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Kruger soldiers hold visitors at gunpoint

2012-04-05 10:02

Mbombela - Two Kruger National Park visitors were apprehended and held at gunpoint for hours after they lost their way and drove into a temporary camp made by soldiers of 1 SA Infantry Battalion from Bloemfontein.

Witbank couple Lampies and Jacolien Lamprecht left Satara camp in the park early on Saturday.

They turned onto a track which had no signs or obstructions to block it.

When Lamprecht saw the camp, he stopped to turn around.

He showed his ID book and permit to drive in the park and answered questions before driving off, only to be forced off the road by a military vehicle.

'The law'

Soldiers told them they were being held until their commander could speak to them.

“He [the officer] said we are under arrest and that we had to obey him as he was the ‘law’ in the game reserve.”

Lamprecht said he heard over the radio how the officer said in Tswana that he had taken a wrong turn and was some 20km away.

The unit commander wanted to confiscate his ID book, but Lamprecht refused.

“I allowed them to copy my details and search my car,” said an angry Lamprecht.

Soldiers are posted in the Kruger National Park to assist park authorities in the fight against rhino poaching.

Defence force spokesperson Brigadier General Xolani Mabanga said the incident was being taken seriously and is being investigated.

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Comments
  • Tony Lapson - 2012-04-05 10:07

    An inconvenience, but at least there is something being done against rhino poaching.

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-04-05 10:16

      Yep, sad but this is what's its come to. At least we know that something is happening on the ground and that we're taking this seriously.

      Nosiphom - 2012-04-05 10:37

      Yes Tony. It is their fault they went into an unmarked trail. They were "only" detained not shot at. Let's not condemn the guys doing their job. Keep to legal routes! In all parks I have been there are many unmarked tracks, which are not on the official map and I keep away from them.

      Erich - 2012-04-05 19:50

      @Jacqui - There is nothing in the report to suggest that the ids were faked. People can't be held at gunpoint merely on suspicion. I wonder what would be your reaction if you were in their shoes. This country is falling apart because certain people with powers are misusing the powers which they should exercise wisely and with due regard to the Constitution.

      Arie - 2012-04-06 08:46

      These soldiers get shot at on regular basis and have to endure the wild as well. Many rhino's were killed near the road, this indicates that no one should be taken lightly as they made be killed. You can' t have your bread butter on both ways. The soldiers are deployed far from the civillians, this only indicates that these folks were far from just missing a turn off. Admit you made a mistake and move on.

      Pierre - 2012-04-06 13:32

      What is up with SA's security forces? You put somebody in uniform with a gun and suddenly they become God. Is it really too much to ask to have soldiers protecting the rhino's while also be able to act sensible to the tourists. Why only the one or the other?

  • Toofaan - 2012-04-05 10:11

    If we are going to be serious about Rhino poaching, we have to accept that there will be some inconvenience. And ppl should learn how to read a map. Sorry for your bad experience, but I think you should be happpy that these soldiers are there.

      Smoke.ZN - 2012-04-05 14:10

      @Dawood, im gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and not call u stupid, just misinformed. Black, White, Indian, Asian, Purple, whatever, a poacher is a poacher. And just for the record, the biggest names to be identified to be the center of the poaching ring have been asians.

      Glyn - 2012-04-05 20:30

      Inconvenience yes, arrogant terrorism, NO!

      Glyn - 2012-04-05 20:31

      @Dawood -- Racist trash!

      Clive - 2012-04-05 23:04

      @Dawood: actually, it seems that most of the final beneficiaries of rhino poaching are Asians! But, yes, they get South Africans of all races to do their dirty work for them.

      Ape - 2012-04-06 12:06

      You have as much senses as these soldiers!... There is no need to arrest them. How many poachers have these same soldiers arrested? Can they please provide us with numbers?!...Do you notice the tourists surnames??!!!

      Brenda - 2012-04-06 19:20

      You have said all- - excuses come by the dozen -

  • Peter - 2012-04-05 10:14

    Bravo to the soldiers and sorry to you, atleast we know we have dedicated soldiers out there who takes no bribe or zilch...

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-04-05 10:17

      YES!

      Koos - 2012-04-05 10:21

      Now if only the poachers will drive into their camp! I can’t break the law... I AM THE LAW.... mmm where have I heard that before.

