'm sorry to say this...white people sometimes don't look back at their bleached history when making comments about this country. They forgot the pain and humiliations they brought to bushmen tribes.

      TheJaydedKing - 2012-02-21 19:03

      You fool. Without question the white ppl committed atrocities to the khoi san but we did nothing any better or any worse than you guys did when you invaded the present south africa. take the log out of your eye before you remove the twig out of mine.

      Mano-Lee - 2012-02-21 20:41

      @azanian - you certainly have a chip on your shoulder. I cant figure out whether you're just a racist or whether you you have some inferiority complex. After all a greater civilisation came and conquered the weaker. get over yourself.

      Mano-Lee - 2012-02-21 20:47

      Boet - sarah was not paraded in any form of sexuality. You're sick man. Have you seen her?? UGLY!!!

      Mc - 2012-02-21 21:38

      @brabus Paraded naked = displayed naked in the streets and circuses like an animal. Sicko

      Mano-Lee - 2012-02-21 23:59

      Sarah Baartman to be exhibited as a 'sexual' curiosity freak... ...looking for ideas about a black female sexuality... Sound familiar? she was still uuuuuugly pretty boy

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-02-22 00:11

      Jo, you guys can get worked up. No, the Mulders of history were not part of the Sarah Baartman exhibition. If I recall correctly it was the French.(Or was it the British. Sjoe, I should go to bed.lol) I can be wrong and quickly look it up, but the fact remain that it was the same aristocrats that the common Afrikaner/Boers/Settlers/slaves/free-blacks etc, were rebellion against. She "apparently" had enormous genitals and that was the main reason for display and sexual misuse. Still disgusting. Yes, the whites killed a lot of Bushman. It is also a know fact that the Bushmen operated in group/gangs by luring the man away and killed the women and children on barbaric ways. They have done that to the black tribes as well. There were even a well known leader, but once again it skipped my mind.(to sleepy) I will not comment on any of those saying they were good or bad(not talking of Sarah B. issue) because I was not in those situations and in their shoes, but what I would like to say is that there are skeletons everywhere and one should start concentrating on the future, This history fight is still going to swallow us all while the West and the East are reaping our country's benefits.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-02-22 13:00

      No, William. Bushmen as well. Stop only relying on Wikipedia and study more old authentic scrips. Also do the effort to find out the difference between the Bushmen today and those of the past. When done, also following their epic treks through Namaqwaland and other areas. You will also find some reference, of there actions, when you study the Namas's history as well. Good luck.

  • Nick - 2012-02-21 17:44

    I love this, the Koisan are great and making the ANC think about our history and who actually has the rights to what. GO BOYS.

  • phathuchicos - 2012-02-21 17:54

    Its amazing that white people in this country will use any group that shows signs of being left-out to carry out their next tactics to take-over South Africa. South Africa belongs to anyone living in it...and the past unjustices shall be corrected. They did that in Limpopo when they separated Basotho, Vhavenda and Vatsonga by telling that Bavenda owns the top part of Limpopo, Vatsonga owns the Kruger side and Basotho owns the remaining. This catastrophe that we are allowing to happen again creates weakness among natives of Africa when against other races. Guess who benefitted the most in the limpopo separation...the Great whites of South Africa took almost every part of my home town which was fertile, then they made our parents slaves. What amazes me the most is that most of them hates the Nguni tribes due to the fact that they can't be separated easily.

      Eric - 2012-02-21 18:10

      "past injustices shall be corrected' - ok, you can start with the Khoisan.

      SJ Kleynhans - 2012-02-21 18:50

      Another malema brother! Its blacks like you who makes whites like me a racist! I guess a f@#*k you is in order

      phathuchicos - 2012-02-21 18:59

      the only thing that comes to fools' minds when facing the truth is..."you are a racist"

      Mc - 2012-02-21 19:00

      @klynpietie You were born that way

      TheJaydedKing - 2012-02-21 19:04

      You should learn your history. in most cases the white man was invited to stay on the land to assist the black man with defending himself from his own brothers.

  • phathuchicos - 2012-02-21 18:06

    Anything to make Africans feel foreign in their birth right would be okay for now I guess...

      Eric - 2012-02-21 18:12

      Just imagine how the Khoisan feel! Is denying them their 'birth right' okay for now? Maybe you don't consider them African?

      phathuchicos - 2012-02-21 18:19

      Ofcourse Khois are true native africans since they are part of bushmen family just like nigercongos, masais, melanocrois and negroes. Its you who I don't know anything that compares you with africa.