      JohhnyBGood - 2012-04-05 10:29

      @Koos, hahahahaha. I know. I have that pic in mind and I nearly burst out laughing...

      cosmos.ndebele - 2012-04-05 11:03

      @Beyersbergen u ar completely sicko, Rhino poaching is a tragic situation affecting this country. Dont come up with yr 100 % racist bul--sht here. This rhino issue transcends the colour bar, u bloody muppet. Go play with yr toys

      Christo - 2012-04-05 11:16

      @Beyersbergen you clown

      Marion - 2012-04-05 11:17

      @loueldon.beyersbergen - and I don't think you heard of all the white vets (one of whom worked in the Kruger Park)and farmers who have been caught for poaching either. These people were where they shouldn't have been and the defence force were only doing their job. Do you seriously believe the defence force wants anyone knowing where their camp is?

      paulmandlankosi - 2012-04-05 11:18

      But recently there has been more white poachers caught in Limpopo and KZN so your statement is just racist and attention seeking.

      Koos - 2012-04-05 11:58

      Gee, why so hard on loueldon.beyersbergen? So how many of the actually poachers where white? “Poachers” as in people with smoking guns and saws in their hands? Sure there are “masterminds” that includes white farmers and vets and Chinese (Not sure if they are actually black of white nowadays) but please show me a poacher where the horn is being removed and the bloke is white with his family sedan in the background while his wife holds his saw. How many of these poachers drives family sedans and takes their wives with for “a poach”? I can see what he means. Might not be politically correct but he has a point.

      Koos - 2012-04-05 12:05

      P.S. This all in the middle of the day? Who poaches in the middle of the day?

      Jacqui - 2012-04-05 12:38

      Koos, what does a poacher with his horn removed look like?.

      cosmos.ndebele - 2012-04-05 13:09

      @Koos u hve just sunk low to the deepest depth of stupidity!!! Do u really follow RHINO poaching crisis in South Africa?. I fear for your mental state man.

      seanpresherhughes_1 - 2012-04-07 00:19

      @Marion - Once again, well said! I support that statement all the way!!! 20 km's off the beaten track - come on people - GPS does actually have the routes by the way - next time, if they will be allowed back, this couple can obtain one before hand if they did not possess one at the time! If you are not sure - common sense - don't go there! Google earth and laptop next time...........?

  • tom.vorster - 2012-04-05 10:17

    Stick to the designated roads and nothing happens to you. Another bunch who are convinced the KNP hides the Big 5 down the no entry roads.

      Paulus - 2012-04-05 11:55

      "They turned onto a track which had no signs or obstructions to block it."

  • Piet - 2012-04-05 10:20

    Had the soldiers maybe something to hide...

      Phillip - 2012-04-05 11:32

      yes pieter... they actually post the positions of all their base camps and temporary camps on the notice board outside the camps in the KNP, so that the poachers knows exactly where the "LAW" is, so that the poachers can go look for Rhino in other places. (Please note...this is sarcasm towards Pieter).

  • lytteot7 - 2012-04-05 10:23

    Good job by the soldiers, as for the couple hard luck but if u get lost for 20km and end up where they are patrols then u will be treated as an intruder until there is sufficient proof of innocence. Is just the way it is, at least the soldiers are serious about their job and that's what we need. There will always be casualties in a war and no one is written rhino poacher on their forehead. I apologize on behalf of the soldiers but if you are an animal lover u will let it go.

      Sandile.E.Mchunu - 2012-04-05 11:17

      Thanx ths is a gud comment u a gvg us moral u knw government decided to put us on bordes coz police thy were nt dng there job since we took over thy is improvement.

      betsy.compaan - 2012-04-05 12:07

      maybe a good indication of innocence would have been...no big guns...don't give your own freedom away so easily. You have rights and they are NOT the law but enforcers of it.

      Jacqui - 2012-04-05 12:42

      Sandile, I won't mind being kept 'prisoner' for a few hours if I had taken the wrong turn. Keep doing the good work.

      lytteot7 - 2012-04-05 12:44

      This couple were not held by police for heaven sake, they were held by soldiers and soldiers carry big guns, I don't understand why guns are put in this. Did u expect the soldiers to put their guns in a camping tent?\r\nBy the way did the soldiers point guns at the couple even after seeing they are not armed? Did they get handcuffed?

      Glyn - 2012-04-05 20:35

      Why can'ot you peepl rite english like it shud be?

      seanpresherhughes_1 - 2012-04-07 00:23

      Well said Lytteeot ! :-)

      seanpresherhughes_1 - 2012-04-07 00:27

      @Sandile - I think I support you if I understood you correctly.............???? ;(

  • Ariado - 2012-04-05 10:26

    Use Garmin, then you don't get lost.

      Dale - 2012-04-05 12:06

      Last time I was in KNP my Garmin tried to send me into the bsh with no road and no 4 x 4 :P

      Ariado - 2012-04-05 14:06

      Garmin is for 4x4.

      seanpresherhughes_1 - 2012-04-07 00:41

      Next time try laptop and Google Earth...........? I think everyone is starting to get too personal here with each other - please remember that this is currently a very sensitive issue world-wide and these people found themselves at the wrong place at the wring time - if unsure then follow the other visitors if there are any otherwise this couple should have used common sense - did this " track" look like it was driven on alot, or was it a scraped road? More facts on this issue would perhaps assist in their defence or not! Remember criminals nowadays come in all shapes and sizes - all visitors could possibly be scouting for what you know - noone will know for sure - Our precious rhinos are being slaughtered right from under our noses - two a day! I would like to visit the park again soon and would love to see some rhinos if tgere are any left and so would our tourists who boost our economy! Good job to the soldiers - we wanted you there to assist us and you are doing just that! Congratulations!

  • Wayne - 2012-04-05 10:30

    SA Army WIN!

  • Bloodstone - 2012-04-05 10:33

    1 SAI will never be the same...that aside, it seems like a case of severe lack of common sense by the "law in this park"

      Bloodstone - 2012-04-05 10:41

      Just to clarify my comment above: Let's look at the typical profile of a rhino poacher: 1. Middle class family man 2. Driving his family sedan motor vehicle 3. Accompanied by his spouse 4. Poach rhino without a firearm 5. Be in possession of all personal ID 6. Have all necessary Park permits 7. Do not get lost

      Phillip - 2012-04-05 11:04

      Bloodstone... if i were in the situation of the soldiers, i would also detain the tourists, probably not at gunpoint... reason. There is so much money involved in poaching it could have been a recon job (a) to see where rhino is (b) to see where the SADF is. The fact that they are white, middle class and with the necessary permits, do not make them inocent, nor guilty... but i do think, and all of us that are worried about the state of rhino poaching, would rather err on the side of caution, than let a potential situation get out of hand. I say, well done to the SADF....

      Phillip - 2012-04-05 11:07

      Common sence tells us that Vets are there to help and protect the animals, not supply the serum to help in the hunt and poaching of Rhino...

      Stanley - 2012-04-05 12:02

      ai...ANOTHER STUPIDIOT!!!...there is no profile for a rhino poacher. These people don't wear marks on them, stating ''I'm a rhino poacher and I'm scouting the area so that my men can come at a later stage to do the job! And why did he lie in the first place about being an Officer in the army before he was asked to produce his ID????...mmmmmmmm!...a family man u say STUPIDIOT??..U R SUCH A F@cking @ss for making a statement like tha!!

      Dawood - 2012-04-05 12:06

      yes..correct about the middle class family man(you should have added "white" in your profile...thats the proven keyword.

      Glyn - 2012-04-05 20:37

      Vets = ex-army personnel. Vets = rhino poaching serum suppliers!

  • Jaco - 2012-04-05 10:39

    @Fanie, it is only people who do not know the full extent of civil war who talks about it. It is not something to take up lightly, it must be avoided at ALL costs if possible.

      lytteot7 - 2012-04-05 10:43

      @Jaco that guy is just a low life idiot who doesn't belong with civilized people.

  • Zing - 2012-04-05 10:43

    ha ha Mr Lampies. I guess you'll be sticking to the road from now on. I think you're just another peanut who thinks you're better than others, and that you should be allowed to drive off-road where others can't. The Park is there for all to enjoy. Stick to the rules and you won't end up in trouble like this.

  • Barefoot - 2012-04-05 10:43

    If you use soldiers to do the police' job you expect such, those people are trained for combat hence they treated them as threats, i don't think an investigation is needed, just because you have an id and driving around with your girl doesn't mean you can't be a poacher

      MSGRule - 2012-04-05 11:06

      @Barefoot - serious yes the girls is goign to hold the head and the guy goign to cut. it takes many to handle that animal. Could they take down a Rhino with their bare hands....