      Mano-Lee - 2012-02-21 20:49

      You can associate us whites as the greater civilisation that came and conquered a weak inferior one. Remember that boy. And dont be late to wash my car this weekend

  • Eric - 2012-02-21 18:07

    At last, some sense in the 'who-owns-the-land' squabble. Few peoples on this planet have as good an argument as the Khoisan - done over twice, once by settlers who arrived on foot and once by settlers who arrived by boat.

      phathuchicos - 2012-02-21 18:21

      by boat...lmao. from where by boat? atleast indians and chinese accepted who they are and came to live peacefully with africans unlike you claiming everything and changing your identity.

      Mano-Lee - 2012-02-21 20:54

      We came by boat idiot. You settlers came by land. You had no choice becuase back then you guys had little reed floats. You couldnt even sail across to Robin Island with your inferior technology without sinking. TSK TSK... chip on the shoulder hey

      eric.vanvuuren - 2012-02-22 14:09

      @The-Azanian - you Black Africans will still learn the tragic lesson about being too friendly with the Indians and the Chinese. No one in history has and will ever drained Africa as quickly and as badly as those two countries. But as you know, us White African are just biding time so we could have another turn to laugh at your short comings, or self inflicted harm through being spiteful. You know like the other day when that mongrel malema made his exit. Cuss I told you so. Normally people would avoid making the same mistake over and over. But it’s proving itself over and over again. The ANC is run through insanity, which goes to say everything about it is insane and the people voting for it are insane to expect that they would ever benefit from them.

  • Leroy - 2012-02-21 18:17

    Ah...this should get a few ostrich necks raised out of the ancient sands...

  • Sika - 2012-02-21 18:18

    what is a group of 20 going to do againt 40Mil?

      eric.vanvuuren - 2012-02-22 08:37

      There the first truth if seen so far. So stop trying to warp history and speak the truth. It's bullying on a massive scale.

      eric.vanvuuren - 2012-02-22 08:43

      It’s right or wrong that is only lies. It’s about the 40Mil, although it’s mostly an aids invested illiterate rabble. There is no racism in the above statement I ANC-promise you.

  • Francois - 2012-02-21 18:28

    sodat hulle wyn kan koop en dagga kan kweek

  • Mc - 2012-02-21 18:32

    apartheid ideology would have you believe that when the first European settlers arrived, the Cape was a largely uninhabited land according to MOERLDER, except for relatively small numbers of San people. These people according to the Apartheid MOERLDER story they were just mere primitive hunters gatherers. According to MOERLDER there was then in the east, abruptly halted at a demarcated point, a wholly separate Nguni people of pure Bantu origin who were settlers just like the DEIC. These Nguni were said to have simply been invading East Africans who arrived 1500 years prior to the Europeans.appartheid Ideology masters of deception. Lies Lies Lies mOERLDER

      TheJaydedKing - 2012-02-21 19:06

      MC your past is as chequered as every white mans. Do you honestly think you came here peacefully?

      Mano-Lee - 2012-02-21 20:56

      no jay... they butchered the khoi in the north ... slaughtered whole vilages. Me thinks he has a case of "TREE IN HIS EYE' syndrome.

  • Sika - 2012-02-21 18:36

    if it was not because of apartheid, we would not have all these problems...nxa

      elemental777 - 2012-02-21 19:24

      If the sole reason for our current racial problem in this country is Apartheid then why do we see the same issues around land rights being discussed all over the world including Algeria, Libya, Chile, Sri Lanka, and most of the Balkans. Granted it did not work as i think it was intended by its founders but the desire of peoples to live and work among their own is for sure not a white south african desire alone. The funny thing is that we will probably endup going back to a similiar dispensation in the end.

  • phathuchicos - 2012-02-21 18:42

    Atleast ANC is willing to do something unlike your past apartheid government that only recognised Whites as human beings in this country.

      Cracker - 2012-02-21 19:06

      Rubbish. Watch the news on SABC2 right now. The whole land reform process was a mess. That's more reason why we need a proper land audit that will also include the current commercial/agricultural activities on that land and the identities of the current owners/occupiers/users of the land.

      TheJaydedKing - 2012-02-21 19:07

      Agreed. Now something has been done. can we get some good governance.

  • Hector - 2012-02-21 19:28

    How long before EVERYONE will claim Khoi blood .... ManZuma!xiX! our new PC leader ??

  • Vegi - 2012-02-21 19:44

    The Khoi must not allow their cause to be soiled by support from the Afriforum.

      Cracker - 2012-02-21 20:05

      I have Khoi blood in my veins. I know it. I feel it. The rush of history and the universal practice of procreation that can be traced back to the same common ancestor through every tiny blood vessel in my body at every heart beat. Oh why did our ancestors decide that some would travel out of Africa, thereby taking a circuitous route by boat nogal) to Southern Africa while others stayed a bit longer and then took the pedestrian method to arrive in Southern Africa. How cruel of history, and now some try to reverse what cannot be reversed and which attempts at turning back the historical clock are not recognized in our local or international law.