      Marion - 2012-04-05 11:23

      @Johannes - Have you never heard that criminals check out their target before they actually do something about it? Well, much as I feel sorry for these people, them being white does not mean that they could not be part of a poaching circle doing a reconnaissance of the park and where the defence force has bases.

      Barefoot - 2012-04-05 11:51

      @Johannes i agree with Marion's comment too bad he had to bring race into it, rhinos move around and poachers need to know their location, I'm not saying the two were scouts looking for rhinos, but what if they were?

      Irene - 2012-04-05 23:01

      THEY COULD HAVE BEEN INFORMANTS ,THAT GET PAID A LOT OF MONEY FOR LOCATIONOF OUR RHINOS . .DUH..THEY DONT DO THE KILLING THEMSELVES..DUH...

  • Koos - 2012-04-05 10:50

    Right or wrong. Just imagine the impact if this was an overseas tourist. Training, training, training!!!!

      Zing - 2012-04-05 11:17

      Tourists don't bend the rules like that, and when they do, they take the consequences. Tourists come from law-abiding countries, not because it's policed so much, but because all the citizens are law-abiding, unlike here.

      Dawood - 2012-04-05 12:11

      @ Koos so what...go to America and Europe and see how they treat foreigners at their airports and tourist sites..blow them

      Irene - 2012-04-05 22:58

      THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN INFORMANTS,,THEY GET PAID DIRTY MONEY...DUH...TRUST NO ONE ..THIS IS RHINO WAR .....

  • Andrew - 2012-04-05 11:01

    Typical from an ill trained AA defence force. Bunch of gangho guys. I fully support their use in tracking Rhino poachers but this is really going above board. Imagine the damage if they were foreign tourists???

      Thepudi - 2012-04-05 11:07

      its not about ill discipline, Lapies claimed to be a military ops medic on rounds hence the id was required and he could not produce anything. If foreign tourist will claim same as Lapies, same treatment will be metted out

      cosmos.ndebele - 2012-04-05 11:16

      Foreign tourist understand the war on poaching raging in S.A, they ar not oversensitive

      Bloodstone - 2012-04-05 11:18

      Thepudi. What are you talking about? Who is Lapies? Ops medic on duty? Could not produce ID? Are we commenting on the same article?

      Marion - 2012-04-05 11:28

      If foreign tourists are where they should not be then they must be treated in the same way as anyone else. All the SADF did was hold them until their story could be verified. Criminals come in all shapes and sizes and I have no doubt that rhino poachers do too. Sorry that Mr and Mrs Lamprecht had to go through this, but they too should be grateful that the army isn't taking any chances when it comes to rhino poaching.

      Stanley - 2012-04-05 11:50

      ai...ANOTHER STUPIDIOT WHO THINKS HE KNOWS WHAT'S SUPPOSE TO HAPPEN IN THE ARMY!!...

      betsy.compaan - 2012-04-05 12:17

      So no one is bothered that these guys assume that they are the "LAW"? If they were ACTIVELY pursuing rhino poachers don't you think they could catch more poachers in the bush than safely tucked away in their secret camp waiting for random people to come down the road? How long have they been in the area, how much have the accomplished and why don't they have standard procedures in place in these cases? Did they not expect anyone to use the road?

      Irene - 2012-04-05 22:56

      IDIOT THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN INFORMANTS ..DUH..LOOKING FOR OUR RHINOS ..DUH..THEY GET PAID DIRTY MONEY FOR INFORMATION...DUH..MOTTO...TRUST NO ONE ...

  • wendy.warwick3 - 2012-04-05 11:16

    I fully support the SANDF on this one. We lost another rhino yesterday 160 todate. These guys are doing their job. If a rhino had died we would have been quick to condem. Simple stick to the designated roads

      Sandile.E.Mchunu - 2012-04-05 11:22

      thanx for ur support we wll continue doing our job deligently nd profesional.

      Marion - 2012-04-05 12:03

      Wendy, sorry to hear that. They're going to be hitting an average of two a day very soon. I give a thumbs up to anyone trying to stop the poaching in whatever way they can.

      Keith - 2012-04-06 17:45

      Marion, so do I. Close the park and shoot anyone found inside. On a different note, I, too, have missed my way, but that was quite a few years ago, the signposting may be better now. But wouldn't it have been simple to put up a sign saying "no entry"?

      seanpresherhughes_1 - 2012-04-07 00:54

      You do have a point Keith - the rasngers also place logs Acacia thorn branches etc at no-entrance roads - were there any of these placed here - it would be nice to get some more facts on this here.

  • Gideon - 2012-04-05 11:17

    BEGIN TO FIGHT BACK http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMRTiSE81yI&feature=plcp&context=C4255d9cVDvjVQa1PpcFPQ80WWdRFbHCpDttTs_W2KvV4FOOoOlP8%3D

  • Sean - 2012-04-05 11:19

    They caught a white ou nothing to do with a rhino.|Freakin retards

      Stanley - 2012-04-05 11:32

      @Sean..u must be the most useless user on News24. Where the hell does race enter now? By the way..a few weeks ago about five WHITE people were caught with rhino horns and they were also arrested for being involved in the poaching itself. STUPIDIOT!!!!!

  • Sandile.E.Mchunu - 2012-04-05 11:20

    Since we took over frm police to look our borders they is improvement bcoz we a dng our job deligently and profesional.thanx to my comrades 1Sai for good job..

      Bloodstone - 2012-04-05 11:27

      Hmmm...yes, you sound extremely professional!

      Keith - 2012-04-06 17:47

      Say that again in English, please.

      seanpresherhughes_1 - 2012-04-06 23:44

      Can anyone please relate to this new language............. I can't find it anywhere on Google......!?

  • paulmandlankosi - 2012-04-05 11:21

    @Fanie, what do we expect from a grain infested brainless man from Bothaville

      betsy.compaan - 2012-04-05 12:20

      Sorry never saw Fanie's statement, which ends up making your statement just look really racist all on its own with no references.

  • Napolita - 2012-04-05 11:22

    Sorry to Lampies and Jacolien Lamprecht. At the same time the 'real" poachers have no signs on them saying they actually are the poachers. I can imagine someone (or journalist) going into the park to test the "claim" by the park authorities that they are doing something about poaching; whence upon being stopped and let go without serious searches then later writing an article about how "useless" the guards/soldiers are for not doing enough to stop poaching.

      seanpresherhughes_1 - 2012-04-06 23:46

      Well said Napolita

  • Andre - 2012-04-05 11:24

    What were they doing on a dirt road? The road from Satara to Lower Sabie camp is tarred!

      mthuthani - 2012-04-05 12:16

      Good question Andre.

  • eddiebant - 2012-04-05 11:26

    Good,showing the soldiers are doing their job.The visitors weren't looking for trouble but also weren't wide awake and alert.Thanks to the army for standing in as guards.Lambrechts rather stay at home and watch it on tv.

  • Shirley - 2012-04-05 11:33

    Well done!!!! Its an unfortunate reality of South Africa and I dont think they should be angry-rather happy that someone is actually doing something to save these precipus beasts!

  • Andre - 2012-04-05 11:35

    Normal RSA logic, catch the guy who has a legal ID, Registered Vehicle, Legal Permit to go of Road, paid accommodation. Wonder why they could not get the guys without passports, with guns, not close to roads, that sleeps in the bush. Wonder what stand the gun was in that was pointed, because last time I heard you have to get a legal command to point a loaded weapon. That is if you have first world soldier, in Africa you just keep guns loaded and ready to fire all the time.

      Mark - 2012-04-05 12:19

      @ Stanley - caps off you retard and btw you are the idiot

      betsy.compaan - 2012-04-05 12:28

      wow stanley I am sorry but I can't see why Andre's comment has created so much anger within you...a very personal and public attack from an adult like yourself..."clut of common clay" wow if this is what we think of our fellow human beings why even bother to pretend to care about each other at all? It disgusts me to see humans talk to each other like this, it saddens me that we are wasting so much of life in order to make ourselves feel better by verbally abusing each other.

      Jacqui - 2012-04-05 12:49

      Andre, so in other words first world soldiers would have shot straight away.?. Man how many Rambo movies have you watched?.

      seanpresherhughes_1 - 2012-04-07 01:07

      Vets also have registered vehicles/permits etc. and even they cannot be trusted - so what is the point here.....,? SANDF - Continue doing your job - the world is watching you assisting in trying to save our precious game before they are wiped out by little people who haven't discovered Pfizer yet!

  • charmaine.mcdonald2 - 2012-04-05 11:37

    Our soldiers are doing their duty. Too bad they had to take the wrong turn off. The law is the law and everyone has to be questioned in that area. Good job by the soldiers.