  • Mc - 2012-02-21 19:48

    kleinpietei Moerlder is not fit for office, the African Farmers’ Association of SA (Afasa) said ...

      Cracker - 2012-02-21 20:37

      Perhaps Afasa is also not fit.

      Mano-Lee - 2012-02-21 22:01

      well the friggin anc are definately not fit!!!

  • Vegi - 2012-02-21 19:57

    Also these people who claim to represent the Khoisan have been appointed or voted by who. My information is that we are the descendants of the Khoisan and we are therefore the Khoisan ourselves. This nonsense that there Khoisan are separate from us is a non starter. We inter-married and inter-bred hence I say the Khoisan is the Xhosa and the Xhosa is the Khoisan and Khoisan is the Sotho and the Sotho is the Khoisan and so forth. Those who claim pure Khoisan heritage separate from the other tribes are being imaginative. They must prove their genetic purity. My ancestors never originated anywhere else other than from the caves of Northern Transvaal. It is white people whose ancestors originated from the caves of East Africa in the Great Lakes region and promptly departed for Asia and Europe.

      Cracker - 2012-02-21 20:55

      Somewhere we all had a common forefather, no matter what we may call ourselves today. Khoisan or whatever else. Nothing unusual about it. Why should it be different where it comes to claims to certain parts of this planet for ourselves? OK. Some us are perhaps lucky in all this. Those of us who still feel the rush of Khoi blood in our veins. Interesting observation though that you make. The ancestors promptly departed for Asia and Europe. All of them? Africa is land-connected with Asia and Europe. Same land mass. Same earth. Same planet. Even Australasia is connected with us. By sea floor, in other words, by land covered by ocean but nevertheless, land. Genetic purity must be proven? How's the moustache getting along? Hitler seemed to have spent quite some time trimming his to perfection.

      Mano-Lee - 2012-02-21 21:00

      ha ha haaa haaaa... bantu's... khoisan... ha ha haaaaaa

      Ad - 2012-02-21 22:17

      Eish!...This is what happen when someone dont read their own comment before posting it...(Khoisan is Xhosa and Xhosa is Khoisan?)..Vegi you need a high five.........with a chair.........in the face!

  • Sisa - 2012-02-22 00:50

    The Struggle for freedom was for all black South Africans from Western colonialist .Genocide and mass Ripe of the Khoi and Sun people in the Cape Colony was caused by the Dutch and English people .The people who live in the best off this Land are still today the Dutch and English .

  • HakeemLibala - 2012-02-22 01:52

    give them Orania

  • SARealist - 2012-02-22 08:05

    Khoisan raising the issue just proves how right the P Mulder was and how wrong the ANC is. IS THE ANC TRYING TO RE-WRITE HISTORY TO SUITE THE ANC AGENDA? P. Mulder just pointed out the real fact of the matter. Now that takes BALLS.

  • Mfudzi - 2012-02-22 17:13

    where were they when we fought european occopation?

  • Valerie - 2012-02-22 23:01

    first of all, whoever you are that is so inhumane to talk of gods creatures the way you are. you need much to be prayed for. you sound so bitter that the other nations are getting what was rightfully theirs. i have so much proof of how the white man robbed us of our land. i try not to hate. by the way, i am a proud to be called a khoisan. government has no choice but to give our land back which was rightfully ours.

  • Janette - 2012-03-08 10:04

    Support the Khoisan they have always been ignored.

  • mark.bekker - 2012-06-26 09:33

    OK, so according to these peoples logic if your dead ancestors owned some land you are still entitled to it forever. Well if I had to go back in my family tree and claim every piece of land that my great, great, great grand parents owned then people would laugh at me. Land is a very touchy subject, but much easier to sort out than everyone thinks. Everyone should be born with the right to land, in there country of origin. The government should issue each child that is born with a plot of land (this land can get used or sold by the owner). there would however have to be a limitation for Large families, we can't have people fornicating just to get some land now can we? But the general idea is a good one I think.

  • desmond.s.leaner - 2013-03-31 15:24

    AfriForum stay away! The Khoisan is not doing this because they are a minority, nor do they support your organization, or Afriforum in the least. This is about your ancestors taking land, and imposing laws on a people who had no grasp of it, while deceiving them. It's the same deceptive "we are on your side" pseudo support that you display now which is the exact selfish tactic used centuries ago.. You're two-faced support is recognised, but unfortunately for you, rejected.

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