  • Jayson - 2012-04-05 12:02

    Im glad to see that the SANDF are doing there job to protect our beloved rhino's. But I mean really,,,did this guy and his wife seem such a threat to be deemed as poachers. Was there a dead rhino strapped to the roof of his car??? Sure,,, question them. But why hold them for hours.

      lytteot7 - 2012-04-05 12:23

      Do poachers have dead rhinos strapped to the roof of their cars?

      Thato - 2012-04-30 14:18

      and how do you tell a Rhino poacher from a tourist Jay?_ a hat, hiking shoes, a kind smile and willingness to produce an ID (could be fake)?_ obviously a poacher will do anything to get out of it. It's good to read that SANDF is patrolling the park with seriousness in their job... and remember soldiers are tranined a bit differently to police- they don't know of suspects they are trained to capture the subject and they don't question they INTERROGATE* besides 20km was a long way off the route- they should be happy they were not strip searched or shot at... I think the aim of this article was to inform tourists to be more careful...

  • Barefoot - 2012-04-05 12:04

    Just because they had guns doesn't mean you were held at gunpoint just a thought

      janetlamprecht - 2012-04-05 16:50

      This is family of mine and just to let u know,the soldiers pointed guns at them for hours. Oh...just a thought!

      Thato - 2012-04-30 14:22

      I hope its a lesson- stay on the route *just a thought*.... 20km off?- was that just a thought as well??? they are lucky and should be happy they were not shot at *just a thought*...

  • allister.keay - 2012-04-05 12:28

    Oh Brilliant, they have Tweedle dee and Tweedle dumb hunting poachers; they can't even tell difference between poachers and visitors. Poachers are folks with guns and visitors are folks with cameras.

      lytteot7 - 2012-04-05 12:54

      But poachers just don't go in to a park and start shooting at animals. They check possible dangers so they can plan their evil strategy and obviously when they go on a watching expedition they will try to look as ordinary as possible. They won't bring guns, they will bring a camera etc don't be narrow minded.

      kaMazibuko - 2012-04-05 13:37

      As an expert tell us how u differentiate between a poacher n a visitor. For all we know this couple was crearing a diversion for the poachers.These guys are fighting an intense battle with the poachers,

  • Jacqui - 2012-04-05 12:33

    What is there to be angry about?. They are doing a worthwhile job. Be glad you didn't run into the poachers. Now if they run in to the army, they don't need to be held for some hours, they can leave in a coffin.

  • John - 2012-04-05 12:39

    Yip something is happening, unfortunately they dont know the difference between possible poachers and ordinary citizens.

      Marion - 2012-04-05 13:01

      @John - and you do?

      Irene - 2012-04-05 22:48

      ORDINARY CITIZENS !!!ARE BEING PAID FOR INFORMATION OF LOCATIONS OF OUR RHINOS ..DUH..DIRTY GREEDY MONEY ..THEY DONT CARRY GUNS ,OR KNIVES.THEY PRETEND TO BE GOOD ORDINARY CITIZENS...DUH ...DUH...

      Keith - 2012-04-07 11:01

      Reds under the bed! These people were being held at gunpoint in an army camp, they could not have been informing poachers of the whereabouts of rhino, unless the army had all the rhino in camp!

  • skilliepieterse - 2012-04-05 12:51

    The SANDF will do nothing to stop the poaching, in fact what I have experienced from them is that they will do zilch as they are lazy and slovenly without any discipline. The RSA is much better of with all troops confined to their dirty barracks because most of them are just as corrupt as the regime cadres!

  • ArchAngel - 2012-04-05 13:23

    It is called the Defense F@rce as opposed to the Defense Force.

  • Believer - 2012-04-05 13:36

    Did you know that the teaching of Evolution is linked to racism? If you don't believe it, please know that the full title of Charles Darwin's book "On the Origin of Species" is, "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life" Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_Species Evolution is also the cornerstone for Communism and Nazism and the justification of such evils as genocide.

      Zing - 2012-04-05 15:45

      @Believer; One day when the lights get switched off on earth due to a major catastrophe, who will live? The guy in the Sandton apartment, or the guy foraging for his own food in the forest? (Note there's no reference to race here) You obviously don't understand what Darwin meant, and it's others like you who take it to the wrong extremes.

      bobby.mykonos - 2012-04-06 10:04

      Try using a scientific definition of the word 'Race'. You will see that in this context it is used to describe groups of animals and organisms, not humans. "An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals."

      Keith - 2012-04-06 17:59

      Whatever are you talking about? You could probably read racism in any statement anyone made. You are interpreting words in the way that you think the author meant, not in the way the author actually meant. I think it is a bit far fetched to blame Darwin for later evils. Are you sure he wasn't responsible for apartheid?

      Keith - 2012-04-07 11:03

      Oh yes, and the book is a guide to the extermination of whichever race you are not.

  • Brett - 2012-04-05 13:53

    Have these "soldiers" actually caught any poachers yet?

      dewalds3 - 2012-04-05 16:01

      Out of the 159 rhino's killed in RSA in first 3 months of 2012 - 95 killed in the park!

      Rebecca - 2012-04-06 08:12

      depends on when they were deployed there

  • cindy.vanvuuren1 - 2012-04-05 14:20

    Moet nie met jou 4x gaan rits waar jy nie hoort hoop dit leer jou 'n less!

  • Russell - 2012-04-05 15:38

    As much as I appreciate the eventual action by Government,overzealous,trigger-happy idiots (however transformed) are exploiting their mandate to push citizens around.Some sort of power trip involved here,no doubt.

      Irene - 2012-04-05 22:43

      GET A REAL LIFE BOYKY...

      Russell - 2012-04-10 11:09

      Irene, how did you reach that conclusion?Curious.

  • Alba - 2012-04-05 17:12

    This is my relatives!!!! They were terrified. And there was no reason to keep them at gun point as they did co-operate. Imagine you took the wrong turn and end up being held at gun point. Even if it was an unmarked road there is still no reason to use weapons and terrify innocent civilians.

      Irene - 2012-04-05 22:36

      STOP BEING HISTERICAL,SOLDIERS CARRY GUNS ,DUH.OF CAUSE THEY CO-OPERATED,THEY WERE IN THE WRONG PLACE AND GOT CAUGHT ..HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THEY WERE NOT SCOUTING THE AREA, TO FEED INFORMATION, TO THE GREEDY SCUM OUT THERE THAT ARE KILLING OUR RHINOS.INFORMANTS GET PAYED A LOT OF MONEY .!!DUH ..I DO NOT BELIEVE THEIR STORY ..THEY SHOULD BE GRATEFUL THAT THE SOLDIERS WERE THERE TO PROTECT OUR RHINOS ,INSTEAD OF CRYING AND BEING BABIES ABOUT IT .....

      cosmos.ndebele - 2012-04-05 23:49

      You ar trying to come & play PR or SPIN doctor for your relatives here. Look they were either in the wrong place or scouting for our RHINOS, Its simple as that NO mess for people playing around the park or acting suspicious.

      Keith - 2012-04-06 18:05

      Irene, be serious. What does it matter where the soldiers are camping. If they are doing their duty they shouldn't be in camp, they should be scouting for poachers.

      Keith - 2012-04-06 18:09

      Cosmos, this incident shows the attitudes now taken by all people in authority in South Africa. They are the LAW and they can do no wrong. You find this attitude in many Government offices, the public are always in the wrong.

  • Thisme - 2012-04-05 17:19

    This is a tourist spot where many overseas visitors spend time. Surely the Officer could see this couple had no weapons and were visitors to the park and had taken a wrong turn. He could have warned them but to arrest them and then act so arrogantly is not a good way to treat visitors, gives Kruger Park a bad name. The Officer would have know that they offered no threat as they allowed him to search the car etc. Catch the poachers not the tourist please!!

      justice.mpho1 - 2012-04-05 21:34

      Do you actually believe that poachers go around carrying ammunitions and necessary tools...dont you think for once that they know that rhino poaching is illegal...nevertheless i believe that anyone who knows that the evil deed he/she is doing is illegal would make sure that he/she tracks carefully and without trace...wrong turn my...that seems like the 'couple' were checking the next rhino to kill,

      seanpresherhughes_1 - 2012-04-06 15:09

      The vets did not have any weapons...... what's your point - Trust noone anymore!!!

  • Thisme - 2012-04-05 17:36

    This isnt a good way to treat visitors to the Park. We get many overseas tourists as well. Surely they could see this couple posed no threat to them as they had no weapons on them and were just out for a walk and willing to let the soldiers search their car etc. If you want tourist to visit Kruger, treat them with respect.

  • Glyn - 2012-04-05 20:25

    Sounds like the "rhino protection squad" are a little on the ARROGANT side! South African soldiers must be very careful in their dealings with the public. One day they will shoot somebody and it will be a national catastrophe!

  • Glyn - 2012-04-05 20:27

    Are these people anti-rhino poaching guys or anti-public guys? Did Lampies and Jacolien Lamprecht look like rhino poachers?

      justice.mpho1 - 2012-04-05 21:24

      What do rhino poachers look like?

      Irene - 2012-04-05 22:41

      WHAT DOES A RHINO POACHER LOOK LIKE,,????THESE PEOPLE COULD HAVE BEEN INFORMANTS ,THAT GET PAYED A LOT OF MONEY .FOR INFORMATION ..DUH..FOR THE LOCATION OF A RHINO ..DUH...

      Keith - 2012-04-06 18:16

      If I were to start poaching rhinos I would be driving around the park looking for rhino so that I could come back at night. I would not care where the army camps were. It is the soldiers themselves that I would try to avoid. If the army patrols from a fixed camp it will not stop much poaching, because the poachers will soon work out how they patrol.

      Brenda - 2012-04-06 19:54

      Who wears a badge proclaiming them to be connected to a rhino poaching syndicate?? Some of the most respected citizens are now being linked to these murderers of our sinless beasts--

  • wayne.holt2 - 2012-04-05 20:50

    Far too many people in South Africa think they are above any laws, there is no way you just turn onto an unmarked road and ride for 20km by accident hope these people got a big fright. Should have been fined too. As South African we are always victims but you just have to drive on our roads and see how many people break the law on a daily basis.

  • 4man1 - 2012-04-05 21:16

    I have done many roadblocks as a soldier. Where was the Officer and where were the senior NCO's? I have had my fair share of abuse too from people who felt we shouldn't be stopping them. Attitudes on both sides are of prime importance in these situations. If the car was clear regardless of ID the couple should have been released immediately the Kruger Park after all is a public place and if a road is unmarked or unblocked the public might drive down it. The Brigadier has taken the correct steps.

  • hein.huyser - 2012-04-05 21:38

    Oh such highly trained cadres we have lately. Obviously this couple made a mistake, but to act as if I'm the law is typical of an untrained gun toting imbicile I hope a civil case will come of this, becaise tomorrow these thugs are patroling your streets with the same attitude arresting everyone but the criminals

  • Irene - 2012-04-05 22:13

    the soldiers were doing their job ..motto.. TRUST NO ONE.....

      Keith - 2012-04-07 11:11

      At the least the soldiers were overzealous. As for them doing their job, I'm not too sure; were they not supposed to be searching for poachers? They would have been more useful if they knew where the rhinos were so that they could protect them, and they wouldn't know that if they stayed in camp to capture tourists.

  • Ken - 2012-04-05 23:36

    Mmmmmmm..........we are to be taking seriouly,now that sounds promising

  • Sello - 2012-04-05 23:42

    He overheard and understood the officer when he spoke in Tswana? Ok, I see, so there's a white South African out there who understands any African language! Interesting!

      seanpresherhughes_1 - 2012-04-06 15:14

      Where did you learn to speak English?

      Melania - 2012-04-06 21:32

      Yes Sello its possible. I speak some Northern sotho and some zulu. It was subjects in school during the 80s. Ask any white person. My dad has a degree in african languages and social studies. He studied those in the 70s.

  • Peter - 2012-04-05 23:42

    LOL! By why capture tourists? How about going after the poachers instead?

      Rebecca - 2012-04-06 08:03

      what if they were poachers, what with vets and game-farm owners being involved in poaching these days...

  • Mart - 2012-04-06 01:59

    Africa is not for sissies. OK SANDF....sights down....I want at least 20 dead poachers in the next 10 days. Night ambushes, roving O P's and being in a no fly zone, you are at liberty to knock out aircraft too. To visitors to the park, safety first or stay at home until we've killed all the poachers. Mr Poacher, if you're getting this message, fear for your life, and coming soon.... because when we know who you are and where you're from, your children and grandchildren will be punished for your crimes too, have fear for them because it's of your doing.

      Hadebe - 2012-04-06 17:46

      Tell them broer! I see 1 thumb down, and it looks like a poachers thumb, i think we should set an example on this one

  • robert.h.thwaites - 2012-04-06 07:38

    The soldier said I am the law. Yes the soldier is indeed the law in the area where they operate. They have been given a command and they are carrying it out. It can be a small problem given that the worst and the best soldiers are known for their people interacting skills.